Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 810910

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Nardil plus Trazadone?

Posted by 4WD on February 5, 2008, at 18:37:41

I am thinking of asking for a trial of Nardil when I see my pdoc in a couple of weeks. Right now I take 100mg of Trazadone at bedtime (to keep me from waking up 2 or 3 hours too early).

My question is: if I start Nardil, will I still be able to take Trazadone as a sleep med? I only take 100mg.

Marsha

 

Nardil diet - where can I find a copy?

Posted by 4WD on February 5, 2008, at 18:45:11

In reply to Nardil plus Trazadone?, posted by 4WD on February 5, 2008, at 18:37:41

Where can I find a copy of the Nardil diet? I thought I saw a place on Psychobabble but now I can't find where I saw it.

Marsha

 

Re: Nardil diet - where can I find a copy?

Posted by Justherself54 on February 5, 2008, at 19:28:20

In reply to Nardil diet - where can I find a copy?, posted by 4WD on February 5, 2008, at 18:45:11

I'm not very good at the link thing, so I copy and pasted this..if you go down on any board you'll see the google search..just type in maoi diet and you'll see lots of posts regarding the diet..hope this helps..

MAOI diet short list

Posted by Elizabeth on August 17, 2001, at 13:43:12

Hi. A couple of people have requested that I repost the dietary restrictions that I followed while taking MAOIs. Please don't take this as gospel; it's what worked for me and it's based on some fairly meticulous library research (I can provide a reading list for anyone who's interested). A lot of the "menus" that get handed out by pharmacies, hostpials, doctors, etc. are not very accurate because they are out of date and place extreme and unnecessary restrictions on what you can eat. This results in a number of problems. Many people are scared off by long, intimidating lists of restrictions. In other cases, a person will discover that s/he can "cheat" on some of the foods (the ones that really shouldn't be on the list) and will therefore take the entire list less seriously. There are some things that you definitely should avoid, but they are relatively few.

So, here it is -- a list of some things that I felt merited avoidance, and others that I felt were safe (and had no problems with, of course):

WINE is fine. Some people may get histamine-related headaches from it and think they are having a hypertensive episode when they are not.

BOTTLED BEERS are usually fine (American and Canadian ones are the best studied).

TAP BEER should be avoided.

Most AGED CHEESES are out. Of note, the mozzarella generally used on most pizzas has been found to be okay. So unless it's some weird exotic pizza with sharp cheeses (feta, cheddar, fontina) it should be okay to eat pizza. (In general, cheeses described as "sharp" are the most dangerous ones.) Ricotta cheese, cottage cheese, cream cheese, and "pasteurized process cheese food" (American cheese -- the cheesiest kind) are okay as well. In regard to the intermediately-aged cheeses, I personally had no problem with jack or brie in moderation. I would be careful if you're going to try this, though, and it's not something I'm willing to say is definitely safe.

OTHER DAIRY PRODUCTS, such as milk, yogurt, and sour cream, are generally safe as long as they are fresh.

SOY FOODS are controversial: one sample of soy sauce was reported to have quite a lot of tyramine in it, but there aren't any documented interactions. My experience has been that a little bit of soy sauce is okay. I would avoid other soy products, such as soy milk and tofu. The Taiwanese dish called "stinky tofu" is probably right out. < g >

Similarly, SAUERKRAUT has been found to contain a large amount of tyramine in some analyses, but there aren't any reactions documented that were associated with sauerkraut.

PROTEIN-CONTAINING FOODS that have passed the expiration date or that may have been stored improperly should be avoided. Fresh milk, meat, etc. are okay. One exception that I make, just because there have been so many problems reported with it, is LIVER; it seems possible that the proteins in liver are especially readily broken down to tyramine (perhaps they include more tyrosine than other proteins do, or perhaps the bacteria that turn tyrosine into tyramine are fond of liver).

Certain AGED MEATS, such as salami, bologna, and some sausages, may be problematic. Err on the side of caution. Some telltale words to look for are "aged," "smoked," "air-dried," and "fermented."

PICKLED HERRING itself isn't a problem, just don't eat the brine (yuck!).

To many people's relief, CHOCOLATE is fine. (If my experience with carb cravings on phenelzine is any indication, it's fine in *huge* amounts!)

Some miscellaneous peculiar foods, such as FAVA BEAN PODS and BANANA PEELS, also cause problems. Shouldn't be a major issue for most people. Watch out for Middle Eastern cuisine, which sometimes contains fava beans. MISO SOUP and other Oriental soup stocks have also been reported to cause problems.

I hope that people find this helpful. As I said, I can provide a list of references if anyone is interested.

-elizabeth

 

one more Nardil question

Posted by 4WD on February 5, 2008, at 20:31:06

In reply to Nardil plus Trazadone?, posted by 4WD on February 5, 2008, at 18:37:41

Is it true that if you go on Nardil you have to go off caffeine?

Marsha

 

Re: one more Nardil question » 4WD

Posted by Phillipa on February 5, 2008, at 23:35:58

In reply to one more Nardil question, posted by 4WD on February 5, 2008, at 20:31:06

Marsha you on Nardil too? Keep me posted. That is also the Elizebeths diet you hear so much about a very brilliant person from what I've read. Love Phillipa when are you planning on starting known each other quite a while now.

 

Re: one more Nardil question » 4WD

Posted by Jedi on February 6, 2008, at 1:41:32

In reply to one more Nardil question, posted by 4WD on February 5, 2008, at 20:31:06

> My question is: if I start Nardil, will I still be able to take Trazadone as a sleep med? I only take 100mg.

> Is it true that if you go on Nardil you have to go off caffeine?
>
> Marsha
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Hi Marsha,
Trazodone is commonly used as a sleep aid for the insomnia caused by Nardil. When I first started Nardil eleven years ago, that is what I used. I quit because I would wake up with a really hazy, drugged out feeling. Currently I use 2mg of clonazepam along with 25mg of Seroquel for sleep. This is the best combination I have found. Seroquel, even at the low dosage of 25mg can make you feel a little drugged in the morning. This side effect seems to have passed with me, and I always sleep.

I have found no problems with two or three cups of coffee in the morning. I don't drink it all day. In fact, my depression is worse in the morning, and the coffee seems to shake me out of it. Acts as a mild stimulant. Caffeine is a drug.
Good Luck,
Jedi

 

Re: one more Nardil question

Posted by Justherself54 on February 6, 2008, at 8:57:26

In reply to one more Nardil question, posted by 4WD on February 5, 2008, at 20:31:06

> Is it true that if you go on Nardil you have to go off caffeine?

I too drink 2-3 cups in the am..and I'm also guilty of drinking another 2-3 cups during the day..doesn't seem to cause any problems..nor does large amounts of chocolate!
>
> Marsha

 

Re: one more Nardil question

Posted by Justherself54 on February 6, 2008, at 9:03:40

In reply to Re: one more Nardil question » 4WD, posted by Jedi on February 6, 2008, at 1:41:32

I only tried trazadone once and felt like I had a hangover the next day minus the drinking the night before..

I currently take 50 mg of seroquel and 11 mg of zopiclone..I have been able to reduce my clonazapam to half of .05..I had to increase my seroquel and zopiclone to deal with the insomnia..


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