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SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Henry Miller on May 26, 2008, at 17:24:11

I have Obsessive Compulsive ADHD which, largely as a result of being untreated for twenty some odd years, has manifested itself into an amalgam of psychological conditions: the most prominent ones being Social Phobia, agoraphobia, OCD, Body Dysmorphobic disorder, perfectionism, both cerebral and somatic narcissism and as of late, major depression. I've trialled over 40 medications, none of which really worked....until I stumbled across Desoxyn (methamphetamine hydrochloride).

-->Beginning last June I began: 5 mg Desoxyn 2x daily. This medication, although nearly impossible to get prescribed, is wonderful. I could never tolerate stims such as Adderall, Ritilin or Dexedrine..but with Desoxyn, there have been no side effects such as increased anxiety/ agitation. In fact, I am much more calm and sleep peacefully on Desoxyn (8 hours consistently). It's unfortunate that methamphetamine has earned such a negative reputation in our society as the medication can truly be therapeutic. NOTE: I've been on 10mg/ day for over a year now and have had no desire to abuse Desoxyn or other illegal drugs.
ADHD: 80% cured
Social Anxiety: 50% cured
Depression: 90% cured
OCD: 50% cured

-->2 weeks after beginning Desoxyn, I added a 1 mg Klonopin Wafer(.5mg am, .5mg pm)
ADHD: 60% cured (some cognitive
impairment)
Social Anxiety: 70% cured
Depression: 70% cured (Klonopin made
depression worse
OCD: 70% cured
Klonopin is great for social anxiety but seems to exacerbate my depression and dulls my memory.

-->Thus 1 month later, I added 25 mg Zoloft
ADHD: 90% cured
Social Anxiety: 95% cured
Depression: 100% cured
OCD: 95% cured
Zoloft in this low-dose has been ineffective in past trials but now appears to synergize with the Desoxyn, providing substantial relief for my OCD, Social Anxiety, and Depression, as well as boosting my cognition, surprisingly.

-->As an experiment, I added 75mg Wellbutrin 1x daily.
AHHD: 100% cured
Social Anxiety: 100% cured
Depression: 110% cured
OCD: 100% cured.
Wellbutrin seemed to supercharge the meds I was on , providing complete relief...and I mean...COMPLETE 100% relief.

Current MED Summary:
10 mg Desoxyn
1 mg Klonopin Wafer
25 mg Zoloft(5 htp also worked but not as well)
75 mg Wellbutrin (L-Phenylalanine worked but not to the same degree as Well)

I've had ZERO side effects from this regiment apart from some slight dry mouth. I've had no tolerance issues(though you could supplement with Namenda to reduce amphetamine tolerance if you have this problem--Namenda is a totally safe drug but I think vigorous exercise is more effective).

I consistently sleep 8 hours a day, run 5 miles or so in the morning and lift weights in the evening, eat a Gluten/Lactose/Casein free diet full of vegetables: I have Celiac's Disease. I also take a Multi Vitamin, Omega 3 and a choline supplement.

I'm in the best shape of my life. My libido is like that of a 15 year old.

My creativity has skyrocketed as have both my cognition and memory.

More importantly, I've been able to move out of my parents home, get a job, get a girl friend, and start making my own money. This is HUGE for me!

All the meds I take are crucial for relieving my symptoms 100% but Desoxyn is, by far, the most responsible for my drastic improvement over the past year. I can't recommend this medication enough to people suffering from social anxiety: which is really just a byproduct of undiagnosed ADHD in my opinion.

HOPE THIS HELPS!! Henry

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Sky Brite Line on May 26, 2008, at 22:26:55

In reply to SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 26, 2008, at 17:24:11

This medication is very controlled. Desosyn and is really rarely talked about here, it is rarely ever used. Only "old" psychiatirists prescibe this medication.

Never, this medication is way to addicting. Just the fact i know what it is chemically.

Your very lucky for any doctor giving this to you.

Sky Line

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% » Henry Miller

Posted by Phillipa on May 26, 2008, at 23:39:02

In reply to SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 26, 2008, at 17:24:11

Hey that's wonderful was wondering if you have any links that back up the anxiety is really add? Just wondering Phillipa

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% » Henry Miller

Posted by Phillipa on May 26, 2008, at 23:39:57

In reply to SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 26, 2008, at 17:24:11

Oh I also see you new and wish to welcome you to babble. Love Phillipa

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Henry Miller on May 27, 2008, at 10:24:53

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Sky Brite Line on May 26, 2008, at 22:26:55

Actually, my psychiatrist is quite young...in his early 40's. He's cutting edge, written a slew of books on ADHD/bipolar and lectures at Stanford University so I trust him. Desoxyn is in fact, as a result of being tamer on the peripheral nervous system, safer than Adderall(d-and l-amphetamines) and Dexedrine(pure d-amphetamine) for long term use. I find that I have no desire to abuse this med as anything over 10mg leads to an anxious feeling in my lower gut.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Henry Miller on May 27, 2008, at 11:11:20

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% » Henry Miller, posted by Phillipa on May 26, 2008, at 23:39:02

Philipa, I don't have any links but my doctor, who is an ADHD specialist and professor at Stanford, seems to believe that the root cause of most social anxiety stems from an underlying attention deficit conditon. Particularly if you're suffering from an overfocused type of adhd.

