Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 373385

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Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works....

Posted by jerrympls on August 2, 2004, at 21:17:17

I've been on benzos, Ambien, Sonata, Trazodone (eww I HATE Trazodone), Chloral Hydrate (long time ago), Seroquel, Atarax, Benedryl, etc etc.

The problem is either the med is too weak to get me to sleep and my docs are too conservative to increase the dose - or the med is too sedating and I'm late to work.

I bring up Nembutal (barbiturate) and there's no way they'll prescribe it for me (although I've been on it before when I lived in a different state - different doc) and it's the BEST sleep I've gotten EVER.

So, yeah, I need to have a sleep evaluation - but what to take to help me sleep in the meantime?????

Any ideas?

Jerry

 

Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works....

Posted by KaraS on August 2, 2004, at 22:10:07

In reply to Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works...., posted by jerrympls on August 2, 2004, at 21:17:17

> I've been on benzos, Ambien, Sonata, Trazodone (eww I HATE Trazodone), Chloral Hydrate (long time ago), Seroquel, Atarax, Benedryl, etc etc.
>
> The problem is either the med is too weak to get me to sleep and my docs are too conservative to increase the dose - or the med is too sedating and I'm late to work.
>
> I bring up Nembutal (barbiturate) and there's no way they'll prescribe it for me (although I've been on it before when I lived in a different state - different doc) and it's the BEST sleep I've gotten EVER.
>
> So, yeah, I need to have a sleep evaluation - but what to take to help me sleep in the meantime?????
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Jerry


Have you tried Neurontin, GABA, valerian, maprotiline, tryptophan or 5-htp?

There's nothing worse than not being able to sleep. You just can't function without it. Most of us have been there. Hope you find something that works for you.

Kara

 

Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works....

Posted by SLS on August 2, 2004, at 22:43:50

In reply to Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works...., posted by KaraS on August 2, 2004, at 22:10:07

> > I've been on benzos, Ambien, Sonata, Trazodone (eww I HATE Trazodone), Chloral Hydrate (long time ago), Seroquel, Atarax, Benedryl, etc etc.
> >
> > The problem is either the med is too weak to get me to sleep and my docs are too conservative to increase the dose - or the med is too sedating and I'm late to work.
> >
> > I bring up Nembutal (barbiturate) and there's no way they'll prescribe it for me (although I've been on it before when I lived in a different state - different doc) and it's the BEST sleep I've gotten EVER.
> >
> > So, yeah, I need to have a sleep evaluation - but what to take to help me sleep in the meantime?????
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Jerry
>
>
> Have you tried Neurontin, GABA, valerian, maprotiline, tryptophan or 5-htp?
>
> There's nothing worse than not being able to sleep. You just can't function without it. Most of us have been there. Hope you find something that works for you.
>
> Kara


I don't see Remeron there, but I'm sure you've considered it. That's too bad about the Nembutal. I think doctors have become paranoid that everyone is watching over them to monitor if they are prescribing demonic drugs like benzodiazepines and barbiturates. It is so unenlightened not to use these tools. During a difficult bout of insomnia resulting from antidepressant treatment, I found it necessary to combine Halcion 1.0mg + Ativan 2-4mg. Halcion is a strong drug with a short half-life. It will knock you out, but you need something to keep you out after it is eliminated from the body. That's what the Ativan was for. I wish I could direct you to something printed in black and white to offer your doctor. He will most likely be resistant to using Halcion at all, let alone at dosages above 0.5mg and combined with another benzodiazepine. Maybe Halcion + Remeron would work out as a compromise.


- Scott

 

Sinequan or Surmontil?

Posted by Sad Panda on August 2, 2004, at 22:55:54

In reply to Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works...., posted by jerrympls on August 2, 2004, at 21:17:17

Sinequan or Surmontil? They have a good half life for sleep. I'm not sure that Barbs should be considered anymore, I think a high doseage of Benzos is just as sedating without respiratory depression.

Cheers,
Panda.

