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Posted by Maxime on February 10, 2006, at 12:23:14
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that antipsychotic are over prescribed?
Zyprexa is often prescribe as a sleep aid. Seroquel is also prescribed for the same thing. Don't these doctors realise that these meds are affecting the chemical make-up of our brains? If there is a heart medication out that causes drowsiness you wouldn't be prescribed that.
I don't know. I just don't know why doctors are so anxious to add antipsychotics to one's med regime.
BTW, when I was in the hospital there was a young man who was taking 40 mg of Zyprexa for bipolar disorder. After one year he developed type 1 diabetes. Weeks before his admission into the psych hospital he had fallen into a diabetic coma. Makes you think twice about what these meds are doing to our bodies.
Maxime
Posted by iamhappy on February 10, 2006, at 13:29:48
In reply to Overuse of antipsychotics, posted by Maxime on February 10, 2006, at 12:23:14
> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that antipsychotic are over prescribed?
>
> Zyprexa is often prescribe as a sleep aid. Seroquel is also prescribed for the same thing. Don't these doctors realise that these meds are affecting the chemical make-up of our brains? If there is a heart medication out that causes drowsiness you wouldn't be prescribed that.
>
> I don't know. I just don't know why doctors are so anxious to add antipsychotics to one's med regime.
>
> BTW, when I was in the hospital there was a young man who was taking 40 mg of Zyprexa for bipolar disorder. After one year he developed type 1 diabetes. Weeks before his admission into the psych hospital he had fallen into a diabetic coma. Makes you think twice about what these meds are doing to our bodies.
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> MaximeI am not sure if antipsychotics are overprescribed, however 2mg risperdal at night makes me fall right asleep. Also, I am overall pleased with the effects risperdal gives me.
Posted by detroitpistons on February 10, 2006, at 15:16:18
In reply to Overuse of antipsychotics, posted by Maxime on February 10, 2006, at 12:23:14
Maxime,
Read this:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/TruthTrustConsent/JNF/BobW_x.htm
> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that antipsychotic are over prescribed?
>
> Zyprexa is often prescribe as a sleep aid. Seroquel is also prescribed for the same thing. Don't these doctors realise that these meds are affecting the chemical make-up of our brains? If there is a heart medication out that causes drowsiness you wouldn't be prescribed that.
>
> I don't know. I just don't know why doctors are so anxious to add antipsychotics to one's med regime.
>
> BTW, when I was in the hospital there was a young man who was taking 40 mg of Zyprexa for bipolar disorder. After one year he developed type 1 diabetes. Weeks before his admission into the psych hospital he had fallen into a diabetic coma. Makes you think twice about what these meds are doing to our bodies.
>
> Maxime
Posted by ed_uk on February 10, 2006, at 16:41:24
In reply to Overuse of antipsychotics, posted by Maxime on February 10, 2006, at 12:23:14
The overprescribing of antipsychotics is possibly a result of the demonisation of benzodiazepines.
Ed x
Posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2006, at 20:25:37
In reply to Re: Overuse of antipsychotics » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on February 10, 2006, at 16:41:24
Right now there is a lawsuit of people becoming diabetic after taking zyprexa. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by James K on February 11, 2006, at 1:11:57
In reply to Re: Overuse of antipsychotics, posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2006, at 20:25:37
I think the answer is yes, they are overprescribed. I also thought the ssri's were overprescribed when they were introduced. I gained 20 pounds on Zyprexa and may have been experiencing pre-diabetic symptoms. Stopping was one of the best things I have done for myself in years. The problem is, I'm one the persons who has to be on medication. I'm just too much of a danger to myself or others when I'm not. At least lately, or sometimes. A psychiatrist is going to have to be pretty persuasive to get me back on even low dosages of seraquel or risperdal. Because as it stands right now, no way. I will be starting from scratch soon with a new doctor and drug program, and I really hope we can work together this time.
James K
Posted by cecilia on February 11, 2006, at 2:38:20
In reply to Overuse of antipsychotics, posted by Maxime on February 10, 2006, at 12:23:14
I agree with you about antipsychotics, Maxime. Re the article, I'm not so sure about antidepressants. I was depressed for many many years before I ever tried an antidepressant and sometimes I wonder if I had tried them when I was young, before my mind was so set in the depression pattern, maybe they might have worked for me. Cecilia
Posted by Maxime on February 11, 2006, at 18:47:50
In reply to Re: Overuse of antipsychotics, posted by James K on February 11, 2006, at 1:11:57
Hi James. Maybe one of the older antipsychotics will work for you? I'm sorry you had so much trouble.