Many people with social anxiety are perfectionists, typically highly intelligent and analytical and care deeply about others and especially about how others perceive them. Perfectionism, I believe, is the bridge between ADHD and social anxiety. For ex. Someone says something about your physical appearance. Your ADHD kicks in and you hyperfocus/obsess about what that person said to you. You are unable to let go of it. The next time you are out in public, you're obsessing about what that person said and then someone says something else..perhaps about your face going red....the cycle continues and the neural networks of self-defeat become more entangled with negative thinking. A person with ADHD overfocused(which is really just ADHD co morbid OCD) can never let go of what they perceive as negative criticisms...they constantly worry and in an effort to control their worries and what they perceive as a painful environment, perfectionism ensues...and 15 to 20 years later, they have severe social anxiety and agoraphobia and depression etc....

My doc believes that 90% of people with ADHD go untreated into adulthoold and only show up in his office later for treatment of secondary issues such as anxiety and depression and unfortunatley..the adhd may have metastasized into bipolar if left untreated for too long. As children, they were never diagnosed with ADHD because most overfocused types with social anxiety are highly intelligent. I received straight A's in school so why would anyone give me a stimulant for ADHD?? right?(It didn't matter that I would randomly get up in front of class as a kid and pull my pants down while my teachers were writing on the chalk board yet when my teachers would call on me, I could never speak, out of fear that I might sound stupid or blush)Phillipa, there's clearly a great deal that the medical community doesn't understand about all these disorders but I believe, as does my psychiatrist, that ADHD, social anxiety and even some forms of bipolar depression run together. I DO think that stimulant medications can be very effective treatment for some forms of social anxiety(which seems paradoxical) and that Desoxyn is the superior med. I'm actually weaning off my Klonopin b/c I no longer need it to control peripheral anxiety(the irritable, shaky anxiety that Adderall and Ritilin and Dex caused).

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2008, at 12:43:25

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 27, 2008, at 11:11:20

> Philipa, I don't have any links but my doctor, who is an ADHD specialist and professor at Stanford, seems to believe that the root cause of most social anxiety stems from an underlying attention deficit conditon. Particularly if you're suffering from an overfocused type of adhd.
>
> Many people with social anxiety are perfectionists, typically highly intelligent and analytical and care deeply about others and especially about how others perceive them. Perfectionism, I believe, is the bridge between ADHD and social anxiety. For ex. Someone says something about your physical appearance. Your ADHD kicks in and you hyperfocus/obsess about what that person said to you. You are unable to let go of it. The next time you are out in public, you're obsessing about what that person said and then someone says something else..perhaps about your face going red....the cycle continues and the neural networks of self-defeat become more entangled with negative thinking. A person with ADHD overfocused(which is really just ADHD co morbid OCD) can never let go of what they perceive as negative criticisms...they constantly worry and in an effort to control their worries and what they perceive as a painful environment, perfectionism ensues...and 15 to 20 years later, they have severe social anxiety and agoraphobia and depression etc....
>
> My doc believes that 90% of people with ADHD go untreated into adulthoold and only show up in his office later for treatment of secondary issues such as anxiety and depression and unfortunatley..the adhd may have metastasized into bipolar if left untreated for too long. As children, they were never diagnosed with ADHD because most overfocused types with social anxiety are highly intelligent. I received straight A's in school so why would anyone give me a stimulant for ADHD?? right?(It didn't matter that I would randomly get up in front of class as a kid and pull my pants down while my teachers were writing on the chalk board yet when my teachers would call on me, I could never speak, out of fear that I might sound stupid or blush)Phillipa, there's clearly a great deal that the medical community doesn't understand about all these disorders but I believe, as does my psychiatrist, that ADHD, social anxiety and even some forms of bipolar depression run together. I DO think that stimulant medications can be very effective treatment for some forms of social anxiety(which seems paradoxical) and that Desoxyn is the superior med. I'm actually weaning off my Klonopin b/c I no longer need it to control peripheral anxiety(the irritable, shaky anxiety that Adderall and Ritilin and Dex caused).
>
>

If this information is actually valid as concerns adhd and social anxiety/phobias than I know understand my downhill spiral. My adhd was not diagnosed until i was in my forties and all the stims pooped out on me so I was never treated for the condition.
You scenario rings so true. Once while having a paper crtiqued in a very embarressing way in high school my face turned beet red and I was aware of hyperfocusing on that. From that day onward I would have panic attacks/social phobia whenever I would speak before people. Of course some people would make fun of my red face or mention it until I became so focucsed on it I would have blushing attacks just speaking to one or two persons.
Almost any situation where there was a negative response would invoke intense inward hyperfocusing that would than always repeat with the same response in the future.
So in fact the adhd might be the driving force behind my anxiety and chronic depression and obsessive tendencies.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2008, at 15:30:00

