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Posted by Justherself54 on February 7, 2008, at 12:33:56
My daughter and friends have noticed that I'm repeating myself more and also am more forgetful..I don't really care cause I feel so much better..does anyone else on Nardil notice the same thing?
Also, I've lost a lot of my energy and am wondering if it's time for an increase..but I'm somewhat scared that the weird 5 hour cycling will happen to me again..that was pretty rough to go through..
Thoughts and suggestions greatly appreciated!
Posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2008, at 12:38:12
In reply to Nardil Side Effect?, posted by Justherself54 on February 7, 2008, at 12:33:56
Do you mind if I follow your thread? Will not participate would like to learn. Thanks Phillipa hope you get your nardil soon.
Posted by Phoenix1 on February 7, 2008, at 12:43:37
In reply to Nardil Side Effect?, posted by Justherself54 on February 7, 2008, at 12:33:56
> My daughter and friends have noticed that I'm repeating myself more and also am more forgetful..I don't really care cause I feel so much better..does anyone else on Nardil notice the same thing?
>
> Also, I've lost a lot of my energy and am wondering if it's time for an increase..but I'm somewhat scared that the weird 5 hour cycling will happen to me again..that was pretty rough to go through..
>
> Thoughts and suggestions greatly appreciated!Yes, my short term memory is weird on Nardil. I repeat myself or rephrase sentences, not because I'm forgetting what I've already said, but because I lose track of what I'm saying half way through sentences and have to stop and think and then start again. It could just be the insomnia or it could be the Nardil. It's not constant, and it doesn't bother me. No one has mentioned to me that I'm doing it, but maybe I should ask...
As for the loss of energy, I find I have way more during the morning and early afternoon, and then I'm a bit tired in the late afternoon and evening. But I'm not tired all the time.
The dose increases didn't make these things worse after 60mg. That's where side effects peaked, receded, and have stayed the same even at 90 now.
My only suggestion is to try backing down on the dose for a week or two and seeing if side effects improve, but effectiveness is retained.
PX1
Posted by Justherself54 on February 7, 2008, at 14:14:03
In reply to Re: Nardil Side Effect? » Justherself54, posted by Phoenix1 on February 7, 2008, at 12:43:37
> > My daughter and friends have noticed that I'm repeating myself more and also am more forgetful..I don't really care cause I feel so much better..does anyone else on Nardil notice the same thing?
> >
> > Also, I've lost a lot of my energy and am wondering if it's time for an increase..but I'm somewhat scared that the weird 5 hour cycling will happen to me again..that was pretty rough to go through..
> >
> > Thoughts and suggestions greatly appreciated!
>
> Yes, my short term memory is weird on Nardil. I repeat myself or rephrase sentences, not because I'm forgetting what I've already said, but because I lose track of what I'm saying half way through sentences and have to stop and think and then start again. It could just be the insomnia or it could be the Nardil. It's not constant, and it doesn't bother me. No one has mentioned to me that I'm doing it, but maybe I should ask...
>
> As for the loss of energy, I find I have way more during the morning and early afternoon, and then I'm a bit tired in the late afternoon and evening. But I'm not tired all the time.
>
> The dose increases didn't make these things worse after 60mg. That's where side effects peaked, receded, and have stayed the same even at 90 now.
>
> My only suggestion is to try backing down on the dose for a week or two and seeing if side effects improve, but effectiveness is retained.
>
> PX1Thanks Phoenix..It's comforting to know someone else is experiencing the same side effects..I'm not bothered by it..I found some energy today..I think I've just been too inactive..I've started to paint my dining room and feel the interest and energy returning..yahoo..
Were you able to find get your script filled for Nardil..I sure hope so..
Posted by Justherself54 on February 7, 2008, at 14:15:58
In reply to Re: Nardil Side Effect? » Justherself54, posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2008, at 12:38:12
> Do you mind if I follow your thread? Will not participate would like to learn. Thanks Phillipa hope you get your nardil soon.
I don't mind you following any of my threads! And yes, my Nardil is at the pharmacy..I'm so relieved..thanks for your concern Phillipa..
Posted by tapmonk on February 7, 2008, at 16:20:03
In reply to Re: Nardil Side Effect? » Justherself54, posted by Phoenix1 on February 7, 2008, at 12:43:37
>
> Yes, my short term memory is weird on Nardil. I repeat myself or rephrase sentences, not because I'm forgetting what I've already said, but because I lose track of what I'm saying half way through sentences and have to stop and think and then start again. It could just be the insomnia or it could be the Nardil. It's not constant, and it doesn't bother me. No one has mentioned to me that I'm doing it, but maybe I should ask...
>
> As for the loss of energy, I find I have way more during the morning and early afternoon, and then I'm a bit tired in the late afternoon and evening. But I'm not tired all the time.
>
> The dose increases didn't make these things worse after 60mg. That's where side effects peaked, receded, and have stayed the same even at 90 now.
>
> My only suggestion is to try backing down on the dose for a week or two and seeing if side effects improve, but effectiveness is retained.
>
> PX1
>In so many ways Nardil is like any other drug of I've ever been on or researched. One of those ways seems to be the relatively narrow set of side-effects that people experience: insomnia, anorgasmia, DROWSINESS, and also this forgetfulness, which I think Phoenix1 really nails on the head as having more to do w/short term memory and the repetition of sentences than with any real forgetfulness.
