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Posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 21:55:17
Please post here why you do not like meds and why and what you tried them for and if you still are on a med or trying a combo to get one of the combos to work and what condition you are treating. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by RobertDavid on March 1, 2006, at 22:48:58
In reply to I Do Not Believe In Meds Because, posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 21:55:17
I don't like meds because they cost so much, because most head meds don't seem to work, it's so much trial and error, more side effects than benefit. I'm sick of taking weeks/months out of my life on "trials" that don't work, keep me from sleeping, make me more anxious, fat or keep me from enjoying sex. All that sucks!
I don't like the fact that with all we know or should know, we seem to know so little about medically treating depression, anxiety and other disorters. Many scientists admit they don't really know why many of the drugs even do work.
I feel like I've been a lab rat with all the meds I've tried, to many to name. Psycho tropic blends on and on. My diagnosis is generalized social anxiety with dysthymia. To date, the only thing that has helped is klonopin 2mgs. And the only thing I haven't tried are MAOI's.
I'm at least functional with klonopin, but it's not perfect and I do wonder how much of my dysthymia is from my anxiety disorter and how much of it is a side effect of klonopin.
All that said my hope is that because there's so many people with so many disorters (with new disorters being discovered all the time), that they'll figure this med stuff out as there's so much money in it.
So on the bright side, perhaps we have some hope in new meds, new options and hopefully some relief from all that suffer. Right now my hope is with EMSAM, I'll post my experience with it..
Posted by willyee on March 1, 2006, at 23:48:23
In reply to I Do Not Believe In Meds Because, posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 21:55:17
> Please post here why you do not like meds and why and what you tried them for and if you still are on a med or trying a combo to get one of the combos to work and what condition you are treating. Thanks Phillipa
I hate calling them meds,i.e medications.I personaly and just me wont sugar coat my situation,im on drugs.Im dependant on them.Now i wonder gone back a decade what would have happened had i never swallowed that first effexor pill,i cant dwell on that,maybe id be in a better place now,maybe not.
But the medication is prescribed with very little medical practice on site,im being kind here a p doc has not a single actual medical tool in their vicnity.
Instead general questions are used to determine if a CHEMICAL drug should be given,thats kinda scary.
Seeng pens and pads around the office also scares me.
I personaly wonder how technialy in tune the "general" p doc is to a question about how the drug they are using really works,if they truly know actual scieance of it or what the sales people say.
Im not surprised though that deeper concern,and research are done,i mean the drugs bring in a lot and a lot of money,they also are enough to mask a lot of peoples symstoms so people really need them........so i dont see a rush to the labatory doors to bring them out faster better.
But from reading years of meds,i cant say i ever saw one person feel they were cured,but at best treated,masked,enough to function and live.
I personaly wish to god with every ounce of my sould we had some actual medication that people feel something dramatic happened while on it,and feel they are cured.
I know i never would have guessed in a million years id be here at age 27 writing on the topic i am,tommorrow i will pull out the old ALPHA stim and add it in,as i never really gave it much of a shot aftet detwrminging it near useless on arrival,but im needing options now,and im tired of mutatlating myself cause its only that much more harder when u chrash,and u do chrash,
Posted by fenix on March 2, 2006, at 2:54:26
In reply to I Do Not Believe In Meds Because, posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 21:55:17
Money.
Posted by Maxime on March 2, 2006, at 15:25:08
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because, posted by willyee on March 1, 2006, at 23:48:23
All meds do is give me side-effects I don't want. Nothing has really helped my depression except Parnate. But what are you going to do when you are so depressed you can't function.
Although, I have seen the meds work for some people. Just not me.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on March 2, 2006, at 18:21:11
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because » willyee, posted by Maxime on March 2, 2006, at 15:25:08
I finally saw a therapict today she is going to do CBT with me. She asked if the luvox was working I said no cause it isn't. I get more depressed and anxious and tired each day. she didnt act surprised but I did say I felt guilty about a lot of things. She said until I could learn to forgive myself I would stay this way. Do you think it will work? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by RobertDavid on March 2, 2006, at 18:39:26
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on March 2, 2006, at 18:21:11
Phillipa:
CBT does work and most savvy doctors would recomend it either alone or in combination with meds.
My psychiatrist recomended I get CBT for both anxiety and deprssion and say's for many that's enough, without meds.
I'd go for it.
Posted by Phillipa on March 2, 2006, at 20:01:39
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because » Phillipa, posted by RobertDavid on March 2, 2006, at 18:39:26
I am . Babysteps. She said I can't go back to work now but I have to work at it . Thanks, Jan/Phillipa
Posted by Chairman_MAO on March 2, 2006, at 20:16:14
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because » willyee, posted by Maxime on March 2, 2006, at 15:25:08
I feel the same way except for me it's Nardil. I have bad concentration problems, too, and I got canned at a job I should've been able to hold down after only a week. That hurt so much that I dropped it so that I could try dexedrine. I shot myself in the foot by doing so. I do not want to take it; I cannot have a normal sex life while on it. But how am I ever going to maintain a relationship if I'm thinking about killing myself daily?