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2008, at 12:43:25

> > Philipa, I don't have any links but my doctor, who is an ADHD specialist and professor at Stanford, seems to believe that the root cause of most social anxiety stems from an underlying attention deficit conditon. Particularly if you're suffering from an overfocused type of adhd.
> >
> > Many people with social anxiety are perfectionists, typically highly intelligent and analytical and care deeply about others and especially about how others perceive them. Perfectionism, I believe, is the bridge between ADHD and social anxiety. For ex. Someone says something about your physical appearance. Your ADHD kicks in and you hyperfocus/obsess about what that person said to you. You are unable to let go of it. The next time you are out in public, you're obsessing about what that person said and then someone says something else..perhaps about your face going red....the cycle continues and the neural networks of self-defeat become more entangled with negative thinking. A person with ADHD overfocused(which is really just ADHD co morbid OCD) can never let go of what they perceive as negative criticisms...they constantly worry and in an effort to control their worries and what they perceive as a painful environment, perfectionism ensues...and 15 to 20 years later, they have severe social anxiety and agoraphobia and depression etc....
> >
> > My doc believes that 90% of people with ADHD go untreated into adulthoold and only show up in his office later for treatment of secondary issues such as anxiety and depression and unfortunatley..the adhd may have metastasized into bipolar if left untreated for too long. As children, they were never diagnosed with ADHD because most overfocused types with social anxiety are highly intelligent. I received straight A's in school so why would anyone give me a stimulant for ADHD?? right?(It didn't matter that I would randomly get up in front of class as a kid and pull my pants down while my teachers were writing on the chalk board yet when my teachers would call on me, I could never speak, out of fear that I might sound stupid or blush)Phillipa, there's clearly a great deal that the medical community doesn't understand about all these disorders but I believe, as does my psychiatrist, that ADHD, social anxiety and even some forms of bipolar depression run together. I DO think that stimulant medications can be very effective treatment for some forms of social anxiety(which seems paradoxical) and that Desoxyn is the superior med. I'm actually weaning off my Klonopin b/c I no longer need it to control peripheral anxiety(the irritable, shaky anxiety that Adderall and Ritilin and Dex caused).
> >
> >
>
> If this information is actually valid as concerns adhd and social anxiety/phobias than I know understand my downhill spiral. My adhd was not diagnosed until i was in my forties and all the stims pooped out on me so I was never treated for the condition.
> You scenario rings so true. Once while having a paper crtiqued in a very embarressing way in high school my face turned beet red and I was aware of hyperfocusing on that. From that day onward I would have panic attacks/social phobia whenever I would speak before people. Of course some people would make fun of my red face or mention it until I became so focucsed on it I would have blushing attacks just speaking to one or two persons.
> Almost any situation where there was a negative response would invoke intense inward hyperfocusing that would than always repeat with the same response in the future.
> So in fact the adhd might be the driving force behind my anxiety and chronic depression and obsessive tendencies.

If I remember the sequence of events correctly the first manisfistation of my add was hypofocus. I could only pay attention for short periods of time before my mind wandered to another topic of interest. Because my mind couldn't stay with a topic long enough I began to make mistakes in my judgement.I did daredevil things that injured me, spoke out in class as the teacher spoke and just got myself into trouble. So I no longer trusted my mind to do the right thing and had to develope hyperfocus as another component of my mind to oversee everything and was in a constant state of vigilance to protect myself from myself. Once one becomes hypervigilant you are no longer a spontaneous person and all the problems mentioned above begin to emerge. However if you begin treatment in adulthood and present multilple symptoms the p-doc is often at a loss of where to start.
I believe in many cases you have to treat add as the root cause and treat that first and than move upward and see how things have unfolded.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2008, at 15:30:23

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2008, at 12:43:25

> > Philipa, I don't have any links but my doctor, who is an ADHD specialist and professor at Stanford, seems to believe that the root cause of most social anxiety stems from an underlying attention deficit conditon. Particularly if you're suffering from an overfocused type of adhd.
> >
> > Many people with social anxiety are perfectionists, typically highly intelligent and analytical and care deeply about others and especially about how others perceive them. Perfectionism, I believe, is the bridge between ADHD and social anxiety. For ex. Someone says something about your physical appearance. Your ADHD kicks in and you hyperfocus/obsess about what that person said to you. You are unable to let go of it. The next time you are out in public, you're obsessing about what that person said and then someone says something else..perhaps about your face going red....the cycle continues and the neural networks of self-defeat become more entangled with negative thinking. A person with ADHD overfocused(which is really just ADHD co morbid OCD) can never let go of what they perceive as negative criticisms...they constantly worry and in an effort to control their worries and what they perceive as a painful environment, perfectionism ensues...and 15 to 20 years later, they have severe social anxiety and agoraphobia and depression etc....
> >
> > My doc believes that 90% of people with ADHD go untreated into adulthoold and only show up in his office later for treatment of secondary issues such as anxiety and depression and unfortunatley..the adhd may have metastasized into bipolar if left untreated for too long. As children, they were never diagnosed with ADHD because most overfocused types with social anxiety are highly intelligent. I received straight A's in school so why would anyone give me a stimulant for ADHD?? right?(It didn't matter that I would randomly get up in front of class as a kid and pull my pants down while my teachers were writing on the chalk board yet when my teachers would call on me, I could never speak, out of fear that I might sound stupid or blush)Phillipa, there's clearly a great deal that the medical community doesn't understand about all these disorders but I believe, as does my psychiatrist, that ADHD, social anxiety and even some forms of bipolar depression run together. I DO think that stimulant medications can be very effective treatment for some forms of social anxiety(which seems paradoxical) and that Desoxyn is the superior med. I'm actually weaning off my Klonopin b/c I no longer need it to control peripheral anxiety(the irritable, shaky anxiety that Adderall and Ritilin and Dex caused).
> >
> >
>
> If this information is actually valid as concerns adhd and social anxiety/phobias than I know understand my downhill spiral. My adhd was not diagnosed until i was in my forties and all the stims pooped out on me so I was never treated for the condition.
> You scenario rings so true. Once while having a paper crtiqued in a very embarressing way in high school my face turned beet red and I was aware of hyperfocusing on that. From that day onward I would have panic attacks/social phobia whenever I would speak before people. Of course some people would make fun of my red face or mention it until I became so focucsed on it I would have blushing attacks just speaking to one or two persons.
> Almost any situation where there was a negative response would invoke intense inward hyperfocusing that would than always repeat with the same response in the future.
> So in fact the adhd might be the driving force behind my anxiety and chronic depression and obsessive tendencies.