The side-effect that is really getting to me is the daytime drowsiness. Towards the end of the day (about 3:30pm on) I become so exhausted that I basically have to stumble home and go to sleep. I'm on 75mg now and am hoping this fatigue subsides in the next week or so or else I'm going to have to try backing down to 60mg and just pray the positive effects don't wear off.
Posted by Justherself54 on February 7, 2008, at 17:35:05
In reply to Re: Nardil Side Effect?, posted by tapmonk on February 7, 2008, at 16:20:03
I always used to get tired around the same time you do but Nardil has been energizing for me.. I know you're not supposed to consume large amounts of coffee, but I have at least 5 cups a day (strong, as I grind my own beans), spaced out during the day..I wonder if a strong cup of java or two in the afternoon might help your fatigue..might be worth trying..
Posted by tapmonk on February 8, 2008, at 11:06:42
In reply to Re: Nardil Side Effect?Tapmonk, posted by Justherself54 on February 7, 2008, at 17:35:05
> I always used to get tired around the same time you do but Nardil has been energizing for me.. I know you're not supposed to consume large amounts of coffee, but I have at least 5 cups a day (strong, as I grind my own beans), spaced out during the day..I wonder if a strong cup of java or two in the afternoon might help your fatigue..might be worth trying..
thanks,
A few more questions for you here:
-how long have you been on Nardil (and at what doses)?
-has the daytime fatigue gone down over time?
-I'm not a big coffee drinker. Does one become desensitized to the caffeine over time and need to drink more and more? Would it make sense to not drink coffee on weekends when I'm not at work and don't need to function as highly in order to not develop a caffeine tolerance. And finally, what about jitteriness or depressed feelings when coming down off of the caffeine?Thanks so much!!!!
Posted by Justherself54 on February 8, 2008, at 11:46:48
In reply to Re: Nardil Side Effect? » Justherself54, posted by tapmonk on February 8, 2008, at 11:06:42
> > I always used to get tired around the same time you do but Nardil has been energizing for me.. I know you're not supposed to consume large amounts of coffee, but I have at least 5 cups a day (strong, as I grind my own beans), spaced out during the day..I wonder if a strong cup of java or two in the afternoon might help your fatigue..might be worth trying..
>
> thanks,
>
> A few more questions for you here:
> -how long have you been on Nardil (and at what doses)?
> -has the daytime fatigue gone down over time?
> -I'm not a big coffee drinker. Does one become desensitized to the caffeine over time and need to drink more and more? Would it make sense to not drink coffee on weekends when I'm not at work and don't need to function as highly in order to not develop a caffeine tolerance. And finally, what about jitteriness or depressed feelings when coming down off of the caffeine?
>
> Thanks so much!!!!I've been on Nardil since the end of September 07. I started with 45 mg and went up to 60 mg roughly 2 1/2 -3 weeks ago (I can't really remember)..I don't get the jitteriness from coffee anymore and I don't feel the need to drink more. Sometimes I think man, I'd like a coffee now, but if it's in the evening I don't drink it, as I have enough trouble sleeping..I feel no depressed feelings afterwards..
Parnate was worse for daytime fatigue..I don't find Nardil that way..but maybe it's the coffee! I love my java..but if you've never been a coffee drinker, start with a weak brew..mine would raise the hair on your head!
Just remember, once you develop a taste for it..you're hooked!
Posted by tapmonk on February 8, 2008, at 13:03:47
In reply to Re: Nardil Side Effect?, posted by Justherself54 on February 8, 2008, at 11:46:48
> I've been on Nardil since the end of September 07. I started with 45 mg and went up to 60 mg roughly 2 1/2 -3 weeks ago (I can't really remember)..I don't get the jitteriness from coffee anymore and I don't feel the need to drink more. Sometimes I think man, I'd like a coffee now, but if it's in the evening I don't drink it, as I have enough trouble sleeping..I feel no depressed feelings afterwards..
>
> Parnate was worse for daytime fatigue..I don't find Nardil that way..but maybe it's the coffee! I love my java..but if you've never been a coffee drinker, start with a weak brew..mine would raise the hair on your head!
>
> Just remember, once you develop a taste for it..you're hooked!
>
>That's funny, I had horrendous insomnia on Parnate (at least at first) but no daytime drowsiness that I recall. On Nardil, I have this crushing late afternoon/early evening fatigue, but no real insomnia.
Posted by 4WD on February 20, 2008, at 20:48:22
In reply to Re: Nardil Side Effect?, posted by tapmonk on February 8, 2008, at 13:03:47
Have any of you tried taking a nap when you have the afternoon drowsiness? Would that help? But then would it make the nighttime possibility of insomnia more likely?
Marsha
Posted by gardenergirl on February 21, 2008, at 13:40:30
In reply to Re: Nardil Side Effect?, posted by 4WD on February 20, 2008, at 20:48:22
I didn't find napping something that interfered with my Ambien-induced night sleeping. But it did interfere with my day, as I'd "nap" for hours, not minutes. I could lose a whole afternoon that way. Fortunately, this side effect (fatigue) eventually went away for me as many others did.
gg
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