 

Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works.... » KaraS

Posted by jerrympls on August 2, 2004, at 23:23:58

In reply to Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works...., posted by KaraS on August 2, 2004, at 22:10:07

> > I've been on benzos, Ambien, Sonata, Trazodone (eww I HATE Trazodone), Chloral Hydrate (long time ago), Seroquel, Atarax, Benedryl, etc etc.
> >
> > The problem is either the med is too weak to get me to sleep and my docs are too conservative to increase the dose - or the med is too sedating and I'm late to work.
> >
> > I bring up Nembutal (barbiturate) and there's no way they'll prescribe it for me (although I've been on it before when I lived in a different state - different doc) and it's the BEST sleep I've gotten EVER.
> >
> > So, yeah, I need to have a sleep evaluation - but what to take to help me sleep in the meantime?????
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Jerry
>
>
> Have you tried Neurontin, GABA, valerian, maprotiline, tryptophan or 5-htp?
>
> There's nothing worse than not being able to sleep. You just can't function without it. Most of us have been there. Hope you find something that works for you.
>
> Kara

Hi Kara-

I've tried valerian. Can one get tryptophan in the US?

 

Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works.... » SLS

Posted by jerrympls on August 2, 2004, at 23:26:57

In reply to Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works...., posted by SLS on August 2, 2004, at 22:43:50

> > > I've been on benzos, Ambien, Sonata, Trazodone (eww I HATE Trazodone), Chloral Hydrate (long time ago), Seroquel, Atarax, Benedryl, etc etc.
> > >
> > > The problem is either the med is too weak to get me to sleep and my docs are too conservative to increase the dose - or the med is too sedating and I'm late to work.
> > >
> > > I bring up Nembutal (barbiturate) and there's no way they'll prescribe it for me (although I've been on it before when I lived in a different state - different doc) and it's the BEST sleep I've gotten EVER.
> > >
> > > So, yeah, I need to have a sleep evaluation - but what to take to help me sleep in the meantime?????
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Jerry
> >
> >
> > Have you tried Neurontin, GABA, valerian, maprotiline, tryptophan or 5-htp?
> >
> > There's nothing worse than not being able to sleep. You just can't function without it. Most of us have been there. Hope you find something that works for you.
> >
> > Kara
>
>
> I don't see Remeron there, but I'm sure you've considered it. That's too bad about the Nembutal. I think doctors have become paranoid that everyone is watching over them to monitor if they are prescribing demonic drugs like benzodiazepines and barbiturates. It is so unenlightened not to use these tools. During a difficult bout of insomnia resulting from antidepressant treatment, I found it necessary to combine Halcion 1.0mg + Ativan 2-4mg. Halcion is a strong drug with a short half-life. It will knock you out, but you need something to keep you out after it is eliminated from the body. That's what the Ativan was for. I wish I could direct you to something printed in black and white to offer your doctor. He will most likely be resistant to using Halcion at all, let alone at dosages above 0.5mg and combined with another benzodiazepine. Maybe Halcion + Remeron would work out as a compromise.
>
>
> - Scott

No Remeron because of weight gain - I've already gained 100lbs from the Seroquel. I'm hoping he'll let me go on Halcion again - it has helped in the past.

 

Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works.... » jerrympls

Posted by sb417 on August 3, 2004, at 0:54:18

In reply to Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works...., posted by jerrympls on August 2, 2004, at 21:17:17

Hi. I find magnesium to be very helpful for relaxation and sleep. Sometimes it's a little too relaxing! Apparently the best or most absorbable form is chelated magnesium as magnesium glycinate. I think magnesium citrate is good, too.

 

Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works.... » jerrympls

Posted by KaraS on August 3, 2004, at 1:15:09

In reply to Re: Tried everything for insomnia - nothing works.... » KaraS, posted by jerrympls on August 2, 2004, at 23:23:58

Yes, you can get tryptophan in the U.S. Some doctors offices sell it - generally the more holistic doctors. Also, you can order it from abroad legally without a script or you can order it from veterinary supply places. Larry Hoover mentions a vet supply place that he orders from in one of his posts. It's really a good product because as he put it "no one gives cheap crap to very expensive horses". If you're interested, do a search here.

 

Re: Sinequan or Surmontil?

Posted by SLS on August 3, 2004, at 6:02:48

In reply to Sinequan or Surmontil?, posted by Sad Panda on August 2, 2004, at 22:55:54

> I'm not sure that Barbs should be considered anymore, I think a high doseage of Benzos is just as sedating without respiratory depression.

You are absolutely right - as long as it works.

Because my history demonstrates such a lack of success using the more routine treatments, I'm a little more apt to consider as viable tools drugs that have fallen out of favor simply because they have to be administered more carefully - MAOIs for example. I would hate to see barbiturates vanish. I'm sure there are some people who still need them. There is one poster here in particular who seems to thrive on them. He appears to me to be a reliable and responsible reporter. I can't, however, produce him for scrutiny, of course.


