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Posted by sparky123 on May 27, 2006, at 20:29:04
I went from suicidal to practically normal. i overcome something your going through right now. i think i can offer a completely refreshing approach if you at least read my story. You’ll see a chance to return to normal is possible. about a year ago i was just like you. at the end of my ropes trying all different medication's in the hope that it will return me to some kind of normal behaviour. none worked and sick of trying them i tried a great many medications by the way. i learnt that parnate or Nardil seemed to be the most effective and the most powerful of the lot. i tried to get my hands on it but no doctor would prescribe it for me. My only hope crushed and i was stuck with no hope in hell and my only thought's were was that i was ready to end my life.
i was so depressed and unable to function. unable to have any kind of relationship with anyone because my social phobia had disabled me to the point i didn’t even feel comfortable around my own family, my own mum.
my wife tried for many years to help me get through it only to give up on our 7yr together. she had had enough of my disease. i lost her and she was my best friend. social phobia had destroyed my life. no friends no nothing just hardcore major depression.
13 years of disease and the medical industry had failed me in every which way possible to help. my memory was so crap i would forget everything. i couldn’t even tell a story properly my concentration was limited, and i was only 30.
it was then that i gave up on anything that doctors offered to treat this horrible and serious situation i had suffered since i was 17. for 13 yrs all my shrinks and doctors ever had to treat me with was CBT, medication and relaxation therapies which were pathetic against this tough disease. some doctors would say "we cant cure you but we can teach you to learn to live with the disease" forget that i wanted death.
IT was then i turned to alternative medicine. i always thought of this as stupid but i had no other choice. I was ready to end my life. i found a clinic that had doctors who were practising natural medicines as well as conventional. it was here that i learnt that alot of mental illness was caused by a physical dysfunction. Things in the body that fail which in turn cause the brain to work inefficiently. Things like your hormones which become out of balance And cause introversion and anxiety. Your gut liver and bowel need to be running perfect to be able to absorb nutrients from your food so your body can make proper use of it. If it ant extracting your amino acids then you ant going to have enough to make Neuro transmitters. For your brain. There’s is a lot more to it but that’s just the beginning.
What these doctors did for me was something that has completely transformed my life. I have my memory back. My concentration is back to normal. My confidents is almost as it was when I was 17. My memory is working. I can make conversation with people which I haven’t been able to do for so long. Its really really is becoming a life that’s worth living. I feel comfortable when I go shopping, I say things to the check out chicks where before I could never. Normally I would stand there and be very anxious. Now im carm. I smile and laugh and it ant fake anymore things are truly funny. My niece is making me laugh when before I showed no interest.
The doctors ran blood test and they took a fair bit of blood. They tested for everything. Also They also did a “complete digestive stool analysis“. Its not your regular stool test its special and its only known by these kinds of doc’s. they ran a “functional lever detoxification profile” only known to these doctors. These things are important for a normal life. You must have regular bowel movements and a strong working liver or you’ll feel like crap. also an “Organixs urine acid test” which checked for exact vitamin minerals amino acid and gut disbiosis.
Guess what they found. I had a low thyroid gland. They found I had gut disbiosis and that I was intolerant to foods that had gluten and my constant diariea I never linked to my depression. My liver also wasn’t detoxifying very efficiently anymore probably due to my getting pissed frequently. My liver was pumping out “glutathione” below that of a normal person. Leaving my body and brain free to be damaged by oxidative stress. They then finally tested me using the peiffer treatment protocol.
