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Posted by saturn on April 29, 2006, at 19:42:54
Could someone please compare them in terms of peripheral activation?
Posted by saturn on April 29, 2006, at 20:01:58
In reply to peripheral stim: desoxyn vs ritalin vs provigil, posted by saturn on April 29, 2006, at 19:42:54
Posted by Paulbwell on April 30, 2006, at 3:50:31
In reply to peripheral stim: desoxyn vs ritalin vs provigil, posted by saturn on April 29, 2006, at 19:42:54
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> Could someone please compare them in terms of peripheral activation?
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>Don't be a stupid f*ck. No, one gets scriped medical Desoxyn (Desoxyl Hcl) unless they have taken it for years---
-Ritalin-OK
-Adderall-OK
-Dexedrine-ok.
Desoxyn-F*ck man, you gotta have a case history behind you-ok?Thnaks
Posted by gardenergirl on April 30, 2006, at 12:20:47
In reply to Re: peripheral stim: desoxyn vs ritalin vs provigil » saturn, posted by Paulbwell on April 30, 2006, at 3:50:31
> Don't be a stupid f*ckPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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gg acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Racer on April 30, 2006, at 12:24:45
In reply to Re: peripheral stim: desoxyn vs ritalin vs provigil » saturn, posted by Paulbwell on April 30, 2006, at 3:50:31
I'm not a deputy, so this doesn't have any official weight, but please don't post anything that could make someone feel put down. I know that I would feel put down if someone wrote that to me. This board is for support and education -- and there are more supportive ways to explain about restrictions on Desoxyn.
If you have any questions, the civility guidelines are explained on the FAQ, at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Again, I'm not a deputy, but I know that Dr Bob allows other posters to remind people, so I'm reminding you.
Posted by Racer on April 30, 2006, at 12:49:17
In reply to Please be civil » Paulbwell, posted by gardenergirl on April 30, 2006, at 12:20:47
Posted by notfred on April 30, 2006, at 14:13:23
In reply to peripheral stim: desoxyn vs ritalin vs provigil, posted by saturn on April 29, 2006, at 19:42:54
For me, ritalin has the most; desoxyn/dexadrine in the middle and providil has the least.
Posted by saturn on April 30, 2006, at 17:09:52
In reply to Please consider the civility guidelines » Paulbwell, posted by Racer on April 30, 2006, at 12:24:45
Posted by saturn on April 30, 2006, at 17:11:07
In reply to Please be civil » Paulbwell, posted by gardenergirl on April 30, 2006, at 12:20:47
Posted by saturn on April 30, 2006, at 17:13:21
In reply to Re: peripheral stim: desoxyn vs ritalin vs provigi, posted by notfred on April 30, 2006, at 14:13:23
> For me, ritalin has the most; desoxyn/dexadrine in the middle and providil has the least.
Thanks. May I ask how you find Provigil both in terms of mental and physical effects?
--sat
Posted by Paulbwell on April 30, 2006, at 21:51:46
In reply to Re: peripheral stim: desoxyn vs ritalin vs provigi, posted by notfred on April 30, 2006, at 14:13:23
Hi Ya PB's!!I was VERY tired/asleep when i posted my response, which seems to have drawn a response from some.
I'm sorry if what I posted, upset some, truely PB's, you guys here are "the bomb" and I would NEVER want to upset-ANYONE, OK?!!!!!!!!!!!!.
"For me, ritalin has the most; desoxyn/dexadrine in the middle and providil has the least"- NOTFRED.So you have taken Rit, Dex, and Desoxyn?-would you mind commenting on how that came about? and what dose you are, scripted?
Cheers dude:)
Paul
Cheers, ya all!!!
Have fun ok!!
Posted by gardenergirl on April 30, 2006, at 22:42:34
In reply to SORRY ya'll, to any I offended. +message:)-notfred, posted by Paulbwell on April 30, 2006, at 21:51:46
Posted by Paulbwell on April 30, 2006, at 23:15:09
In reply to Thanks (nm) » Paulbwell, posted by gardenergirl on April 30, 2006, at 22:42:34
Hi ya!!
Sweet as.
peace to all here, and good health to all!!
God bless.
