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Re: 11th day

Posted by jetcity10 on April 20, 2006, at 19:32:15

In reply to 11th day, posted by RobertDavid on April 17, 2006, at 15:08:56

I just started Emsam yesterday. I was curious as to whether you have found the best time of day to apply the patch? Also I have noticed a mild side effect of mild orthostatic hypotention.

 

Re: Switching to EMSAM from Effexor

Posted by Donna Louise on April 20, 2006, at 21:36:04

In reply to Re: Switching to EMSAM from Effexor Donna Louise, posted by linkadge on April 20, 2006, at 8:05:00

> Swiching from effexor to emsam might not be that easy. The ratio of effect on serotonin to catecholamines is likely much higher with effexor, so it is possible to be experiencing side effects related to serotonergic withdrawl for a little while.
>
> To be honest, it might even take a few weeks for you to know what is emsam and what is effexor withdrawl.

I am not sure what you are saying, Link, but it doesn't sound like fun. But it is good to know what to expect. Do you think the ratio thing of which you speak makes it dangerous to wait only a week before starting the patch? I can live with side effects and withdrawals but I can't live with dying....at least I still have a little sense of humor.
thanks for your talking to me.

Donna
>
> Linkadge
>

 

Re: 11th day jetcity10

Posted by RobertDavid on April 20, 2006, at 22:24:32

In reply to Re: 11th day, posted by jetcity10 on April 20, 2006, at 19:32:15

> I just started Emsam yesterday. I was curious as to whether you have found the best time of day to apply the patch? Also I have noticed a mild side effect of mild orthostatic hypotention.


I put it on every morning after I take a shower. Though they say to put it on at the same time each day I'm not exact about it, just put it on before noon each day.

How noticable is your standing low blood pressure? Hopefully that will just be a side effect that goes away after your body adjusts. How else are you feeling? What are you taking it for? Are you taking any other meds?

Today is my 14th day. I just continually keep feeling better. I'm not having any side effect issues, just improved mood, energy, mental clarity. I'm also feeling more outgoing, less anxiety. I hope you have a similar response. Please post how you do and good luck! Rob

 

Re: 11th day

Posted by jetcity10 on April 21, 2006, at 0:07:45

In reply to Re: 11th day jetcity10, posted by RobertDavid on April 20, 2006, at 22:24:32

> I put it on every morning after I take a shower. Though they say to put it on at the same time each day I'm not exact about it, just put it on before noon each day.
>
> How noticable is your standing low blood pressure? Hopefully that will just be a side effect that goes away after your body adjusts. How else are you feeling? What are you taking it for? Are you taking any other meds?
>
> Today is my 14th day. I just continually keep feeling better. I'm not having any side effect issues, just improved mood, energy, mental clarity. I'm also feeling more outgoing, less anxiety. I hope you have a similar response. Please post how you do and good luck! Rob

Thanks for the info as well as your earlier posts. Your posts have been encouraging and have given me hope during this transitional process. There is very little info available on Emsam and both my doc and the pharmacist want me to tell them all I can.

I had been doing the morning thing but I was unsure if it would be better or worse to take it in the evenings depending on which side effects one might want to avoid. Though theoretically with the patch, that is probably moot.

I am also on Klonipin (1.5mg) in the evenings to help with sleep and two cardiac meds for "inappropriate sinus tachycardia". I am taking the psych meds primarily for "suicidal ideation". Due, it is felt, to moderate to major depression and fairly significant anxiety.

I have tried just about everything else through the years with little success and lots of side-effects. I am a little concerned that I may be developing some cardiac side effects but since I have a history of cardiac issues it is hard to tell if this is something new or just regular/irregular cardiac irregularity. Theoretically Emsam is not contraindicated with my cardiac meds and I would be really ticked to have to stop after forking over the $200 not covered by my insurance. But I am still willing to be patient and to wait and see. I have had orthostatic hypotension with mutiple meds in the past and it is something I can deal with (as long as I don't stand up to quickly and pass out in public). I will keep an eye on it- luckily I used to work in the emergency medical field in my younger years.

Thanks again.

