Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 836074

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Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments

Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on June 23, 2008, at 16:11:29

I wrote about this in a post above but the subject line was different, so I don't think many read it. Here is my post with a few little changes in it:
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(This is all YMMV, IMHO, etc...)

First..I state this a few times...but this mostly applies to males.

I've had sexual side-effect difficulties for almost 15 years or so of my SSRI/SNRI use. Mostly in the second half of that time period, though. What works and what is just a waste of money, well that does vary between people, and between men and women. The first ones below listed are the ones claimed by doctors and many to be "the best" treatment. I say this is not quite true, and again, in particular in the "male" department. Below them, I've listed some of the leading-edge, top-of-the-line treatments available, some which many may not of heard of.

But first, these are the ones you hear most often 'recommended' with research that goes back 10-15 years but still doesn't seem to have much worthiness.

1) Wellbutrin (for many cases anyways.) Women seem to have a better response from this med.

2)Viagra...does not work on sexual feeling or the 'drive'. I've tried 'em all..Cialis, etc

3) Periactin (generic Cyproheptadine) Absolutely nothing.

4)Stimulants (Ritalin, Dexedrine.) While Dexedrine was a great drug for me, it still did nothing in the libido dept. Ritalin, no go either.

5)Requip and Mirapex: I've tried every dose and way on these drugs, with no go.

Here are a couple of things that "may" work, out of them all. Now this is from some referenced studies, and case examples as well as my own subjective (bias..heh) experience.
I don't have the references off hand, but you can find the info on line quite easily.

1) Apomorphine:(p.s. has NOTHING to do with the drug morphine) will work about 99.9 percent of the time. It's a med not marketed in N. America, but it is in Europe. If you have the cash, you can import it from Europe. It's of course a very expensive (even moreso then Vigara) drug because it pretty much guarantees a male will have an erection after taking the drug. Again, though, cost and ability to get in N. America are difficult factors.

2)Dostinex: (generic Cabergoline) Is a prolactin inhibitor. This med will not only improve libido, it will make you lose weight. (Mostly if you are overweight, especially from many psych meds that increase prolactin levels.) It only has to be taken usually once a week. It is very expensive as well. There are some concerns around long term use and the med causing leaky heart valves. So there may be a bit of a risk, but I have chosen to take the medication in 8 doses. (2 months)

3) Testosterone (Gel or Patch). This one is a little 'iffy', as I have been on the highest dose for two months, and just a 'tiny' change in my libido. My testosterone levels are still coming back low from the lab. I am at about a 12, which is in the lower end of the scale, as between 20-30 are optimal levels (I don't know what that is measured in.) There is yet ANOTHER drug that can help, and it is called Arimidex (generic name is anastrozole). Now, it is officially labeled as a drug for cancer patients, but is used 'off-label' for men with low testosterone combined with the testosterone gel, as it quite quickly increases testosterone levels, and reduces harmful estrogen levels in men. (Yes, us men do have Estrogen too:)
You don't want TOO much testosterone, though,as that can be dangerous in men too. So, do this under a doctor's care if you can, or just be cautious.

4)This is a REALLY 'iffy' experience, and not a lot of data to back it up, but Serzone (nefadizone) has helped myself with sexual stimulation. (i.e. esp. around a girlfriend or admiring the ladies..:)

Well, that is all of my latest research. Yes, I've been VERY desperate, and that is why I've gone to the edge and back to find what REALLY works, with some scientific data backup. I'll know, hopefully, in a few weeks if Dostinex goes well. I will post about my experience.

Best wishes,
Jay


 

Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments Jay_Bravest_Face

Posted by Molybdenum on June 23, 2008, at 23:18:25

In reply to Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on June 23, 2008, at 16:11:29

Dear Jay_Bravest_Face,

I'm sorry but I think I'm going to have to report this post to the administrators.

It made me feel VERY uncomfortable. I think it was also quite "uncivil" of you.

You really shouldn't have used the terms "sexual" and "cutting edge" in the same sentence! Just reading it made my pecker do the tortoise-head thing. It wasn't that long to begin with. Maybe it'll never come out again..!

Thanks A Lot..!

