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Re:New Idea » Phillipa

Posted by tizza on March 1, 2006, at 17:53:58

In reply to Re:New Idea, posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 15:57:26

> Lets start a med board only for positive experiences to an SSRI or an SNRI. Think of someone new reading this thread. You could scare them and that in my opinion would not be fair. Think of the average person they don't have the knowledge you have so let them take it in babysteps. Okay? And what about a positive med board? Love Phillipa


Phillipa that is a very good and valid suggestion but on the other hand if I hadn't found this board/forum I think I would have gone completely mad and might not have been here on this planet. If I hadn't read about other peoples good and bad reactions to different medications and treatments I don't know what would have become of me. I don't take everything that I read here as gospel but all the different opinions have made me think, feel, relate and empathise. Some people in here have had amazing reactions to SSRI's and SNRI's and at the other end of the spectrum some people have committed suicide. I don't think you have opened a can of worms here I think that you have started a fantastic debate about good and bad experiences and maybe it's a good idea for new people to read what other people have been through. It's been one of the best discussions I have read in here for ages that relates to me personally. So thankyou Paul.

 

Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon » FredPotter

Posted by linkadge on March 1, 2006, at 18:01:21

In reply to Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon, posted by FredPotter on March 1, 2006, at 17:10:09

Social iscolation selectively reduces BDNF.

http://biopsychiatry.com/bdnf-socisol.htm


Linkadge

 

Re:New Idea

Posted by linkadge on March 1, 2006, at 18:09:33

In reply to Re:New Idea » Phillipa, posted by tizza on March 1, 2006, at 17:53:58

I agree. There is no need to silence such discussion. If peoples experiences can help others than that is a good thing.


Linkadge

 

Re: Opinions » wildcard11

Posted by TylerJ on March 1, 2006, at 18:24:45

In reply to Opinions, posted by wildcard11 on March 1, 2006, at 16:42:59

> are like as*holes, we all have one. I will not say that all SSRI's or SNRI's do not work and that MAOI's are better. It all depends on the INDIVIDUAL. In my opinion, meds and therapy can work wonders but there are many people with chemical imbalances and have felt relief from the SSRI's and SNRI's. MAOI's do not work for everyone and vice versa. Just my input.

You are absolutely right...I totally agree! But that's just my opinion and you know what they about *ss..I mean opinions..LOL

Tyler

 

Re: Opinions

Posted by linkadge on March 1, 2006, at 18:39:24

In reply to Re: Opinions » wildcard11, posted by TylerJ on March 1, 2006, at 18:24:45

But statistics do not depend on the individual.
Ie. Theres no shame in suggesting for instance that wellbutrin has no efficacy in say OCD. If thats what the statistics say, then so be it.

Linkadge

 

Re: Opinions » linkadge

Posted by wildcard11 on March 1, 2006, at 18:59:04

In reply to Re: Opinions, posted by linkadge on March 1, 2006, at 18:39:24

yes but statistics are based on an average. most people i know are not in that 'average'.

 

Re: Yes

Posted by Comet on March 1, 2006, at 19:37:48

In reply to Re: Yes » Comet, posted by linkadge on March 1, 2006, at 15:38:38


> I have fooled **everbody**. I have fooled doctors, parents, grandmothers, best friends, pets, pastors etc. If I feel the *need* to put on normal face, nobody knows my suffering.
>
> While friends can sometimes be good, at least in my case, they are clueless.

Sorry that your friends and loved ones aren't more helpful. But close friends and loved ones can often detect changes in one's mood, dispositionand emotional state for good or for ill. Of course, if you're actively trying to fool them - then they may not be able to see through your shields. I can tell you that my ex went from being nearly impossible to be close to - to being quite stable within a few weeks of starting an SSRI. She was not faking it to make me feel better - she was genuinely coping with the world and handling her issues with much more stability than she had at any time in the prior two years of our relationship. It was a sea change and not a subtle one - but she didn't even realize how far she had come in so short of time.


 

Re: Yes

Posted by linkadge on March 1, 2006, at 19:52:30

In reply to Re: Yes, posted by Comet on March 1, 2006, at 19:37:48

No, its not as if I am making an effort to fake my mood. It is more along the lines of the fact that I had taken so many different innefective medications that I simply gave up on trying to express my true feelings in any acurate way.

So a doctors appointment would be reduced to the fastest way to try and get it over with.

It is a very common thing for family and friends of suicide victoms to report having absolutely no indication of what happened. Oftentimes friends claim that s/he showed no signs of such. That is an important thing to keep in mind.