Treatment! I was to follow a gluten free diet. straight away they started me on thyroxine. A medication which is natural to the body and has no side effects. It completely make‘s you better and made my abnormal thinking go away. that’s if you have an under active thyroid. Thyroxine takes about 4 months to really start to work properly because it’s a hormone. They gave me a strong detox to restore both my gut/bowel and liver function and after that I could sh*t really nicely formed stools. I had never link diahriea to depression before. When I get pissed now I recover very quickly. Up by 9 or ten fairly refreshed when before I would sleep in till about 4 or 5 in the arvo. And I’d still feel like sh*t. That took 12 weeks. They gave me a multi vitamins designed for my only exact needs. Only the vitamins I was deficient in was given. now my energy was increasing and I began to feel like a race horse. I was running everywhere. I started jogging to burn off my extra energy which they encourage the exercise anyway. Then finally the pheiffer treatment protocol which has taken a lot of the remaining depression away.
Results speak for themselves wouldn’t you say. I’m no longer depressed I have a will to live now. My social phobia is forgotten about. I don’t think of that anymore and I doubt I ever really had a shy problem. Who could be social under so much stress and sickness. So I don’t think social phobia was a real disease just the result of feeling so unwell. Half of these stupid diseases I reckon are made up we just feel so crap we start to form weird behaviours. Like I said I get pissed now and im a machine the next day. Haha. Also I don’t get depressed. There ant any need to be anymore. um my energy is higher than its ever been more so than when I was a kid. I like running and its part of me now. Never done that before. My thinking is very much clearer and my brain fog is almost gone. The doctors say my head has been shaken up by all the meds and stress and that it could take a full year before I fully recover. But im excited I must admit. Im learning that helps of disease is preventable and reversible. Guys this is my story and I would love to share as much of it with you. I hope it helps you all. Like to know more just ask.
Doctors like this are scatted around all over you just got to find them. The internet is the best for this. Go to the “alternativementalhealth” website and there they have list of practitioner who do this kind of stuff. If no luck then try the “acnem” web site and do a practitioner search there under refferals. Or go to the pheiffer treatment centre read about what they do. If you like we could get online and chat sometime may be on msn. Chow.
P.S. NOW THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IVE POSTED MY STORY. i really think its important.
Posted by willyee on May 28, 2006, at 6:32:32
In reply to NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again, posted by sparky123 on May 27, 2006, at 20:29:04
Im familiar with a lot of what you spoke about,i spent a year and a half where i vowed not to read,or be part of any medication.I learned depression could range from nutrient defiency,to lactose intolerance that is appearent,to food allergies,mold,yeast,thyroid of course and many many things.
BUT that was just it,when i visited a alternative health it was soooo much i mean a million avenues to explore.
The problem with this is A and its a big one,most insurance wont cover all the tests etc,and unless you have a few bmw`s in ur garage,and i mean A FEW there is nooooo way you can afford to have these numerous tests done.In fact the average person wont be able to afford the doc visits alone,which were normaly 145 each one.
To have tested everything and do everything,go on certain diets etc that the practioner wanted me to,would have put me in the street corner,i barly afforded the one visit to him.Diets they recomend to start on are very exepensive.B Its hard to explore all these avenues when u feel like crap,its like climbing a hill with ur limbs tied.
Now im not second guessing anything the poster posted,he seems like his only objective is to offer help,but on the same note i wanna share some of the issues that make what hes saying not so simple to try.
Now if im wrong on any of this,mainly it being covered,and the cost of it all,please correct me,i really dont remeber too much it was a while ago.
Posted by blueberry on May 28, 2006, at 13:00:18
In reply to NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again, posted by sparky123 on May 27, 2006, at 20:29:04
Question for you:
What supplements do you take now?I've spent quite a bit of money, both insurance and my own, at a naturopath/psychiatrist combo office. The service I got doesn't sound as expert or throrough as yours. Mine never suggested checking gut or liver problems. They seemed focused on neurotransmitter precursors, thyroid, adrenals, vitamins and fish oil, and an assortment of herbs. They did prescribe herbs for liver function, but they never tested anything. They never evened mentioned gut problems or food allergies. I did take a food allergy test and am moderately allergic to eggs an milk, but I have heard from other people that these allergy tests are worthless, they miss things, and the only real way to find out is stop certain foods for a few weeks and then challenge them by reintroducing them again. That's the problem with naturopathy, they all have a different opinion and way of doing things. But I guess it's like that in psychopharm too.
