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Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » Sad Panda

Posted by paulbwell on June 23, 2004, at 2:31:33

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » paulbwell, posted by Sad Panda on June 23, 2004, at 1:44:40

Neurotoxic for continuous use? I know a 60 yo man in Minnosoda who has taken Desoxyn for 45 years for Narcolepsy. He takes 4- 5mgIR pills 4x aday. Yes 80mgs!! and rekons he has no Nuro damage fron this, and has worked full time since an 18yo. He used to take 4 or 5 15mg SR Desoxyn Graduamet, all in the morning after getting up, until it was discontinued, by Abbot drug company, 3 years ago, and says he functioned as close to a normal person as possible on this. He is doing less well on the 16!! 5mgIR pills daily, and hopes for the SR form to be manufactured again, combined with 600mg of Modafinil. He has however, the most sever case of Narcolepsy his Doc has ever seen, and was diagnosed at 13, in 1957.

 

Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » paulbwell

Posted by Sad Panda on June 23, 2004, at 4:11:50

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » Sad Panda, posted by paulbwell on June 23, 2004, at 2:31:33

> Neurotoxic for continuous use? I know a 60 yo man in Minnosoda who has taken Desoxyn for 45 years for Narcolepsy. He takes 4- 5mgIR pills 4x aday. Yes 80mgs!! and rekons he has no Nuro damage fron this, and has worked full time since an 18yo. He used to take 4 or 5 15mg SR Desoxyn Graduamet, all in the morning after getting up, until it was discontinued, by Abbot drug company, 3 years ago, and says he functioned as close to a normal person as possible on this. He is doing less well on the 16!! 5mgIR pills daily, and hopes for the SR form to be manufactured again, combined with 600mg of Modafinil. He has however, the most sever case of Narcolepsy his Doc has ever seen, and was diagnosed at 13, in 1957.
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One of our WW1 vetrans died today at the age of 106. He claimed to have been a heavy drinker & smoked 50 a day until he was 64. I still say smoking causes cancer however. :)

Cheers,
Panda.


 

Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE)

Posted by paulbwell on June 23, 2004, at 4:39:41

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » paulbwell, posted by Sad Panda on June 23, 2004, at 1:44:40

The information I gave you above is correct, and he is an E-mail buddy of mine, I could give you his e- addy, but he may not like that. Type in deco +dog+medical, and you will come across a very interesting site, filled with drug ADs from the 40's and 50's. There is a very fasinating 1951, Elli Lilly Methamphetamine, product called(Amphetdroxyn)-{trade name}, containing straight Methamphetamine,-- in pill,and liquid form!! known, later as Methedrine--I think, pushing the stuf as a remedy for
--Depression
--Narcolepsy
--Alcoholism
--Overweight
My have times have changed!

This is on page 5
there are also other Methamphetamine ADs for similar purposes.

 

Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE)

Posted by paulbwell on June 23, 2004, at 4:49:36

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE), posted by badbadbrain on June 22, 2004, at 19:39:04

> Hi, I've taken all the drugs you list, including desoxyn. Beware! Yes, desoxyn is vastly more intense and stimulating than the others. And body stimulating effects will be much greater. If you can function with one of the other meds, my feeling is that you should avoid desoxyn. As you know, you develop a tolerance with any of these; but desoxyn is also addictive. Use with extreme caution, take care.

Dear Badbadbrain, You seem to contradict everything i have read about Desoxyn. I thought its Cerebral stimulant effects were much greater than its peripherally stimulating effects. Desoxyn addictive? you can addict yourself to anything.Methamphetamine, or chocolate.

 

Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » paulbwell

Posted by Sad Panda on June 23, 2004, at 9:22:18

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE), posted by paulbwell on June 23, 2004, at 4:39:41

> The information I gave you above is correct, and he is an E-mail buddy of mine
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I'm not disputing that.

>Type in deco +dog+medical, and you will come across a very interesting site, filled with drug ADs from the 40's and 50's.
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Have a look at http://www.google.com.au/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=Dr.+Walter+Freeman&btnG=Search&meta=
mucho worse than any drug from the same era.

Cheers,
Panda.


