Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 484614

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Fluoxetine @ Sam's Club - Good Price

Posted by irishcatholic on April 15, 2005, at 10:23:01

Yesterday I saw fluoxetine (generic Prozac 20mg capsules) at Sam's Club pharmacy for $5.30 (US) for 30 capsules. They even had a sign advertising it at the counter!

 

Re: Fluoxetine @ Sam's Club - Good Price irishcatholic

Posted by ed_uk on April 15, 2005, at 10:36:07

In reply to Fluoxetine @ Sam's Club - Good Price, posted by irishcatholic on April 15, 2005, at 10:23:01

Hi,

In the UK, 30 capsules of generic fluoxetine 20mg only costs the NHS 2.11. It's very cheap!

Ed.

 

Soon it will be in gumball machines!! (nm)

Posted by linkadge on April 15, 2005, at 18:41:28

In reply to Re: Fluoxetine @ Sam's Club - Good Price irishcatholic, posted by ed_uk on April 15, 2005, at 10:36:07

 

Re: Fluoxetine @ Sam's Club - Good Price

Posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2005, at 19:25:06

In reply to Re: Fluoxetine @ Sam's Club - Good Price irishcatholic, posted by ed_uk on April 15, 2005, at 10:36:07

I didn't even Sam's Club had a Rx! Fondly, Phillipa

 

Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! (nm)

Posted by Ritch on April 15, 2005, at 21:59:33

In reply to Soon it will be in gumball machines!! (nm), posted by linkadge on April 15, 2005, at 18:41:28

 

Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Ritch

Posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2005, at 22:04:26

In reply to Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! (nm), posted by Ritch on April 15, 2005, at 21:59:33

Don't laugh, you may be right. I read somewhere that they are finding levels of Ad's in the water supply. That's the truth, at least that's what the article said. Fondly, Phillipa

 

Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Phillipa

Posted by Maxime on April 15, 2005, at 23:36:31

In reply to Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Ritch, posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2005, at 22:04:26

> Don't laugh, you may be right. I read somewhere that they are finding levels of Ad's in the water supply. That's the truth, at least that's what the article said. Fondly, Phillipa

Don't believe everything you read. Maxime's rule number one!

Maxime

 

Re: Prozac is NOT in water! That was a hoax! Phillipa

Posted by Larry Hoover on April 16, 2005, at 8:11:35

In reply to Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Ritch, posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2005, at 22:04:26

> Don't laugh, you may be right. I read somewhere that they are finding levels of Ad's in the water supply. That's the truth, at least that's what the article said. Fondly, Phillipa

That is one reason I despise certain aspects of the press.....particularly the British press. Even though it's false, people remember it.

The headline, the supposed "data", all of it, was totally fabricated.

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20040811/msgs/377927.html

Lar

 

Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Phillipa

Posted by Ritch on April 16, 2005, at 11:00:51

In reply to Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Ritch, posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2005, at 22:04:26

> Don't laugh, you may be right. I read somewhere that they are finding levels of Ad's in the water supply. That's the truth, at least that's what the article said. Fondly, Phillipa

Hi, when I mentioned that.. I was actually thinking about it being purposefully put there by a goverment like fluoride, but that's hopefully science fiction. :)

 

Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Ritch

Posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2005, at 14:48:11

In reply to Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Phillipa, posted by Ritch on April 16, 2005, at 11:00:51

I have a lot of faith in what Lar says. So I believe him. And thanks Lar for the link. Fondly, Phillipa

 

Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Phillipa

Posted by Larry Hoover on April 16, 2005, at 14:59:03

In reply to Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Ritch, posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2005, at 14:48:11

> I have a lot of faith in what Lar says. So I believe him. And thanks Lar for the link. Fondly, Phillipa

In this case, just for the record, it is literally my area of expertise. I'm an environmental toxicologist, and my focus was on man-made chemicals that are emitted from sewage treatment plants, and what happens to them/what they do if they enter the environment.

Lar

 

Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Larry Hoover

Posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2005, at 15:13:45

In reply to Re: Soon it will be in the water supply!! Phillipa, posted by Larry Hoover on April 16, 2005, at 14:59:03

Thanks Lar, Somewhere I read this about you before so I know you know your stuff! Fondly, Phillipa

 

Re: Prozac is NOT in water! YOU TELL 'EM, LAR (nm)

Posted by flipsactown on April 16, 2005, at 15:31:50

In reply to Re: Prozac is NOT in water! That was a hoax! Phillipa, posted by Larry Hoover on April 16, 2005, at 8:11:35

 

Re: really that was a hoax ?

