Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 704811

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Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Racer

Posted by Quintal on November 18, 2006, at 17:01:05

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled, posted by Racer on November 18, 2006, at 13:37:30

I agree very much with your post Racer. It sounds like arrogance when I say I know more and have more experience of what works for *me* after being in treatment for seven years than my last pdoc. My last pdoc wasn't much older than myself, was a recent graduate and tried to pull some sneaky moves on me that made my hackles rise right from the start [Sure Mr. Pdoc, Zyprexa is a regular antidepressant just like Prozac.....].

Personally, I started to learn about pharmaceuticals and neurotransmitters because I was curious and at one point became so enthusiastic that (encouraged by my then wise, experienced and kindly pdoc) I decided to go back to college and train to be a doctor myself.


I am able to work together with my pdoc as a team so long as I feel the pdoc is genuine has my best interests at heart, otherwise I begin to feel like a passive victim and when the meds fail or have terrible side effects it feels much like chemical torture.

I would dearly like to be able to find a pdoc that really did have some useful experience behind him, but that isn't the case where I live so I feel forced to take initiative and request my own treatments. It's worthwhile remembering not all pdocs are created equal.

Q

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Racer

Posted by Phillipa on November 18, 2006, at 18:34:57

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled, posted by Racer on November 18, 2006, at 13:37:30

Racer are you now saying you shouldn't have blind faith in a pdoc as I started a thread on that a while back and I think you thought that the pdocs knew more than us and we should listen to them and do what they say. I stand to be corrected. And I've heard that less docs are going into psychiatry today hence the pdoc shortage. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by Squiggles on November 18, 2006, at 18:40:51

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Racer, posted by Phillipa on November 18, 2006, at 18:34:57

Quintal and Phillipa,

I don't know why but your threads remind me
of Plato's Euthyphro or one of his
dialogues- sort of pedagogical -- no
offense of course; Plato was a great
philosopher.

As for pdocs, well, you really shouldn't
be practicing any medicine if you don't know what
you're doing, imho.

Squiggles

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles

Posted by Phillipa on November 18, 2006, at 19:51:19

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa, posted by Squiggles on November 18, 2006, at 18:40:51

Squiggles I agree with you and that's why I get annoyed when she asks me what and how much of a med I want. I don't tell her what to do. She asks me. What do you make of that? Love Phillipa

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by Squiggles on November 18, 2006, at 20:00:21

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on November 18, 2006, at 19:51:19

You may have given the impression that
you are very knowledgeable in these matters.
If you feel insecure, can you ask for
a referral to someone specializing in
say "affective disorders" or something like
that? Sorry, i've lost the thread of
what your condition is.

Squiggles

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles

Posted by Quintal on November 18, 2006, at 20:03:00

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa, posted by Squiggles on November 18, 2006, at 18:40:51

Hmmmmm. You've given me food for thought Squiggles. Excuse me while I look that up on Wiki.

And to think I let my family talk me out of taking that Philosophy A-level because I would never find any use for it..........

Q

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles

Posted by Quintal on November 18, 2006, at 20:48:12

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa, posted by Squiggles on November 18, 2006, at 18:40:51

Socrates.... the philosopher who found endless fault with others to distract from his own grotesqueness?

Q

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Quintal

Posted by Squiggles on November 18, 2006, at 21:08:57

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles, posted by Quintal on November 18, 2006, at 20:03:00

> Hmmmmm. You've given me food for thought Squiggles. Excuse me while I look that up on Wiki.
>
> And to think I let my family talk me out of taking that Philosophy A-level because I would never find any use for it..........
>
> Q
>
>

Yeah, maybe try again --just make sure you don't pick an Ivy League university. You can get thrown
out onto a puddle of mediocrity for missing10 points on an exam after finishing most of the doctorate. Maybe try med school where you can maim and disable with a dozen medication guesses and get awarded with a prize of Excellence in art therapy for frontal lobe disorder. Of course you won't be on the receiving end.
:-)

Squiggles

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles

Posted by Quintal on November 18, 2006, at 21:22:55

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Quintal, posted by Squiggles on November 18, 2006, at 21:08:57

Oh I've become much too disillusioned with Hippocratic medicine to still wish I had finished med school and become a doctor now Squiggles. I am still interested in healing people though, which was my original sense of purpose. I keep hitting that pesky old 'First, heal thyself' adage though :-)

Q

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles

Posted by Phillipa on November 18, 2006, at 21:51:10

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa, posted by Squiggles on November 18, 2006, at 20:00:21

Squiggles she knows my family history and how meds killed my Mother so that may be one reason she lets me decide. I think she feels that if I am the ultimate decider I will be more compliant which is my main problem. Anxiety number l with depression next. Oh and now an overactive thyroid from hypo. Makes it harder. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by Squiggles on November 19, 2006, at 5:04:08

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on November 18, 2006, at 21:51:10

I'm sorry to read your mother was killed
by meds, and glad your doctor is sensitive
to that.

Best wishes,

Squiggles

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Quintal

Posted by Squiggles on November 19, 2006, at 5:18:03

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles, posted by Quintal on November 18, 2006, at 21:22:55

You may be in the right place;
there's a lot of self-healing going on here.