If I remember the sequence of events correctly the first manisfistation of my add was hypofocus. I could only pay attention for short periods of time before my mind wandered to another topic of interest. Because my mind couldn't stay with a topic long enough I began to make mistakes in my judgement.I did daredevil things that injured me, spoke out in class as the teacher spoke and just got myself into trouble. So I no longer trusted my mind to do the right thing and had to develope hyperfocus as another component of my mind to oversee everything and was in a constant state of vigilance to protect myself from myself. Once one becomes hypervigilant you are no longer a spontaneous person and all the problems mentioned above begin to emerge. However if you begin treatment in adulthood and present multilple symptoms the p-doc is often at a loss of where to start.
I believe in many cases you have to treat add as the root cause and treat that first and than move upward and see how things have unfolded.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Henry Miller on May 27, 2008, at 18:06:49

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2008, at 15:30:23

Bulldog, thanks for sharing your story. Have you ever tried adding Namenda(an NDMA antagonist) to block stimulant poop out? It's supposed to provide some relief for OCD as well. You should also supplement with n-acetylcysteine and high doses of Magnesium to slow amphetamine tolerance and attenuate amphetamine neurotoxicity. Also taking some phenylalanine and tryosine after poop out can be of benefit as they sort of reboot your dopamine. However, I've found Wellbutrin to be the best remedy for stim tolerance. Not only does it help the stimulant work longer(dopamine reputake + dopamine agonist, thus enabling you to lower your stim dose) but it smoothes out the highs and lows of the stim (although Desoxyn is relatively stable and I simply take the Wellbutrin now for it's potentiating effects).

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2008, at 18:43:34

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 27, 2008, at 18:06:49

> Bulldog, thanks for sharing your story. Have you ever tried adding Namenda(an NDMA antagonist) to block stimulant poop out? It's supposed to provide some relief for OCD as well. You should also supplement with n-acetylcysteine and high doses of Magnesium to slow amphetamine tolerance and attenuate amphetamine neurotoxicity. Also taking some phenylalanine and tryosine after poop out can be of benefit as they sort of reboot your dopamine. However, I've found Wellbutrin to be the best remedy for stim tolerance. Not only does it help the stimulant work longer(dopamine reputake + dopamine agonist, thus enabling you to lower your stim dose) but it smoothes out the highs and lows of the stim (although Desoxyn is relatively stable and I simply take the Wellbutrin now for it's potentiating effects).

Yes i've been taking magnesium every day. I also started memantine at 2.5 mg because at 5 mg was very stimulating. Once I build the memantine up to 10 mg will probably try vyvanse.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Phillipa on May 27, 2008, at 20:07:09

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2008, at 18:43:34

I was always very laid back and sometimes decided to get straight A's and other times didn't care so don't think I have Add. Just anxiety. Phillipa

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Sky Brite Line on May 27, 2008, at 23:05:32

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Phillipa on May 27, 2008, at 20:07:09

I have been on everything, everything in the freaking world. Provigil, Wellbutrin, god....

But i have never been on desoxyn. Because mainly my old pdoc would never bring it up, and 2nd i said cylert, and many other ones right when i said "desoxyn" with others, he said "no" right when i said it.

This new doctor, omg its like a joke.

Oh well, im going to go count sheep while he takes me off all benzodiapines.

:)

 

Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this worked. (nm)

Posted by cumulative on May 28, 2008, at 0:01:59

In reply to SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 26, 2008, at 17:24:11

 

Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work

Posted by streetsk8er794 on June 9, 2008, at 8:45:39

In reply to Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this worked. (nm), posted by cumulative on May 28, 2008, at 0:01:59

Yes. I also have ADHD, OCD, and Social Anxiety; not to mention suicidal thoughts. I have not been able to get a girlfriends because of my intense fear and lack of self-esteem, have had big legal issues from drug abuse, and just plain hate life.
I'm currently on 2mg klonopin per day, and 100 mg vyvanse. The vyvanse seems to help with my mood, but makes my OCD worse. And the klonopin makes my depression and creativity worse. I'm on the brink and dont know what to do....Maybe I will try the exact meds you are on.