Paul
Posted by med_empowered on May 1, 2006, at 11:31:14
In reply to Re: Thanks-Gardengirl, posted by Paulbwell on April 30, 2006, at 23:15:09
You don't **have** to have years of use behind you to take Desoxyn. With the meth scare, its increasingly uncommon for it to be used, but...it still happens, now and then. From the few people I've actually known who take it, it seems to be common for people who need stimulation, don't have a history of addiction, and have promising results with adderall or dexedrine but w/ unwanted side effects. Plus, where I live its regularly used in former street meth users, kind of like using methadone in heroin users.
Posted by Paulbwell on May 1, 2006, at 23:30:30
In reply to Desoxyn RXing, posted by med_empowered on May 1, 2006, at 11:31:14
"You don't **have** to have years of use behind you to take Desoxyn. With the meth scare, its increasingly uncommon for it to be used, but...it still happens,"
Maybe` but-USUALLY- one HAS to have a WELL DOCUMENTED history with the 'other' ADD/HD meds to begin a script with Desoxyn,I know you and I agree about one thing.
Docter/Specialist, scrrip 'Desoxyn' is one of the rarest and lest scripted medications around.
Cheers
Posted by curtm on May 2, 2006, at 14:02:38
In reply to Re: peripheral stim: desoxyn vs ritalin vs provigil » saturn, posted by Paulbwell on April 30, 2006, at 3:50:31
It's di-methyl amphetamine hydrochloride u-stpdfk
Posted by gardenergirl on May 2, 2006, at 16:35:43
In reply to Re: peripheral stim: desoxyn vs ritalin vs provigil » Paulbwell, posted by curtm on May 2, 2006, at 14:02:38
> u-stpdfk
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Thanks,
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Posted by curtm on May 2, 2006, at 16:48:40
In reply to Please be civil » curtm, posted by gardenergirl on May 2, 2006, at 16:35:43
I'm sorry. It is a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR TRIGGER for me to go off when I see someone like "whats his name" preying on innocent individuals. I actually had to leave for a while because I was so fuming mad. That person doesn't realize that their comments affect more than just the person they were initially directed at. I knew someone would be coming after me right after I sent it, but I couldn't take it back. LU GG
Posted by utopizen on May 4, 2006, at 11:51:00
In reply to Re: Desoxyn RXing » med_empowered, posted by Paulbwell on May 1, 2006, at 23:30:30
> I know you and I agree about one thing.
>
> Docter/Specialist, scrrip 'Desoxyn' is one of the rarest and lest scripted medications around.
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> CheersThere's absolutely no published literature in any peer-reviewed journal that has ever documented the therpeutic disadvantages for prescribing Desoxyn.
Unlike anti-epillepsy drugs, where there's "first-line" and "second-line," psychostimulants do not have this.
This is purely anecdotal, and is not based on any rational practice whatsoever.
My doctor prescribes me Desoxyn, and I asked if I could try Dexederine (I was curious, 'cause I hadn't had it in a couple of years).
He said, "Sure, if you want to switch."
I said, "Well, why is it less popular these days?"
He said, "Back when your parents went to school, Dexedrine had a reputation as a very abused drug. But it's really just like any amphetamine. They're all abusable."
He also said it's the same rationale for why Klonopin is prescribed over Valium. Doctors don't like to use brand names that family members will know anything about.
I like Desoxyn, because it's only in brand name, so no one, not even my parents, has any clue what I even use it for, or whether it is an antidepressant or an antihistamine or another version of Sudafed =)
Posted by alohashirt on May 4, 2006, at 21:31:38
In reply to Re: Desoxyn RXing, posted by utopizen on May 4, 2006, at 11:51:00
Here's the thing. Paul, and a couple of others have suggested that desoxyn is a superior stimulant, and is less "periphirally exciting" I would imagine that desoxyn and dexedrine are similarly stigmatized yet dexedrine is clearly more commonly prescribed. My doctor tells me there is no research supporting the idea that desoxyn is more effective and that his own experience with patients has not supported that idea.
If there is a consistent positive advantage I would expect that to be apparent. So what gives?>
> > I know you and I agree about one thing.
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> > Docter/Specialist, scrrip 'Desoxyn' is one of the rarest and lest scripted medications around.
