Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 546903

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Does this make Sense?

Posted by denise1966 on August 26, 2005, at 11:57:27

I've felt suicidal all week on Nardil. I know that 10mg of Zyprexa will make me feel a lot better but I'm always so reluctant to take it no matter how bad I feel because I'm scared that if I keep taking it I'll develop a tolerence to it. Also, although I feel a lot better depression wise when I take it, I still feel like I've cheated in some way and opted for an easy way out by taking Zyprexa.

Also, I just can't understand why antidepressants won't work for me, it just doesn't make sense.


Denise

 

Re: Does this make Sense?

Posted by linkadge on August 26, 2005, at 12:01:07

In reply to Does this make Sense?, posted by denise1966 on August 26, 2005, at 11:57:27

They don't work for me. I am getting by on sleep deprivation and exercise.


Linkadge

 

Re: Does this make Sense?

Posted by linkadge on August 26, 2005, at 12:21:17

In reply to Does this make Sense?, posted by denise1966 on August 26, 2005, at 11:57:27

Why would you consider zyrpexa an easy way out and an antidepressant not?

Just because somebody lables something "antidepressant" doesn't mean that it will be for you, or that things not labled "antidperessants" can't be.

Parnate was supposed to be a "bug gun" antidepressant but it made my moods so dark and scarry, and suicidal It was unbelievable. I started to freak out, I said, "if this is the best they've got then I'm f**cked!!", but the point is that something *else* did work.


I get trapped by lables too. If you find something that works take it, because you may just improve, and when you start to improve, then you brain may latch onto other helpful treatments.

So what if it stops working. Are you not going to put a band-aid on your cut just because it might fall off when you're playing in the mud, it will at least provide some protection while it is on.


Half of these drugs were discovered *by accident*, and therefore your intiuition is no less dumb, when you cross paths with something that helps.


Linkadge

 

Re: Does this make Sense?

Posted by denise1966 on August 26, 2005, at 12:51:02

In reply to Re: Does this make Sense?, posted by linkadge on August 26, 2005, at 12:21:17

Linkadge,

Thanks so much, sometimes I just need somebody to tell me to take it.

It sounds to me as though I'm responding to Nardil in pretty much the same way that you responded to Parnate. It's a pity they can't predict by doing scans, who is going to respond to what and why they're responding to them.

But I still think you must be the stronger person if you're managing to get by on sleep deprivation and exercise and not taking anything at all. Is it really helping you? I hope so because I'd hate to think anyone could feel as I do now with nothing to help them. I know there is no way I could cope on just exercise and sleep deprivation.

One other thing, they're doing a trial on DBS here in Bristol and I've been corresponding with the Doctor but I wonder why I'm even considering trying to get on a trial for something like that when I won't even take Zyprexa. I suppose I just want to have as many options open to me as possible.

I just wish I could be cured, when I took antidepressants for the first time ever I felt cured. I just don't understand why they don't work anymore and nobody else seems to know either. I keep thinking there must be some biological/chemical reason why I'm not responding to them now when I used to respond to them before and if they could just put that right then I'd respond to them. I sometimes worry that I have no serotonin receptors left and that's the reason why.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond Linkadge.


Denise

 

Re: Does this make Sense? denise1966

Posted by Racer on August 26, 2005, at 13:35:33

In reply to Re: Does this make Sense?, posted by denise1966 on August 26, 2005, at 12:51:02


> I just wish I could be cured, when I took antidepressants for the first time ever I felt cured. I just don't understand why they don't work anymore and nobody else seems to know either. I keep thinking there must be some biological/chemical reason why I'm not responding to them now when I used to respond to them before and if they could just put that right then I'd respond to them. I sometimes worry that I have no serotonin receptors left and that's the reason why.
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This may be an obvious question, but what were you taking at first that worked for you and how long ago?

Way back in the old days, before Prozac, I took nortriptyline and thought it was a miracle. First time I could remember feeling like myself. (I know -- don't ask how I knew it was "myself" if I'd never felt that way before...) Then, on Paxil, I felt almost as close to being myself. Then, with subsequent drugs, things kinda went downhill. They were definitely better than the alternative, but not quite good enough to be able to think of staying on them indefinitely.

I don't think that it's as easy as saying that the drugs aren't working as well for me -- I think that my expectations have changed. Now, it's not enough to block some of the depression, and side effects that I could tolerate before just aren't worth it to me now. That's not to say that the drugs work just fine, but I'm not satisfied. It doesn't feel as though the drugs are coming nearly close enough to working anymore. Problem is, they're probably working about as well as some of the other drugs did, but that's not good enough anymore. Now I want to be depression free, not just less depressed. And I want to be able to function adequately, and I just can't see tolerating some of the worst side effects of those other drugs anymore. Taking something for a year or two is one thing, but taking something indefinitely is something else again.