 

Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work

Posted by Henry Miller on June 10, 2008, at 0:56:40

In reply to Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work, posted by streetsk8er794 on June 9, 2008, at 8:45:39

Skeet....the key is to keep the doses really really low(no more than 10mg/day of Desoxyn). Don't rush this regiment. It may take a year to tweak it to perfection. You're dosing will obviously be different than mine. Stimulants also make my OCD worse and can lead to suicidal depression(this happens to me when the dose gets too high and I don't exercise) which is why I augment with Liquid Zoloft(zero side effects from liquid vs tons of SE from pill form) and Wellbutrin (they sort of act as a buffer for me). Desoxyn has mild serotoninergic effects and synergizes nicely with an SSRI(dependent on how your body reacts to drugs, be somewhat weary of seratonin syndrome--although I've never experienced it). I find that a 4 mile run in the morning reduces the stimulant induced OCD significantly. You must exercise...especially if you're depressed. Don't bother adding the Wellbutrin until you've stabilized on the other meds. Wellbutrin may be overkill. Overall, be careful with this regiment if you have a tendency towards mania. These drugs will shoot you into a cloud of euphoria if you are in the bipolar spectrum. I failed to mention in my original post that I also take Lithium Orotate--the key ingredient that makes everything work...amazing stuff and all that's needed to keep me stable. Just ask if you have any more specific questions. Also, I have to say it, but no drug will work properly if you're not eating healthy. Lots of water. Lots of fiber. High protein. No junk food. And a healthy GI tract is extrememly important for social phobics. Make sure you are having regular bowel movements. Have you been examined for Celiac's Disease? For ex, I have celiac's and can't tolerate any medication with lactose or gluten in it's ingredients without taking digestive enzymes.

 

Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work

Posted by Henry Miller on June 10, 2008, at 1:23:07

In reply to Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work, posted by Henry Miller on June 10, 2008, at 0:56:40

And Street...I forgot to say it but hang in there buddy. Does your depression stem from a sense of hopelessness about your social anxiety and not knowing how to treat it or how to get help? I felt suicidal for quite some time as a result of the extreme isolation and alienation that SA caused me. If you can, I'd come off the Vyanese for a couple a months while you get used to the Liquid Zoloft. The Liquid Zoloft took 5 weeks to kick for me so give it a chance...seriously because it's good stuff. It does work very well for depression and OCD despite what others may tell you. Also augmenting zoloft with buspar is amazing. Buspar by itself does nothing but with an SSRI...great stuff. I'm going to go back on Buspar to wean myself off Klonopin--- (Klonopin is great for SA but it's honestly the worst drug on the planet--get off that stuff if you can--anymore than .5mg will interfere with your ambition, motivation, and creativity). It's the DUMB DRUG! Seriously, ask me any questions. I'll try to help you if I can. Are you a creative person?? writer, artist?????

 

Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work

Posted by streetsk8er794 on June 10, 2008, at 1:31:37

In reply to Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work, posted by Henry Miller on June 10, 2008, at 1:23:07

yes. Im a guitar player, song writer, and singer. I've found that I have no drive to be creative. Ive got no motivation. And yes, Im getting the hell off of klonopin. Im going to try maybe adderall xr, and start zoloft and wellbutrin while I wean of the klonopin. Im scared of the desoxyn because Im a recovering drug addict. But, who knows, maybe I will end up trying it. All I know is I meed help... fast... and any input is appreciated.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Redab on August 22, 2008, at 22:26:10

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Sky Brite Line on May 26, 2008, at 22:26:55

Hello I am new to this thread and I must say I am extremely happy that I found it. Very much of what was described sounds a lot like what I suffer from. Henry, it sounds like you have a very unique doctor. I was wonderig in what area exactly is he from. I live in the St. Louis area and am having a bit of trouble finding a psychiatrist to treat my condition. Any response would be greatly appreciated.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Redab on August 22, 2008, at 22:33:24

In reply to SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 26, 2008, at 17:24:11