I think finding good service is not so easy. And once you do find it, it does cost a lot of money. With an expert in this field I think it would be worth it. The problem is you never know until after you've already spent hundreds of dollars whether you are dealing with an expert or not.
It sounds like you got a real good practitioner and that great!
Posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2006, at 14:12:39
In reply to Re: NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again » sparky123, posted by blueberry on May 28, 2006, at 13:00:18
Blueberry are you on any herbs? Maybe that's why the lamictal made you suididal. Herbs can be dangerous. Love Phillipa
Posted by sparky123 on May 29, 2006, at 3:43:14
In reply to Re: NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again » blueberry, posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2006, at 14:12:39
your right i never saw it that way. i saw on the opera show that theres alot of poverty in america. 30 million people are on the minimum wage of like 5 dollars an hour. thats penuts. no wonder so many people over there work 2 jobs. And your right. These test are expensive. Also there are many avenues in this kind of treatment, so which should you go down. Which one would really work and not waste your money. I can tell you there is a clinic in america that knows what there doing.
If you were to persue such an avenue I would recommend the pfeiffer treatment center. If you read the research on it. Its got a 90% success rate. And they have treated 10’s of thousands of people just like us. Even worse than us. People who are phycotic that return to normal life. look at there website, just do a search on “Pfeiffer treatment center” then scroll down to “research studies and papers” click on it and then click on “biochemical treatment of mental illness and behaviour disorders“. they will explain how to cure these horrible diseases. If you don’t believe me just look at it. Ring them up ask questions. Prices. Forget food allergies and herbs. You need a sledge hammer to beat this and these guys know what there doing.
heres what my doctors did for me. i also had the pfeiffer treatment. i dont know if your center would do the liver and gut test but you can ask them
consultation is $160
complete digestive stool analysis $135
functional lever detoxification profile 185$
Organixs urine acid test $350
full blood test was paid by government
the pheiffer treatment test were about $500
Vitamins and alike cost maybe about 200$ a month but that’s only a short term thing. Up to a year or two till my health has repaired to support itself. My transdermal glutathione cream is the most expensive at an extra $150 a month. If you have low glutathione then you have over burden your body with bad habbits. Me was drinking heavily and smoking. Eating way to much take away. A little bit of pot. But that’s in the past except the odd binge drinkIf you guys cant afford things like this then to make it simple I would get tested and treated for the things that are painfully obvious. The best and most hardcore thing would be to have your thyroid tested. If its low then you are going to feel like absolute shite and crazy. Unable to think properly, depression anxiety and that’s just a few of the symptoms. why wait go now get tested. Testing a TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) above 5 would definitely make you underactive hence needing thyroid replacement.
In 2003 the new reading was established by the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists' recommendation to consider 3.0 the high end of the TSH range, along with other references indicating that a TSH level above 2 should be questioned.
You see most doctors arnt even aware of this new research and are still going by the old reference range of (.5 to 5.5). Read it for your self here altsupportthyroid and look under there reference range explanation.
There would be heaps of poor people getting treated with antidepressants when all they have is an underactive thyroid.. But they wouldn’t even be aware of this. Neither would there doctor. Im not saying it the professional’s are saying it. that’s partially what happen to me. I never knew I had an under active thyroid. My TSH reading was 7 when I first got tested. And when I started thyroid replacement g wiz was it helpful. My brain fog just cleared up heaps in just four months. I could remember things , people’s names and word a proper sentence. It made it easier to speak to people. Social phobia my butt. I just never had the ability to articulate my thoughts. Where as when I was younger I could. Who knows how many years I suffered with an underactive thyroid. May be you are too and don’t even know it.
