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Re: Everyone hop on the Nardil train: Choo choo! » stargazer

Posted by UGottaHaveHope on April 5, 2007, at 22:49:15

In reply to Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned, posted by stargazer on April 5, 2007, at 21:51:35

SG: I love ya. There was no washout from Emsam. I took 15mg for three days, 30 mg for two days, and then began 45mg. I didnt really have that many side effects on 30 and I may in the end go back down to the dose. However, right now I am going to follow doctor's orders. When I go see him in 10 days, he will take my blood again to see how much Nardil is in my blood stream. (He took a baseline test before I started on the Nardil).

Again, I can withstand these side effects because of my hope of getting better, like many others have on this same med at the same dose. Actually, about half in here seem to think that 60 is what you have to take to reach a theraputic level. But hopefully my blood test will show that 45 is just fine.

I am just a guinea pig, I guess. But a willing one. Those SSRIs never did anything for me, just years wasted. At least with Nardil, I have got a shot. I may fail, I may succeed. I feel it will definitely be one way or the other and no inbetween. (The good news is that I have Emsam to fall back on, but I am committed to Nardil for at least two more months, yikes 7 more weeks.)

Basketball? I was just moving in slow motion while the others wanted to run for some reason. With Nardil's rep for causing weight gain, I am going to exercise like crazy. The diet hasnt been a problem. Ate lite Mozarella cheese an hour ago, and BP has been fine, well a little lower than normal.

Thanks for caring. Come join me on the Nardil train! Michael

 

Re: Nardil: Trust me.

Posted by football on April 6, 2007, at 1:21:58

In reply to Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned, posted by UGottaHaveHope on April 5, 2007, at 21:38:36

You may feel out of it (I sure do right now) but its absolutely nothing like being stoned.

 

Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned

Posted by greywolf on April 6, 2007, at 4:49:17

In reply to Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned, posted by UGottaHaveHope on April 5, 2007, at 21:38:36


This just goes to show how different we all are. I am extremely affected by the fatigue/fogginess/stoned out feeling I get with most ADs, particularly SSRIs. But guess which med I was thrilled not to experience any of that with? Nardil. I was at 60mg/day, and it was like taking a vitamin in terms of SEs. The only thing I recall experiencing was some weight gain.

I regret that I was under just the care of a GP when I was taking Nardil. He was, and is, a great GP who wasn't afraid of MAOIs, but I think that if I had stuck with the Nardil at a higher dosage I might have been better off. At 60mg/day, I was still experiencing severe depression, but the intensity of the experience had lessened. If I had taken it up to 90mg, I'd probably have seen more significant improvements, though likely not anything like a remission of the depression.

Instead, because my OCD problems were so overbearing, I switched to clomipramine, which was a complete disaster. Now, a couple years later, I have a new psychiatrist who's very good with the pharmacology, but he thinks going back to the Nardil would be a waste of time because I had previously reached a therpeutic level after several months at 60mg/day, but did not receive significant benefits.

Now I'm on Emsam at the lowest dose. It's been a couple weeks, and my anxiety is at peak levels. Never experienced that with Nardil. In fact, it was the exact opposite of this experience.

I would definitely stick with Nardil as long as you can. Almost everyone I've heard of having SEs on Nardil says they're completely gone after a few weeks, and I've heard so many stories of success with the med that I have to believe it's worth the effort.

Greywolf

 

Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned » greywolf

Posted by Girlnterrupted on April 6, 2007, at 9:24:42

In reply to Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned, posted by greywolf on April 6, 2007, at 4:49:17

A question for you greywolf: the weight gain you experienced on Nardil, was it caused because Nardil increased your appetite, or because Nardil slowed your metabolism? I'm curious because I'm thinking of using Nardil as my last resort, and I'm afraid of gaining weight, since that would make my depression so much worse.

Thanx in advance

> This just goes to show how different we all are. I am extremely affected by the fatigue/fogginess/stoned out feeling I get with most ADs, particularly SSRIs. But guess which med I was thrilled not to experience any of that with? Nardil. I was at 60mg/day, and it was like taking a vitamin in terms of SEs. The only thing I recall experiencing was some weight gain.

 

Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned » Girlnterrupted

Posted by greywolf on April 6, 2007, at 10:01:54

In reply to Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned » greywolf, posted by Girlnterrupted on April 6, 2007, at 9:24:42

I did not have increased appetite, so it was probably metabolism. But the weight gain was slight and I don't view my personal experience on that point as any reason to shy away from Nardil.