Maxime
> I think the answer is yes, they are overprescribed. I also thought the ssri's were overprescribed when they were introduced. I gained 20 pounds on Zyprexa and may have been experiencing pre-diabetic symptoms. Stopping was one of the best things I have done for myself in years. The problem is, I'm one the persons who has to be on medication. I'm just too much of a danger to myself or others when I'm not. At least lately, or sometimes. A psychiatrist is going to have to be pretty persuasive to get me back on even low dosages of seraquel or risperdal. Because as it stands right now, no way. I will be starting from scratch soon with a new doctor and drug program, and I really hope we can work together this time.
>
> James K
Posted by Maxime on February 11, 2006, at 18:49:42
In reply to Re: Overuse of antipsychotics, posted by cecilia on February 11, 2006, at 2:38:20
I agree with re. the antidepressants. Every depression is worse with me, so had I been able to stop it earlier then I wouldn't be fighting something so big.
Maxime
> I agree with you about antipsychotics, Maxime. Re the article, I'm not so sure about antidepressants. I was depressed for many many years before I ever tried an antidepressant and sometimes I wonder if I had tried them when I was young, before my mind was so set in the depression pattern, maybe they might have worked for me. Cecilia
Posted by Maxime on February 11, 2006, at 18:52:00
In reply to Re: Overuse of antipsychotics » Maxime, posted by detroitpistons on February 10, 2006, at 15:16:18
EEEK, scary stuff. I think part of the problem is that doctors don't wean people off meds well enough before starting a new one. So sometimes they end up treating a side effect from the last medication. It's hard to tell what is the disease and what is the med.
Maxime
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Maxime,
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> Read this:
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> http://www.altuit.com/webs/TruthTrustConsent/JNF/BobW_x.htm
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> > Is it just me, or does anyone else think that antipsychotic are over prescribed?
> >
> > Zyprexa is often prescribe as a sleep aid. Seroquel is also prescribed for the same thing. Don't these doctors realise that these meds are affecting the chemical make-up of our brains? If there is a heart medication out that causes drowsiness you wouldn't be prescribed that.
> >
> > I don't know. I just don't know why doctors are so anxious to add antipsychotics to one's med regime.
> >
> > BTW, when I was in the hospital there was a young man who was taking 40 mg of Zyprexa for bipolar disorder. After one year he developed type 1 diabetes. Weeks before his admission into the psych hospital he had fallen into a diabetic coma. Makes you think twice about what these meds are doing to our bodies.
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> > Maxime
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Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2006, at 19:08:24
In reply to Re: Overuse of antipsychotics » cecilia, posted by Maxime on February 11, 2006, at 18:49:42
Maxie darn!!!!And I wanted to try and go off all of them. Fondly Phillipa. ps babblemail me
Posted by Maxime on February 11, 2006, at 20:38:47
In reply to Re: Overuse of antipsychotics » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on February 10, 2006, at 16:41:24
> The overprescribing of antipsychotics is possibly a result of the demonisation of benzodiazepines.
>
> Ed xYup, and 10 years from now what will replace the antipsychotics. :-)
xoxo
Maxie
Posted by Maxime on February 11, 2006, at 20:41:06
In reply to Overuse of antipsychotics, posted by Maxime on February 10, 2006, at 12:23:14
My pdoc gave me sulpiride to try. He says it might help the Prozac work ????? I'm just wondering how long it will take me to lactate on the stuff. :-(
Maxime
Posted by ed_uk on February 12, 2006, at 4:24:14
In reply to ... and I am trying one :-(, posted by Maxime on February 11, 2006, at 20:41:06
Hi Maxie
Best of luck with sulpiride. It can help depression at low doses. High doses are more suitable for psychosis.
Ed xx
Posted by Maxime on February 12, 2006, at 10:34:52
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-( » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on February 12, 2006, at 4:24:14
I'm taking 200 mg. And actually I am going through a psychotic depression. I hear voices and have had some visual hallucinations.
Fed up!
Maxie xx
> Hi Maxie
>
> Best of luck with sulpiride. It can help depression at low doses. High doses are more suitable for psychosis.