> I have Obsessive Compulsive ADHD which, largely as a result of being untreated for twenty some odd years, has manifested itself into an amalgam of psychological conditions: the most prominent ones being Social Phobia, agoraphobia, OCD, Body Dysmorphobic disorder, perfectionism, both cerebral and somatic narcissism and as of late, major depression. I've trialled over 40 medications, none of which really worked....until I stumbled across Desoxyn (methamphetamine hydrochloride).
>
> -->Beginning last June I began: 5 mg Desoxyn 2x daily. This medication, although nearly impossible to get prescribed, is wonderful. I could never tolerate stims such as Adderall, Ritilin or Dexedrine..but with Desoxyn, there have been no side effects such as increased anxiety/ agitation. In fact, I am much more calm and sleep peacefully on Desoxyn (8 hours consistently). It's unfortunate that methamphetamine has earned such a negative reputation in our society as the medication can truly be therapeutic. NOTE: I've been on 10mg/ day for over a year now and have had no desire to abuse Desoxyn or other illegal drugs.
> ADHD: 80% cured
> Social Anxiety: 50% cured
> Depression: 90% cured
> OCD: 50% cured
>
> -->2 weeks after beginning Desoxyn, I added a 1 mg Klonopin Wafer(.5mg am, .5mg pm)
> ADHD: 60% cured (some cognitive
> impairment)
> Social Anxiety: 70% cured
> Depression: 70% cured (Klonopin made
> depression worse
> OCD: 70% cured
> Klonopin is great for social anxiety but seems to exacerbate my depression and dulls my memory.
>
> -->Thus 1 month later, I added 25 mg Zoloft
> ADHD: 90% cured
> Social Anxiety: 95% cured
> Depression: 100% cured
> OCD: 95% cured
> Zoloft in this low-dose has been ineffective in past trials but now appears to synergize with the Desoxyn, providing substantial relief for my OCD, Social Anxiety, and Depression, as well as boosting my cognition, surprisingly.
>
> -->As an experiment, I added 75mg Wellbutrin 1x daily.
> AHHD: 100% cured
> Social Anxiety: 100% cured
> Depression: 110% cured
> OCD: 100% cured.
> Wellbutrin seemed to supercharge the meds I was on , providing complete relief...and I mean...COMPLETE 100% relief.
>
> Current MED Summary:
> 10 mg Desoxyn
> 1 mg Klonopin Wafer
> 25 mg Zoloft(5 htp also worked but not as well)
> 75 mg Wellbutrin (L-Phenylalanine worked but not to the same degree as Well)
>
> I've had ZERO side effects from this regiment apart from some slight dry mouth. I've had no tolerance issues(though you could supplement with Namenda to reduce amphetamine tolerance if you have this problem--Namenda is a totally safe drug but I think vigorous exercise is more effective).
>
> I consistently sleep 8 hours a day, run 5 miles or so in the morning and lift weights in the evening, eat a Gluten/Lactose/Casein free diet full of vegetables: I have Celiac's Disease. I also take a Multi Vitamin, Omega 3 and a choline supplement.
>
> I'm in the best shape of my life. My libido is like that of a 15 year old.
>
> My creativity has skyrocketed as have both my cognition and memory.
>
> More importantly, I've been able to move out of my parents home, get a job, get a girl friend, and start making my own money. This is HUGE for me!
>
> All the meds I take are crucial for relieving my symptoms 100% but Desoxyn is, by far, the most responsible for my drastic improvement over the past year. I can't recommend this medication enough to people suffering from social anxiety: which is really just a byproduct of undiagnosed ADHD in my opinion.
>
> HOPE THIS HELPS!! Henry
>
Hello I am new to this thread and I must say I am extremely happy that I found it. Very much of what was described sounds a lot like what I suffer from. Henry, it sounds like you have a very unique doctor. I was wonderig in what area exactly is he from. I live in the St. Louis area and am having a bit of trouble finding a psychiatrist to treat my condition. Any response would be greatly appreciated.

I wasn't sure if my first post made it through so I posted again. Sorry.


 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% » Redab

Posted by Dade on August 24, 2008, at 19:29:19

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Redab on August 22, 2008, at 22:33:24

"All the meds I take are crucial for relieving my symptoms 100% but Desoxyn is, by far, the most responsible for my drastic improvement over the past year. I can't recommend this medication enough to people suffering from social anxiety: which is really just a byproduct of undiagnosed ADHD in my opinion."

Great post-it sounds like Desoxyn is a very helpfull med with few SE to speak of.

I agree about the ADD aspect, which if is severe and untreated, can multiply into various other life affecting ills-such as Bipolar like symptoms. Apparently a PsyDoc i saw did to, and commented that if treated "a person functions better over time".

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by streetsk8er794 on September 5, 2008, at 19:20:26

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% » Redab, posted by Dade on August 24, 2008, at 19:29:19

Henry.....

Long time no post. Anyways, I'm still going through a rough time with my meds man. I'm on dexedrine, and weaned myself down to 1.5 mg klon per day now.

When I take the klonopin, the dex works half as well.
If I take the dex without the klon, my ADHD is good, but anxiety is horrible.

Have you ever tried Nardil? It was the single best med I've every been on, but maybe a cocktail might be better. I just dont like having to juggle 4 meds at the same time. Hope you reply...

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% » streetsk8er794

Posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:11:18

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by streetsk8er794 on September 5, 2008, at 19:20:26

I've never tried Nardil my man, although I read somewhere that Barry Bonds used to take Nardil to bulk up and boost his confidence/reduce anxiety while at bat. After taking Nardil, his batting average went up drastically...go figure. I don't want to bulk up nor do I want to loose my sex drive so Nardil, although a beauty of a drug i'm sure, is a no go.

