Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1378

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High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by Alex on November 28, 1998, at 12:39:29

During the past three years I had to work my way up from 10mg 4x/day to 30mg 4x/day, which is 120mg/day. Is there anybody out there who takes similar amounts, or even more? Each time I enter a new pharmacy I am being made aware of the "fact" as they call it, that this is a highly unusual dose, and everytime they check with the doctor if he didn't do a numerical mistake there. I'd really like to know what and how other people are doing out there. Please feel free to e-mail me directly.
Alex

 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by spence on March 12, 1999, at 19:57:35

In reply to High doses of Dexedrine, posted by Alex on November 28, 1998, at 12:39:29

> During the past three years I had to work my way up from 10mg 4x/day to 30mg 4x/day, which is 120mg/day. Is there anybody out there who takes similar amounts, or even more? Each time I enter a new pharmacy I am being made aware of the "fact" as they call it, that this is a highly unusual dose, and everytime they check with the doctor if he didn't do a numerical mistake there. I'd really like to know what and how other people are doing out there. Please feel free to e-mail me directly.
> Alex

my aunt had to take 5 15's a day. She got messed up, bit her nails, never slept, and did hundreds of crosswords.
i cant believe anybody would be prescribed that much dex,
it must make you pretty sketchy.....
I have ADHD, but chose not to take medication for it,
im probably better off, but im not sure.

spence.

 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by spence on March 12, 1999, at 19:57:51

In reply to High doses of Dexedrine, posted by Alex on November 28, 1998, at 12:39:29

> During the past three years I had to work my way up from 10mg 4x/day to 30mg 4x/day, which is 120mg/day. Is there anybody out there who takes similar amounts, or even more? Each time I enter a new pharmacy I am being made aware of the "fact" as they call it, that this is a highly unusual dose, and everytime they check with the doctor if he didn't do a numerical mistake there. I'd really like to know what and how other people are doing out there. Please feel free to e-mail me directly.
> Alex

my aunt had to take 5 15's a day. She got messed up, bit her nails, never slept, and did hundreds of crosswords.
i cant believe anybody would be prescribed that much dex,
it must make you pretty sketchy.....
I have ADHD, but chose not to take medication for it,
im probably better off, but im not sure.

spence.

 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by Elizabeth on March 13, 1999, at 9:34:16

In reply to Re: High doses of Dexedrine, posted by spence on March 12, 1999, at 19:57:35

> my aunt had to take 5 15's a day. She got messed up, bit her nails, never slept, and did hundreds of crosswords.
> i cant believe anybody would be prescribed that much dex,
> it must make you pretty sketchy.....
> I have ADHD, but chose not to take medication for it,
> im probably better off, but im not sure.

That's cool. What do you do to manage it?

(It doesn't have to be either you're not taking any meds or you're completely wired, BTW. Ideally it should make you feel *normal*. It doesn't sound like your aunt was just normal....)

 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by saintjames on March 17, 1999, at 20:20:52

In reply to High doses of Dexedrine, posted by Alex on November 28, 1998, at 12:39:29

Each time I enter a new pharmacy I am being made aware of the "fact" as they call it, that this is a highly unusual dose, and everytime they check with the doctor if he didn't do a numerical mistake there.


Use the same pharmacy...that is what I do....a new pharmacy has to verify all controled substances


I'd really like to know what and how other people are doing out there. Please feel free to e-mail me directly.

James here.....

Yes there are persons on 100 mgs and above of Dex.
Provided you do better on the higher dose and sid effects are manageble then nothing is wrong.

james

 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by spence on March 28, 1999, at 5:24:25

In reply to Re: High doses of Dexedrine, posted by spence on March 12, 1999, at 19:57:51

> > During the past three years I had to work my way up from 10mg 4x/day to 30mg 4x/day, which is 120mg/day. Is there anybody out there who takes similar amounts, or even more? Each time I enter a new pharmacy I am being made aware of the "fact" as they call it, that this is a highly unusual dose, and everytime they check with the doctor if he didn't do a numerical mistake there. I'd really like to know what and how other people are doing out there. Please feel free to e-mail me directly.
> > Alex
>
> my aunt had to take 5 15's a day. She got messed up, bit her nails, never slept, and did hundreds of crosswords.
> i cant believe anybody would be prescribed that much dex,
> it must make you pretty sketchy.....
> I have ADHD, but chose not to take medication for it,
> im probably better off, but im not sure.
>
> spence.

hello.......it's Spence again.....
it's march 28th today;

-----i just thought of another story... my best
friend takes dexedrine, he's only supposed to
take 1 15 mg per day...but he is never able to
keep track; he often gets distracted so much that
he forgets to take his pill. Sometimes you have
to say his name 3 or 4 times before he
acknowledges you. It is somewhat frustrating, at
times, but it doesn't really bother me.