Linkadge

 

Re: Yes

Posted by Comet on March 1, 2006, at 20:23:14

In reply to Re: Yes, posted by linkadge on March 1, 2006, at 19:52:30

> No, its not as if I am making an effort to fake my mood. It is more along the lines of the fact that I had taken so many different innefective medications that I simply gave up on trying to express my true feelings in any acurate way.
>
> So a doctors appointment would be reduced to the fastest way to try and get it over with.
>
> It is a very common thing for family and friends of suicide victoms to report having absolutely no indication of what happened. Oftentimes friends claim that s/he showed no signs of such. That is an important thing to keep in mind.
>
>
> Linkadge


Do I think it's possible to not know what mental state a close friend or loved one is in? Absolutely, no question this is true. My only point is that it's also quite possible for a loved one or friend to notice improvement before the patient does herself. This seems obvious to me - but perhaps it's because I've seen this first hand.

Also, you seem to be discouraged by your personal experience with trying various medications with poor results. I'm sure this is personally frustrating and even maddening to you. But that does not mean that the drugs are wholly ineffective for everyone. I've known longterm users of SSRIs who have done wonderfully on them. I've known others who've quit after experiencing side effects.

This is my second round myself. My first round was with Prozac, which I took when I was in a personal and professional rut that seemed endless and impossible to escape. After a couple of months of taking it, I had started to date the woman I would eventually marry and managed to start down a road towards a major career change after years of feeling stuck in my job. I quit the prozac becuase I didn't like the sexual side effects (after all, I had just met the woman I eventually marry). So in a way it was a failure because I quit - on the other hand my life is 1000X better today than it was the day I started prozac. Coincidence? Maybe. I sure as hell don't regret trying.

 

Re: Opinions » wildcard11

Posted by TylerJ on March 1, 2006, at 20:50:37

In reply to Re: Opinions » linkadge, posted by wildcard11 on March 1, 2006, at 18:59:04

> yes but statistics are based on an average. most people i know are not in that 'average'.

She's absolutely right again ! LOL..I love it.

Ty

 

Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon » linkadge

Posted by Jakeman on March 1, 2006, at 20:55:04

In reply to Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon, posted by linkadge on February 27, 2006, at 15:09:45

They have to have worked for some people. Why would people pay billions over years for a placebo? Yes, SSRI's disrupt sleep. That's when they stopped working for me. Several sleep tests have shown that I get lots of REM sleep, but little or no deep (short wave) sleep. I have this condition, while depressed, while taking SSRI's.

In reading the anecdotal reports what strikes me is not whether or not they will work, but if they will work long-term.

warm regards ~Jake

 

Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon » linkadge

Posted by Glydin on March 1, 2006, at 21:33:06

In reply to Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon » Glydin, posted by linkadge on March 1, 2006, at 15:13:55

> Well, there are many different types of post.
>
> But there is certainly one type which involves the assigning of undue merrit to drugs.

I'm not really sure to what type of postings you are referring.

However, generally, I do think when I post of KNOWING my improvement and response is a direct result of the med I'm using - based on my assessment of myself, I don't think it's correct nor fair for anyone to question what my truth is to me. Doing so appears judgemental to me and I feel insulted. On the VERY other hand, if someone has THEIR reasons based on their experiences that are the polar opposite of what I believe true for me, I don't question that nor do I care to judge them. It's what is true for them. This is irregardless of results of studies, clinical trials, etc... and I'm speaking of true self-assessed beliefs that are used to give credit or discredit to the efficacy of a med.

Mutual respect in the face of differing views - it ain't easy.

 

Changing Format of My Threadn

Posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 21:47:17

In reply to Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon » linkadge, posted by Glydin on March 1, 2006, at 21:33:06

The debate is over. To each his own. I am going to start about four threads below this at the bottom of the page. One for those who like and respond to the SSRI's and SNRI's. One for those who don't like them or had no response or don't believe in them. Another for those who favor a different category of med. One positive one negative. And I guess for one that has posters who use a combo of meds to relieve whatever it is they have whether it be depression, bipolar, schizophrinia, Anxiety, Panic and any others. Just give me a few minutes to start them. Please. Thanks Jan/Phillipa I started this and accept full responsibility.

