Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 607700

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Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?

Posted by TylerJ on February 8, 2006, at 20:17:21

Went to my Pdoc today and I will be starting Parnate tomorrow. He told me to start at 10 mgs. in the morning, but I was thinking 10 in the morn. and another 10 around noon. What do you think? I want to start feeling better asap.

Thanks, TylerJ

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?

Posted by willyee on February 8, 2006, at 21:05:17

In reply to Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?, posted by TylerJ on February 8, 2006, at 20:17:21

> Went to my Pdoc today and I will be starting Parnate tomorrow. He told me to start at 10 mgs. in the morning, but I was thinking 10 in the morn. and another 10 around noon. What do you think? I want to start feeling better asap.
>
> Thanks, TylerJ


I believe your doc told u the same i first told u a few posts up about the single 10 mg dose.


You have never taken an maoi,just what ssris?So for the first time your going to have areas of the brain activated and stimulated etc.....

Like i had said for me on my first use of parnate was from years of pounds of sssri use,so the minute i took parnate i had a strong postive stimulant effect,this lasted a few days were i was able to go on a single tab.


So what i would say is to do EXACTLY this,dont forethink or worry about ur dosage,lets see how ur gonna respond.

Take ur 10 mg only for at the least one day.IF you have a postive response DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT

increase it,take it slow,the pills are not going no where,if one pill works ride it out,dont just take a second one for the purpose of taking it.


If there is no response then begin the 20 mg,but again if u respond to the 10 mg ride it out,it wont last,its the initial effect of the moai on u,enjoy it,youll have all the time in the world to take standerd doses of parnate in the 30 and above range,i only wish i could have a old school day where that one morning tablet had me going perfect all day.

Last not to mention one 10 mg tab is what ur doc is wanting u to use.

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?

Posted by TylerJ on February 8, 2006, at 21:48:49

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?, posted by willyee on February 8, 2006, at 21:05:17

That's exactly what my Pdoc told me to do. Thanks for your expert advice on Parnate..I trust you. I may be asking you a lot of questions in the next couple of mos. I hope you find something to get your Parnate going again. Also that ESAM Patch sounds very promising.

Best wishes, TJ

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?

Posted by willyee on February 8, 2006, at 22:22:18

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?, posted by TylerJ on February 8, 2006, at 21:48:49

Expert lol wow wutg all the flattering names im called in life uh hem lol expert is almost a shock to my nervous system,but thanks for the thought.

I will leave you with some parnate trivia though,there was only one article on the net as to this drugs origin,i have it some where,but it explains why so little is known of it from its company,and why they have out to date 3 different data sheets with max doseage and restriction list.


Parnate was made by a single chemicst,in his home,in his basement which was a fully equipped lab.He was constantly working on treating his own parkinson disease,and parnate was one of his results,after its use he releiased it was no help for his condition but saw the mood lifting properties it had,so he sold it to glaxco and they took it on,not knowing very much about it,and to this day if u call glaxco you can literally hear there lips as they read word for word about parnate off a screen which u can find urself on the net.

The company glaxco is clueless about there parnate product,they sent me a packet asking me to document everything i could about it.

They have 3 offical data sheets,.....the first lists 10 mg as the theraputic dose,yess a single tab a day........and an increase of NO MORE than 30 mg total under strict docters care.


The second states 30 mg as a starting ddose with a max of 60 mg under supervision.


And the last,well i have not seen this with my own eyes,and not sure if its actualy a data sheet or just a fact,but from pubmed are documents from glaxco stating that 100 mg as a max dosage.

So we went from a 30 mg max to 100,call em one day for kicks and ask em about it,tell them u want to speak to one of there actualy pharm techs about a technical aspect,and even then youll laugh as u hear them stutter and trip over themselves trying to act like they know anything about parnate.


lol If anyone cares enough i can find this article on the creator of the drug,oh and fyi thats how parnate came about,NOT MAOIS,maois have something to do with being discovered in hospital settings long ago.

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?

Posted by TylerJ on February 8, 2006, at 23:24:34

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?, posted by willyee on February 8, 2006, at 22:22:18

Interesting, and yes I will give them a call in the near future. And if you could find that article that would be great. You know it sucks that they don't take a great drug like Parnate that works for so many people and just study the hell out of it, tweek it, etc. so that it would not continue to poop out. That's my biggest fear is that it is well known to poop out. I'm like you, I'm done with ssri's ( and I've got tons of them in our house too-should sell 'em on Ebay. :) Well, I'm with you if the Parnate does poop out my next med is going to ESAM. Take care, hope you're feeling better soon!

TJ

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate TylerJ

Posted by fires on February 9, 2006, at 11:51:12

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?, posted by TylerJ on February 8, 2006, at 23:24:34

>That's my biggest fear is that it is well known to poop out. <snip>

>Well, I'm with you if the Parnate does poop out my next med is going to ESAM. Take care, hope you're feeling better soon!
>
> TJ

Parnate is known for pooping out? I've never heard this. Can you provide a reference, or is it anecdotal?