 

Re: 11th day jetcity10

Posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 1:13:03

In reply to Re: 11th day, posted by jetcity10 on April 21, 2006, at 0:07:45

> I had been doing the morning thing but I was unsure if it would be better or worse to take it in the evenings depending on which side effects one might want to avoid. Though theoretically with the patch, that is probably moot.
>
> I am also on Klonipin (1.5mg) in the evenings to help with sleep and two cardiac meds for "inappropriate sinus tachycardia". I am taking the psych meds primarily for "suicidal ideation". Due, it is felt, to moderate to major depression and fairly significant anxiety.
>
> I have tried just about everything else through the years with little success and lots of side-effects. I am a little concerned that I may be developing some cardiac side effects but since I have a history of cardiac issues it is hard to tell if this is something new or just regular/irregular cardiac irregularity. Theoretically Emsam is not contraindicated with my cardiac meds and I would be really ticked to have to stop after forking over the $200 not covered by my insurance. But I am still willing to be patient and to wait and see. I have had orthostatic hypotension with mutiple meds in the past and it is something I can deal with (as long as I don't stand up to quickly and pass out in public). I will keep an eye on it- luckily I used to work in the emergency medical field in my younger years.
>
> Thanks again.


Thanks for the info. Sounds like the standing low blood pressure issue is not out of the ordinary for you. And if there aren't drug interactions which appears to be the case it would seem you may get past that or hopefully at worst it will be a minor issue.

As far as when is best to put it on, like you said, I'm not sure it matters as it's supposed to trickle steadily for 24 hours, I just like putting it on in the morning. It's just part of my routine now, I think nothing of it.

There are a few people I know personally that are not here on psycho babble that have started taking it without side effect issues, though no conclusions can be made after just a few days. But for me, 2 weeks out, I'm getting more and more convinced it's my answer. I've never felt so good, motivated, happy.

I'm very intersested in hearing how you're doing and am hopeful that you'll start to feel better. Please keep posting how you're doing, many here need feedback from you and others.

I wish you the best of luck! Rob

 

Re: 11th day RobertDavid

Posted by Crazy Horse on April 21, 2006, at 8:39:33

In reply to Re: 11th day jetcity10, posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 1:13:03

> > I had been doing the morning thing but I was unsure if it would be better or worse to take it in the evenings depending on which side effects one might want to avoid. Though theoretically with the patch, that is probably moot.
> >
> > I am also on Klonipin (1.5mg) in the evenings to help with sleep and two cardiac meds for "inappropriate sinus tachycardia". I am taking the psych meds primarily for "suicidal ideation". Due, it is felt, to moderate to major depression and fairly significant anxiety.
> >
> > I have tried just about everything else through the years with little success and lots of side-effects. I am a little concerned that I may be developing some cardiac side effects but since I have a history of cardiac issues it is hard to tell if this is something new or just regular/irregular cardiac irregularity. Theoretically Emsam is not contraindicated with my cardiac meds and I would be really ticked to have to stop after forking over the $200 not covered by my insurance. But I am still willing to be patient and to wait and see. I have had orthostatic hypotension with mutiple meds in the past and it is something I can deal with (as long as I don't stand up to quickly and pass out in public). I will keep an eye on it- luckily I used to work in the emergency medical field in my younger years.
> >
> > Thanks again.
>
>
> Thanks for the info. Sounds like the standing low blood pressure issue is not out of the ordinary for you. And if there aren't drug interactions which appears to be the case it would seem you may get past that or hopefully at worst it will be a minor issue.
>
> As far as when is best to put it on, like you said, I'm not sure it matters as it's supposed to trickle steadily for 24 hours, I just like putting it on in the morning. It's just part of my routine now, I think nothing of it.
>
> There are a few people I know personally that are not here on psycho babble that have started taking it without side effect issues, though no conclusions can be made after just a few days. But for me, 2 weeks out, I'm getting more and more convinced it's my answer. I've never felt so good, motivated, happy.
>
> I'm very intersested in hearing how you're doing and am hopeful that you'll start to feel better. Please keep posting how you're doing, many here need feedback from you and others.
>
> I wish you the best of luck! Rob

Hi Rob,
I just wanted to tell you that i am very happy for you. :) Your story is similar to mine with Parnate. It's a breath of fresh air to see someone like you doing so well on EMSAM...I think, like me, and many others here, you have suffered way too much, and way too long! Isn't it nice to finally feel GOOD!? You have been an inspiration to so many hopeless people here..I particular like what you wrote to Phillipa yesterday. Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS, keep up the good work, and may God continue to bless the "New Rob" on EMSAM! :)

Monte

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early??

