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Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been .

Posted by Quintal on May 2, 2007, at 9:14:09

In reply to Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been ., posted by willyee on May 2, 2007, at 6:57:04

>The only anaology i can use is...
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>Parnate acts as if a boxer was scared cold in his corner,when working,the boxer will stand tall with confidence,and possibly even motivated to head out to the fight.The fear of even loosing might >not bother him,as a sense of high confidence is alive.


That's pretty much what I wanted to add to my post after I'd gotten the technical stuff out of the way willyee. Yeah, Parnate can be helpful in social anxiety disorder not so much because it reduces anxiety, but because it makes you feel so speedy and confident while it works - and that's totally different to the mellow contentment of Nardil, so if you're looking for that you're unlikely to get it with Parnate - that's all I was saying in my earlier post Malcolm, not pooh-poohing the idea of Parnate for social anxiety.

'High' is a good way to describe the sensation of when Parnate works. Parnate felt like coke when I was taking 80-120mg, better than coke in fact. I don't think I could have tolerated a dose so high without a hefty dose of Klonopin either, and I don't think Parnate would have worked for me at all in doses below 40mg. I think this is more or less true of most people taking it for social anxiety, so I would give up on it until you've reached a dose where you're feeling that kind of effect. For most people that's at least 40mg, usually much higher.

Q

 

Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been .

Posted by Phillipa on May 2, 2007, at 19:46:27

In reply to Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been ., posted by Quintal on May 2, 2007, at 9:14:09

Since I have no desire to feel high the opposite to be able to sit still I guess these meds are out for me. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been . » Phillipa

Posted by Quintal on May 2, 2007, at 20:19:16

In reply to Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been ., posted by Phillipa on May 2, 2007, at 19:46:27

I think it's been explained many times before that Nardil would probably be a very good med for you Phillipa - because of the calming and anxiolytic effect it usually has, but I'm not going down the route of trying to persuade you to take it if you don't want to.

Q

 

Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been .

Posted by Malcolm64 on May 2, 2007, at 20:30:23

In reply to Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been . » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on May 2, 2007, at 20:19:16

> I think it's been explained many times before that Nardil would probably be a very good med for you Phillipa - because of the calming and anxiolytic effect it usually has, but I'm not going down the route of trying to persuade you to take it if you don't want to.
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> Q

Not to discourage anyone here from posting, but why does Phillipa keep posting messages if she doesn't actually use or intend on using any of the meds discussed? I would think that the board is most helpful to others if the messages are being posted by people who are actually using or have experience with these meds.

It's not a criticism, just an observation.

Malcolm

 

Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been . » Malcolm64

Posted by Phillipa on May 2, 2007, at 21:29:13

In reply to Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been ., posted by Malcolm64 on May 2, 2007, at 20:30:23

The only meds I haven't used are MAOI's and EMSAM. Now would you use a med one just one person's opinion or would you throughly research it first which is what I am doing and will keep doing. Then I will be in a situation to make a decision whatever that may be. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been .

Posted by KayeBaby on May 2, 2007, at 23:31:09

In reply to Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been ., posted by Malcolm64 on May 2, 2007, at 20:30:23

I can't speak for anyone but myself but I am facinated by pharmecueticals and also enjoy researching anything that catches my interest.

It has been very beneficial to me to get to know the different personalities here and how they respond to different agents. It has broadened my view of how meds work. I could not possibly have gotten this much insight from reading just studies or dry med package inserts.

I have gotten good direction here and enjoy the comraderie. Most people do not want to hear about ones day to day med details. I want to tell mine and learn about others'.

This place is a psyche-meds goldmine. Even if I became cured of everything that ails me I would still find PB facinating and would read the boards often.

I don't see why Phillipa's presence and pace of psychotrophic drug consumption (or lack thereof) to be worthy of singling out.

Take Care,
Kaye

 

Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been .

Posted by willyee on May 3, 2007, at 9:05:50

In reply to Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been ., posted by Malcolm64 on May 2, 2007, at 20:30:23

> > I think it's been explained many times before that Nardil would probably be a very good med for you Phillipa - because of the calming and anxiolytic effect it usually has, but I'm not going down the route of trying to persuade you to take it if you don't want to.
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> > Q
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> Not to discourage anyone here from posting, but why does Phillipa keep posting messages if she doesn't actually use or intend on using any of the meds discussed? I would think that the board is most helpful to others if the messages are being posted by people who are actually using or have experience with these meds.
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> It's not a criticism, just an observation.
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> Malcolm

I agree,and i think its very unfair that certain people almost jump on you for stating this.