Posted by linkadge on April 16, 2005, at 17:43:51

In reply to Re: Prozac is NOT in water! YOU TELL 'EM, LAR (nm), posted by flipsactown on April 16, 2005, at 15:31:50

It is concievable. Was birth controll pills in the water a hoax too ??

Linkadge

 

Re: really that was a hoax ? linkadge

Posted by Larry Hoover on April 16, 2005, at 18:38:18

In reply to Re: really that was a hoax ?, posted by linkadge on April 16, 2005, at 17:43:51

> It is concievable. Was birth controll pills in the water a hoax too ??
>
> Linkadge

Yes, the Prozac thing was a complete hoax.

http://www.dwi.gov.uk/pressrel/2004/pr0304.shtm

Here's the link to the original scientific report, but it's not opening correctly for me, right now. The link is active, it's just not opening.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/commondata/105385/p601206trv2_578719.pdf

First off, our own bodies near totally degrade Prozac before excretion. There is very little entering sewage treatment plants, but none leaves. It's all broken down, or bound in the sediment that is precipitated out in a process that is called flocculation. However, birth control hormones do persist in the environment. Here's why.

The normal half-life of natural estrogen in a woman's body is about 90 seconds. It's constantly created and consumed. In order to develop a pill that could be taken once a day, rather than every 90 seconds (heh), they changed the molecule around so that it doesn't fit the destructive liver enzyme any more, but it still agonizes the estrogen receptors in the reproductive tract. The result was a long-lasting estrogen analog, which is gradually lost in urine.

The problem is that this synthetic estrogen doesn't fit into the enzymes Mother Nature gave bacteria, either. Sewage treatment plants are really bacterial digesters....all the equipment is designed to maximize the metabolic activity of bacteria. Some stuff, though, even the bacteria can't turn into food.

Synthetic birth control hormones enter the receiving water below sewage treatment plants unchanged. So does most of the tylenol you take, as another example.

There is a big problem with xenoestrogens (literally, estrogens from outside), and other endocrine disrupting chemicals, persisting in the environment. We know of thousands of different ones. DDT is an estrogenic chemical. Even worse is the metabolite of DDT, called DDE. That's what nearly killed off all the eagles twenty years ago. The DDT and DDE clogged the estrogen-dependent calcium pumps that created the egg shells. Fertile eggs were laid, but the shells were too weak, and could not be incubated without crushing them.

Your clothes detergents are different today than they were ten years ago, in part because of work I assisted on. Nonylphenol polyethoxylates were replaced by other detergents; NPEs are estrogenic. We caused male fish to grow ova in their testes, in the laboratory, at 50-100 ppb NPE, similar to levels found in waters near sewage outflows. They've only just now been banned in Britain.

We, at first, thought that these detergent chemicals were responsible for the feminization of fish in waterways receiving treated sewage, but then someone thought to actually check for hormones themselves. Lo and behold, there they were.

Anyway, it's been a few years since I worked on this stuff....but just two days ago I saw another of my old interests, in the news again....bisphenol-A, a component of polycarbonate plastics (hard water bottles), food can lacquers (to keep food from tasting tinny), plastic tooth repair cements (so-called "white fillings"), and others. Exposure to bisphenol-A was just shown to cause attention deficit and hyperactivity following in utero exposures. It's also an endocrine-disrupting chemical with estrogenic binding affinities.

Makes you think. One man's sewage is the next man's drinking water. There's no Prozac in it though. Caffeine, yes. Prozac, no.

Lar

 

Re: really that was a hoax ?

Posted by irishcatholic on April 18, 2005, at 10:41:19

In reply to Re: really that was a hoax ? linkadge, posted by Larry Hoover on April 16, 2005, at 18:38:18

great info
thanks Lar for the education!

 

Re: Prozac is NOT in water! That was a hoax!

Posted by paulbwell on April 19, 2005, at 22:44:53

In reply to Re: Prozac is NOT in water! That was a hoax! Phillipa, posted by Larry Hoover on April 16, 2005, at 8:11:35

Its all the folks throwing their unwanted zac down the loo!

 

Re: Prozac is NOT in water! That was a hoax! paulbwell

Posted by Larry Hoover on April 20, 2005, at 8:01:10

In reply to Re: Prozac is NOT in water! That was a hoax!, posted by paulbwell on April 19, 2005, at 22:44:53

> Its all the folks throwing their unwanted zac down the loo!

I know you're not really making a serious comment, but it doesn't matter. It never makes it to the outflow of sewage treatment plants.

Lar


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