Posted by pederspd on April 21, 2006, at 9:05:20

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early?? RobertDavid, posted by Sarah T. on April 15, 2006, at 3:59:41

I am glad to see that people are doing well on Emsam. I was in a clinical trial for it almost 6 years ago and have been waiting for it to finally become available. During the 1st week of the trial I felt normal for the first time in my life. My only side effect was heartburn. All other anti-depressants had never worked and gave me horrible side effects. I received my prescription yesterday and am looking to have it filled in the Chicago area. CVS told me that they may have it in 3 or 4 months! My local Costco doesn't have it yet. I appreciate the name and number of the pharmacy in CA. I will order from there if I have to. Has anyone found a place to fill it in this area?

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early?? pederspd

Posted by Donna Louise on April 21, 2006, at 9:41:54

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early??, posted by pederspd on April 21, 2006, at 9:05:20

> I am glad to see that people are doing well on Emsam. I was in a clinical trial for it almost 6 years ago and have been waiting for it to finally become available. During the 1st week of the trial I felt normal for the first time in my life. My only side effect was heartburn. All other anti-depressants had never worked and gave me horrible side effects. I received my prescription yesterday and am looking to have it filled in the Chicago area. CVS told me that they may have it in 3 or 4 months! My local Costco doesn't have it yet. I appreciate the name and number of the pharmacy in CA. I will order from there if I have to. Has anyone found a place to fill it in this area?

I am in Fla. and they have it in Walgreens. I don't know if Chicago has a Walgreens or not. I thought for an afternoon that I had the rx in my hand finally but had nowhere to go with it. My pdoc says they have not been to her with samples yet either. But they ordered it for me at Walgreens and had it ready the next day. Now I have to finsh this washout...

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early?? pederspd

Posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 13:38:21

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early??, posted by pederspd on April 21, 2006, at 9:05:20

> I am glad to see that people are doing well on Emsam. I was in a clinical trial for it almost 6 years ago and have been waiting for it to finally become available. During the 1st week of the trial I felt normal for the first time in my life. My only side effect was heartburn. All other anti-depressants had never worked and gave me horrible side effects. I received my prescription yesterday and am looking to have it filled in the Chicago area. CVS told me that they may have it in 3 or 4 months! My local Costco doesn't have it yet. I appreciate the name and number of the pharmacy in CA. I will order from there if I have to. Has anyone found a place to fill it in this area?


I filled my perscription at Spencers Pharmacy in Riverside CA. The pharmacist said he'd mail perscriptions to people outside the area. I paid $440 and I think some of the bigger pharmacies are charging a little less, maybe he is now too. Anyway, If you want to order it thier number is 951-686-7373.

I'd love to hear about your experience with EMSAM during the clinical trial. How long were you on it, what dose, how did you do, side effects, benefits? How did others do in the trial? Please elaborate. I'm assuming you want a perscription because you did well. Did you try other meds such as oral selegiline after the trial? It would be great to hear you're impute!

Thanks Rob


 

Re: EMSAM-Day 15

Posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 14:00:59

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early?? pederspd, posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 13:38:21

I'm probably sounding like a broken record here, just wanted to report that I continue to do well and am not experiencing side effects. I can tell/feel that my energy has increased, my mood is better, I feel like doing more things (going to disnyland tomorrow), just overall more upbeat. I sleep good and my anxiety is fine. I've never really had a positive response before to an anti depressant so this is all new for me. I'm looking forward to hearing others experience with it...

Rob

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 15

Posted by crabwalk on April 21, 2006, at 14:18:00

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 15, posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 14:00:59

Rob, have you (or anyone else) noticed any affect on libido? I'm very much hoping for a positive one myself. Probably starting the patch tomorrow.