The point is not that one should not post,but to consinstly post in a thread to which you cant offer any actual experiance to the question is just conterproductive for everyone.Why is it anytime someone attempts to say this,they are made to feel as if they dislike phillipa or do not want her here.This is not true and i believe getting stale.

Ill use myself for example,i know about ssris,been on them all,however i have not in a long time,more important i do not plan to,so i dont think you will ever find a post of me invovled with ssris here.

So if your not intersted in using it,why have a user open the post.

Lets not make this anything more,i just simply agree,yess her support is obviously extremly appreciated,but i also agree about her postings.

 

Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been . » willyee

Posted by Phillipa on May 3, 2007, at 18:12:17

In reply to Re: Ironically, POSITIVE of the fatigue has been ., posted by willyee on May 3, 2007, at 9:05:50

And if I go back to psych nursing wouldn't it be helpful to have someone on board that has learned a few things about these meds and might be able to convince a pdoc that it could be a good choice for the patient? Love Phillipa ps was nationally certified for five years in psych

 

Re: Do all MAOI's make you this tired? Phillipa

Posted by Anne-Margrock on May 3, 2007, at 18:55:28

In reply to Do all MAOI's make you this tired?, posted by Malcolm64 on April 30, 2007, at 13:42:41

I just want to let you know that I read this site often and I appreciate all the time and energy that Phillipa gives to this site. Please don't stop posting Phillipa you seem like such a great support and kind person. Sometimes all a person needs to know is that someone out there is listening and that is what you do.

 

Re: Do all MAOI's make you this tired? Phillipa » Anne-Margrock

Posted by Phillipa on May 3, 2007, at 19:41:45

In reply to Re: Do all MAOI's make you this tired? Phillipa, posted by Anne-Margrock on May 3, 2007, at 18:55:28

Thank-you I sure appreciate you taking the time and energy to post this. Makes it feel worth my time and I do try. Love Phillipa ps anytime you want to talk babble is on.

 

help me understand the issue

Posted by KayeBaby on May 3, 2007, at 23:19:16

In reply to Re: Do all MAOI's make you this tired? Phillipa » Anne-Margrock, posted by Phillipa on May 3, 2007, at 19:41:45

Is it necessary to justify ones participation here?

I don't think anyone is intentionally being unkind but, I am interested in knowing what the heart of the matter is?

Possibly it is frustration for Phillipa rather than WITH her.

I know that I commonly lose patients with people when they ponder something for what seems to me and endless amount of time.

I am decisive and downright rash as a rule so I do not relate well to what appears to me to be a state of self-inflicted limbo.

I would prefer myself to be more gracious in respecting others' method of realizing in the same way that I demand mine be.

If we are open enough to share these thoughts then I think we should just as willing to explore their origins. Otherwise what good can come of it?

Peace,
Kaye

 

Re: help me understand the issue

Posted by willyee on May 4, 2007, at 11:32:26

In reply to help me understand the issue, posted by KayeBaby on May 3, 2007, at 23:19:16


STOP already,its not unclear,the poster said exactly why,one expects to post on a med board and find a answer,or some information pretaining to med.Simple as that.

Social support is great,we all have,and will go out of our way for phillipa and everyone here when they are in need,it was just a statement but every single time its made its like missle are brought out,enough,its his view,theres no defense needed,hes not say dont post,hes just asking a statement,why not let for once phillipa answer the post,see if it ends with her answer,and let it be,we dont need the calvery every single time,god.


