Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 809417

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maintenance ECT

Posted by dondon on January 28, 2008, at 19:13:28

How come people on maintenance ECT only receive a couple of treatments per month? Wouldn't you need more than that?

 

new study of perminant brain damage

Posted by AdamCanada on January 29, 2008, at 0:42:04

In reply to maintenance ECT, posted by dondon on January 28, 2008, at 19:13:28

http://www.ect.org/harold-sackeim-reverses-position-in-upcoming-study/


think long and hard before you undergo any more of these procedures.

ECT RUINED my memory and cognitive function severely up and til this very day. 5+ years later..... I used to be a genius and now I can barely hold an intelligent conversation with hardly anyone.

 

Re: new study of perminant brain damage

Posted by linkadge on January 29, 2008, at 2:27:05

In reply to new study of perminant brain damage, posted by AdamCanada on January 29, 2008, at 0:42:04

ECT shouldn't even be an option.

IMHO

Linkadge

 

Re: maintenance ECT

Posted by bleauberry on January 29, 2008, at 17:11:51

In reply to maintenance ECT, posted by dondon on January 28, 2008, at 19:13:28

> How come people on maintenance ECT only receive a couple of treatments per month? Wouldn't you need more than that?


Nobody needs ECT. Humans have never had an ECT deficiency.

I would like to follow up on the post by AdamCanada. My experience is similar. Devastating brain changes or damage in terms of cognitive and social skills are evident. Only two things were not affected. My guitar playing, which is a gift from God that He protected and enhanced, while everything else got damaged. And my ability to love. Besides those two things, all else in terms of physical and mental took a turn for the worse after ECT.

Maintenance ECT might be ok for someone confined to prison for life, who is rowdy and uncontrollable. Sizzle some of their brain cells to bring them down a few notches.

I can't believe the hype and the...geez, here it goes again...I can't think of the word...uh..hmmm...oh yeah, scandel of ECT.

If anyone thinks they need ECT, what they really need is a better doctor. ECT is miserable copout for someone who knows not what to do.

 

Re: maintenance ECT » bleauberry

Posted by Phoenix1 on February 5, 2008, at 18:16:46

In reply to Re: maintenance ECT, posted by bleauberry on January 29, 2008, at 17:11:51

> > How come people on maintenance ECT only receive a couple of treatments per month? Wouldn't you need more than that?
>
>
> Nobody needs ECT. Humans have never had an ECT deficiency.
>
> I would like to follow up on the post by AdamCanada. My experience is similar. Devastating brain changes or damage in terms of cognitive and social skills are evident. Only two things were not affected. My guitar playing, which is a gift from God that He protected and enhanced, while everything else got damaged. And my ability to love. Besides those two things, all else in terms of physical and mental took a turn for the worse after ECT.
>
> Maintenance ECT might be ok for someone confined to prison for life, who is rowdy and uncontrollable. Sizzle some of their brain cells to bring them down a few notches.
>
> I can't believe the hype and the...geez, here it goes again...I can't think of the word...uh..hmmm...oh yeah, scandel of ECT.
>
> If anyone thinks they need ECT, what they really need is a better doctor. ECT is miserable copout for someone who knows not what to do.
>
>

I think you need to be careful when you say "nobody needs ECT". One can't deny that it causes remission for some people with severe, refractory, drug resistant depression. It's a serious "end of the line" treatment that should be reserved for only the most dire situations, but it has it's valid place in psychiatric treatment. And you're right, nobody has an "ECT deficiency". But no one with ovarian cancer has a cisplatin (chemotherapeutic drug) deficiency and it sure helps some of them survive. But it can cause permanent nerve and kidey damage at the same time. Same for ECT for many people, life saving, but with permanent consequences.

Maybe we should all think twice before we arbitrarily condemn a treatment that has helped some people survive a brutal, life-threatening disease. How do you think those people feel when one says "nobody needs ECT"?

Yes, there are serious consequences that should be discussed in advance, but for many people, it's worth the risk. And it really should come down to a risk/benefit analysis. There are tons of examples like this in medicine.

Phoenix

 

Please be civil » bleauberry

Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on February 6, 2008, at 14:00:00

In reply to Re: maintenance ECT, posted by bleauberry on January 29, 2008, at 17:11:51

> Nobody needs ECT.
> ECT is miserable copout for someone who knows not what to do.

Please don't exaggerate or post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, such as those who have had or are considering having ECT.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.

-- 10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob

 

Please be civil » Phoenix1

Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on February 6, 2008, at 14:00:12

In reply to Re: maintenance ECT » bleauberry, posted by Phoenix1 on February 5, 2008, at 18:16:46

>How do you think those people feel when one says "nobody needs ECT"?

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.

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Re: Please be civil - I apologize. » Deputy 10derHeart

Posted by Phoenix1 on February 6, 2008, at 14:11:09

In reply to Please be civil » Phoenix1, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on February 6, 2008, at 14:00:12

> >How do you think those people feel when one says "nobody needs ECT"?
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
>
> -- 10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to put anyone down. In fact, I was worried that people would feel put down by the posters statement that I was responding to, but in retrospect, I can see that what I said could be taken as an accusation. But I certainly don't want that poster to feel put down by my post.

Let me try to rephrase the sentence in question in a different way. What I should have written was:

"I worry that by saying that nobody needs ECT, it might make people who have been helped by ECT, or who have nothing else to try but ECT feel bad about their decision."

10derHeart, is that better?

Thanks,

Phoenix1

 

Re: thanks (nm) » Phoenix1

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 7, 2008, at 21:28:56

In reply to Re: Please be civil - I apologize. » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Phoenix1 on February 6, 2008, at 14:11:09


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