> >
> > Cheers
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> There's absolutely no published literature in any peer-reviewed journal that has ever documented the therpeutic disadvantages for prescribing Desoxyn.
>
> Unlike anti-epillepsy drugs, where there's "first-line" and "second-line," psychostimulants do not have this.
>
> This is purely anecdotal, and is not based on any rational practice whatsoever.
>
> My doctor prescribes me Desoxyn, and I asked if I could try Dexederine (I was curious, 'cause I hadn't had it in a couple of years).
>
> He said, "Sure, if you want to switch."
>
> I said, "Well, why is it less popular these days?"
>
> He said, "Back when your parents went to school, Dexedrine had a reputation as a very abused drug. But it's really just like any amphetamine. They're all abusable."
>
> He also said it's the same rationale for why Klonopin is prescribed over Valium. Doctors don't like to use brand names that family members will know anything about.
>
> I like Desoxyn, because it's only in brand name, so no one, not even my parents, has any clue what I even use it for, or whether it is an antidepressant or an antihistamine or another version of Sudafed =)
>
>
Posted by Declan on May 5, 2006, at 0:47:26
In reply to Re: Desoxyn RXing, posted by alohashirt on May 4, 2006, at 21:31:38
Posted by Paulbwell on May 8, 2006, at 18:24:45
In reply to Re: Desoxyn RXing, posted by alohashirt on May 4, 2006, at 21:31:38
> Here's the thing. Paul, and a couple of others have suggested that desoxyn is a superior stimulant, and is less "periphirally exciting" I would imagine that desoxyn and dexedrine are similarly stigmatized yet dexedrine is clearly more commonly prescribed. My doctor tells me there is no research supporting the idea that desoxyn is more effective and that his own experience with patients has not supported that idea.
> If there is a consistent positive advantage I would expect that to be apparent. So what gives?
Hi Ya!I know your extensive use/knowledge on ADD/HD so i bow to your experience here.
Desoxyn, "My doctor tells me there is no research supporting the idea that desoxyn is more effective and that his own experience with patients has not supported that idea."--
Perhaps Aloha, but Desoxyn-being Dextromethlamphetamine Hcl has a clear advantage over ALL the other stims, it SEEMS to be the best med for Narcolepsy, as in keeping these folk awake, no surprise here considering the media hysteria.
Dexedrine may? and i have read is more euphoric?, BUT your MMY.
Some folks find ritalin, etc inferior to the mighty Desoxyn, a comparison from users of Script methamphetamine:
From katherine:
"Hello, it is a large dose, yes, I've been taking it for almost 10 years, and I would be unable to take it without a doctor's approval, as you no doubt are already aware.
I have taken all of the other meds you inquire about, and find the major difference to be that all of the others gave me serious irritability (I mean REALLY) and perverted sensory process (i.e.- bad taste in mouth, funny hearing fog). Too, none of them really worked well in as many areas as Desoxyn. Adderall helped a bit with focus, but I didn't really have any will to do anything, whereas Methyliphenidate made me ready to do something but unable to figure out just what it was I meant to do, if you know what I mean. Dexedrine just made me want to kill myself whenever someone spoke to me, so I quit that pretty quickly.
Desoxyn is very very helpful to me, although I can't recommend it for everyone for the same reasons I can't take any of the other meds out there, which are that everyone's brain is different and everyone has different needs from their medication... for me it provides focus, long term concentration, a bit of energy, and a mitigation of anxiety (which last is a result of severe symptoms, which I have when un-medicated), and very few side effects. Actually, none. For the first couple of years I had some dry mouth and a tiny tremor (off and on, as I titrated the dosage), but those are long gone.
- Katharine
From Info on Wikapedia:
"Further, because the secondary effects of methamphetamine are least among the amphetamine-class stimulants or methylphenidate but the highest degree of primary effectiveness (i.e., most effective at enhancing concentration and decreasing distractibility, with the least occurrence of side effects), Desoxyn can be useful for patients who find other medications ineffective or for whom the side effects of such other medications are too severe.
The greater primary effectiveness of Desoxyn is believed to be caused by the extra methyl group of methamphetamine which is lacking in basic amphetamine, which may increase the solubility of methamphetamine in lipids (and therefore be more deeply and thoroughly absorbed into the fatty tissue of the brain).
Cheers
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