Doctors treat it as a switch. Just one day you become underactive and need medication. But it ant like that. It slowly over the years begins to fail being completely missed. Only to be found when its full blown because the symptoms are so dam severe. Mean while we suffer from all kinds of mental diteoration. And the best thing they know of these days is to reach for powerful medication for our brains. No wonder we feel so crazy.
when you have thyroid antibodies that are out of control the immune system attacks your gland. ultimately distroying it eventually making you hypothyroid. if you were normal 3 years ago get checked agian now. cause may be its tipped over to the outer range.
Another obvious thing to fix is if your have constant diahrea that definitely means your digestion is not absorbing nutrients properly and it needs attention.
look i could say alot of things but would anyone really listen, i swear going back through these old reviews of what meds is best and this and that is making me feel abit icky. just the thought of thinking of mental illness brings back old memories. i think i should totally leave this behind me. guys i would do the same. give it up and find relief as soon as you can. or you'll never escape this environment. it makes you crazy.
later guys, good luck
Posted by blueberry on May 29, 2006, at 13:42:54
In reply to NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again, posted by sparky123 on May 27, 2006, at 20:29:04
Sparky123 thanks so much for sharing. I think you have rekindled my hope in the natural arena.
Question...
What supplements do you take now?
I know about the glutathione cream and the thyroid. What else? Particular vitamins? Fish oil? Any amino acids? Anything else?Thanks so much!
Posted by Declan on May 29, 2006, at 14:43:41
In reply to Re: NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again » sparky123, posted by blueberry on May 28, 2006, at 13:00:18
Immunoglobulin E can certainly be tested. (Mine should be under 50 and is around 800) Dunno about G, and whatever the other one is.
Posted by blueberry on May 29, 2006, at 18:21:17
In reply to NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again, posted by sparky123 on May 27, 2006, at 20:29:04
sparky123, you went to the Pfeiffer treatment center? Do you live there or did you travel?Did they do all the tests on one visit? I might consider something like that if they do all the tests at once, but travelling that far for multiple tests would not be feasible.
Posted by sparky123 on May 30, 2006, at 3:25:23
In reply to Re: NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again » sparky123, posted by blueberry on May 29, 2006, at 13:42:54
> Sparky123 thanks so much for sharing. I think you have rekindled my hope in the natural arena.
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> Question...
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> What supplements do you take now?
> I know about the glutathione cream and the thyroid. What else? Particular vitamins? Fish oil? Any amino acids? Anything else?
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> Thanks so much!
>well i use the cream of course twice a day.
evening primrose oil 1000 mg 3 times a day. for now then there going to switch later to something else.
vitamin c 1000mg 3 times a day
calcium and magnesium twice a day at about 2000mg cal and 1000mg magthen on top there is the pfeiffer treatment which is made up at the compounding chemist
100 mg zinc picolinate
50 mg pyridoxine-5-phosphate
100 mg pyridoxine hydrochloride
they also mix there own combo of antioxidants
the chemist said to me that these are the most absorbing kind of vitamins there not common to the average health food shop. at last not in australia they ant.
but you people in america i dont know.im also told to avoid gluten. which i realy wish i didnt have too.
cya people
Posted by sparky123 on May 30, 2006, at 4:13:36
In reply to Re: Pfeiffer questions » sparky123, posted by blueberry on May 29, 2006, at 18:21:17
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> sparky123, you went to the Pfeiffer treatment center? Do you live there or did you travel?
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> Did they do all the tests on one visit? I might consider something like that if they do all the tests at once, but travelling that far for multiple tests would not be feasible.the pfeiffer treatment has been avialable in australia for 3 years now. you guys in america have had it for ages. i travel about an hour away to get treated. and yes im going back an forth but i think the center in america does phone consultations.
to be clear i went once and the doctor sent me off for testing. then i went back for the results and he prescribed the vitamins. i go back once a month for progress check ups. soon i think there going to test me again to see what my levels are up to. so yes they did all the test at once.