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 15 crabwalk

Posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 14:42:31

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 15, posted by crabwalk on April 21, 2006, at 14:18:00

> Rob, have you (or anyone else) noticed any affect on libido? I'm very much hoping for a positive one myself. Probably starting the patch tomorrow.


It's better than before. I have more interest in it and for lack of better words I'm "performing better" with an increase in daily activity. I'm not sure how much has to do with my mood improving/feeling better or how much has to do with med side effect, either way, I've noticed a change for the better. Rob

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 15

Posted by germanium on April 21, 2006, at 20:14:53

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 15 crabwalk, posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 14:42:31

I'm taking Selegiline the active ingredient of Emsam & it does indeed improve your labido. Animal tests have also born this out with more frequent copulation from low performing animals to even old past thier prime animals that had stopped having sex start up again.

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 15 RobertDavid

Posted by theo on April 22, 2006, at 14:32:54

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 15, posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 14:00:59

Just curious, where are you placing your patch, upper or lower body? Does it work better in certain areas?

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early??

Posted by pederspd on April 22, 2006, at 14:59:56

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early?? pederspd, posted by RobertDavid on April 21, 2006, at 13:38:21

> > I am glad to see that people are doing well on Emsam. I was in a clinical trial for it almost 6 years ago and have been waiting for it to finally become available. During the 1st week of the trial I felt normal for the first time in my life. My only side effect was heartburn. All other anti-depressants had never worked and gave me horrible side effects. I received my prescription yesterday and am looking to have it filled in the Chicago area. CVS told me that they may have it in 3 or 4 months! My local Costco doesn't have it yet. I appreciate the name and number of the pharmacy in CA. I will order from there if I have to. Has anyone found a place to fill it in this area?
>
>
> I filled my perscription at Spencers Pharmacy in Riverside CA. The pharmacist said he'd mail perscriptions to people outside the area. I paid $440 and I think some of the bigger pharmacies are charging a little less, maybe he is now too. Anyway, If you want to order it thier number is 951-686-7373.
>
> I'd love to hear about your experience with EMSAM during the clinical trial. How long were you on it, what dose, how did you do, side effects, benefits? How did others do in the trial? Please elaborate. I'm assuming you want a perscription because you did well. Did you try other meds such as oral selegiline after the trial? It would be great to hear you're impute!
>
> Thanks Rob
>
>
>Rob-
I was in the trial where everyone was given the patch for the first 10 weeks then switched into the blind study part where you either continued on the drug or received placebo, but you didn't know which.

Within 4 or 5 days on the patch I felt normal. No other medication had ever helped me before (or since). It was so wonderful. I was able to think clearly, get out of bed, enjoy life. My only side effect was heartburn. But that was easy to control with tums or rolaids. No other problems. We were only allowed to put the patch on the upper torso so I never tried it on my legs. I noticed no difference, tho, whether it was on my back, arm or chest.

When the change came, I knew within a week that I was on the placebo. I hit bottom sooooo quick. I was very suicidal. I recovered in about another week and returned to my previous state of depression. After that I went on the pill form of selegiline but it never worked. I think because there wasn't the continuous release.

I felt like Charlie did in Flowers for Algernon. I finally had experienced normal life and had it ripped away from me. So, I have been anxiously waiting for the release of emsam so that I can feel good again.

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 15

Posted by jetcity10 on April 22, 2006, at 15:32:14

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 15 RobertDavid, posted by theo on April 22, 2006, at 14:32:54

> Just curious, where are you placing your patch, upper or lower body? Does it work better in certain areas?

I am only on day four (and have tried four different places) but, so far the best seemed to be the upper chest in that it seemed the least disturbed by movement during the day and at 24 hours looked almost new. Thigh was ready to fall off and lower back was hard to place for me. As to whether there is greater potential effectiveness with one area or another I have no clue, but as long as the patch stays intact and in place it doesn't "seem" like it should matter (for what that is worth...)