> Is it necessary to justify ones participation here?
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> I don't think anyone is intentionally being unkind but, I am interested in knowing what the heart of the matter is?
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> Possibly it is frustration for Phillipa rather than WITH her.
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> I know that I commonly lose patients with people when they ponder something for what seems to me and endless amount of time.
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> I am decisive and downright rash as a rule so I do not relate well to what appears to me to be a state of self-inflicted limbo.
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> I would prefer myself to be more gracious in respecting others' method of realizing in the same way that I demand mine be.
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> If we are open enough to share these thoughts then I think we should just as willing to explore their origins. Otherwise what good can come of it?
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> Peace,
> Kaye
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Re: help me understand the issue

Posted by Quintal on May 4, 2007, at 12:27:12

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue, posted by willyee on May 4, 2007, at 11:32:26

I think the last ten posts illustrate very well the heart of the issue Malcolm and willyee were trying to address - that threads tend to go off on a tangent and this isn't very helpful or supportive to the originator of the thread.

Q

 

Re: help me understand the issue » willyee

Posted by KayeBaby on May 4, 2007, at 14:46:08

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue, posted by willyee on May 4, 2007, at 11:32:26

>
> STOP already,its not unclear,the poster said exactly why,one expects to post on a med board and find a answer,or some information pretaining to med.Simple as that.

I asked for further clarity. No one is not required to respond to my questions.


> Social support is great,we all have,and will go out of our way for phillipa and everyone here when they are in need,it was just a statement but every single time its made its like missle are brought out

Maybe I have missed that. Has the issue of her participation been addressed many times??

I have fired no missiles.


>,enough,its his view,theres no defense >needed,hes not say dont post,

I agree. He made it clear that he was not asking anyone to refrain from posting. I did not think he was being unkind. I thought he was trying to ask a tough question with some tact.

>hes just asking a statement

I'm sorry? Do you mean to say that he is ASKING a question or making a STATEMENT?

I thought he was asking a question.
Did I misunderstand?

Is "asking a statement" similar to a rhetorical question?
If so, this is may be the source of my confusion.


>,why not let for once phillipa answer the >post,see if it ends with her answer,and let it be,

Why not? I am not stopping her.

Maybe I am more interested in the question than I am the answer. It may be that I am addressing it in order to better understand a situation completely outside of this message board.

I am sorry if you are offended by my attempt to communicate about this particualr issue and I feel that you are ascribing to me motives that are not accurate.


>we dont need the calvery every single time,god.

I am not the calvery, nor am I God. I don't know Phillipa except from reading her post and she is in no sort of danger that would require a defense from me.

If no one cares to respond further to my probing then this post will fall into the abyss and I am quite capable of living without my every curiosity satisfied.

I would like to thank you, though.
Your response has illuminated the topic for me quite well.


Appreciation,
Kaye


 

Re: help me understand the issue

Posted by KayeBaby on May 4, 2007, at 15:06:48

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue, posted by Quintal on May 4, 2007, at 12:27:12

> I think the last ten posts illustrate very well the heart of the issue Malcolm and willyee were trying to address - that threads tend to go off on a tangent and this isn't very helpful or supportive to the originator of the thread.
>
> Q

Yes. I see that this thread has veered off course and is in need of a title change at least if not moved.

But, why would a topic be raised and when it is responded to be met with such a hearty number of others who reply with demands to not broach the subject.

I think that if----- asking a statement ----- generates so many replys then that is what is called a 'hot topic' Hot topics are just what any message board needs.

I'll bet in the future should this subject come around again I will be thoroughly bored by it.

I would probably not reply to it at all so as to allow it to die a natural death.

Hot topics are one thing, but wasting bandwith is practically sinful.

Peace,
Kaye


 

Re: help me understand the issue » KayeBaby

Posted by shasling on May 4, 2007, at 15:15:19

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue, posted by KayeBaby on May 4, 2007, at 15:06:48

Okay, that's twice. Make you feel better to be sarcatsic about his grammer? Smarter? What?

"PEACE" Suzie

 

Re: help me understand the issue

Posted by willyee on May 4, 2007, at 16:14:15

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue » KayeBaby, posted by shasling on May 4, 2007, at 15:15:19

> Okay, that's twice. Make you feel better to be sarcatsic about his grammer? Smarter? What?
>
> "PEACE" Suzie

Thanks,lol i have hooked on phonics ordered so we should be seeing some major differences provided it works,they even have a money back guarentee.

More seriously i hope this thread stops as its really not doing anyone any good.