check this out. this is the australian version of the pfeiffer treatment center.go to safelabs dot com dot au or do a search for safe analytical laboratories in australia. that pathology does pfeiffer testing for us aussies. read there section on the test called "URINARY PYRROLE ANALYSIS" theres about 3 pages on it and they mention how this treatment has a higher success rate then any availiable pharmasutical treatment. 60 to 80 persent success. man you be the judge cause i was so fed up with conventional medicine.
it made me crazy. i never had such bizare thinking till the meds came along then i just became weird. so ill never go down that path again.
i would if one worked but none ever did. i do think nardil would have kicked butt. but that too has side effect. and i noticed when ever i got off the medications i would go through this extreme low. lower than anything ever i new existed. and i didnt even link it to the medication. i just thought i was that sick that i needed to go back on the stuff. the last time i was so pissed off i just stopped forever and it took a long time for the withdrawals to fade. but at least i wasnt thinking crazy. i was just my old depressed shy self again. then from there i worked on solving my probs without the help of the shrinks.
we ant mad to begin with. its the meds. well thats how i see it. may be others are diferent.
when i was alone i tested my social skills and i noticed i could nt put a good story together or a decent sentence together. my memory wasnt working very well nore was my concentration. thats why i get anxious and become nervous in social settings. because i didnt have these important tools. you cant expect to relax in those settings man.
look may be what i say dont make sense but it make good sense to me. i still ant 100% on the concentration but i reckon it will return. becuase ive already gained so much back its exciting to see how much more i can acheave.
"garynull dot com" listen to hes radio program online. he talks alot about mental health and has some shows just on that subject alone. theres an archive of all his shows this year. his worth a listen. i think his a proffessor in natural medicine. his a new yorker.
cya
Posted by blueberry on May 30, 2006, at 6:04:11
In reply to Re: Pfeiffer questions, posted by sparky123 on May 30, 2006, at 4:13:36
Sparky123, thanks for your response. Very interesting stuff.
I've been reading over the vast amount of material at pfeiffer's website. All the stuff about low histamine, high histamine, over-methylated, under-methylated, copper overload, toxic overload, pyroluria...makes so much sense. I could see myself described perfectly in some of those descriptions.
I go to see my psychiatrist today, who works in partnership with a naturopath in the same office. I am going to ask her why we have never checked these things, other than toxic metals (I have elevated mercury and lead) and that I'm thinking of going to pfeiffer. I mean, even though the naturopath can do all the tests for me, I'm not sure he would know what supplements to prescribe or what doses to prescribe, and he has no way of putting together a custom vitamin.
I like the part that they do suggest meds and they also strive to get you off of them or to lower doses, that each patient is unique.
They suggest staying on current meds and allowing the custom nutrient program to kick in.Pfeiffer is a plane trip and a hotel stay for me. Compared to a lifetime of hit-and-miss meds and side effects, that actually sounds like a reasonable and quick option. I could spend the same amount of money on meds and a psychiatrist in a two month period and be no better off for it.
Posted by sparky123 on May 30, 2006, at 6:17:33
In reply to Re: NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again » sparky123, posted by blueberry on May 29, 2006, at 13:42:54
i mentioned in a previous post that you got to avoid herbalist and alike. you need to seek the people who are really dealing with really sick people to get results so you dont waste your precious cash.
heres an idea to avoid time/money wasters in the natural industry and get to the serious people.
if you go to the alternativementalhealth website, choose find a practitioner. then choose more search options. pick pactitioners who treat psycotic patients. youll get a big list of practioners in the US.
do the same on the acnem website thought i never tried it there.
my idea is that these doctors really know how to treat the worst kinds of disease. they ant natropaths they are full on the big guns.
it would even be affordable for you to give some of them a call and ask questions. how do they treat mental illness? whats there success rate? how much would the end result cost? do people give up on there treatment mid point or early( cause would'nt that indicate what there doing wasnt helping).
i dont know these are just things i was thinking about. good luck i wish you the best.