 

Re: DESOXYN --(METHAMPHETAMINE)-Psychosurgery

Posted by paulbwell on June 23, 2004, at 11:24:38

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » paulbwell, posted by Sad Panda on June 23, 2004, at 9:22:18

> > The information I gave you above is correct, and he is an E-mail buddy of mine
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> I'm not disputing that.
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> >Type in deco +dog+medical, and you will come across a very interesting site, filled with drug ADs from the 40's and 50's.
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> Have a look at http://www.google.com.au/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=Dr.+Walter+Freeman&btnG=Search&meta=
> mucho worse than any drug from the same era.
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The ice pick lobotomy, now I feel sick, thanks. Reminds me of the Johnny Depp film (From Hell)2001
part of psychiatrys shamefull past.

what will be made of
Prozac
Effexor
and all our present drugs in 50 years?
Althought we still have Methamphetamine,- all be it in very little use, and a very much more refined version of Psycho surgery, called a Cingulotomy, performed in your country on no more than 20 hard-core patients I believe

Yuk

 

Re: DESOXYN --(METHAMPHETAMINE)-Psychosurgery

Posted by linkadge on June 23, 2004, at 19:23:44

In reply to Re: DESOXYN --(METHAMPHETAMINE)-Psychosurgery, posted by paulbwell on June 23, 2004, at 11:24:38

I want SST surgery. They drill two little holes in the back of your head, stick two metal rods in and burn two little holes in your brain, to sever some a connecton bwtween your amygdala and your limbic system. Patients report no ability to recall fearfull or traumatic incidences.

Linkadge

 

Re: DESOXYN --(METHAMPHETAMINE)-Psychosurgery

Posted by paulbwell on June 23, 2004, at 23:53:19

In reply to Re: DESOXYN --(METHAMPHETAMINE)-Psychosurgery, posted by linkadge on June 23, 2004, at 19:23:44

> I want SST surgery. They drill two little holes in the back of your head, stick two metal rods in and burn two little holes in your brain, to sever some a connecton bwtween your amygdala and your limbic system. Patients report no ability to recall fearfull or traumatic incidences.
>
> Linkadge

Yer the two little holes drilled bit kinda turns me off,
I have read your intelligent posts before, and know that you are now trying to make me laugh?

 

Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » paulbwell

Posted by blondegirl47 on June 24, 2004, at 15:39:59

In reply to DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE), posted by paulbwell on June 22, 2004, at 18:04:06

From what I have read it is highly addictive. There are some pdoc's who will be on alert after you request it from them. I would pose it as, hey doc, I read about desoxyn for my add symptoms...what do you think?
hope this helps
Blondegirl

 

Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE)

Posted by linkadge on June 24, 2004, at 19:46:39

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » paulbwell, posted by blondegirl47 on June 24, 2004, at 15:39:59

I wish I were joking, but I really do want this surgery. I am considering ECT, but this surgery has been shown to be more effective than ECT, with less effect on cognition and neuronal integrety.

Linkadge

 

Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » Sad Panda

Posted by jerrympls on June 24, 2004, at 19:49:20

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » paulbwell, posted by Sad Panda on June 23, 2004, at 1:44:40


> I think it's best to avoid it because it is too nerotoxic for continuos useage.
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
>


Hi Panda!

I always hold your posts and advice/knowledge as accurate and very well researched - and I still do. But, I have to disagree with you about stimulants being neurotoxic. I don't have anything to specifically site to back up my opinion - but from all of MY research and studies I have never found anyone to really prove such neurotoxicity - unless one's a Breggin follower - then everything is bad.

So, I mean to no harm or challenge by this posting - just wanted to voice my opinion too.

Jerry :-)

 

Desoxyn

Posted by utopizen on June 24, 2004, at 23:42:04

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » Sad Panda, posted by jerrympls on June 24, 2004, at 19:49:20

For the sake of not confusing others on this board, I think "Desoxyn" suffices as a subject line. Otherwise, people will not realize the differences that occur in the body when adulterants are added, when a drug is absorbed after IV administration versus orally swallowing a tablet, etc.

Moreover, not one person on this Earth, including this board, could possibly cite me a study or abstract that refers to Desoxyn in its 60 years on the market through Abbott Labs that it is in anyway "neurotoxic." Clearly, this is an example of what I call confusion between methamphetamine and Desoxyn. Yes, I think you get my point when I say that...

And could you tell me of a stimulant that's NOT neurotoxic when enough is given through an IV needle? Because virtually every study funded by the NIH or NIDA is researched using IV administration of methamphetamine, not oral administration of Desoxyn. Desoxyn doesn't come available orally, but methamphetamine does.

