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Posted by SLS on November 11, 2005, at 8:37:22
In reply to 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by Tepiaca on November 10, 2005, at 22:40:06
Hi.
> I have been taking tolvon for 3 days.It takes a few weeks for these drugs to improve depression once you reach a therapeutic dosage.
How much are you taking now, and how much will you be taking in the future?
> As some guys mentioned here, is very
> sedating. Almost like Seroquel or more !!
> Anyway... I dont really care about itThis might wear off over time, especially once you increase the dosage. Tolvon is known for being very sedating.
> What I really care is that my fear is
> increasing tremendously !
In what way?Was anxiety part of your original condition?
Sometimes, anxiety is one of the startup side effects of drugs. This can disappear over time. I am not familiar enough with Tolvon to comment on the frequency of increased anxiety of a side effect. However, this is not something that is often reported with Remeron. It is conceivable, though. Both drugs increase norepinephrine synthesis and release.
- Scott
Posted by Tom Twilight on November 11, 2005, at 16:27:56
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by SLS on November 11, 2005, at 8:37:22
Hey Tep
Sorry your not feeling good
I think the advice offered by Larry H and SLS is very sensible
Remeron-Mirtazapine seems like a better first choice than Tovolon-Mianserin.What I would like to say is that Mianserin is supposedly more Noradrenagic than Mirtazapine, although I haven't got any hard evidence to back this up!
Therefore its not suprising that some people get more agitated on Mianserin.
Perhapse your very sensative to Noradrenaline, and drugs that increase it cause increased anxiety.
Its worth noting that a few people experience increased anxiety on Mirtazapine, because of its effect on Noradrenaline.Anyway my gut feeling is that you drop the Tolvon and try something else, perhapse less Noradrenagic, just a guess though, perhapse the anxiety will improve
Posted by Phillipa on November 11, 2005, at 19:29:25
In reply to 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by Tepiaca on November 10, 2005, at 22:40:06
Just wanted to hi Tepiaca. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Declan on November 11, 2005, at 19:39:56
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Tepiaca, posted by Phillipa on November 11, 2005, at 19:29:25
Hi Tep
Tolvon has confusion, agitation, and hypomania as possible effects. Remeron/mirtazapine has rage.
How long do you think you'll stick it out?
Do you think Tolvon is making your fear worse?
Declan
Posted by 4wd on November 11, 2005, at 21:37:29
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by SLS on November 11, 2005, at 8:37:22
> Hi.
>
> > I have been taking tolvon for 3 days.
>
> It takes a few weeks for these drugs to improve depression once you reach a therapeutic dosage.
>
> How much are you taking now, and how much will you be taking in the future?
>
> > As some guys mentioned here, is very
> > sedating. Almost like Seroquel or more !!
> > Anyway... I dont really care about it
>
> This might wear off over time, especially once you increase the dosage. Tolvon is known for being very sedating.
>
>
> > What I really care is that my fear is
> > increasing tremendously !
>
>
> In what way?
>
> Was anxiety part of your original condition?
>
> Sometimes, anxiety is one of the startup side effects of drugs. This can disappear over time. I am not familiar enough with Tolvon to comment on the frequency of increased anxiety of a side effect. However, this is not something that is often reported with Remeron. It is conceivable, though. Both drugs increase norepinephrine synthesis and release.
>
>
> - Scott
>
Scott is right. When I took nortriptyline (which also increases norepinephrine) I got much more anxious. And nortriptyline is often prescribed to help anxiety.Have you told your doctor about your increased anxiety? Do you have benzos you can take in the meantime?
marsha
Posted by ed_uk on November 12, 2005, at 13:37:35
In reply to 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by Tepiaca on November 10, 2005, at 22:40:06
Hi Tepi
What dose are you taking?
Ed
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 3:31:20
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by SLS on November 11, 2005, at 8:37:22
>
> How much are you taking now, and how much will you be taking in the future?
>30mg per day. I dont know yet how much I will take in the future.
> > What I really care is that my fear is
> > increasing tremendously !
>
>
> In what way?
>
> Was anxiety part of your original condition?
>
> Sometimes, anxiety is one of the startup side effects of drugs. This can disappear over time. I am not familiar enough with Tolvon to comment on the frequency of increased anxiety of a side effect. However, this is not something that is often reported with Remeron. It is conceivable, though. Both drugs increase norepinephrine synthesis and release.
>
Well , actually I suffer from social fear since I was 15. I am not taking medicines for depression, in this moment my main problem is fear. My Doctor is not focused on fear but on depression .Thank you Scott
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 3:36:49
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by Tom Twilight on November 11, 2005, at 16:27:56
Hi Tom>
> Sorry your not feeling good
>
Thanks>
> Anyway my gut feeling is that you drop the Tolvon and try something else, perhapse less Noradrenagic, just a guess though, perhapse the anxiety will improve
>
>Thank you for your Advice Tom . I guess Im gonna wait a little bit more. Things are not as bad as when I started this thread. Lets see what Tolvon can do
>
>
>
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 3:38:34
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Tepiaca, posted by Phillipa on November 11, 2005, at 19:29:25
> Just wanted to hi Tepiaca. Fondly, Phillipa
HAHA =)
Thanks phillipa
What is FONDLY by the way, You use that word a lot. is it like truly or sincerely ? I don know english very well
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 3:42:10
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by Declan on November 11, 2005, at 19:39:56
HI dec!
> Tolvon has confusion, agitation, and hypomania as possible effects. Remeron/mirtazapine has rage.
>What is rage?
> How long do you think you'll stick it out?Maybe Im gonna try two more weeks , if nothing wrongs happen
>
> Do you think Tolvon is making your fear worse?