 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by sean7 on October 24, 2003, at 1:20:42

In reply to High doses of Dexedrine, posted by Alex on November 28, 1998, at 12:39:29

I have been taking amphetamines for 2 years off and on and the most dexedrine i've taken is 210mg in a 3 day period,now I can take 180mg or so in 24hrs without any dangerous side effects.Although it does give me insomnia,stomach upset,and emotional libility.I guess I just have a high tolerance to drugs and I am 6'3 215 pounds.I have also searched the internet thourghly about amphetamines and found that they really don't know the exact ld50{lethal dose} for humans it just depends on the person and their history.I do know that harvard doctors believe that it is 120mg for a 160 pound person and the ld50 for a rat is 96.8mg of dexedrine.Hope this informs some of you and if anybody could respond with high dose info please do so.

 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by MaTurtle on January 4, 2004, at 18:56:27

In reply to Re: High doses of Dexedrine, posted by sean7 on October 24, 2003, at 1:20:42

taken from - http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/dextroamphetamine.htm

--- OVERDOSE ---
Individual patient response to amphetamines varies widely. While toxic symptoms occasonally occur as an idiosyncrasy at doses as low as 2 mg; they are rare with doses of less than 15 mg; 30 mg can produce severe reactions yet doses of 400 to 500 mg are not necessarily fatal.

In rats, the oral LD50 of dextroamphetamine sulfate is 96.8 mg/kg.

Manifestations of acute overdosage with amphetamines include restlessness, tremor, hyperreflexia, rhabdomyolysis, rapid respiration hyperpyrexia, confusion, assaultiveness, hallucinations, panic states. Fatigue and depression usually follow the central stimulation.

Cardiovascular effects include arrhythmias hypertension or hypotension and circulatory collapse. Gastrointestinal symptoms include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and abdominal cramps. Fatal poisoning is usually preceded by convulsions and coma.

----------------

I'm pretty sure most people survive and recover from amphetamine overdoses, unless they are intolerant or hypersensitive. If your scared that you have overdosed just look for the symptoms of an overdosage. If you start to freak out, don't worry your probobly just paranoid from the amphetamines. I would only worry if you have heart or cardiovascular problems like hypertension or arrythmia. I would only worry about overdose in healty people if a tolerant person has taken 300+mg or an intolerant person taking 150+mg. but if your hypersensitive you could od on a smaller dose. Some meth addicts shoot 4-8 grams of methamphetamine into there viens and still live and eventually recover. D-amphetamine(dexedrine) is not as strong or long acting as methamphetamine(I'm not sure if it's actually stronger), meth has less cardiovascualr effects than adderall though, but I'm not sure about d-amphetamine(dexedrine)'s periphrial nervous system effects. A while back ago I took 200mg adderall xr in one day, and had a little paranoia/insomnia, but it was nothing like when I took two hits of meth from a pipe and was up for 3 days scared shitless. I OD from meth that one time and I was fine after my stomach stopped hurting and I ate and got some sleep, but it took 3 days. I'd say you know you have overdosed if you start to hallucinate and get visual disturbances, and you may think your going to die or something, you probobly won't you just think your going to die becasue your paranoid or maybe having a panic attack. Ushually when I start noticing my breathing and think I have to concentrate to take every breah or else I'll stop breathing, thats when I know I'm having a panic attack. That kind of stuff has happened to me on psychdelics too, the breathing thing. I don't do drugs anymore, but sometimes I do occassionally have to take a xanax for panic attack, but I only take 15mg dexedrine a day. When I abused it I think I only took like 40-80mg a day, so I can not say from personal experience what it's like to od on d-amph(dexedrine), although I'm sure it would be similar to the time I od on meth.

All in all becasue people react differently to chemicals, if your worried about some oding on amphetamines, check thier heart rate, if it's not dangerously high then they are just paranoid. However I'd be very worried if somone took a massive dosage and had a hard time walked or passed out, but you would have to take alot to make you pass out or lose motor control. Just be careful and monitor your heart rate, and hope to hell they don't start convulsing and going into a coma. I'd cry if I saw somone convulse and die from taking too much amphetamines, addiction makes me sad.