Posted by sparky123 on May 30, 2006, at 6:41:00
In reply to Re: Pfeiffer questions » sparky123, posted by blueberry on May 30, 2006, at 6:04:11
blueberry i really hope the best of luck for you. you sound like a very nice person. you all do.
i wonder what your doc would say when you mention the pfeiffer clinic to him. i hope he contacts them too so he can learn about it. any way im writing to much.
me off till next time. chow
Posted by blueberry on May 30, 2006, at 17:07:06
In reply to Re: NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again, posted by sparky123 on May 30, 2006, at 6:17:33
Hi Sparky123, my doctor pretty much discounted my inquiries about histamine, methylation, copper, and pyroluria. She said what I need is to eat more and I need more serotonin. Not exactly big guns. Anyway, I did send off the health form to pfeiffer today. No idea where it might lead.
Posted by Questionmark on May 30, 2006, at 18:07:08
In reply to Re: NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again, posted by sparky123 on May 30, 2006, at 3:25:23
i'm sorry to be skeptical, but the only special things you seemed to have done through this treatment are to start thyroid medication, avoid gluten, and use glutathione cream. The thyroid medication itself is enough to make a considerable difference if one has hypothyroidism. i do wonder how much impact that keeping a gluten-free diet can have for one who should, though.
But unless they were able to determine through those tests that gluten is significantly detrimental to you, then it really doesn't seem like their treatment is that big of a deal.
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Primrose oil is easy to get and i doubt it would have any profound or fully noticeable benefits.
Zinc picolinate is also easy to find (at least here in the states), and although the pyridoxal-5-phosphate is fairly difficult to obtain in my experience, it is quite possible to if you look around, and i don't think it's even more absorbable than the pyrodoxine form of B-6. Also, alot of people should already be aware anyway that Zinc (picolinate), B-6, and Vitamin C, calcium, and magnesium are good nutrients to take for mental health. i take each of those except for calcium, as well as other B vitamins, selenium, vitamin E, and beta-carotene. i've never noticed any difference either. For those things to contribute to such a vast improvement is unlikely, to me.
i'm not saying i don't believe you or don't appreciate the suggestions. i'm just skeptical that it's worth it to spend that many hundreds of dollars for somebody to tell you to correct a hypothyroid condition (which should be tested by any dr. anyway, if you show any possible signs) and to prescribe you some run-of-the-mill nutrients. And i'd like someone to convince me that this Pfeiffer place is more than i'm making it out to be-- and really is effective. And i'll look into those sites you gave sometime too. But for now it sounds like it's a little too good to be true for most people.
Hope i'm wrong.> well i use the cream of course twice a day.
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> evening primrose oil 1000 mg 3 times a day. for now then there going to switch later to something else.
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> vitamin c 1000mg 3 times a day
> calcium and magnesium twice a day at about 2000mg cal and 1000mg mag
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> then on top there is the pfeiffer treatment which is made up at the compounding chemist
> 100 mg zinc picolinate
> 50 mg pyridoxine-5-phosphate
> 100 mg pyridoxine hydrochloride
> they also mix there own combo of antioxidants
> the chemist said to me that these are the most absorbing kind of vitamins there not common to the average health food shop. at last not in australia they ant.
> but you people in america i dont know.
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> im also told to avoid gluten. which i realy wish i didnt have too.