- Scott

 

Benzos v Barbs. » SLS

Posted by Sad Panda on August 3, 2004, at 7:36:16

In reply to Re: Sinequan or Surmontil?, posted by SLS on August 3, 2004, at 6:02:48

> > I'm not sure that Barbs should be considered anymore, I think a high doseage of Benzos is just as sedating without respiratory depression.
>
> You are absolutely right - as long as it works.
>
> Because my history demonstrates such a lack of success using the more routine treatments, I'm a little more apt to consider as viable tools drugs that have fallen out of favor simply because they have to be administered more carefully - MAOIs for example. I would hate to see barbiturates vanish. I'm sure there are some people who still need them. There is one poster here in particular who seems to thrive on them. He appears to me to be a reliable and responsible reporter. I can't, however, produce him for scrutiny, of course.
>
>
> - Scott
>
>

Hi Scott,

My understanding of barbiturates is that they are so dangerous that you really can't give a months supply to a person who is depressed. If I had a bottle of them 12 months ago, I would have swallowed the lot in one go. Am I being Barbophobic? or do they really have a legitimate useage still?

Cheers,
Panda.

 

Re: Benzos v Barbs.

Posted by SLS on August 3, 2004, at 11:58:38

In reply to Benzos v Barbs. » SLS, posted by Sad Panda on August 3, 2004, at 7:36:16

> My understanding of barbiturates is that they are so dangerous that you really can't give a months supply to a person who is depressed. If I had a bottle of them 12 months ago, I would have swallowed the lot in one go. Am I being Barbophobic? or do they really have a legitimate useage still?

I really don't know enough about all of the aspects of this issue to offer a debate, although it certainly deserves one. The most practical place to start is to list the barbiturates that we currently still need. I think phenobarbital would qualify.


- Scott

 

Re: Benzos v Barbs.

Posted by Racer on August 3, 2004, at 12:00:22

In reply to Benzos v Barbs. » SLS, posted by Sad Panda on August 3, 2004, at 7:36:16

Just as a knee jerk reaction, I'd say that they do still have a good use -- but only in people who don't really need them ;-) You know, people who are not depressed enough to take the whole bottle in one go.

I'm guessing insomnia is one of the more common symptoms of mood disorders, and I know that it's a big problem for me. Believe it or not, the Provigil seems to be helping regulate my sleep patterns better than anything else ever has, with fewer side effects, etc. Then again, I'm weird -- ask anyone.

The other thing that has helped a lot, though, is the whole low-tech behavioral routine: no caffeine after whatever time, resist napping during the afternoon, some sort of regular exercise, etc. I can't say it's as easy as meds, and I certainly won't tell you it's anywhere near as reliable, but it really seems to be working for me as well as anything else has overall. ("Overall" is a relative term here: I'm sleeping at least five or six hours virtually every night, so not necessarily as many hours as I really need, but at least it's consistently close enough for government work; and even if I'm tired the next day, I'm not feeling doped up and groggy -- just tired. For me, that's an improvement, but for someone else, it might not be.)

Since this was a drug question, I'll add that Xanax has always worked for me at high enough doses, so I have nothing to base any recommendations on. Except, of course, that the Provigil really seems to help regulate my circadian rhythms. If the sleeping meds themselves aren't working out, maybe a waking med in the day might be worth a try?

 

Re: Benzos v Barbs. » Sad Panda

Posted by KaraS on August 3, 2004, at 14:21:09

In reply to Benzos v Barbs. » SLS, posted by Sad Panda on August 3, 2004, at 7:36:16

> > > I'm not sure that Barbs should be considered anymore, I think a high doseage of Benzos is just as sedating without respiratory depression.
> >
> > You are absolutely right - as long as it works.
> >
> > Because my history demonstrates such a lack of success using the more routine treatments, I'm a little more apt to consider as viable tools drugs that have fallen out of favor simply because they have to be administered more carefully - MAOIs for example. I would hate to see barbiturates vanish. I'm sure there are some people who still need them. There is one poster here in particular who seems to thrive on them. He appears to me to be a reliable and responsible reporter. I can't, however, produce him for scrutiny, of course.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> >
> >
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> My understanding of barbiturates is that they are so dangerous that you really can't give a months supply to a person who is depressed. If I had a bottle of them 12 months ago, I would have swallowed the lot in one go. Am I being Barbophobic? or do they really have a legitimate useage still?
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
>

Panda,
Benzos, or any psychotropic meds for that matter, would be extremely dangerous if you took the whole bottle. Why are barbs any different here?