 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine » sean7

Posted by rhappy on September 6, 2005, at 10:49:08

In reply to Re: High doses of Dexedrine, posted by sean7 on October 24, 2003, at 1:20:42

> I have been taking amphetamines for 2 years off and on and the most dexedrine i've taken is 210mg in a 3 day period,now I can take 180mg or so in 24hrs without any dangerous side effects.Although it does give me insomnia,stomach upset,and emotional libility.I guess I just have a high tolerance to drugs and I am 6'3 215 pounds.I have also searched the internet thourghly about amphetamines and found that they really don't know the exact ld50{lethal dose} for humans it just depends on the person and their history.I do know that harvard doctors believe that it is 120mg for a 160 pound person and the ld50 for a rat is 96.8mg of dexedrine.Hope this informs some of you and if anybody could respond with high dose info please do so.


I find it hard to believe that 120mg for 160 lb person is lethal as i just got prescribed 120mg a day and i weight 80kg.

 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by Paulbwell on September 9, 2005, at 2:09:41

In reply to Re: High doses of Dexedrine » sean7, posted by rhappy on September 6, 2005, at 10:49:08

> > I have been taking amphetamines for 2 years off and on and the most dexedrine i've taken is 210mg in a 3 day period,now I can take 180mg or so in 24hrs without any dangerous side effects.Although it does give me insomnia,stomach upset,and emotional libility.I guess I just have a high tolerance to drugs and I am 6'3 215 pounds.I have also searched the internet thourghly about amphetamines and found that they really don't know the exact ld50{lethal dose} for humans it just depends on the person and their history.I do know that harvard doctors believe that it is 120mg for a 160 pound person and the ld50 for a rat is 96.8mg of dexedrine.Hope this informs some of you and if anybody could respond with high dose info please do so.
>
>
> I find it hard to believe that 120mg for 160 lb person is lethal as i just got prescribed 120mg a day and i weight 80kg.
>


On "sleepnet.com" website a narcoleptic patient takes 2, 30mgs Adderall IR tabs 4x a day=240mgs Adderall!!

Another Takes 4-5mgs Desoxyn(Methylphetamine Hcl tabs) 4x a day=80mgs Methylphetamine-the most potent stimulant there is.

So no your dose of Dex is not lethal!


Cheers

 

Re: High doses of Dexedrine

Posted by alohashirt on September 9, 2005, at 22:26:37

In reply to Re: High doses of Dexedrine, posted by Paulbwell on September 9, 2005, at 2:09:41

> > > I have been taking amphetamines for 2 years off and on and the most dexedrine i've taken is 210mg in a 3 day period,now I can take 180mg or so in 24hrs without any dangerous side effects.Although it does give me insomnia,stomach upset,and emotional libility.I guess I just have a high tolerance to drugs and I am 6'3 215 pounds.I have also searched the internet thourghly about amphetamines and found that they really don't know the exact ld50{lethal dose} for humans it just depends on the person and their history.I do know that harvard doctors believe that it is 120mg for a 160 pound person and the ld50 for a rat is 96.8mg of dexedrine.Hope this informs some of you and if anybody could respond with high dose info please do so.
> >
> >
> > I find it hard to believe that 120mg for 160 lb person is lethal as i just got prescribed 120mg a day and i weight 80kg.
> >
>
>
> On "sleepnet.com" website a narcoleptic patient takes 2, 30mgs Adderall IR tabs 4x a day=240mgs Adderall!!
>
> Another Takes 4-5mgs Desoxyn(Methylphetamine Hcl tabs) 4x a day=80mgs Methylphetamine-the most potent stimulant there is.
>
> So no your dose of Dex is not lethal!

A lethal dose is typically between 250mg and 1g or more.

Regular users devlop both a metabolic and a psychological tolerance. For some reason this tolerance can disappear if someone takes an amphetamine in a different location or context than their usual one. The majority of deaths due to amphetamines are not overdoses per se but rather death caused by aggressive, unthinking stupid behavior when judgement and mood are impaired.

 

Amphetamines+OD???? » alohashirt

Posted by Paulbwell on September 10, 2005, at 22:50:24

In reply to Re: High doses of Dexedrine, posted by alohashirt on September 9, 2005, at 22:26:37

"Amphetamine psychosis" can be produced by taking 10mgs Amphetamine on the hour-every hour-which can produce "the CIA is monitoring my thoughts in anyone"

DOES SPEED KILL??

Dr roger C Smith (who headed drug rehab programmes) found cases of people mainling speed at doses of 15,000mgs daily` and he discovered people could easily withstand IV doses of 400-500mgs daily, if they never took the drug before. The NORMAL dose orally is usually no more than 30mgs daily, 5 or 10mgs is more typical.