;)

 

Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatm Jay_Bravest_Face

Posted by Iansf on June 25, 2008, at 0:37:40

In reply to Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on June 23, 2008, at 16:11:29

I've had some success with amantadine, 100mg/d, to counter the negative sexual effects of Prozac. It took about two weeks to become apparent, and it's not 100% effective; but it has helped, particularly with libido and sensation, less so with rigidity. I tried 100mg/2xd, but it made me jittery.

Ian

 

Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments Molybdenum

Posted by okydoky on June 25, 2008, at 10:47:17

In reply to Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Molybdenum on June 23, 2008, at 23:18:25

> Dear Jay_Bravest_Face,
>
> I'm sorry but I think I'm going to have to report this post to the administrators.
>
> It made me feel VERY uncomfortable. I think it was also quite "uncivil" of you.
>
> You really shouldn't have used the terms "sexual" and "cutting edge" in the same sentence! Just reading it made my p*ck*r do the tortoise-head thing. It wasn't that long to begin with. Maybe it'll never come out again..!
>
> Thanks A Lot..!
>
> ;)


Thanks for giving me a good laugh. Laughed for two days now. You are not only very knowledgeable and intelligent but have a great sense of humor.

oky

 

Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments

Posted by Molybdenum on June 25, 2008, at 17:59:08

In reply to Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments Molybdenum, posted by okydoky on June 25, 2008, at 10:47:17


> Thanks for giving me a good laugh. Laughed for two days now. You are not only very knowledgeable and intelligent but have a great sense of humor.
>
> oky
>
>

You're very kind Oky, if I could only work out how to include such complements from "Psycho-Babble" members in my resume.... Hmmm..... ;)

 

Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments Molybdenum

Posted by okydoky on June 26, 2008, at 10:22:43

In reply to Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments, posted by Molybdenum on June 25, 2008, at 17:59:08

Well let us know what type of job you are applying for. I am sure there are several people, including perhaps yourself, who are very capable of manipulating words and ideas to fit a certain nitch or forum! I think we would all be amazed at what people put on their resumes, at least yours would be "honest".

Keep having fun and sharing it. I am one, who appreciates it immensely,

Oky

By the way I was in a slapstick mood the other day and wrote the following. Not sure if it turned into a bunch of nonsense though. Fixed it up a bit, quotes got lost and definitions. Might just be I get so depressed odd stuff makes me laugh? What do you think? Funny or just quite off the wall? I wont take offence.

Here is the original thread:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20080617/msgs/836133.html

This is with a few of the needed fixes:


Some tongue and cheek now.
If we're going to try and prescribe for a compilation of diseases ( well who would not prefer to take less medication, hell the drug companies are doing it with "Cauduet" and others and wow now one can take "boniva" once a month instead of, for God's sake, having to take a pill once a day or week. It seems the newest selling ploys are two in ones and once a years [http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/69451.php])
Anyway the following is my personal compilation:
1. Arthritis pain (in the neck literally) see 5*

2. Interstitial cystitis (I cannot "stress" strongly enough the "urgency" of this particular "pain")

3. trd (In layman's terms: The act of being a "Sloth" [deadly sinner] or "slothful": see 8*)
Sloth is defined as spiritual and/or actual apathy or laziness, putting off what God asks you to do, or not doing it or anything at all. Acedia is a Latin word, from Greek akedia, literally meaning "absence of caring". Acedia can also lead to God's wrath.
Sloth can also concern wasting due to lack of use or allowing entropy, expanding into almost any person, place, thing, skills, or intangible ideal that would require maintenance, refinement and/or support to continue to exist. From Wikipedia

4. eating disorder (A disease that either "feeds" on itself or has one running on "empty")

5. pain in the *ss disease( Still an orphan disease but no doubt pharmaceutical companies are working diligently to come up with a cure. Physicians often prescribe off label for this ailment because of its "die hard" complication, most especially when family lean heavily on the physician or if the treating physician is therapy "Aversive" Aversives are unpleasant stimuli which induce changes in behavior through punishment see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversives

6. Stop the world I want to get off syndrome (a dizzying cluster of symptoms)
7. Why was I born dilemma

(sometimes prematurely diagnosed) (see 8*)