 

Re: help me understand the issue

Posted by Phillipa on May 4, 2007, at 19:04:19

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue, posted by willyee on May 4, 2007, at 16:14:15

Is this not a board for learning about meds? I thought it was? With civility being number one. Each time an MAOI post is posted it brings out tons of more info and I love to learn. Do you like to teach as well as share and learn? Love Phillipa

 

Re: help me understand the issue

Posted by Malcolm64 on May 4, 2007, at 19:47:20

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue, posted by Phillipa on May 4, 2007, at 19:04:19

>>Is this not a board for learning about meds? I thought it was? With civility being number one. Each time an MAOI post is posted it brings out tons of more info and I love to learn. Do you like to teach as well as share and learn? Love Phillipa?>>

Again, I really apologize if my comment came across as discouraging your contribution in any way. It's just that I read your posts and they often don't answer (or half-answer) the subjects being discussed. I often find them cryptic or undecipherable in the context of what is being discussed. Not to mention bad grammar.

And sometimes, they often don't even address the subject being discussed. Go back and read some of your own posts and you will see what we're talking about.

Neither I, nor anyone else, can stop you from contributing to this board, but it would really be helpful if instead of posting whatever thought comes to mind regardless of its relevance to the topic under discussion, you would directly answer (or attempt to answer) the question.

I think most people on here (myself included) are at their wits end in trying to find meds that work that it's no help at all to read posts that don't offer any information whatsoever.

Please don't get me wrong, I think that you have much to contribute, it's just sometime hard to figure out exactly what you're talking about.

Another thing, I think it's a bit of a strange affection to end every post the way you do with with "Love Phillipa". You cannot possibly love us, b/c we're all strangers to you (and to each other).

I apologize if this comes across as being a bit harsh. But as a regular reader of this board, these things have begun to urk me. Perhaps they don't others, in which case mine is REALLY a minority opinion. If so, then I doubly apologize.

Malcolm

 

Re: help me understand the issue » Malcolm64

Posted by Phillipa on May 4, 2007, at 19:55:55

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue, posted by Malcolm64 on May 4, 2007, at 19:47:20

To each his own. Love Phillipa ps I do love all people. Why would I not?

 

Re: help me understand the issue

Posted by Phillipa on May 4, 2007, at 21:54:29

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue » Malcolm64, posted by Phillipa on May 4, 2007, at 19:55:55

Thread started with parnate making you tired I replied I didn't get it as parnate to my understanding is supposed to be energizing. A good friend of mine went on it for this reason. And experienced the same thing. So how is trying to understand that not belonging on this thread? Love Phillipa the peace flower child?

 

No one should have PROBLEMS with 'Love whomever' » Malcolm64

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on May 5, 2007, at 0:39:36

In reply to Re: help me understand the issue, posted by Malcolm64 on May 4, 2007, at 19:47:20

Hey Malcolm, I agree with 90-percent of your post. And it really upsets me when she posts something negative totally out of the blue. HOWEVER God bless Jan, sometimes she comes across the wrong way (as do all of us I'm sure) but you can tell she has the greatest heart and is just trying to help and encourage. Sometimes I wish she would think more before posting something, but I could be guilty of the same thing.

HOWEVER, this thing about her writing "Love, Phillipa" is unreal and (in my opinion) should NEVER be addressed again on this board. If someone has a problem with it, then dont read her posts. It's that simple. Of course, she doesn't know everyone on this board, but I think she cares for the general wellfare of everyone on this board.

I dont think saying "Love, whomever" is ANY DIFFERENT than opening professional letter with "Dear Sirs." To me, "dear" is just as much of a term of endearment as "love" is, in THIS CONTEXT.

Nor do I think it is any different than when I say "Prayers" at the end of my posts. I pray for few ppl in here specifically, but for the pain and suffering of all those on PBbabble EVERY NIGHT.

Malcom, you have been a great contributor to this board. I've appreciated our email communication. Let's get back to helping and encouraging one another.