Don't want to mess with anything that effects my ability to write/creativity either. As for MAOIs, tried the EMSAM patch which worked brilliantly with a little KLONOPIN. It's just so dam expensive. 550 out of pocket. EMSAM is pretty bomb actually. I wish I could afford it. I tried regular selegilne and Zelpar(sublingual seleg) and they just don't cut it. Too much anxiety. I don't get anxiety with EMSAM and I imagine that's because it doesn't metabolize into l-amphetamine and it also seems to have a mild effect on serotonin(probably has a higher Cmax; higher concentrations of selegine in the blood). Cutting the EMSAM 6mg/24 in half was the dose that worked proper for me. I felt that it was the only med I needed and a little Klonopin (1mg/day) to take the edge off of course.

It's been a year since my last post and I will say that I'm doing well although my med regiment is slightly different now as my goals have changed:

Desoxyn is by far the best stim for social anxiety but boy do you have to be careful on it. It's rather disinhibiting and tends to make me feel like GOD, even at 5mg. Although attractive to some, it's not good to feel like GOD or think you can bounce bullets off your chest. You just have to be careful with that stuff and remind yourself that you are human...but what a great drug with the ladies...that Desoxyn. It's not that great for motivation though and getting work done.

So given that i'm in a writing phase, i've switched to GSX Dexedrine Spansules. I take 15 mg/day. To be honest, I actually prefer the Dex to any other stim i've taken but it has to be brand name. Essentially you get what you pay for in life and anything but BRAND (and that goes for almost all meds and supplements) is nose garbage. I was taking Barr Dex spansules and having all sorts of strange side effects but the GSX spansules are smooth; hardly notice i'm on medication.

I'm still on Namenda 20mg/day. I believe Namenda to be a wonder drug and that it will be widely prescribed at higher doses in the future. Amazing stuff. Been great for preventing amphetamine tolerance. My stim doses haven't changed. In fact, I often lower my dose. I only wish my doc would let me take 40mg/day b/c it shoots me into a hypomanic state and my writer's block dissipates like a f*rt in a windstorm.

Still on Aricept 10mg/day. Not sure what this does exactly but whenever I go off it, I don't feel quite as sharp so it must be doing something. I'll keep taking it as long as my insurance keeps covering it. Namenda is covered as well otherwise there is no way in hell i could afford these prima donna meds i'm on. I have Blue Cross Blue Shields of California in case you were wondering.

I dumped the liquid Zoloft and the Wellbutrin and replaced with 15mg of LAMICTAL(brand of course) 5mg chewable tablets 3x/day. I'm telling you, 15 mg of LAMICTAL actually works for me. This is the ultimate writers drug. My thoughts don't race yet I feel energized and full of ideas--that are actually good. I've been on LAMICTAL at much higher doses in the past, 200mg, and hated the stuff. Even 25 mg is too much for me. But at 15 mg, it brushes my seratonin receptors and calms me just enough. I feel great on LAMICTAL and my focus is even better than it was with just straight stims.

Still on Klonopin Wafers(generic). Had to go through 3 months of hell to get the wafers approved but finally Blue Shields caved and now they're just 10bucks for 120 .5mg wafers. The Generic klonopin in sub-par so i've had to raise the dose to 2mg/day. Still only need 1mg/day if the wafer is Brand but those, again, are ridiculously expensive.

There is something devastatingly wrong with health care; the fact that it is so difficult for so many to get the best treatment and so dam expensive. It's just not right or fair for those that can't afford these meds, simply b/c their insurance won't cover them. It all makes me sick b/c all the pharm companies care about is making money. Take home message: fight for the meds you want and you will eventually get them.

I have something called Celiacs Disease which makes me very sensitive to medications. That is the excuse that i have been using to get brand name meds approved b/c generics have fillers that contain lactose and gluten in them which i'm allergic to. Many people have celiacs and just don't know it. Get tested and by all means, tell your pdoc you have celiacs and see if your insurance will approve a brand med for you.

RECAP of my current regiment;

1x 15mg GSX Dexedrine Spansule
3x 5mg Lamictal chewable tabs
2x 10 mg Namenda
1x 10 mg Aricept
2-4x .5 mg Klonopin Wafer

Hope some of this helps.


 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:27:59

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% » streetsk8er794, posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:11:18

PS. If you need the instant release DEX in brand name form, here's a little trick.

Take a 15mg GSX Dex spansule and empty the contents into a glass of water. The orange beads will quickly dissolve with the stir of a spoon while the white(time release) beads will sink to the bottom. Transfer the liquid to another glass, don't worry about the white beads(they will stick to the glass). Now, in your new glass, you have 7.5mg of pure dextroamphetamine sulphate with no fillers, just some sugar. Leave the remaining 7.5mg in the water and let them dissolve over a 12hr period. The liquid, when fully dissolved, will contain fillers but you should have another 7.5mg of d-amphetamine. It's up to you whether or not you use it. Personally i just trash the stuff. I have my doctor prescribe me double the amount of Dexedrine Spansules (15mg bid). I take a 15mg Dex Spansule upon waking and dissolve another 15mg tablet in water on occasion, depending on what i'm doing that day. I take the 7.5 mg of liquid Dex and sip it through out the day. You can do the same with generic but try to get brand Dex if you can. The Barr spansules will dissolve in water however, it takes about 30 minutes. -Henry Miller

This guy has some interesting stuff about meds on his website although it appears to be down right now:
http://www.christiancocaine.com. Funny as heck too.