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 15 theo

Posted by RobertDavid on April 22, 2006, at 23:27:58

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 15 RobertDavid, posted by theo on April 22, 2006, at 14:32:54

> Just curious, where are you placing your patch, upper or lower body? Does it work better in certain areas?

I have been moving it to a different location each day. Today is the first day I have put it on my lower body (right side of stomach) and noticed no difference. Otherwise it's been on my upper chest, back or arm (both sides).

The instructions give you muliple options both upper and lower and I really don't think it matters. After 16 days I have yet to notice any difference that I can attribute to patch location. It's just working for me regarless of where I put it. Good luck! Rob

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 15 jetcity10

Posted by RobertDavid on April 22, 2006, at 23:49:23

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 15, posted by jetcity10 on April 22, 2006, at 15:32:14

I will say when I go to the gym I put it on an area that I'm not working so it will be less likely to fall off. I've not had it come of at all yet, but haven't tried the legs.

I have wondered though if it will not stick as well to my legs do to leg hair. I agree and think as long as you get it to stick tight, it probably doesn't matter where you put it.

Rob

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early?? pederspd

Posted by RobertDavid on April 23, 2006, at 0:21:11

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early??, posted by pederspd on April 22, 2006, at 14:59:56

Rob-
> I was in the trial where everyone was given the patch for the first 10 weeks then switched into the blind study part where you either continued on the drug or received placebo, but you didn't know which.
>
> Within 4 or 5 days on the patch I felt normal. No other medication had ever helped me before (or since). It was so wonderful. I was able to think clearly, get out of bed, enjoy life. My only side effect was heartburn. But that was easy to control with tums or rolaids. No other problems. We were only allowed to put the patch on the upper torso so I never tried it on my legs. I noticed no difference, tho, whether it was on my back, arm or chest.
>
> When the change came, I knew within a week that I was on the placebo. I hit bottom sooooo quick. I was very suicidal. I recovered in about another week and returned to my previous state of depression. After that I went on the pill form of selegiline but it never worked. I think because there wasn't the continuous release.
>
> I felt like Charlie did in Flowers for Algernon. I finally had experienced normal life and had it ripped away from me. So, I have been anxiously waiting for the release of emsam so that I can feel good again.


It is very encouraging to hear how well you did in the trial. Your response in the study seems just like mine this point. I've never had a positive response to any anti depressant before. I'm so encouraged!

I find it very interesting that the patch worked significantly better than oral selegiline for you. That has been the topic of much debate and concern, that EMSAM just may not be that good because of how others have responded to taking it orally.

Many have been concerned that anxiety will be an issue with EMSAM because it seems to be an issue with oral selegiline. Would you mind expanding on the difference you felt between the two?

May I also ask if you know if your experience was similar to others in the study? The study showed that only 3.5% more people dropped out taking EMSAM vs placebo. That would suggest very few had enough side effects to quit. Do you have any insight regarding that?

It must have been very difficult to have had such good luck, to have felt well for the first time and then have to wait all this time. I can only imagine how you felt!

Thanks so much for your insight. Rob

 

Re: EMSAM

Posted by pederspd on April 23, 2006, at 4:27:45

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early?? pederspd, posted by RobertDavid on April 23, 2006, at 0:21:11

I only spoke with a few people in the study while we were in the waiting room. They were also having good luck while on the drug. One person was having problems with a lot of local irritation from the patch but that was all I heard about.

While on oral seleligline my only side effect was, once again, heartburn. (Never had it before the patch or since being off selegiline so I know it was connected to the drug only.) My doc and I struggled to find the right dosing for a long time. By the end I was taking 10mg every 3 hours around the clock. And I wasn't feeling any effect. I don't about other people, but the oral did nothing for me. After 2 years I gave up and decided to wait for the patch.

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early??

Posted by strugglingsteve on April 23, 2006, at 15:30:42

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early??, posted by pederspd on April 22, 2006, at 14:59:56

Did you receive the 6,9 or 12 mg patch? Are you saying that you had a response the first week on the med? I am coming up on two weeks and no response for me yet but thankfully no side effects either.

