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Nardil - night eating - anyone else ?

Posted by petel on October 18, 2006, at 19:45:05

Hi
have been taking Nardil for 20+ years - few little diet accidents but generally okay with it.

A big problem I have - I am wondering if this is related to Nardil - is "night eating". Just as I get off to sleep I sudenly feel very hungry and HAVE to eat something. This is not a bad habit bu a sort of compulsion. Anyone else experience this ? Could it be Nardil related or something else ? It really is annoying happens every night and leads to loss of a good nights sleep..

 

Re: Nardil - night eating - anyone else ? » petel

Posted by Declan on October 18, 2006, at 20:07:53

In reply to Nardil - night eating - anyone else ?, posted by petel on October 18, 2006, at 19:45:05

I wonder what's happening to your blood sugar and insulin levels when you need to eat at night.

Can you look into that?

 

Re: Nardil - night eating - anyone else ? » petel

Posted by jedi on October 20, 2006, at 1:20:50

In reply to Nardil - night eating - anyone else ?, posted by petel on October 18, 2006, at 19:45:05

> Hi
> have been taking Nardil for 20+ years - few little diet accidents but generally okay with it.
>
> A big problem I have - I am wondering if this is related to Nardil - is "night eating". Just as I get off to sleep I sudenly feel very hungry and HAVE to eat something. This is not a bad habit bu a sort of compulsion. Anyone else experience this ? Could it be Nardil related or something else ? It really is annoying happens every night and leads to loss of a good nights sleep..

Hi,
I've been on Nardil for most of the past ten years. Though I usually don't get up during the night to eat, I get severe carbohydrate cravings in the evening hours. Of course this has lead to large weight gain; at one point more than 110 pounds. I'm down 45 from this all time high but I still fight the carb cravings from Nardil.

I've tried many other combinations of meds to try to get off the Nardil, but it is the only thing that works for my treatment resistant atypical depression with social and generalized anxiety. Currently, I am trying a dosage reduction from 90+mg down to 60mg, with hopes of getting to 45mg. I augment with 1mg clonazepam and about ten grams of fish oil daily (1800mg of EPA). My MD is affraid to augment with modafinil, even though I have shown him a lot of evidence that this is safe with Nardil. I am from a small town with very limited access to good PDOCs. The last one I saw for nine months refused to prescribe Nardil, even though it was the only med that has ever worked for me. I really believe he would have rather watched me suicide than risk putting me on a MAOI and have any possible problems come back on him (These kind of PDOCs are just to chicken*hit to handle treatment reistant depression, you have to have a little bit of guts!)
Good Luck,
Jedi

 

Re: Nardil - night eating - anyone else ? » petel

Posted by gardenergirl on October 21, 2006, at 21:09:24

In reply to Nardil - night eating - anyone else ?, posted by petel on October 18, 2006, at 19:45:05

I get that at times, too, and it seems to be related to when I take a dose. Do you divide your doses over the course of the day? Maybe try taking your last dose a bit earlier, and then before bed have a small carb snack such as a small apple or graham crackers and a glass of milk?

The carb cravings are awful. Provigil seems to be helping me somewhat with the weight thing. That and being more depressed at the moment. :(

gg

 

Re: Nardil - night eating - anyone else ?

Posted by petel on November 10, 2006, at 12:46:05

In reply to Re: Nardil - night eating - anyone else ? » petel, posted by gardenergirl on October 21, 2006, at 21:09:24

Hi Gardener Girl !
apologies for a later reply some real (as opposed to imaginary_ hassles.....

I will try your advice and split the dose over the 24 hour day - and also try a LAST (!) nigt stack - I get away with these hunger attacks by eating low fat biscuits - it is almost embarrasing the no of packets I buy at the Supermarket. BTW try swimming - I swim 3 X a week primarily to keep weight gain down, am also just started to jog (only about a mile at the time which leaves me pretty exhausted - but feeling good). Good luck with the depression - it is sad that most of we "depressives" are generally nice people - a body of shrinks should study that one day, thanks Peter

 

Re: Nardil - night eating - anyone else ?

Posted by petel on November 10, 2006, at 12:51:34

In reply to Re: Nardil - night eating - anyone else ? » petel, posted by jedi on October 20, 2006, at 1:20:50

> > Hi

Apologies for the late reply:

and thanks for the advice. You say you have "atypical depression with social and generalized anxiety." ? That is almost a mirror image of my original diagnosis. I remember one of the first physical "symptoms" were severe sel conciousness and blushing - ruined all of my teenage years and a lot of my twenties. Did you go through anything similar ? Am sure mine is related to an overbearing father - but you cannot go blaming someone for everything for the rest of your life - though I do try :-)

all the very best Peter

 

Re: Nardil - My Story. » petel

Posted by Jedi on November 11, 2006, at 2:31:42

In reply to Re: Nardil - night eating - anyone else ?, posted by petel on November 10, 2006, at 12:51:34

> > > Hi
>
> Apologies for the late reply:
>
> and thanks for the advice. You say you have "atypical depression with social and generalized anxiety." ? That is almost a mirror image of my original diagnosis. I remember one of the first physical "symptoms" were severe sel conciousness and blushing - ruined all of my teenage years and a lot of my twenties. Did you go through anything similar ? Am sure mine is related to an overbearing father - but you cannot go blaming someone for everything for the rest of your life - though I do try :-)
>
> all the very best Peter

Hi Peter,
Yes, your teenage years and twenties sound very similar to mine. I succeeded in most everthing I attempted, but that was not enough to break through the early social anxiety and dysthymia. My father was also somewhat overbearing. If I got an A- on a report card, the response was why didn't you get an A. Like you, I have really tried to give up blaming other people for my problems. The only way I can change something is if I take the responsibility for it.

I am almost fifty now and the major depression didn't really hit until I was forty. But the early, untreated social anxiety and dysthymia did take a great toll on me. In high school, I was so fearful of rejection, I couldn't even ask a girl out. I went to college back in the seventies and attempted to self-medicate with alcohol and pot. Only by some miracle did I not kill myself or someone else during these years.

By the time I was twenty-five I had given up the booze and pot and became a full fledged workaholic. I made and lost millions of dollars in computers and real estate. This went on for about fifteen years until the first major depression hit me at forty. Actually my largest financial loses correspond almost exactly with my first major depression. Since then, life has been a real struggle. Probably over forty different combinations of meds now. Nardil with clonazepam is the only thing that really helps. No meds are perfect, but they keep me at a point where I can at least function.

I wish I would have had the common sence to get some help in my earlier years, maybe the major depressions would not have been as bad. Then again, there is a large genetic component to my depression, so maybe nothing would have helped.

The way I look at it now is that you play the hand you are delt. There are a lot of people worse off than me.
Take care,
Jedi

 

Re: Nardil - My Story.

Posted by tessellated on November 11, 2006, at 21:57:26

In reply to Re: Nardil - My Story. » petel, posted by Jedi on November 11, 2006, at 2:31:42

take the responsibility for it.
-and that's also about self determination and free will.
>
By the time I was twenty-five I had given up the booze and pot and became a full fledged workaholic.
-yeah, i'm 32 and distraction and drive are great for depression.

I made and lost millions of dollars in computers and real estate.
-ever read tom wolfe's A Man in Full?
-there are definitely more boring ways to live.

> The way I look at it now is that you play the hand you are delt.
-life is a game of chance. if it wasn't would it be worth playing?

l8
> Jedi
>


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