Greywolf

 

Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned » greywolf

Posted by Phillipa on April 6, 2007, at 11:24:39

In reply to Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned » Girlnterrupted, posted by greywolf on April 6, 2007, at 10:01:54

Ace the nardil champ gained a lot of weight. Google his threads. Love Phillipa

 

Emsam, I've been there » greywolf

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:19:12

In reply to Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned, posted by greywolf on April 6, 2007, at 4:49:17

Greywolf: Emsam gave me energy, which was not a good thing because it jacked up my anxiety. However, I was able to counter some of that by taking 4mg of Klonopin and 100mg of Seroquel (If you can make it just on the Klonopin, that would be super. Seroquel is for sleep).

I think you are correct about Nardil: Had you stayed on it longer or increased your dose, you would have likely benefitted. Here's the good news: According to my pdoc, who is one of the world's top researchers (blah blah blah), he said there is no washout period between switching between Emsam to Nardil or Parnate. However, he did start me off on Nardil 15mg for three days, 30 for two days, before reaching the 45.

I liked Emsam, but I felt like it wasnt hitting my anxiety (GAD) like Nardil could. But I could find out that I was wrong. I am committed to Nardil for 2-3 months and Emsam is my backup plan, despite the outrageous cost.

 

Re: Nardil weight gain: Urban legend or true? » Girlnterrupted

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:25:59

In reply to Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned » greywolf, posted by Girlnterrupted on April 6, 2007, at 9:24:42

From everything I have and from talking with others, it seems that Nardil weight gain is a problem for about half of those who take it. And half of those who take it say it is because they get "carb cravings" or incredible hunger pains. Ive been on Nardil for a week, and I have had the hunger, but I counter it by drinking a lot of water. I also have tried to eat a healthy diet and also continue exercising. Ive lost weight.

I dont think I would worry about Nardil weight gain. I would worry about feeling better, which makes Nardil well worth the trial. And there is also the possibility of augmenting to Nardil with Provigil, which seems to be like a stimulant and really helps in keeping the weight off.

I encourage you to try Nardil, Parnate and Emsam (the last two have no reputation for weight gain for the masses, although there are some on here who have gained wght on Parnate). Every med affects everyone differently and you never know until you try.

Find reasons to try a drug, not to not try it. Please keep us posted on what you decide to do. Best wishes, Michael

 

Phillipa please quit scaring people » Phillipa

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:33:05

In reply to Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned » greywolf, posted by Phillipa on April 6, 2007, at 11:24:39

I love you to death and there is no one on this board I want to see get better more than you. You are in my prayers all the time.

However, when you post comments like that, which you seem to do about most drugs, it just discourages others from trying it. We're all here to encourage each other. Yes, Ace may have gained weight on Nardil, but so what? He's in a rock band, probably rocks all night, parties hard and sleeps all day.

My point is this: You should base your entire view on Nardil or any other drug on one person's experiences. There are PLENTY of people in here who have not gained weight on Nardil. I know I have only been on Nardil for one week, but I have LOST weight. This could change, and I could gain weight, but it will not be a factor in determining whether or not I should take it.

Again, please dont take this the wrong way because you know I love you. Just dont want you scaring people away with fragile confidence based on one person's experience with the drug. Hell, EVERY MED has some sort of SIDE EFFECT.

 

HELP! Your suggestion on me feeling Nardil stoned

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:57:48

In reply to Phillipa please quit scaring people » Phillipa, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:33:05

I have been taking Nardil for 10 days, although the 45mg dose for only the last 6 days. I augment with Klonopin (3-4mg) and Seroquel (100mg). I was hoping if I posted my typical day, someone might have some insight on what is causing this daytime sedation and other side effects (tingling in arms and legs, postural hypotension, etc. but mainly sedation).

10 a.m.: Eat fruit for breakfast and take 15 mg of Nardil.

11 a.m.: Take Vitamin B6, B complex and Omega 3 Fatty Acid.

1 p.m. Eat oatmeal for lunch and take another 15 of Nardil.

6 p.m. Take final 15 of Nardil.

7-9 p.m. Eat dinner, usually a salad or baked chicken. (I know that is a long window from lunch).

1 a.m. Got to bed with 2mg of Klonopin and 100 mg of Seroquel.

NOTE: Now the pdoc said the Seroquel may be causing the daytime sedation and have me reduce it to 50 mg or less. Or I am wondering if I am eating food on a proper schedule and getting enough calories.

