Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 693405

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Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic?

Posted by Franz on October 9, 2006, at 20:18:26

I feel different when I take clonazepam from when I use alprazolam. Like alprazolam relaxes me more and affects mood in other way also.
Clonazepam is good but I am not sure if it makes my mood worse.
I take low doses of both when I do.
I know clonazepam was first used as an anticonvulsant, so maybe although they are both benzo they are not equivalent.

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Franz

Posted by Phillipa on October 9, 2006, at 21:36:06

In reply to Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic?, posted by Franz on October 9, 2006, at 20:18:26

I feel clonazepam has a depressing aspect to it. It's longer acting than ativan. Been years since ativan but I liked it when I took it. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Franz

Posted by yxibow on October 10, 2006, at 4:37:27

In reply to Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic?, posted by Franz on October 9, 2006, at 20:18:26

> I feel different when I take clonazepam from when I use alprazolam. Like alprazolam relaxes me more and affects mood in other way also.
> Clonazepam is good but I am not sure if it makes my mood worse.
> I take low doses of both when I do.
> I know clonazepam was first used as an anticonvulsant, so maybe although they are both benzo they are not equivalent.

Yes, it is an anxiolytic -- all benzodiazepines are though they vary in their anxiolytic, anticonvulsant, anaesthetic, and sedative-hypnotic qualities.

Klonopin, Valium, and Librium are long half life primarily anxiolytic and anticonvulsant benzodiazepines.

Ativan and Xanax are short half life mostly anxiolytic and somewhat sedative benzodiazepines.

Restoril, Dalmane, Halcion, and (where available) Rohypnol are sedative-hypnotic mostly.

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Franz

Posted by valene on October 10, 2006, at 8:23:46

In reply to Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic?, posted by Franz on October 9, 2006, at 20:18:26

agree with above post. Xanax has more of a slight antidepressant property to it. Clonazepam from all the many things I have read, posts here and on other forums, is more depressing-- in fact it seems to be the most depressing of the benzos for *most* people.

Val

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic?

Posted by med_empowered on October 10, 2006, at 13:08:09

In reply to Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Franz, posted by valene on October 10, 2006, at 8:23:46

I think its b/c klonopin is such a strong anti-convulsant (I mean,for a benzo). Tranxene is also a strong anti-convulsant benzo, and its known for causing some **serious** depression. Interestingly enough..they use it as a withdrawal med for alcholics. I guess its punishment for being a drunk.

Xanax has an odd structure, so for a while docs used it in mild cases of mixed anxiety/depression (some older docs still do). The bad thing about it is the half-life; one would think xanax xr would make it better, but it still seems like shrinks go for klonopin over xanax.

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Franz

Posted by Squiggles on October 11, 2006, at 16:56:56

In reply to Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic?, posted by Franz on October 9, 2006, at 20:18:26

> I feel different when I take clonazepam from when I use alprazolam. Like alprazolam relaxes me more and affects mood in other way also.
> Clonazepam is good but I am not sure if it makes my mood worse.
> I take low doses of both when I do.
> I know clonazepam was first used as an anticonvulsant, so maybe although they are both benzo they are not equivalent.

Good question; it was first manufactured
as an anti-convulsant, but all benzos are
anti-convulsants. It is not a fast anxiolytic
but insofar as anxiety is a gabba-thing, i guess
it is an anxiolytic. Alcohol is an anxiolytic
for that matter.

Squiggles

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Squiggles

Posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2006, at 20:25:53

In reply to Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Franz, posted by Squiggles on October 11, 2006, at 16:56:56

Cheaper too, less side effects, makes you feel good, no prescription, no pdoc appointment. So how much do you think you'd save a year? love Phillipa

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Phillipa

Posted by yxibow on October 12, 2006, at 3:08:17

In reply to Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2006, at 20:25:53

> Cheaper too, less side effects, makes you feel good, no prescription, no pdoc appointment. So how much do you think you'd save a year? love Phillipa


Its tempting but the side effects come in the morning after, depression, hangover...
Plus cirrhosis with long term use. And possible TD with extreme alcohol use.


A benzodiazepine is much better than a bottle of wine. Not being a teatotaler, but a tab of Valium or Xanax is less harsh on the system. And if you want to mostly avoid your liver, there's always Serax.

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Squiggles

Posted by Phillipa on October 12, 2006, at 18:54:53

In reply to Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Franz, posted by Squiggles on October 11, 2006, at 16:56:56

Jay I haven't had a drink in ten years. But how come when I drank I worked and felt great? Never more than 6 beers. No hangover either. Jogged each morning. Then went to work. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Phillipa

Posted by Franz on October 13, 2006, at 8:39:10

In reply to Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on October 12, 2006, at 18:54:53

> Jay I haven't had a drink in ten years. But how come when I drank I worked and felt great? Never more than 6 beers. No hangover either. Jogged each morning. Then went to work. Love Phillipa

We did not come to far from old and natural and cheap alcohol with all our science right? sigh...

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Phillipa

Posted by yxibow on October 15, 2006, at 2:30:46

In reply to Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on October 12, 2006, at 18:54:53

> Jay I haven't had a drink in ten years. But how come when I drank I worked and felt great? Never more than 6 beers. No hangover either. Jogged each morning. Then went to work. Love Phillipa


Oh I don't care if you drink , that's your perogative in the US after we finally ditched prohibition except for control states which meddle with alcohol sales and sell them in their own state stores... but I digress


6 beers a night is a bit on the excessive side, but we all process things differently. Some of us may not have any hangovers. You felt better because the alcohol acted primarily on your GABA transmitters and somewhat rewarding on your dopaminergic system.


Jogging each morning certainly burns off some of the beer calories. :)


But 42 drinks a week is a little on the extreme if I'm gathering. Yes, college students binge, I did too on cider and wine a few times, only once in my life did I ever um.. hurl. But its much harsher on the liver than a doctor prescribing a few Xanax, Ativan, Valium, etc, and they're much cleaner as a drug/medication, as alcohol is of course.

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? yxibow

Posted by Phillipa on October 15, 2006, at 19:27:12

In reply to Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Phillipa, posted by yxibow on October 15, 2006, at 2:30:46

Jay then why don't the meds make me feel good? Is there a different part of Gaba. And what med would hit this same spot as alchohol? Love Phillipa

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic?

Posted by Greif on October 16, 2006, at 17:38:24

In reply to Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Phillipa, posted by yxibow on October 15, 2006, at 2:30:46

Autopsyies taken on individuals using benzos for 30 years reveal no deterioration of the brain or liver. An alchoholics brain is discolered and affected. The liver goes in most heavy drinkers far before brain (wet brain) damage sets in.

 

Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic? Greif

Posted by Phillipa on October 16, 2006, at 19:48:33

In reply to Re: Is clonazepam/Klonopin a real anxiolytic?, posted by Greif on October 16, 2006, at 17:38:24

Thanks that's a relief as I've been on them that long. Love Phillipa


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