> > > I am glad to see that people are doing well on Emsam. I was in a clinical trial for it almost 6 years ago and have been waiting for it to finally become available. During the 1st week of the trial I felt normal for the first time in my life. My only side effect was heartburn. All other anti-depressants had never worked and gave me horrible side effects. I received my prescription yesterday and am looking to have it filled in the Chicago area. CVS told me that they may have it in 3 or 4 months! My local Costco doesn't have it yet. I appreciate the name and number of the pharmacy in CA. I will order from there if I have to. Has anyone found a place to fill it in this area?
> >
> >
> > I filled my perscription at Spencers Pharmacy in Riverside CA. The pharmacist said he'd mail perscriptions to people outside the area. I paid $440 and I think some of the bigger pharmacies are charging a little less, maybe he is now too. Anyway, If you want to order it thier number is 951-686-7373.
> >
> > I'd love to hear about your experience with EMSAM during the clinical trial. How long were you on it, what dose, how did you do, side effects, benefits? How did others do in the trial? Please elaborate. I'm assuming you want a perscription because you did well. Did you try other meds such as oral selegiline after the trial? It would be great to hear you're impute!
> >
> > Thanks Rob
> >
> >
> >Rob-
> I was in the trial where everyone was given the patch for the first 10 weeks then switched into the blind study part where you either continued on the drug or received placebo, but you didn't know which.
>
> Within 4 or 5 days on the patch I felt normal. No other medication had ever helped me before (or since). It was so wonderful. I was able to think clearly, get out of bed, enjoy life. My only side effect was heartburn. But that was easy to control with tums or rolaids. No other problems. We were only allowed to put the patch on the upper torso so I never tried it on my legs. I noticed no difference, tho, whether it was on my back, arm or chest.
>
> When the change came, I knew within a week that I was on the placebo. I hit bottom sooooo quick. I was very suicidal. I recovered in about another week and returned to my previous state of depression. After that I went on the pill form of selegiline but it never worked. I think because there wasn't the continuous release.
>
> I felt like Charlie did in Flowers for Algernon. I finally had experienced normal life and had it ripped away from me. So, I have been anxiously waiting for the release of emsam so that I can feel good again.
>
>

 

Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early??

Posted by egas on April 23, 2006, at 17:44:26

In reply to Re: EMSAM-Day 5-Too early??, posted by strugglingsteve on April 23, 2006, at 15:30:42

Hi,

All Walgreens and Costco in Lincoln Park in
Chicago CAN get the EMSAM PATCH...
but it is very expensive. Costco is less than
Walgreens. Target pharmacy manager in Chicago on Elston 773-252-2210 will sell
1/2 a box in case you go up on the higer dose
after 2 weeks. He has to order it so call before
going to fill it. I have awful insomnia and have not slept since I started the patch, even
with taking it off at night per my doctor. I am
afraid I am going to collapse from no sleep.
I can barely make it to work.

good luck!

Hope this helps!!!

 

Re: EMSAM - insurance and dosage ?s tygereyes

Posted by egas on April 23, 2006, at 17:51:54

In reply to EMSAM - insurance and dosage ?s, posted by tygereyes on April 11, 2006, at 21:44:21

Hi,

You can apply Benedryl cream over the patch
for the redness and irritation!

Good luck!

 

Re: EMSAM - egas

Posted by ravenstorm on April 23, 2006, at 17:54:10

In reply to Re: EMSAM - insurance and dosage ?s tygereyes, posted by egas on April 23, 2006, at 17:51:54

won't your doctor give you something for sleep? I would think taking off the patch is going to really lessen the chances of it working as an anti-depressant.

 

Re: EMSAM - egas

Posted by egas on April 23, 2006, at 18:18:51

In reply to Re: EMSAM - egas, posted by ravenstorm on April 23, 2006, at 17:54:10

Thanks, but my doctor said it is better to take
it off at night than to totally give up. He spoke
to 1 of the original researchers who recommeded taking it off at night, but I still
can't sleep much.

I have tried all the sleeping pills, and only slept for 2-4 hours with them as well. I am
at my wits end. Most of the sleeping pills
make the depression worse, and I can't
take trazadone because I have a dry lung
conditions and it makes it much worse.
I have had it and am about to give up.

Wish you the best!!!


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