Kara

 

Re: Benzos v Barbs.

Posted by Sad Panda on August 4, 2004, at 1:50:08

In reply to Re: Benzos v Barbs. » Sad Panda, posted by KaraS on August 3, 2004, at 14:21:09

> > > > I'm not sure that Barbs should be considered anymore, I think a high doseage of Benzos is just as sedating without respiratory depression.
> > >
> > > You are absolutely right - as long as it works.
> > >
> > > Because my history demonstrates such a lack of success using the more routine treatments, I'm a little more apt to consider as viable tools drugs that have fallen out of favor simply because they have to be administered more carefully - MAOIs for example. I would hate to see barbiturates vanish. I'm sure there are some people who still need them. There is one poster here in particular who seems to thrive on them. He appears to me to be a reliable and responsible reporter. I can't, however, produce him for scrutiny, of course.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > My understanding of barbiturates is that they are so dangerous that you really can't give a months supply to a person who is depressed. If I had a bottle of them 12 months ago, I would have swallowed the lot in one go. Am I being Barbophobic? or do they really have a legitimate useage still?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panda.
> >
>
> Panda,
> Benzos, or any psychotropic meds for that matter, would be extremely dangerous if you took the whole bottle. Why are barbs any different here?
>
> Kara
>
>

I pretty sure, but not certain that you can take a 1 month supply of Benzos & survive, while less that two weeks worth on Babiturates will kill you. Both groups do essentially the same thing, except, the Barbiturates depress the breathing centre of the brain stem much more severely & have a drastically lower therapeutic index.

Cheers,
Panda.

 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics? » Sad Panda

Posted by KaraS on August 4, 2004, at 3:37:00

In reply to Re: Benzos v Barbs., posted by Sad Panda on August 4, 2004, at 1:50:08

> > > > > I'm not sure that Barbs should be considered anymore, I think a high doseage of Benzos is just as sedating without respiratory depression.
> > > >
> > > > You are absolutely right - as long as it works.
> > > >
> > > > Because my history demonstrates such a lack of success using the more routine treatments, I'm a little more apt to consider as viable tools drugs that have fallen out of favor simply because they have to be administered more carefully - MAOIs for example. I would hate to see barbiturates vanish. I'm sure there are some people who still need them. There is one poster here in particular who seems to thrive on them. He appears to me to be a reliable and responsible reporter. I can't, however, produce him for scrutiny, of course.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Scott,
> > >
> > > My understanding of barbiturates is that they are so dangerous that you really can't give a months supply to a person who is depressed. If I had a bottle of them 12 months ago, I would have swallowed the lot in one go. Am I being Barbophobic? or do they really have a legitimate useage still?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Panda.
> > >
> >
> > Panda,
> > Benzos, or any psychotropic meds for that matter, would be extremely dangerous if you took the whole bottle. Why are barbs any different here?
> >
> > Kara
> >
> >
>
> I pretty sure, but not certain that you can take a 1 month supply of Benzos & survive, while less that two weeks worth on Babiturates will kill you. Both groups do essentially the same thing, except, the Barbiturates depress the breathing centre of the brain stem much more severely & have a drastically lower therapeutic index.
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
>
>
>

Panda,
I meant to ask you in a previous post why you prefer to stay away from dopaminergic meds? Why do you personally feel that they may be unsafe?
Kara

 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics? » KaraS

Posted by Sad Panda on August 4, 2004, at 23:20:02

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics? » Sad Panda, posted by KaraS on August 4, 2004, at 3:37:00

>
> Panda,
> I meant to ask you in a previous post why you prefer to stay away from dopaminergic meds? Why do you personally feel that they may be unsafe?
> Kara
>
>

Hi Kara,

Altering dopamine levels can lead to problems like Parkinsons & Psychosis. Altering 5-HT & NE doesn't seem to lead to any long term problems. The only Dopamine drugs I would use are the MAOI's. Other dopaminergics should be left to diseases that actually require it like ADD & even then ADDers seem to prefer there drugs to be skewed towards NE.

Cheers,
Panda.

 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?