Posted by SLS on March 3, 2006, at 13:30:16
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because » Maxime, posted by Chairman_MAO on March 2, 2006, at 20:16:14
> That hurt so much that I dropped it so that I could try dexedrine.
I don't understand why you couldn't combine Nardil and Dexedrine. Parnate + Dexedrine is perfectly safe. Is there a problem with Nardil in particular?
- Scott
Posted by Chairman_MAO on March 3, 2006, at 13:49:29
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because » Chairman_MAO, posted by SLS on March 3, 2006, at 13:30:16
No. Nardil is obviously safer in this regard because it does not have sympathomimetic effects nor metabolites with sympathomimetics effects.
I hate to say it but I have used cocaine and methamphetamine intravenously a few times on Nardil and was fine. These people are just afraid of lawsuits. I honestly have no idea what to do. My doctor even admitted that it is most likely that I will NOT have a reaction, but he will not do it.
Posted by Maxime on March 3, 2006, at 18:16:21
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on March 2, 2006, at 18:21:11
> I finally saw a therapict today she is going to do CBT with me. She asked if the luvox was working I said no cause it isn't. I get more depressed and anxious and tired each day. she didnt act surprised but I did say I felt guilty about a lot of things. She said until I could learn to forgive myself I would stay this way. Do you think it will work? Fondly, Phillipa
I have a lot of faith in CBT. If you work hard, it will work.
Good luck,
Maxime
Posted by BUCKEYE FANATIC on March 4, 2006, at 8:09:37
In reply to I Do Not Believe In Meds Because, posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 21:55:17
> Please post here why you do not like meds and why and what you tried them for and if you still are on a med or trying a combo to get one of the combos to work and what condition you are treating. Thanks Phillipa
Just catching up here, so Id like to address the original question :D
It has been my experience that as others here have already posted, Meds at best mask our problems and allow us to function...and to some they are the only thing keeping them alive.
I too have wondered "what if" I had never allowed my MD to prescribe and talk me into taking first Xanax...and then Zoloft. I dont mena to place the blame on him....its just that I was extremly resistant to any medication...but after several years of increasing panic attacks combined with agoraphobia, I finally relented and accepted the medication.
It did mask the symptoms of both my conditions.
However.............It is now 10 years later,and I am dependant on 6mg of Xanax per day, and 100 mg of Zoloft.
Each time I have tried tapering and managed to go off my anti-depressant ( the longest period was 2 and 1/2 months) I encountered a situation in life that left me sinking in depression, so I returned to my Meds.
( I have never tried to ween off Xanax)...I cant even imagine life of both Meds...especially the Xanax, what started out as .25 mg "as needed" gradually increased ( tolerance) to my present 2 mg tablets 3 times a day. I have kept my current dose for over a year...and refuse to go any higherStill...I cant help wondering how differnt the last 10 years would have been if I had continued to say NO ...but endured severe panic attacks and increasing agoraphobia, or found a better way to deal with them.
No real answers here....just some thoughts.
BF
Posted by SLS on March 4, 2006, at 9:30:28
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because, posted by BUCKEYE FANATIC on March 4, 2006, at 8:09:37
> It has been my experience that as others here have already posted, Meds at best mask our problems and allow us to function...
I am a bit confused by your use of the words "our" and "us". Do you mean this as the sum of you and the others whom have posted of similar experiences, or do you mean everyone, including me?
- Scott
Posted by RobertDavid on March 4, 2006, at 12:36:56
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because, posted by BUCKEYE FANATIC on March 4, 2006, at 8:09:37
> I too have wondered "what if" I had never allowed my MD to prescribe and talk me into taking first Xanax...and then Zoloft. I dont mena to place the blame on him....its just that I was extremly resistant to any medication...but after several years of increasing panic attacks combined with agoraphobia, I finally relented and accepted the medication.I was wondering if you ever tried other meds for your panic attacks such as a longer acting benzo like klonopin? Many don't need to keep escilating doses on a benzo like klonopin with some pretty good results. Just a thought.
Posted by BUCKEYE FAN on March 6, 2006, at 13:51:17
In reply to Re: I Do Not Believe In Meds Because » BUCKEYE FANATIC, posted by RobertDavid on March 4, 2006, at 12:36:56
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> > I too have wondered "what if" I had never allowed my MD to prescribe and talk me into taking first Xanax...and then Zoloft. I dont mena to place the blame on him....its just that I was extremly resistant to any medication...but after several years of increasing panic attacks combined with agoraphobia, I finally relented and accepted the medication.
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> I was wondering if you ever tried other meds for your panic attacks such as a longer acting benzo like klonopin? Many don't need to keep escilating doses on a benzo like klonopin with some pretty good results. Just a thought.
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************************************************** Thanks for the advice Robert David.
Funny...my MD has never even suggested Klonopin. I have of course read others hear talk about it, and I have researched it...but never thought about being able to switch TO something, rather that just eliminate my Xanax addiction.Thanks again
BF
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