 

Re: Desoxyn » utopizen

Posted by jerrympls on June 25, 2004, at 1:18:44

In reply to Desoxyn, posted by utopizen on June 24, 2004, at 23:42:04

> For the sake of not confusing others on this board, I think "Desoxyn" suffices as a subject line. Otherwise, people will not realize the differences that occur in the body when adulterants are added, when a drug is absorbed after IV administration versus orally swallowing a tablet, etc.
>
> Moreover, not one person on this Earth, including this board, could possibly cite me a study or abstract that refers to Desoxyn in its 60 years on the market through Abbott Labs that it is in anyway "neurotoxic." Clearly, this is an example of what I call confusion between methamphetamine and Desoxyn. Yes, I think you get my point when I say that...
>
> And could you tell me of a stimulant that's NOT neurotoxic when enough is given through an IV needle? Because virtually every study funded by the NIH or NIDA is researched using IV administration of methamphetamine, not oral administration of Desoxyn. Desoxyn doesn't come available orally, but methamphetamine does.

Panda- I don't doubt anything that you have stated above. Of course given via IV methamphetamine is very bad - I have no dispute. I was referring in my previous post to oral FDA approved Desoxyn.

Honestly - I'm just trying to be nice here. I am not fighting you on whatyou say.

Jerry

 

Re: Desoxyn » utopizen

Posted by jerrympls on June 25, 2004, at 1:20:06

In reply to Desoxyn, posted by utopizen on June 24, 2004, at 23:42:04

OOPS - sorry I goofed up my last post. Sorry Utopizen.

Jerry :-(

 

Re: Desoxyn_utopizen

Posted by paulbwell on June 25, 2004, at 5:49:40

In reply to Desoxyn, posted by utopizen on June 24, 2004, at 23:42:04

> For the sake of not confusing others on this board, I think "Desoxyn" suffices as a subject line. Otherwise, people will not realize the differences that occur in the body when adulterants are added, when a drug is absorbed after IV administration versus orally swallowing a tablet, etc.
>
> Moreover, not one person on this Earth, including this board, could possibly cite me a study or abstract that refers to Desoxyn in its 60 years on the market through Abbott Labs that it is in anyway "neurotoxic." Clearly, this is an example of what I call confusion between methamphetamine and Desoxyn. Yes, I think you get my point when I say that...
>
> And could you tell me of a stimulant that's NOT neurotoxic when enough is given through an IV needle? Because virtually every study funded by the NIH or NIDA is researched using IV administration of methamphetamine, not oral administration of Desoxyn. Desoxyn doesn't come available orally, but methamphetamine does.

"Desoxyn doesn't come available orally, but Methamphetamine does"? Ha, what the?? well what are thoes little white pills with a rounded letter, A, on one side and ,TE, on the other, which you are so lucky to have? maybe 5mgs of instant release factory fresh pure Methyl-Amphetamine perhaps?.

anyways, yes pure Methy-Amphetamine manufactured in a drug factory environment,so hygenic, where you could eat your dinner of the floor of and sells as a medication intended to treat serious brain disorders ,and goes by the trade name of 'Desoxyn' is not nurotoxic, (as a friend of mine will attest to, after consuming 60-80mgs of it daily for 45 years, to control his Narcolepsy, so as he can be awake enought to have a life outside of his bed, where he would spend 20 hours daily, without the substance)
as opposed to the toxic poison, produced by amatures, and consumed by fools, and is known as 'meth'

 

Re: Desoxyn/Methamphetamine same thing. » utopizen

Posted by Sad Panda on June 25, 2004, at 13:11:08

In reply to Desoxyn, posted by utopizen on June 24, 2004, at 23:42:04

> For the sake of not confusing others on this board, I think "Desoxyn" suffices as a subject line.
>
>Desoxyn doesn't come available orally, but methamphetamine does.
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>

You've confused the heck out of me, I thought Desoxyn was a tablet form of methamphetamine.

Cheers,
Panda.


 

Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » jerrympls

Posted by Sad Panda on June 25, 2004, at 13:32:58

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » Sad Panda, posted by jerrympls on June 24, 2004, at 19:49:20

>
> > I think it's best to avoid it because it is too nerotoxic for continuos useage.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panda.
> >
>
>
> Hi Panda!
>
> I always hold your posts and advice/knowledge as accurate and very well researched - and I still do. But, I have to disagree with you about stimulants being neurotoxic. I don't have anything to specifically site to back up my opinion - but from all of MY research and studies I have never found anyone to really prove such neurotoxicity - unless one's a Breggin follower - then everything is bad.
>
> So, I mean to no harm or challenge by this posting - just wanted to voice my opinion too.
>
> Jerry :-)
>
>

Hi Jerry,

Thanks for the kind words, I'm probably out of my depth as far as amphetamines are concerned as I don't have Narcolepsy or ADD. I don't think all stimulants are evil, just meth. I can find plenty of abstracts showing that meth fed to mice & rats is neurotoxic but can't for actual humans. :)

Cheers,
Panda.