Posted by KaraS on August 5, 2004, at 2:28:13

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics? » KaraS, posted by Sad Panda on August 4, 2004, at 23:20:02

> >
> > Panda,
> > I meant to ask you in a previous post why you prefer to stay away from dopaminergic meds? Why do you personally feel that they may be unsafe?
> > Kara
> >
> >
>
> Hi Kara,
>
> Altering dopamine levels can lead to problems like Parkinsons & Psychosis. Altering 5-HT & NE doesn't seem to lead to any long term problems. The only Dopamine drugs I would use are the MAOI's. Other dopaminergics should be left to diseases that actually require it like ADD & even then ADDers seem to prefer there drugs to be skewed towards NE.
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
>

But it's the loss of dopamine neurons (not reuptake inhibition) that causes Parkinsons and it's an excessive amount of dopamine that causes psychosis, so doesn't that leave plenty of room for a therapeutic window?

Also, wouldn't you include selegiline in with your safe group? It is neuroprotective in that it may help slow the process of dopamine neuronal death that occurs as we age. (Maybe you were including it when you said MAOIs?)

 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?

Posted by KaraS on August 5, 2004, at 2:48:21

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?, posted by KaraS on August 5, 2004, at 2:28:13

> > >
> > > Panda,
> > > I meant to ask you in a previous post why you prefer to stay away from dopaminergic meds? Why do you personally feel that they may be unsafe?
> > > Kara
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi Kara,
> >
> > Altering dopamine levels can lead to problems like Parkinsons & Psychosis. Altering 5-HT & NE doesn't seem to lead to any long term problems. The only Dopamine drugs I would use are the MAOI's. Other dopaminergics should be left to diseases that actually require it like ADD & even then ADDers seem to prefer there drugs to be skewed towards NE.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panda.
> >
>
> But it's the loss of dopamine neurons (not reuptake inhibition) that causes Parkinsons and it's an excessive amount of dopamine that causes psychosis, so doesn't that leave plenty of room for a therapeutic window?
>
> Also, wouldn't you include selegiline in with your safe group? It is neuroprotective in that it may help slow the process of dopamine neuronal death that occurs as we age. (Maybe you were including it when you said MAOIs?)


In addition, too much serotonin can lead to serotonin syndrome and too much NE can lead to racing heartbeat and dangerously high blood pressure. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't use meds to adjust serotonin or NE...

 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?

Posted by linkadge on August 5, 2004, at 17:21:42

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?, posted by KaraS on August 5, 2004, at 2:48:21

I have no problem with dopimanergics. I do think, however, they can induce very *deep* moods. If you are very apathetic then dopimanergics might help. If, however you are in deep melancholy then dopimanergics can make the mood even deeper.

One other thing to consider. Some people have what I call "religious depression" where they often feel very guilty, like they have committed an unfogivable sin or something like this. This is a branch of psychotic depression and these people should avoid dopimanergics as they often make the thinking much worse.


Linkadge

 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?

Posted by KaraS on August 5, 2004, at 22:17:28

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?, posted by linkadge on August 5, 2004, at 17:21:42

> I have no problem with dopimanergics. I do think, however, they can induce very *deep* moods. If you are very apathetic then dopimanergics might help. If, however you are in deep melancholy then dopimanergics can make the mood even deeper.
>
> One other thing to consider. Some people have what I call "religious depression" where they often feel very guilty, like they have committed an unfogivable sin or something like this. This is a branch of psychotic depression and these people should avoid dopimanergics as they often make the thinking much worse.
>
>
> Linkadge

Good to know. I am of the anergic, apathetic variety so I don't think that dopaminergics are contraindicated for me. Despite Panda's depth of knowledge and my respect for his opinions, I am not yet convinced yet that I should stay away from them in the future.

-K

 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics? » KaraS

Posted by Sad Panda on August 5, 2004, at 23:06:10

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?, posted by KaraS on August 5, 2004, at 22:17:28

>
> Good to know. I am of the anergic, apathetic variety so I don't think that dopaminergics are contraindicated for me. Despite Panda's depth of knowledge and my respect for his opinions, I am not yet convinced yet that I should stay away from them in the future.
>
> -K
>

Hi Kara,

If you were to lay face down in a bath tub full of my knowledge, you would have no risk of drowning. :)

I think increasing dopamine levels is overrated for depression & also more risky. When you raise neurotransmitter levels you get receptors downregulating in an attempt to balance out the excess which in effect means less receptors. I don't know, but I would suspect that some many never come back & since Parkinson's & Psychosis are the kind of things that happen when the dopamine system goes wrong, then it's something that I wish to avoid.

Cheers,
Panda.