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> cya people
Posted by CEK on May 30, 2006, at 22:50:40
In reply to Re: I don't want to go to the hospital..., posted by sparky123 on May 27, 2006, at 19:52:28
Wasn't this expensive? How much did it cost you to have them run all these tests and what about office visits? I know insurance doesn't pay for alternative treatments, yet my insurance doesn't pay much for any mental health treatments anyway. I've read different things on the internet that was about curing your body of these problems naturally, but I've only just started trying some of them. Did you have to stop all of your meds when you started this program? Thanks for your info, CEK
Posted by sparky123 on May 30, 2006, at 22:54:54
In reply to Re: I don't want to go to the hospital... » sparky123, posted by CEK on May 29, 2006, at 13:52:29
scroll down to my thread i started and read it. it would answer those questions."NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again sparky123 5/27/06"
later dude
Posted by sparky123 on May 31, 2006, at 3:53:00
In reply to Re: NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again » sparky123, posted by Questionmark on May 30, 2006, at 18:07:08
Yeah your right the thyroid made a massive diference. a lot of people suffering from depression have an underactive thyroid and they ant aware of it. If you read more in-depth you’ll see there is heaps of arguing amongst our specialist whether this is true or not. Ive read tonnes on the net and many many books and im convinced people are wrongly diagnosed a fair bit of the time. It ant switch on its progressed over time. They’ll miss it and the symptoms are just the same as a variety of mental health conditions. They will reach for the AD’s first.
If you read about gluten intolerance youll learn that this is enough to make people completely mad. Dude if you wanted you could read about gluten intolerance and see how much it wreaks havoc on ones life.The whole idea here is to test for the nutrients that you specifically lack. Or don’t have anymore. Zinc is really important for brain function also for the immune system. I was the bottom 10% of the population for zinc. Low zinc and you have out of control copper. Now that may not seem like a big deal to you nor any of the stuff I do but at least you should read the info I provided before dissing it.
Theres more too I don’t digest starches so I take vegetable enzymes, I have disbiosis and they found one breed of good bacterial in my gut was non exsistant. So I take stuff for that. I also have an imparment of ammonia clearance.
Zinc piolinate was the only absorbable kind and it ant in many shops here and if you do find it its in a minute amount or combind with other nutrients. I needed 100mg to balance my levels and that range for the lay person of a very absorbable kind of zinc is damaging to ones health. You can only go a few months before it becomes toxic. But not for someone who lacks it.
The 2 different forms of b6 are the only kinds that I know of. They ant special but the brain needs b6 its very important. Nutrients work very slow they ant powerful like drugs. You have to be patient to see results so not many people will believe there effectiveness.
Not to mention it’s the whole thing all together. The thyroid the cream the nutrients the detox and the diet. So far.
But mate like I said. For me I will never go back to conventional medicine. They hurt me to much mentally. Ive lost so much. There drugs are pathetic seriously. I tried a few and ill tell ya they may work a little in the beginning. But after that they will start to cause you harm. Problems with memory and concentration. Dude I need that for my old age and there taking it away when im only a young man.
Theres no normalcy in that. Ive read that pharmasuticals are the second biggest business in the world behind arm’s. that’s trillions and they ant going to side tract and start adopting cheap nutrient therapy’s when they can sell meds for a huge profit. I reckon they ant looking for any cures , only better treatments. Why would they give away there billions or trillions for a cure. Im sure there some on the top 30 companies stock exchange and if your that big you cant afford to go backwards for a dam cure. The doctors believe them. The politicians believe them. The people believe them. it’s a vicious circle that is getting out of hand. There so convincing with there marketing.Time magazine mention that mental illness was 1 in 1000 in the 1950’s. now its 1 in 4.
Correct me if im wrong. But I hear that you americans are bombarded with advertising for sickness. “if you suffer from 3 or more of these symptoms you may have adult ADHD” “you may have depression or anxiety” you may have ocd or this or that. Man there taking normal behaviour and turning into something abnormal. Then you try the drugs and you get side effects and withdrawals and actually begin to believe that these meds are really what you need. Its cruel and its all for profit. that’s how I see it. Where all different.I hope I don’t get a bad review by you guys, I am a bit extreme with this.
I could go on and on about this crap but I have to stop. Away from the crazy world. besides ive got to go to the toilet and im busting. lol
you can believe it or not but once ive gone black. I ant never ever going back.
LaterP.S. If you havnt already done so. Get your thyroid tested . If nothing then have another test done later on if you still getting worse.