>
> Ed xx
Posted by ed_uk on February 12, 2006, at 11:27:36
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-( » ed_uk, posted by Maxime on February 12, 2006, at 10:34:52
Earlier I suggested Mirapex. The hallucinations make me worried about you trying Mirapex. Mirapex has been reported to induce hallucinations as a side effect.
What sort of hallucinations are you having?
I hope the sulpiride helps and you don't lactate.
Ed xxx
Posted by Maxime on February 12, 2006, at 16:07:05
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-( » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on February 12, 2006, at 11:27:36
Mirapex is on the list of things to try.
I have auditory hallucinations "outside my head", voices. And visual ones of flashes of colour and fire coming out my drawers. Scares the sh*t out of me. The auditory hallucinations are more frequent than the visual ones.
Maxime
> Earlier I suggested Mirapex. The hallucinations make me worried about you trying Mirapex. Mirapex has been reported to induce hallucinations as a side effect.
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> What sort of hallucinations are you having?
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> I hope the sulpiride helps and you don't lactate.
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> Ed xxx
Posted by ed_uk on February 12, 2006, at 16:12:24
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-( » ed_uk, posted by Maxime on February 12, 2006, at 16:07:05
Maxie,
Who do you hear? A man, a woman, a child, lots of different people? What do the voices say?
Love Ed xx
Posted by Maxime on February 12, 2006, at 16:47:08
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-( » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on February 12, 2006, at 16:12:24
> Maxie,
>
> Who do you hear? A man, a woman, a child, lots of different people? What do the voices say?
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> Love Ed xxI hear men and they are usually berating me. I try not to feed them by getting upset and I tell myself that it's faulty wiring in my brain that is causing it. But sometimes I do get really upset.
Maxie xx
Posted by ed_uk on February 12, 2006, at 17:01:37
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-( » ed_uk, posted by Maxime on February 12, 2006, at 16:47:08
Hi Maxie
The sulpiride might help with the voices. Any signs of lactation?
Ed xx
Posted by linkadge on February 13, 2006, at 15:07:12
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-( » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on February 12, 2006, at 17:01:37
I agree. AP's should only be used in psychosis.
They need to hurry up an approve a class of drugs like ritanserin which may provide AP like augmentation without AP side effects.
In the hospital, I met a boy my age who had a seizure on zyprexa when used for sleep. He was totally out of it.
What is addiction anyway. It is hard to stop a AP without tapering, so why not just prescribe a benzo? Benzo's don't really do strange things to your brain.
Linkadge
Posted by Maxime on February 14, 2006, at 19:16:34
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-( » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on February 12, 2006, at 17:01:37
> Hi Maxie
>
> The sulpiride might help with the voices. Any signs of lactation?
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> Ed xxYup, started lactating today. That didn't take very. I didn't feel any different while taking the med, although it had only been a few days. I must have naturally high prolactin levels.
Maxime - Moo
Posted by Maxime on February 14, 2006, at 19:19:48
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-(, posted by linkadge on February 13, 2006, at 15:07:12
What is Ritanserin?
Maxime> I agree. AP's should only be used in psychosis.
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> They need to hurry up an approve a class of drugs like ritanserin which may provide AP like augmentation without AP side effects.
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> In the hospital, I met a boy my age who had a seizure on zyprexa when used for sleep. He was totally out of it.
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> What is addiction anyway. It is hard to stop a AP without tapering, so why not just prescribe a benzo? Benzo's don't really do strange things to your brain.
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> Linkadge
Posted by ed_uk on February 15, 2006, at 14:49:43
In reply to Got Milk? » ed_uk, posted by Maxime on February 14, 2006, at 19:16:34
Hi Maxie
:(
Sulpiride is known to raise prolactin a lot. It often induces lactation :(
Mirapex should lower prolactin I expect, in a similar way to bromocriptine (Parlodel).
Love
Ed xx
Posted by linkadge on February 15, 2006, at 20:29:19
In reply to Re: ... and I am trying one :-( » linkadge, posted by Maxime on February 14, 2006, at 19:19:48
The APs probably help depression by blocking certain serotonin receptors. Certain drugs like ritanserin have a similar effect without messing with dopamine.
I found that periactin 5-ht2a/c antagonist
was as effective as zyprexa 5-ht2a/c d1/d2 antagonist
Linkadge
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