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate

Posted by willyee on February 9, 2006, at 19:54:51

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate TylerJ, posted by fires on February 9, 2006, at 11:51:12

> >That's my biggest fear is that it is well known to poop out. <snip>
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> >Well, I'm with you if the Parnate does poop out my next med is going to ESAM. Take care, hope you're feeling better soon!
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> > TJ
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> Parnate is known for pooping out? I've never heard this. Can you provide a reference, or is it anecdotal?
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>

I dont think poop out is a actual reference used for any of the psych drugs,as far as actualing being listed,but we all know its true.

As far as parnate,well i learned first hand of its poop out but one can archive just about any group and see that its notorious for doing that.Wish it werent so,of course i wouldent pursway anyone away from it because of this,mainly because everyone is different,not only that but its an effective med regardless.

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?

Posted by willyee on February 9, 2006, at 19:58:11

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate?, posted by TylerJ on February 8, 2006, at 23:24:34

Dont go on it worrying about poop out,if it works for u youre not got have the same problems someone like myself has,ive been on it a long long time,i have to trick my body to take it in and make it work,youre just starting,just enjoy the initial benifit youll hopefully gonna see if it works,a working anti depressant is such a blissful feeling enjoy man who knows what will happen by the the you do,if you do start having poop out.

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate willyee

Posted by fires on February 9, 2006, at 20:37:06

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate, posted by willyee on February 9, 2006, at 19:54:51

>I dont think poop out is a actual reference used for any of the psych drugs,as far as actualing being listed,but we all know its true.

I don't doubt that it's true for some meds. From what I've heard/read it's the SSRIs that are best known for it and the MAOIs that are least likely to cause it. I was on Parnate for roughly 14 years. We didn't even have to tinker with the dose.
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> As far as parnate,well i learned first hand of its poop out but one can archive just about any group and see that its notorious for doing that.Wish it werent so,of course i wouldent pursway anyone away from it because of this,mainly because everyone is different,not only that but its an effective med regardless.

I hadn't even heard of poop out until very recently. I now see that some pdocs think that poop out with an AD is a sign of BP.

Here's just one abstract that I quickly found with Teoma about the subject:

http://tinyurl.com/capua

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate

Posted by willyee on February 10, 2006, at 18:10:44

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate willyee, posted by fires on February 9, 2006, at 20:37:06

Welli hope youre right,it stinks to know the feeling of what a drug "can" do but some reason doesent anymore......i know for sure parnate doesent react the same for me,but ive been on it a very very long time,i also read from a lot of others,but its also nice to know people are out there not having these problems,i guess it would only make sense to hear less of these folks as they are doing ok.

I am constantly tweaking parnate,alone i will fallinto a hole and if i just let it be which i have tried for my family,i agreed no more junk,nothing but parnate,in two weeks i was a mess,so for me its a constant battle of adding augmentors,and i do have successes,right now im managingin to keep it working and its been 2 weeks knock on wood,now alone anything else is useless,so its like a pizza pie,parnate is the crust,the foundation,and the toppings are unfortnatly what i have to deal with,who knows also maybe personal factors i do have a role,my excessive working bad habbits as smoking etc,but i wish i were one in which it never did poop out.


I once read what poop out even means recently,the article said,and i just posted this i believe the other day,when the body has a constant foreign substance,a drug,be it good or bad,it knows its a DRUG and its natural sense is to protect the body from it,so exposure to a specific drug allows to body to beging building specific anti-enzmyes for that specific drug,causing the user to require higher doses or to trick the body some how,but as u know its all a very complicated mess,getting good results with a med for some comes in a snap,others it becomes a scienace lol.

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate willyee

Posted by fires on February 10, 2006, at 18:37:50

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate, posted by willyee on February 10, 2006, at 18:10:44

I hope the Parnate works for you. I'm sure that everyone tells you to stop smoking. I think that it's real important to stop.

I'm optimistic about future treatments for depression. You can scan the article at the link below to read about some of what's planned:

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/depressionresearch.htm

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate

Posted by TylerJ on February 10, 2006, at 19:44:06

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate, posted by willyee on February 10, 2006, at 18:10:44

Yea...I've heard that's why drugs quit working. But why doesn't that happen with drugs like Lipitor or hypertensive meds. My Grandpa was on the same bP drug for 65 years and it never stopped working up until he passed away at 87 yrs. old. I don't get it...it sucks about AD poop out. maybe EMSAM will be different-work as well as Parnate but no poop out. Take care.

 

Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate

Posted by TylerJ on February 10, 2006, at 19:46:52

In reply to Re: Willyee, what's good starting dose for Parnate willyee, posted by fires on February 10, 2006, at 18:37:50

Thanks fires. I sure hope it works!! I don't smoke, so that's one thing I don't have to worry about. Take care. Tyler


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