Posted by Questionmark on June 26, 2006, at 14:01:43
In reply to Re: NARDIL couldnt get.i was suicidal now normal again, posted by sparky123 on May 31, 2006, at 3:53:00
You made some very good points. Yeah, you're right, i can see how a therapeutic practice like that of Pfeiffer could be quite beneficial. That's excellent. S'just too bad it wasn't less expensive and more available.
Anyway, thanks for your response. Take care.> Yeah your right the thyroid made a massive diference. a lot of people suffering from depression have an underactive thyroid and they ant aware of it. If you read more in-depth you’ll see there is heaps of arguing amongst our specialist whether this is true or not. Ive read tonnes on the net and many many books and im convinced people are wrongly diagnosed a fair bit of the time. It ant switch on its progressed over time. They’ll miss it and the symptoms are just the same as a variety of mental health conditions. They will reach for the AD’s first.
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> If you read about gluten intolerance youll learn that this is enough to make people completely mad. Dude if you wanted you could read about gluten intolerance and see how much it wreaks havoc on ones life.
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> The whole idea here is to test for the nutrients that you specifically lack. Or don’t have anymore. Zinc is really important for brain function also for the immune system. I was the bottom 10% of the population for zinc. Low zinc and you have out of control copper. Now that may not seem like a big deal to you nor any of the stuff I do but at least you should read the info I provided before dissing it.
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> Theres more too I don’t digest starches so I take vegetable enzymes, I have disbiosis and they found one breed of good bacterial in my gut was non exsistant. So I take stuff for that. I also have an imparment of ammonia clearance.
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> Zinc piolinate was the only absorbable kind and it ant in many shops here and if you do find it its in a minute amount or combind with other nutrients. I needed 100mg to balance my levels and that range for the lay person of a very absorbable kind of zinc is damaging to ones health. You can only go a few months before it becomes toxic. But not for someone who lacks it.
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> The 2 different forms of b6 are the only kinds that I know of. They ant special but the brain needs b6 its very important. Nutrients work very slow they ant powerful like drugs. You have to be patient to see results so not many people will believe there effectiveness.
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> Not to mention it’s the whole thing all together. The thyroid the cream the nutrients the detox and the diet. So far.
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> But mate like I said. For me I will never go back to conventional medicine. They hurt me to much mentally. Ive lost so much. There drugs are pathetic seriously. I tried a few and ill tell ya they may work a little in the beginning. But after that they will start to cause you harm. Problems with memory and concentration. Dude I need that for my old age and there taking it away when im only a young man.
> Theres no normalcy in that. Ive read that pharmasuticals are the second biggest business in the world behind arm’s. that’s trillions and they ant going to side tract and start adopting cheap nutrient therapy’s when they can sell meds for a huge profit. I reckon they ant looking for any cures , only better treatments. Why would they give away there billions or trillions for a cure. Im sure there some on the top 30 companies stock exchange and if your that big you cant afford to go backwards for a dam cure. The doctors believe them. The politicians believe them. The people believe them. it’s a vicious circle that is getting out of hand. There so convincing with there marketing.
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> Time magazine mention that mental illness was 1 in 1000 in the 1950’s. now its 1 in 4.
> Correct me if im wrong. But I hear that you americans are bombarded with advertising for sickness. “if you suffer from 3 or more of these symptoms you may have adult ADHD” “you may have depression or anxiety” you may have ocd or this or that. Man there taking normal behaviour and turning into something abnormal. Then you try the drugs and you get side effects and withdrawals and actually begin to believe that these meds are really what you need. Its cruel and its all for profit. that’s how I see it. Where all different.
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> I hope I don’t get a bad review by you guys, I am a bit extreme with this.
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> I could go on and on about this crap but I have to stop. Away from the crazy world. besides ive got to go to the toilet and im busting. lol
> you can believe it or not but once ive gone black. I ant never ever going back.
> Later
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> P.S. If you havnt already done so. Get your thyroid tested . If nothing then have another test done later on if you still getting worse.
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