> I've never tried Nardil my man, although I read somewhere that Barry Bonds used to take Nardil to bulk up and boost his confidence/reduce anxiety while at bat. After taking Nardil, his batting average went up drastically...go figure. I don't want to bulk up nor do I want to loose my sex drive so Nardil, although a beauty of a drug i'm sure, is a no go.
>
> Don't want to mess with anything that effects my ability to write/creativity either. As for MAOIs, tried the EMSAM patch which worked brilliantly with a little KLONOPIN. It's just so dam expensive. 550 out of pocket. EMSAM is pretty bomb actually. I wish I could afford it. I tried regular selegilne and Zelpar(sublingual seleg) and they just don't cut it. Too much anxiety. I don't get anxiety with EMSAM and I imagine that's because it doesn't metabolize into l-amphetamine and it also seems to have a mild effect on serotonin(probably has a higher Cmax; higher concentrations of selegine in the blood). Cutting the EMSAM 6mg/24 in half was the dose that worked proper for me. I felt that it was the only med I needed and a little Klonopin (1mg/day) to take the edge off of course.
>
> It's been a year since my last post and I will say that I'm doing well although my med regiment is slightly different now as my goals have changed:
>
> Desoxyn is by far the best stim for social anxiety but boy do you have to be careful on it. It's rather disinhibiting and tends to make me feel like GOD, even at 5mg. Although attractive to some, it's not good to feel like GOD or think you can bounce bullets off your chest. You just have to be careful with that stuff and remind yourself that you are human...but what a great drug with the ladies...that Desoxyn. It's not that great for motivation though and getting work done.
>
> So given that i'm in a writing phase, i've switched to GSX Dexedrine Spansules. I take 15 mg/day. To be honest, I actually prefer the Dex to any other stim i've taken but it has to be brand name. Essentially you get what you pay for in life and anything but BRAND (and that goes for almost all meds and supplements) is nose garbage. I was taking Barr Dex spansules and having all sorts of strange side effects but the GSX spansules are smooth; hardly notice i'm on medication.
>
> I'm still on Namenda 20mg/day. I believe Namenda to be a wonder drug and that it will be widely prescribed at higher doses in the future. Amazing stuff. Been great for preventing amphetamine tolerance. My stim doses haven't changed. In fact, I often lower my dose. I only wish my doc would let me take 40mg/day b/c it shoots me into a hypomanic state and my writer's block dissipates like a f*rt in a windstorm.
>
> Still on Aricept 10mg/day. Not sure what this does exactly but whenever I go off it, I don't feel quite as sharp so it must be doing something. I'll keep taking it as long as my insurance keeps covering it. Namenda is covered as well otherwise there is no way in hell i could afford these prima donna meds i'm on. I have Blue Cross Blue Shields of California in case you were wondering.
>
> I dumped the liquid Zoloft and the Wellbutrin and replaced with 15mg of LAMICTAL(brand of course) 5mg chewable tablets 3x/day. I'm telling you, 15 mg of LAMICTAL actually works for me. This is the ultimate writers drug. My thoughts don't race yet I feel energized and full of ideas--that are actually good. I've been on LAMICTAL at much higher doses in the past, 200mg, and hated the stuff. Even 25 mg is too much for me. But at 15 mg, it brushes my seratonin receptors and calms me just enough. I feel great on LAMICTAL and my focus is even better than it was with just straight stims.
>
> Still on Klonopin Wafers(generic). Had to go through 3 months of hell to get the wafers approved but finally Blue Shields caved and now they're just 10bucks for 120 .5mg wafers. The Generic klonopin in sub-par so i've had to raise the dose to 2mg/day. Still only need 1mg/day if the wafer is Brand but those, again, are ridiculously expensive.
>
> There is something devastatingly wrong with health care; the fact that it is so difficult for so many to get the best treatment and so dam expensive. It's just not right or fair for those that can't afford these meds, simply b/c their insurance won't cover them. It all makes me sick b/c all the pharm companies care about is making money. Take home message: fight for the meds you want and you will eventually get them.
>
> I have something called Celiacs Disease which makes me very sensitive to medications. That is the excuse that i have been using to get brand name meds approved b/c generics have fillers that contain lactose and gluten in them which i'm allergic to. Many people have celiacs and just don't know it. Get tested and by all means, tell your pdoc you have celiacs and see if your insurance will approve a brand med for you.
>
> RECAP of my current regiment;
>
> 1x 15mg GSX Dexedrine Spansule
> 3x 5mg Lamictal chewable tabs
> 2x 10 mg Namenda
> 1x 10 mg Aricept
> 2-4x .5 mg Klonopin Wafer
>
> Hope some of this helps.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% » Henry Miller

Posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2009, at 21:27:57

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% » streetsk8er794, posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:11:18

Hi Henry powerful message. I do know celiacs that's autoimmune isn't it? But the EMSAM wasn't stimulating for someone like me that has anxiety and benzos don't relax anymore just make me tired. I still have a box of sample Emsam from when first out. Love Phillipa write.


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