 

Re: Changing Format of My Threadn

Posted by FredPotter on March 1, 2006, at 21:49:35

In reply to Changing Format of My Threadn, posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 21:47:17

we're having a healthy discussion. Don't split us up

 

You didn't do anything wrong??? (nm)

Posted by wildcard11 on March 1, 2006, at 21:50:12

In reply to Changing Format of My Threadn, posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 21:47:17

 

Re: Changing Format of My Threadn » FredPotter

Posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 22:06:40

In reply to Re: Changing Format of My Threadn, posted by FredPotter on March 1, 2006, at 21:49:35

I'm not saying I did anything wrong. It's just easier and yes I'm lazy to split into distinct categories so I see count the votes so to speak but if you like carry on with the discussion. Fondly, Phillipa

 

Re: To Linkadge

Posted by deniseuk on March 2, 2006, at 6:40:37

In reply to Re: To Linkadge » deniseuk, posted by linkadge on March 1, 2006, at 16:02:41

Hi Linkadge,

Prothiaden worked for me for five years, in that I was depression free for all that time. I felt relaxed and motivated and had all my emotions. No bad side effects or anything

Seroxat worked for the three years that I first took it, I then came off it. Again I felt relaxed motivation and with normal emotions. Stupidly I came off it, three years later I tried it again and it didn't work.

Denise

 

Re: To Meri-Tuuli

Posted by deniseuk on March 2, 2006, at 6:42:40

In reply to Re: To Linkadge » deniseuk, posted by Meri-Tuuli on March 1, 2006, at 12:09:29

Sorry, if I confused things by rambling on.

I guess my point was that, yes SSRIs do work brilliantly when they actually work.

Anyone who has experienced that light bulb affect when taking them will know this without question.

Denise

 

Re: Changing Format of My Threadn » Phillipa

Posted by tizza on March 2, 2006, at 7:58:52

In reply to Changing Format of My Threadn, posted by Phillipa on March 1, 2006, at 21:47:17

> The debate is over. To each his own. I am going to start about four threads below this at the bottom of the page. One for those who like and respond to the SSRI's and SNRI's. One for those who don't like them or had no response or don't believe in them. Another for those who favor a different category of med. One positive one negative. And I guess for one that has posters who use a combo of meds to relieve whatever it is they have whether it be depression, bipolar, schizophrinia, Anxiety, Panic and any others. Just give me a few minutes to start them. Please. Thanks Jan/Phillipa I started this and accept full responsibility.


Phillipa you don't need to accept responsibility for starting such a passionate topic. It's been obvious that people feel very strongly about this for both good and bad reasons. I'm really happy that ssri's are working for you and thousands of others out there and not so good for others like me. People are just telling there stories. Please, please don't take it to heart, you haven't done ANYTHING wrong. I hope you are well and not stressing out about it, it's just been a very interesting thread. Paul :)
Your new threads are yet another great idea, please keep them coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Re: Yes » Comet

Posted by linkadge on March 2, 2006, at 8:20:23

In reply to Re: Yes, posted by Comet on March 1, 2006, at 20:23:14

This is the thing. There are so many factors. IF I take a drug with such a marginal benefit, then side effects become very detrimental. For instance, many SSRI's created so many cognative problems that I was getting depressed because of how my school performance was dropping.

Linkadge

 

Re: Opinions » TylerJ

Posted by linkadge on March 2, 2006, at 8:21:43

In reply to Re: Opinions » wildcard11, posted by TylerJ on March 1, 2006, at 20:50:37

Perhaps most people *you know* are not the average, but most people *in general*, are the average :)

Linkadge

 

Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon » Jakeman

Posted by linkadge on March 2, 2006, at 8:23:16

In reply to Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon » linkadge, posted by Jakeman on March 1, 2006, at 20:55:04

"Why would people pay billions over years for a placebo?"

When people respond to a placebo in trials, often they are adiment on continuing with its use.

Linkadge

 

Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon » Glydin

Posted by linkadge on March 2, 2006, at 8:25:09

In reply to Re: The Truth Do SSRI's and SSNRI's Work For Anyon » linkadge, posted by Glydin on March 1, 2006, at 21:33:06

Don't want to point any fingers, but ACE's posts come to example of what I am referring to.

Linkadge

 

Re: To Linkadge

Posted by linkadge on March 2, 2006, at 8:30:04

In reply to Re: To Linkadge, posted by deniseuk on March 2, 2006, at 6:40:37

It is difficult to know if it was really the drug that kept you better for 5 years.

For instance, depression often remits with a year or so. So it is impossable to say that it was the drug for certain that was doing it. It may have been responsable for a faster initial responce.

I was "reasonably ok" on celexa for a few years, but in hindsight, I was exercising a lot, taking fish oil, and other things that are helping me now. My life was less stressfull back then too, so I could never be sure that the celexa was responsable for everything.

Linakdge

Linkadge

 

Re: To Meri-Tuuli » deniseuk

Posted by linkadge on March 2, 2006, at 8:30:59

In reply to Re: To Meri-Tuuli, posted by deniseuk on March 2, 2006, at 6:42:40

But placebos too, work brilliantly when they work.

Linkadge


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