Thanks in advance for your input, Michael

 

Re: HELP! Your suggestion on me feeling Nardil stoned

Posted by TheMeanReds on April 6, 2007, at 13:32:05

In reply to HELP! Your suggestion on me feeling Nardil stoned, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:57:48

Does Nardil require you to eat when you take it?

When I take some of my meds and eat with them, I sometimes feel more sedated.

When I take 100mg of seroquel at night it can give me a hang over.

When I take 2mg klonopin I feel sedated.

You may not be getting enough calories to go with your seemingly busy and athletic lifestyle.

'Nardil Stoned', that made me giggle. =)

Good Luck

 

Re: Emsam, I've been there » UgottaHaveHope

Posted by greywolf on April 6, 2007, at 18:13:28

In reply to Emsam, I've been there » greywolf, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:19:12


Well, it'll be an interesting experiment. You'll stick with Nardil and I'll stick with Emsam, and we'll see who finishes first :)

I think my anxiety is really a manifestation of the bipolar not being controlled. Emsam may start working at some point on the depression, but it isn't going to do anything about the manic phase of bipolar. And the problem I have is that without something for times like the last few days, all I have is Xanax. And at a max of 4mg/day, I might as well have a couple mints and pretend I'm not ready to jump out of my skin.

Greywolf

 

Re: Nardil and weight gain.

Posted by football on April 6, 2007, at 22:22:06

In reply to Re: Emsam, I've been there » UgottaHaveHope, posted by greywolf on April 6, 2007, at 18:13:28

I had heard so many things about Nardil and weight gain that I almost chose to try Parnate over it. However, while I certainty can't speak for everyone here, for me personally, Nardil has significantly DECREASED my appetite, to the point where I have to force myself eat. Since I started the drug, about a month ago, I've actually lost close to 5 pounds.

Everyone's different; you could gain weight, you could lose weight like me, but please, if you're suffering from depression or anxiety, try Nardil!

 

Stoned on Nardil » TheMeanReds

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 7, 2007, at 1:14:48

In reply to Re: HELP! Your suggestion on me feeling Nardil stoned, posted by TheMeanReds on April 6, 2007, at 13:32:05

I take the Nardil without food. My reasoning is the "new" Nardil has a cheap coating on it (you can article after article on this), which supposedly dissolves quicker in the stomach, which in turn allows less Nardil to reach your bloodstream and WORK, hence many people who were taking the "old" Nardil have had to increase doses of the new stuff.

Thanks for your feedback, Michael :)

 

Please be civil » UgottaHaveHope

Posted by gardenergirl on April 7, 2007, at 10:50:20

In reply to Phillipa please quit scaring people » Phillipa, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:33:05

> Phillipa please quit scaring people [subject]

> Just dont want you scaring people away with fragile confidence based on one person's experience with the drug.

I appreciate your concern for the community, and for Phillipa's feelings. But please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please first see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Psycho-Babble Administration and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action. If you wish, you can appeal this decision to him.

Namaste

gg, acting as deputy

 

Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned

Posted by rvanson on April 7, 2007, at 11:28:15

In reply to Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned, posted by UGottaHaveHope on April 5, 2007, at 21:38:36

I am very glad that you are doing so well but no matter how stoned on Nardil you feel, I hope you dont drive feeling this way.

Here in the US if you know that you are impared
you cannot legally drive (that includes being sleepy/tired).

Just a thought. Stay safe.

 

Re: Driving like Cheech and Chong » rvanson

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 7, 2007, at 13:26:33

In reply to Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned, posted by rvanson on April 7, 2007, at 11:28:15

Thanks for thinking about me. I did drive just fine last night with the help of some caffeine. Short distance. I did cancel a long trip today, though, because of that concern. Well, not as much directly as driving on Nardil, as I was waking up early and driving on Nardil. I usually sleep to 10 am (working nights), so driving at 5 am is something I am not ready for. Not ready to chance it if I dont have to. God bless, Michael

 

Perhaps hypoglycemia?

Posted by stargazer on April 7, 2007, at 18:19:00

In reply to HELP! Your suggestion on me feeling Nardil stoned, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:57:48

Michael < i too think you may be not getting enough calories therefore the tingling in your arms and legs can be a sign of low blood sugar. If you are concened about weight gain, you may not be eating enough. Have you adjusted your diet whe you began Nardil?