Prayers, love and whatever else, Michael

 

Re: No one should have PROBLEMS with 'Love whomeve

Posted by malcolm64 on May 5, 2007, at 1:53:11

In reply to No one should have PROBLEMS with 'Love whomever' » Malcolm64, posted by UgottaHaveHope on May 5, 2007, at 0:39:36

> Hey Malcolm, I agree with 90-percent of your post. And it really upsets me when she posts something negative totally out of the blue. HOWEVER God bless Jan, sometimes she comes across the wrong way (as do all of us I'm sure) but you can tell she has the greatest heart and is just trying to help and encourage. Sometimes I wish she would think more before posting something, but I could be guilty of the same thing.
>
> HOWEVER, this thing about her writing "Love, Phillipa" is unreal and (in my opinion) should NEVER be addressed again on this board. If someone has a problem with it, then dont read her posts. It's that simple. Of course, she doesn't know everyone on this board, but I think she cares for the general wellfare of everyone on this board.
>
> I dont think saying "Love, whomever" is ANY DIFFERENT than opening professional letter with "Dear Sirs." To me, "dear" is just as much of a term of endearment as "love" is, in THIS CONTEXT.
>
> Nor do I think it is any different than when I say "Prayers" at the end of my posts. I pray for few ppl in here specifically, but for the pain and suffering of all those on PBbabble EVERY NIGHT.
>
> Malcom, you have been a great contributor to this board. I've appreciated our email communication. Let's get back to helping and encouraging one another.
>
> Prayers, love and whatever else, Michael

Ok, well I'll admit that perhaps I was wrong about this. So peace, love, ecstasy, god bless or whatever closing makes Phillipa (and others) feel better is just fine.

I guess I'll have to chalk my posts to my "being in an irritable mood", so I hope that you all (and Phillipa, especially) will forgive me. I truly didn't want to start a conflict needlessly.

But again, it would really help if people would try to remain focused on the subject of a thread rather than going off into tangents. Also try to proofread for grammar before submitting a post, b/c it doesn't help if we can't understand exactly the point the person is trying to make. I guess bad grammar is a pet peeve of mine.

But once again, Phillipa I owe you an apology and I hope that you will accept it.

Malcolm

 

Phillipa always FORGIVES » malcolm64

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on May 5, 2007, at 6:29:06

In reply to Re: No one should have PROBLEMS with 'Love whomeve, posted by malcolm64 on May 5, 2007, at 1:53:11

Malcolm: Jan always FORGIVES and I hope YOU find it in your heart to FORGIVE her. Like I said, I agreed with 90-percent of your post. Bless her heart, she will post things (I'm guilty, too, I'm sure) without really thinking things out. And sometimes it can have a negative impact, but again she means well and I think anyone can easily tell that by her overall contributions to the board.

(This has nothing to do with Jan, but) I agree with you on this one, too, about people going off in tangents, which totally changes the direction of a good post. However, that happens in nearly every post in here unfortunately. When it occurs to something I want to discuss, I do my best to bring everything back to topic. Or just start a new thread about it at the bottom (which usually works best).

One of past topics went from me wanting to know Nardil info to something about homosexuals, which set off about 20 straight posts about the latter. So I just started anew at the bottom.

Grammar? LOL, old buddy that's a lost cause in here and everywhere. But I feel you on dat esp when peeps write n net talk (blah).

FINALLY, there is no conflict and never will be. If somebody says something mean to me (and you didnt to me nor Jan), then as hard as it is, I just ignore it. Let's face it: People come to this board bec they likely are dealing with emotional issues. And when they are here, they likely are feeling well and searching for help. Probably in a desperate AND bad mood.

Anyways, I just ignore it. I mean, no disrespect, but I don't know a single person in here personally nor will they be getting any Christmas cards from me. It's just a message board on a electronic screen in my bedroom, nothing more and nothing less. But I am thankful for it because I have learned a lot in here.

Gosh, this Nardil has made me a chatterbox (there I go, blaming meds on regular human behavior, which is one of my pet peeves in here, sorry). I'll shut up with this: Malcolm, I think may will agree it's great to have you in here, you are a valuable contributor and I hope you keep posting.

Prayers, peace, love, namaste, hasta lavista and aloha, Michael

 

Re: Phillipa always FORGIVES

Posted by gardenergirl on May 5, 2007, at 13:30:56

In reply to Phillipa always FORGIVES » malcolm64, posted by UgottaHaveHope on May 5, 2007, at 6:29:06

The only way someone can receive notifications of new posts to a thread they wish to follow is to post to that thread and click the email notification button in the posting window. Phillipa has broad interests on this board, and she follows a lot of threads.

gg


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