 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics? » KaraS

Posted by Sad Panda on August 5, 2004, at 23:08:13

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?, posted by KaraS on August 5, 2004, at 2:48:21

>
> In addition, too much serotonin can lead to serotonin syndrome and too much NE can lead to racing heartbeat and dangerously high blood pressure. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't use meds to adjust serotonin or NE...
>
>

They are both temporary problems & curable.

Cheers,
Panda.


 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?

Posted by KaraS on August 6, 2004, at 0:01:00

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics? » KaraS, posted by Sad Panda on August 5, 2004, at 23:06:10

> >
> > Good to know. I am of the anergic, apathetic variety so I don't think that dopaminergics are contraindicated for me. Despite Panda's depth of knowledge and my respect for his opinions, I am not yet convinced yet that I should stay away from them in the future.
> >
> > -K
> >
>
> Hi Kara,
>
> If you were to lay face down in a bath tub full of my knowledge, you would have no risk of drowning. :)
>
> I think increasing dopamine levels is overrated for depression & also more risky. When you raise neurotransmitter levels you get receptors downregulating in an attempt to balance out the excess which in effect means less receptors. I don't know, but I would suspect that some many never come back & since Parkinson's & Psychosis are the kind of things that happen when the dopamine system goes wrong, then it's something that I wish to avoid.
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
>
>


Panda,
You are way too modest!
Kara

 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?

Posted by linkadge on August 6, 2004, at 7:45:56

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?, posted by KaraS on August 6, 2004, at 0:01:00

I think that SSRI/SNRI meds do totally and permantently screw up the serotogenic and norepinephrine system. I just don't think we have a name for what sorts of things the SSRI/SNRI's do.

For instance.

1) I am addicted to SSRI's for life
2) I have headaches since taking them
and worse ones if I ever stop
3) I am probabllt in a permanent state of kinling.
4) I believe they have destroyed my short
term memory.
5) Going off of them makes me psychotic
altering serotonin can profoundly alters
dopamine function.
6) My head twiches every two seconds
7) I believe they have destroyed my short
term memory.
8) I have facial grimmaces and shoulder
movements that appeared months after
starting celexa and get worse if I stop them.
9) Some report that serogenic drugs may dammage the heart in the same way that fenfluramine did.


In my oppinion
I don't think that messing with dopamine is any more risky than messing with serotonin. I am a beleiver that SSRI's can permantly alter serotonin receptor function and can lead to equally devastating side effects. I've heard reports that SSRI's which generally depleate dopamine can cause just as profound changes in the dopaminergic system than do neuroleptics.
A lawsuit was won the other day with a lady suffering apparent permanant distonic/dyskinsic movements from prozac use.

Plus you alter dopamine levels every time you have a cup of coffee :)

I say: try what you think will work.


Linkadge


 

Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics? » linkadge

Posted by KaraS on August 6, 2004, at 8:34:34

In reply to Re: Why stay away from dopaminergics?, posted by linkadge on August 6, 2004, at 7:45:56

> I think that SSRI/SNRI meds do totally and permantently screw up the serotogenic and norepinephrine system. I just don't think we have a name for what sorts of things the SSRI/SNRI's do.
>
> For instance.
>
> 1) I am addicted to SSRI's for life
> 2) I have headaches since taking them
> and worse ones if I ever stop
> 3) I am probabllt in a permanent state of kinling.
> 4) I believe they have destroyed my short
> term memory.
> 5) Going off of them makes me psychotic
> altering serotonin can profoundly alters
> dopamine function.
> 6) My head twiches every two seconds
> 7) I believe they have destroyed my short
> term memory.
> 8) I have facial grimmaces and shoulder
> movements that appeared months after
> starting celexa and get worse if I stop them.
> 9) Some report that serogenic drugs may dammage the heart in the same way that fenfluramine did.
>
>
> In my oppinion
> I don't think that messing with dopamine is any more risky than messing with serotonin. I am a beleiver that SSRI's can permantly alter serotonin receptor function and can lead to equally devastating side effects. I've heard reports that SSRI's which generally depleate dopamine can cause just as profound changes in the dopaminergic system than do neuroleptics.
> A lawsuit was won the other day with a lady suffering apparent permanant distonic/dyskinsic movements from prozac use.
>
> Plus you alter dopamine levels every time you have a cup of coffee :)
>
> I say: try what you think will work.
>
>
> Linkadge
>
>
>

So you weren't kidding on the alternate board when you said that you think you have brain damage from all of the meds you've taken...

Now you've got me wondering whether my anergic/low dopamine symptoms are a result of long-term Effexor use.


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