 

Re: DESOXYN-

Posted by utopizen on June 25, 2004, at 21:22:40

In reply to Re: DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE) » jerrympls, posted by Sad Panda on June 25, 2004, at 13:32:58

I think everyone missed my point when I said methamphetamine is methamphetamine and Desoxyn is Desoxyn. I realized that Desoxyn is d-desoxyephedine, but um, that was my point. When you think of meth, or read research on it, Desoxyn isn't being used. Methamphetamine, of which there are twenty or so different kinds, one of which includes Desoxyn, is studied. Few studies, if any at all (there might be one or two) are of Desoxyn (oral d-desoxyephedine). And there's hundreds, if not thousands.

The results would be more benign, and that doesn't get you grants from the slanted bias of the National Institutes of Drug Abuse

 

Re: METHAMPHETAMINE » utopizen

Posted by Sad Panda on June 25, 2004, at 23:32:19

In reply to Re: DESOXYN-, posted by utopizen on June 25, 2004, at 21:22:40

I doubt researchers are using anything but Desoxyn, why would they? It's highly unlikely that scientists are visiting the neighbourhood tweaker for some local homebrewed speed to feed to their rodents when it would be cheaper & easier for them to buy the real McCoy. :)

 

Desoxyn (d-desoxyephederine, not anything else)

Posted by utopizen on June 26, 2004, at 10:50:14

In reply to Re: METHAMPHETAMINE » utopizen, posted by Sad Panda on June 25, 2004, at 23:32:19

> I doubt researchers are using anything but Desoxyn, why would they? It's highly unlikely that scientists are visiting the neighbourhood tweaker for some local homebrewed speed to feed to their rodents when it would be cheaper & easier for them to buy the real McCoy. :)
>

No, they get unadulterated meth, but don't think researcher's can't use illicit drugs in their studies. My college isn't exactly a huge research school, but even they have done the requisite rats on coke copycat study.

Where do you think they get cocaine and meth to do these studies? Abbott (now Ovation owns it) certainly doesn't dish this stuff out for those purposes. Check out the DEA's Office of Drug Diversion website. They have forms to request schedule I, illicit/illegal drugs for research purposes.

And no, they don't use Desoxyn. I called the doctor that the maker of Desoxyn uses to research the stuff and give advice to the company on things related to it, and he said he was looking for studies but hadn't been able to find any yet. He said it was likely because it was first made in 1944.

 

Re: Desoxyn (d-desoxyephederine)-Utopizen

Posted by paulbwell on June 26, 2004, at 19:55:12

In reply to Desoxyn (d-desoxyephederine, not anything else), posted by utopizen on June 26, 2004, at 10:50:14

> > I doubt researchers are using anything but Desoxyn, why would they? It's highly unlikely that scientists are visiting the neighbourhood tweaker for some local homebrewed speed to feed to their rodents when it would be cheaper & easier for them to buy the real McCoy. :)
> >
>
> No, they get unadulterated meth, but don't think researcher's can't use illicit drugs in their studies. My college isn't exactly a huge research school, but even they have done the requisite rats on coke copycat study.
>
> Where do you think they get cocaine and meth to do these studies? Abbott (now Ovation owns it) certainly doesn't dish this stuff out for those purposes. Check out the DEA's Office of Drug Diversion website. They have forms to request schedule I, illicit/illegal drugs for research purposes.
>
> And no, they don't use Desoxyn. I called the doctor that the maker of Desoxyn uses to research the stuff and give advice to the company on things related to it, and he said he was looking for studies but hadn't been able to find any yet. He said it was likely because it was first made in 1944.