8. Is there a God (the disease with an absent modality, lacks definable symptoms and is often "preexisting")

All in good humor and perhaps a bit of nonsense,

oky

 

Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatm

Posted by aaaaalex on June 27, 2008, at 22:33:49

In reply to Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatments, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on June 23, 2008, at 16:11:29

"2)Dostinex: (generic Cabergoline) Is a prolactin inhibitor. This med will not only improve libido, it will make you lose weight. (Mostly if you are overweight, especially from many psych meds that increase prolactin levels.) It only has to be taken usually once a week. It is very expensive as well. There are some concerns around long term use and the med causing leaky heart valves."

Yipe! Also some concerns with inhibiting neurogenesis. I tried a dose of it once (admittedly perhaps not enough of a chance), and found that it did nothing for my sex drive or ability (if anything, it decreased it). It also made me feel very odd indeed.

After some research, I've come to the conclusion that the biopsychiatry.org camp isn't really correct about the central role of dopamine - increasing dopamine levels doesn't necessarily make you feel more pleasure or drive, just like increasing serotonin levels doesn't necessarily make you feel happy. Neurotransmitters just aren't that simple, and we're all wired differently to boot.

 

Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatm

Posted by WickedGirl on June 30, 2008, at 18:54:13

In reply to Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatm, posted by aaaaalex on June 27, 2008, at 22:33:49

aaaaalex, you are so correct. I feel blue, but every time I take an anti-depressant prescribed by the doc, I feel suicidal. Not an improvement, so I don't think increasing Serotonin is right for me. Also, I think my migraines come on when I have an increase in Serotonin, because if I take Adderall daily, I get zero migraines. I think this is relevant, because I am guessing the Adderall suppresses/depresses my Serotonin. I believe this because the longer I take Adderall, the more depressed I get. It is a slow and gradual descent, whereas taking an SSRI or SNRI is an immediate slide over the edge of a cliff. So, if I could just find something that worked the way Adderall does for my first two days of taking it, I would be set. Ack!

 

Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatm aaaaalex

Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on July 7, 2008, at 15:43:11

In reply to Re: Sexual Side-effects..*new* cutting-edge treatm, posted by aaaaalex on June 27, 2008, at 22:33:49

> "2)Dostinex: (generic Cabergoline) Is a prolactin inhibitor. This med will not only improve libido, it will make you lose weight. (Mostly if you are overweight, especially from many psych meds that increase prolactin levels.) It only has to be taken usually once a week. It is very expensive as well. There are some concerns around long term use and the med causing leaky heart valves."
>
> Yipe! Also some concerns with inhibiting neurogenesis. I tried a dose of it once (admittedly perhaps not enough of a chance), and found that it did nothing for my sex drive or ability (if anything, it decreased it). It also made me feel very odd indeed.
>
> After some research, I've come to the conclusion that the biopsychiatry.org camp isn't really correct about the central role of dopamine - increasing dopamine levels doesn't necessarily make you feel more pleasure or drive, just like increasing serotonin levels doesn't necessarily make you feel happy. Neurotransmitters just aren't that simple, and we're all wired differently to boot.


Yeah, it actually likely works best for those who a)have been on antipsychotics for a long time and b)possibly have low testosterone levels. The antipsychotics (many of them..not all) increase prolactin, which increases weight in men, increases anxiety, and also decreases sex drive.
I didn't get my research from biopsychiatry.org(or whatever it is), which, yes, does overplay the role of dopamine quite often. The idea with low testosterone, as explained by my endo, is that many men on psychiatric meds, in particular SSRI's and antipsychotics, develop low levels of testosterone. Like, with me, the "average" scale runs from something like 11-30 (of what measurement I don't know) When I first got tested, I was at *4*!!! I was barely producing any testosterone! The link here is that they have found elevated estrogen levels in men (yes, men have estrogen too, like ladies have testosterone) with low testosterone. Decreasing prolactin helps put all of the chemicals back in their place. That is why just testosterone supplementation doesn't work for some men.(Me included.)
Oh ya, and it takes a couple of weeks use of Dostinex to see *anything* just slightly change.

YMMV, etc...
Jay


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