Just a thought about the tingling....SG

 

Re: Phillipa please quit scaring people » UgottaHaveHope

Posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2007, at 19:46:26

In reply to Phillipa please quit scaring people » Phillipa, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 6, 2007, at 12:33:05

Sorry Michael not trying to scare people away just remember past threads where the weight gain was a problem. Most meds carry that risk. Read it here about just about every med. Funny though all the meds I've been on and did not gain weight so we are all diffeant. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned

Posted by Maxime on April 8, 2007, at 21:17:40

In reply to Nardil: This is how it must feel to be stoned, posted by UGottaHaveHope on April 5, 2007, at 21:38:36

Hi

Nardil did the same to thing to me, and I quite enjoyed it. :) I had to stop taking it because of some side effects. Must be because it affects GABA so much. Someone asked me if I was stoned when I was on it.

Maxime


> Ive never tried an illegal drug (yep, no pot, never, but im no angel and drank like a fish in college).
>
> Back to the subject: I am only at my fifth day of 45mg of Nardil, and wow. The anxiety is mostly gone, the depression is unaffected (that was never my major issue anyways), but boy do I feel stoned, or out of it. Now, no worries, Ive heard from just about everyone who has tried Nardil that you go through many side effects or body adjustments in the first couple of months before it kicks in. And I accept that in hopes that this med will help me like it has many others. Hope is what always give me strength and courage,
>
> But wow. Walking around like a zombie. Played basketball the other day, and everybody was like what's going on, dude? I stuck it out and was fine - by the fifth game lol.
>
> Peace to all my fellow Babblers, hope you are chilling like me, wow, Michael

 

Re: Please be civil » gardenergirl

Posted by Maxime on April 8, 2007, at 21:27:37

In reply to Please be civil » UgottaHaveHope, posted by gardenergirl on April 7, 2007, at 10:50:20


I think the post was written in a most diplomatic way. If you take one sentence out of context, then yes, it looks bad. But when you read the whole post, it wasn't unkind at all. I think we should be allowed to say what is on our minds without deading that "be civil" warning and then a ban.

UgottaHaveHope, you are right. Side effects can change and you shouldn't base your opinion of one person's reaction to a med to med itself. Keep trying, and I hope Nardil works out for you!


xxx
Maxime
> > Phillipa please quit scaring people [subject]
>
> > Just dont want you scaring people away with fragile confidence based on one person's experience with the drug.
>
> I appreciate your concern for the community, and for Phillipa's feelings. But please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please first see the FAQ:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Psycho-Babble Administration and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action. If you wish, you can appeal this decision to him.
>
> Namaste
>
> gg, acting as deputy
>
>

 

Re: Please be civil » Maxime

Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2007, at 22:35:29

In reply to Re: Please be civil » gardenergirl, posted by Maxime on April 8, 2007, at 21:27:37

Michael and I have already discussed it and all is well. Thanks for your concern. Love Phillipa

 

Phillipa and I both thought it was no big deal

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 9, 2007, at 1:03:17

In reply to Re: Please be civil » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2007, at 22:35:29

I agree: I thought it was written very diplomatic, and Jan had no problems with it, once she saw where I was coming from. GG was just doing her job, making sure the board rules are always followed, which is cool.

I just dont ever want anyone to be scared of trying a drug that may be a miracle because somebody else had one side effect on that drug. Even the SSRIs (yikes, did that just come out of my mouth?). Seriously, every med affects everybody differently and no matter what someone on here whines and cries about (myself included), you will NEVER know what a drug may do for you until you try it.

NEVER fear trying a drug. FEAR never trying the drug, for it could change you life forever for the better. But you will never ever never know until you try. Sorry, but that's where we are in brain science.

 

Re: Phillipa and I both thought it was no big deal » UgottaHaveHope

Posted by Declan on April 9, 2007, at 1:20:47

In reply to Phillipa and I both thought it was no big deal, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 9, 2007, at 1:03:17

Michael, I dunno.
What you say is true, as long as you have the resilience to handle it. That doesn't last forever.
When people have been said to be anti-med here, maybe it has to do with their having a more pessimistic assessment of their own or others' resilience.
It's nothing to me apart from this.

 

Re: Phillipa and I both thought it was no big deal » Declan

Posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2007, at 19:27:39

In reply to Re: Phillipa and I both thought it was no big deal » UgottaHaveHope, posted by Declan on April 9, 2007, at 1:20:47

Declan if you mean me by no means am I antimed. They most have just never worked for me. Luvox in high doses did and paxil l0mg did with xanax the paxil and ativan with the luvox. Luvox worked twice very well. Since I had a pdoc at the time that needed l0 people for a celexa trial he asked me to switch I said no and next time I saw him very relaxed and feeling well he said oh you're catatonic and pulled me off the med. How stupid of me to listen. Love Phillipa ps I had no idea at the time how these meds worked.


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