Squiggles

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by Quintal on November 19, 2006, at 13:51:56

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on November 18, 2006, at 21:51:10

Do you think this has made it difficult for you to trust and submit to doctors Phillipa? I wonder if something like this could be behind my own hostility since my mother suffered a lot due to the ignorance and stubbornness of her GP? After many years of suffering and humiliation this resulted in her needing drastic emergency surgery (an illeostomy) that eventually caused complications that killed her.

Maybe I should be trying to find ways of overcoming my fear and hostility, but when the last pdoc pulled the 'Zyprexa is a regular antideressant' move on me what little trust I had went out of the window.

Q

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled

Posted by linkadge on November 19, 2006, at 17:39:01

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on November 18, 2006, at 21:51:10

I never knew that meds killed your mother, do you mean psychiatric meds? Meds have ruined my mothers life too, probably why I am afraid of them.

Linkadge

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled

Posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2006, at 19:15:34

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled, posted by linkadge on November 19, 2006, at 17:39:01

Thanks guys the reason I come here your understanding and compassion. It was cortisone in the early 60's that gave her Addisons disease which led to ortheoporosis which led to her falling on the ice breaking her back wearing a brace. Another Adrenal crisis in the hospital on ACTH and transferred to Yale this time as she wasn't responding and then she was a smoker had a cough. Were going to x-ray her in the am and she threw a pulmonary embolism that night and died at age 48. I was l7 and had already been raising myself. I swore I would be differant from my Mother so jogged took vitamins. etc. The the hasimotos and I almost threw up the first pill my body had failed me. I was just like her. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled

Posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2006, at 19:22:47

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled, posted by linkadge on November 19, 2006, at 17:39:01

I feel for all of us with similar experiences I have tears in my eyes for us all. And yes it has made it very very hard to trust. Especially when the pdoc you trusted the most gets arrested for insurance fraud and illegal distribution of meds. And all his charts are seized. He's the one who put me on all these benzos and chloral hydrate(off it now) But basically made me look like an addict to other pdocs. Hence my recent experience with a pdoc refusing me. I'm not stupid I know that's why. And here I am. But you know what? I never took the doses as high as he wanted them. Thankfully. And no malpractice as it has to cause long lasting irreversible damage. Maybe it has who knows. And I'm seeing how angry I am too right now. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by ronaldo on November 20, 2006, at 1:18:06

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled, posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2006, at 19:15:34

> Thanks guys the reason I come here your understanding and compassion. It was cortisone in the early 60's that gave her Addisons disease which led to ortheoporosis which led to her falling on the ice breaking her back wearing a brace. Another Adrenal crisis in the hospital on ACTH and transferred to Yale this time as she wasn't responding and then she was a smoker had a cough. Were going to x-ray her in the am and she threw a pulmonary embolism that night and died at age 48. I was l7 and had already been raising myself. I swore I would be differant from my Mother so jogged took vitamins. etc. The the hasimotos and I almost threw up the first pill my body had failed me. I was just like her. Love Phillipa

Hi Phillipa

I am so sorry for all your medical problems and your late Mum's as well. I pray you will get better soon.

((((((Phillipa))))))

....ronaldo

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by Quintal on November 20, 2006, at 8:59:22

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled, posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2006, at 19:22:47

I don't think anyone could blame you for being angry after all that has happened Phillipa. I know what you mean about your benzos giving the wrong impression to new pdocs - the last one I saw said he didn't believe I had social anxiety at all, implying that I was just there to get benzos and other meds for kicks. He put this in the discharge letter to my GP and she believes what he says because he is a pdoc and higher in authority than her. I'm angry too...........

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » ronaldo

Posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2006, at 19:08:52

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa, posted by ronaldo on November 20, 2006, at 1:18:06

Thank-you Ronaldo. I wish I could find med that works for me or a pdoc that could help me. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Quintal

Posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2006, at 19:10:23

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on November 20, 2006, at 8:59:22

Quintal if they worked like they used to I wouldn't care but they don't. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by Quintal on November 20, 2006, at 20:49:21

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Quintal, posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2006, at 19:10:23

Phillipa have you developed tolerance to the benzos now? Have you considered using pregabalin as an alternative? I've been looking into this myself but the GP refuses to prescribe it because of lack of experience.

Q

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Quintal

Posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2006, at 21:26:12

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on November 20, 2006, at 20:49:21

Quintal I'm not familiar with this med is it in the US? Love Phillipa

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by Quintal on November 21, 2006, at 8:31:21

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Quintal, posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2006, at 21:26:12

Pregabalin is Lyrica. I wondered if it might work as a benzo substitute to get away from that 'addict' stigma they carry?

Q

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by Phillipa on November 21, 2006, at 18:08:07

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Quintal, posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2006, at 21:26:12

Some babblers have had success some not. Don't the lower doses act as a depressant. And higher doses give energy? Love Phillipa

 

Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa

Posted by Quintal on November 21, 2006, at 18:21:11

In reply to Re: Doctors underestimate our intelligence/knowled » Phillipa, posted by Phillipa on November 21, 2006, at 18:08:07

I'm not sure about that. Will let you know if I ever get to try it ;-)


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