That's probably too rambling to be helpful, but I hope it helps a bit. And I second Link: if the Zyprexa helps, take it.

 

Re: Does this make Sense?

Posted by linkadge on August 26, 2005, at 14:16:25

In reply to Re: Does this make Sense? denise1966, posted by Racer on August 26, 2005, at 13:35:33

Nobody knows why the drugs poop out.

I would assume it is due to the fact that SSRIs completely ruin sleep archetecture.


Linkadge



 

Re: Does this make Sense? linkadge

Posted by Phillipa on August 26, 2005, at 18:31:47

In reply to Re: Does this make Sense?, posted by linkadge on August 26, 2005, at 14:16:25

Link is what you just said really true about sleep? What used to work doesn't anymore including AD's. The same thing happened to me Racer and that's the truth. But I agree that is zyprexa works take it. Fondly, Phillipa

 

Re: Does this make Sense?

Posted by linkadge on August 27, 2005, at 9:46:26

In reply to Re: Does this make Sense? linkadge, posted by Phillipa on August 26, 2005, at 18:31:47

There is evidence that SSRIs can definately impact sleep archetecture negatively.

I rememeber on celexa, I would just about phase out and then boom I would wake up again, (this pattern would repeat itself for hours and hours)
On the days that I slept the worst, the AD effect would be the best. If I slept sound, the day would be very bla, and blue.

Deep restorative sleep may be depressing, but it is healthy for the brain. I am under the belief that the apathy, and the zombie like states I was experiencing were a result of lack of restorative sleep.

I also belive that there are psychological effects of a lack of orgasm. I read somewhere that after an orgasm certain powerful chemcials are relased that help you concentrate. When I go for weeks without one, who knows the concequenses !??

A lot of the drug layering (stimulants, sedatives, anticonvulsants, etc) seemed to be in responce to problems that came up from sleep deprivation.

I know that sleeping better coming off them has been benifical. I am very blue the next day, but certain things have definately improved, like the ability to read things and ability to focus on whats infront of me. I am not apathetic, just very blue.

Linkadge


 

Re: Does this make Sense?

Posted by marleenm on August 28, 2005, at 17:13:36

In reply to Does this make Sense?, posted by denise1966 on August 26, 2005, at 11:57:27

What medicines do for me and other people aren't ncessarily going to do the same thing for you. Our chemical makeup is so different from person to person. What I did for myself was to keep trying meds until I found one that worked well for me. It took me a little while but you have to be your own advocate. The suicidal feelings will go away but acting on them won't.

 

Re: Does this make Sense? linkadge

Posted by platinumbride on August 29, 2005, at 11:20:36

In reply to Re: Does this make Sense?, posted by linkadge on August 27, 2005, at 9:46:26

This will probably be redirectd, but do you think that this whole fish oil thing and "protecting the brain" holds any water? (no pun intended) Can taking that nasty stuff protect one from the crap we deal with on SSRIs? or other ADs? Can it give one REAL sleep as it "protects"?

Diane

> There is evidence that SSRIs can definately impact sleep archetecture negatively.
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> I rememeber on celexa, I would just about phase out and then boom I would wake up again, (this pattern would repeat itself for hours and hours)
> On the days that I slept the worst, the AD effect would be the best. If I slept sound, the day would be very bla, and blue.
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> Deep restorative sleep may be depressing, but it is healthy for the brain. I am under the belief that the apathy, and the zombie like states I was experiencing were a result of lack of restorative sleep.
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> I also belive that there are psychological effects of a lack of orgasm. I read somewhere that after an orgasm certain powerful chemcials are relased that help you concentrate. When I go for weeks without one, who knows the concequenses !??
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> A lot of the drug layering (stimulants, sedatives, anticonvulsants, etc) seemed to be in responce to problems that came up from sleep deprivation.
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> I know that sleeping better coming off them has been benifical. I am very blue the next day, but certain things have definately improved, like the ability to read things and ability to focus on whats infront of me. I am not apathetic, just very blue.
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> Linkadge
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Redirect: fish oil

Posted by Dr. Bob on August 29, 2005, at 17:02:42

In reply to Re: Does this make Sense? linkadge, posted by platinumbride on August 29, 2005, at 11:20:36

> This will probably be redirectd, but do you think that this whole fish oil thing and "protecting the brain" holds any water?

I would in fact like to redirect follow-ups regarding fish oil to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20050812/msgs/548269.html

Thanks,

Bob


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