So "speed rarely kills"


Cheers

 

Re: Amphetamines+OD????

Posted by Declan on September 11, 2005, at 23:35:23

In reply to Amphetamines+OD???? » alohashirt, posted by Paulbwell on September 10, 2005, at 22:50:24

Might depend on whether you have a stroke or not. I took doses of amphetamine when younger that I'm sure would give me a stroke at the age of 52. I'll probably end up with a stroke anyway as all my father's family did.
Declan

 

Re: Amphetamines+OD???? » Declan

Posted by Chairman_MAO on September 13, 2005, at 9:12:10

In reply to Re: Amphetamines+OD????, posted by Declan on September 11, 2005, at 23:35:23

There is technically no such thing as a stimulant overdose. People die from secondary complications, usually [cardio]vascular incidents or seizures.

Even in a drug-naive person, if they are healthy it would probably take at LEAST 200mg, probably 300-400mg oral d-amphetamine to kill. I had a psychologist once who in the 1980s treated tons of high-profile, wealthy cocaine and methamphetamine addicts. He told me that most of his meth patients would routinely inject ampoules containing 120mg of methamphetamine hcl. The street name for them was "bombitas", or "little bombs", and they cost a few bucks.

A good book to read if you want to learn basic facts about drug action, lethal doses, history, etc. of popular drugs of use and abuse is Tibor Palfai and Henry Jankiewicz's "Drugs and Human Behavior". There is no finer introductory reference; I was blessed to have both of them as professors at Syracuse University.

 

Re: Amphetamines+OD???? » Chairman_MAO

Posted by Declan on September 13, 2005, at 23:44:17

In reply to Re: Amphetamines+OD???? » Declan, posted by Chairman_MAO on September 13, 2005, at 9:12:10

Hey chairman, I tried to order it ages ago from amazon.com, and was told it couldn't be sent to Australia. Probably some copywrite thing, British Commonwealth maybe?
Declan

 

Re: Amphetamines+OD????

Posted by alohashirt on September 15, 2005, at 20:15:11

In reply to Re: Amphetamines+OD???? » Declan, posted by Chairman_MAO on September 13, 2005, at 9:12:10

Ultimately it probably doesn't matter overmuch if a death arises as a secondary consequence or a direct pharmacologically induced event. Many, many years ago a friend who was believed to be in good spirits consumed too much whisy and LSD and then shot himself, a few days after his 19th birthday. Tragic story, no real meassage to it.

> There is technically no such thing as a stimulant overdose. People die from secondary complications, usually [cardio]vascular incidents or seizures.
>
> Even in a drug-naive person, if they are healthy it would probably take at LEAST 200mg, probably 300-400mg oral d-amphetamine to kill. I had a psychologist once who in the 1980s treated tons of high-profile, wealthy cocaine and methamphetamine addicts. He told me that most of his meth patients would routinely inject ampoules containing 120mg of methamphetamine hcl. The street name for them was "bombitas", or "little bombs", and they cost a few bucks.
>
> A good book to read if you want to learn basic facts about drug action, lethal doses, history, etc. of popular drugs of use and abuse is Tibor Palfai and Henry Jankiewicz's "Drugs and Human Behavior". There is no finer introductory reference; I was blessed to have both of them as professors at Syracuse University.
>
>

 

Re: drugs human behavior book » Declan

Posted by Chairman_MAO on September 16, 2005, at 10:18:45

In reply to Re: Amphetamines+OD???? » Chairman_MAO, posted by Declan on September 13, 2005, at 23:44:17

I suggest calling the Syracuse University Bookstore in Syracuse, NY and ordering a copy if you really want it. You can also try the "Orange Bookstore" in Syracuse, NY to see if they have a better price.

Both stores should ahve used copies.

 

Re: Amphetamines+OD???? » alohashirt

Posted by Chairman_MAO on September 16, 2005, at 10:20:22

In reply to Re: Amphetamines+OD????, posted by alohashirt on September 15, 2005, at 20:15:11

Of course it matters: whether it is primary or secondary helps people evaluate the risk of taking a given substance, giving consideration to extant risk factors, such as high BP, etc.

 

Re: Amphetamines+OD????

Posted by alohashirt on September 17, 2005, at 16:09:00

In reply to Re: Amphetamines+OD???? » alohashirt, posted by Chairman_MAO on September 16, 2005, at 10:20:22

> Of course it matters: whether it is primary or secondary helps people evaluate the risk of taking a given substance, giving consideration to extant risk factors, such as high BP, etc.

That probably doesn't concern the person who is dead or their loved ones. Dead is dead.


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