Well yes, at the third day was worst, but now I dont have too much. It is hard to talk with people , but one hour ago I went to a little party and I was ok. Not talking but at least I wasnŽnt sufferingbye Declan
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 3:47:39
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by 4wd on November 11, 2005, at 21:37:29
Hi marsha
> Have you told your doctor about your increased anxiety?
Not yetDo you have benzos you can take in the meantime?
>
Yes I have clonazepam that in fact helps methank for the reply marsha
Tep
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 3:48:51
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Tepiaca, posted by ed_uk on November 12, 2005, at 13:37:35
> Hi Tepi
>
> What dose are you taking?
>
> EdHI ED
30mg before going to the bed. I am going to the bed now !
Saludos
TEP
Posted by ed_uk on November 13, 2005, at 10:20:45
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » ed_uk, posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 3:48:51
Hi Tepi
DO you think it's still making your anxiety worse?
Ed
Posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2005, at 19:51:43
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Tepiaca, posted by ed_uk on November 13, 2005, at 10:20:45
Tepiaca yes fondly is like sincerely with a little more feeling I guess. If I had my way I say love Phillipa. Don't know how people would take it so I say Fondly
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 23:04:59
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2005, at 19:51:43
> Tepiaca yes fondly is like sincerely with a little more feeling I guess. If I had my way I say love Phillipa. Don't know how people would take it so I say Fondly
Thank you phillipa. I understand better now :)
How are you feeling at this momento of your life?Tep
Posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2005, at 23:19:48
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Phillipa, posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 23:04:59
Amigo not well. Seeing pdoc on Dec 22. Kind of a referral from SLS. Buenos noches mi amigo. Fondly phillipa
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 23:28:00
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it?, posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2005, at 19:51:43
Ey guys, for those who mentioned that Tolvon
can cause anxiety because of his effects on
NE , I am feeling extremely ansious. More than
ever.What should I do ??? is this gonna fade off?
I have my clonazepam that helps a little bit
but its not 100% effective
I take 0.5 mg. I donŽt want to go higher because
it depress me.Another thing . When someone say something about
me, just for playing , for making a joke I got
very very angry.I dont do nothing, jut keep my anger inside me but sometimes I want to yell that person. I dont know if they do it with a bad intention. Anyway I dont like anybody to have fun on me.
I believe that is the root of my mental problem.
When I was a child, some older guys used to have fun on me, they were mean. Now im always aware that no one dare to do that again.
WOW I believe I have found the psychological trigger of my disease. This is important but now that I know what can I do ??? Therapy ????
IŽve been 6 days on Tolvon. Do you believe I should stay on Tolvon more time?SALUDOS AMIGOS !!!
TEP
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 23:32:56
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Tepiaca, posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2005, at 23:19:48
> Amigo not well. Seeing pdoc on Dec 22. Kind of a referral from SLS.
Yes phillipa, I read the post where you mentioned it
Phillipa so you are bipolar? you dont have mania rigth?Buenos noches mi amigo. Fondly phillipa
JAJA , Buenas noches !
Posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 23:37:06
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Tepiaca, posted by ed_uk on November 13, 2005, at 10:20:45
> Hi Tepi
>
> DO you think it's still making your anxiety worse?
>
> EdEd my Social fear is not bad. It is this kind of anxiety like if I could breath well. This happen to me no matter if Iam around people or not
Posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2005, at 23:39:29
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Phillipa, posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 23:32:56
Tepiaca hablo inglesia? I took lst year spanish in high school. A few words I remember. Don't know yet about the bipolar. Guess I have to wait till Dec 22. Stay well mi amigo. Fondly, Phillipa/ Real name Jan so juana in Spanish
Posted by ed_uk on November 14, 2005, at 13:10:08
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » ed_uk, posted by Tepiaca on November 13, 2005, at 23:37:06
Hi Tepi
Tolvon and Remeron can cause anger as a side effect, especially if the dose is too high. I think you should reduce your dose to 15mg if you've got the 30mg tablets or 10mg if you've got the 10mg tablets.
SALUDOS!
Ed
Posted by Tepiaca on November 14, 2005, at 22:28:55
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Tepiaca, posted by ed_uk on November 14, 2005, at 13:10:08
> Hi Tepi
>
> Tolvon and Remeron can cause anger as a side effect, especially if the dose is too high. I think you should reduce your dose to 15mg if you've got the 30mg tablets or 10mg if you've got the 10mg tablets.
>
> SALUDOS!
>
> Edanger as a side effect ed ? wow .
I am worried that it could be some kind of psychosis.
I have to tell this to my doctor in my next appointment .
Ed do you think the anxiety is going to fade off with time ? I feel agitated.TEPI
Posted by ed_uk on November 15, 2005, at 15:17:21
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » ed_uk, posted by Tepiaca on November 14, 2005, at 22:28:55
Hi Tepi
With Remeron and Tolvon, anger can occur as a side effect if the dose is too high. Some people who get angry, agitated and restless on Tolvon can benefit from a lower dose. Did you reduce your dose?
SALUDOS!
Ed
Posted by Tepiaca on November 15, 2005, at 23:14:43
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Tepiaca, posted by ed_uk on November 15, 2005, at 15:17:21
Did you reduce your dose?
>No yet Ed.
do you believe 15 days is enough to received the maximun effect of 30mg?
Posted by Tepiaca on November 15, 2005, at 23:18:19
In reply to Re: 3 days on Tolvon , should I continue taking it? » Tepiaca, posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2005, at 23:39:29
> Tepiaca hablo inglesia?
Yo hablo Ingles = I speak English =)I took lst year spanish in high school. A few words I remember.
cool phillipa
>Don't know yet about the bipolar. Guess I have to wait till Dec 22. Stay well mi amigo. Fondly, Phillipa/ Real name Jan so juana in Spanish
Good luck with your new Doctor Juana jejeTEP
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