Some people would say he's a lucky Doc. He may want to try Lillys Drug Archives,or any Lilly drug service reps, working for them around 1950, for info, as they produced a product containing Methamphetamine, opps, I mean (d-desoxyephedrine) in 1950 which sold under the trade name "Amphetdroxyn" in two tablet sizes and in liquid form! so as thoes poor Hyperkinetic kiddies could take it by the teaspoon:). <I hope it was a refreshing minty flavour>

 

Re: this post hit the jackpot

Posted by 1980Monroe on June 26, 2004, at 21:25:10

In reply to DESOXYN---- prescription --(METHAMPHETAMINE), posted by paulbwell on June 22, 2004, at 18:04:06

I used to post on Desoxyn ALOT, only got like 3 posts back out of 5 posted. This one has like 20. I think i need to work on Charisma.

Desoxyn is the TOP class stimulant of the stimulant class. It turns a person dopamine-driven style, confident, motivated, ambitous. Strong dopamine stimulant.

If you belive you need it, dont mention it directly to your pdoc, because they always change facial expressions, and they'l start sitting edgy. when they here "desoxyn", infamous for its high potential for abuse. But no doubt it is effective for ADHD. Eventually it will come around, when you try everything else.

I used to take dexedrine(plain amphetamine) alot, and depended on it too much. Went to my hypnotherpist and learned to manipulate and increase my dopamine flow, so today i only take dexedrine 10mg, no more 50mg a day.

But play it cool, and wish the best for you on Desoxyn.... Later

Matt

 

Nurotoxic/Neurotoxic-Who Cares?

Posted by Anthony Quest on June 27, 2004, at 0:20:31

In reply to Re: this post hit the jackpot, posted by 1980Monroe on June 26, 2004, at 21:25:10

Utopizen is making an excellent point and the parroting of "meth is nurotoxic" would make the DEA very proud.

Assuming Desoxyn is "neurotoxic" why don't you explain what exactly that means? How much more neuorotoxic is it than Dexedrine. Dexedrine not neurotoxic you say, well what if the person who needs Desoxyn has to take 20 times the dose of Dexedrine that most other people do, just to stay awake. There are no study comparing 20 times the average dose of dexedrine to a normal dose of Desoxyn.

My point is that whether to use Desoxyn is a clinical decision made by a single patient and single doctor. The decision takes into account the situation that patient finds himself in, the other drugs that have been attempted, and ideally the physician explains the risks and benefits, and the patient makes the choice.

None of us will be influencing the national standard of care, so why is it so important to recite "Desoxyn is bad! Stay away!". Maybe it is bad for people with substance abuse disorders who have no clinical need for it. It's absolutely essential for those who are trying to live a normal life, have tried alternatives, and are living normally because of it.

In another post, someone in this thread criticized Xyrem as worse than crack. I feel like I finally have some quality of life back because of Xyrem. I have never taken Desoxyn, but I absolutely believe it should be available for anyone who needs it.

Just for the record "Zonegran, Lexapro, Straterra" are all way too knew for there to be any long-term studies determining what effect they have on the human brain. We could find out that everyone's brain turns to mush 10 years after being on these drugs. If you think the FDA waits 20 years to gather data before allowing a drug on the market, think again.

There is something to be said for a drug that has been on the market as long as Desoxyn in that at least we know the adverse events from prescription Desoxyn (federal law requires that the company report adverse incidents). You have no guarantee about Straterra and other newer drugs.

 

Re: Nurotoxic/Neurotoxic-Who Cares? A Quest

Posted by paulbwell on June 27, 2004, at 5:48:06

In reply to Nurotoxic/Neurotoxic-Who Cares?, posted by Anthony Quest on June 27, 2004, at 0:20:31

> Utopizen is making an excellent point and the parroting of "meth is nurotoxic" would make the DEA very proud.
>
> Assuming Desoxyn is "neurotoxic" why don't you explain what exactly that means? How much more neuorotoxic is it than Dexedrine. Dexedrine not neurotoxic you say, well what if the person who needs Desoxyn has to take 20 times the dose of Dexedrine that most other people do, just to stay awake. There are no study comparing 20 times the average dose of dexedrine to a normal dose of Desoxyn.
>
> My point is that whether to use Desoxyn is a clinical decision made by a single patient and single doctor. The decision takes into account the situation that patient finds himself in, the other drugs that have been attempted, and ideally the physician explains the risks and benefits, and the patient makes the choice.
>
> None of us will be influencing the national standard of care, so why is it so important to recite "Desoxyn is bad! Stay away!". Maybe it is bad for people with substance abuse disorders who have no clinical need for it. It's absolutely essential for those who are trying to live a normal life, have tried alternatives, and are living normally because of it.
>
> In another post, someone in this thread criticized Xyrem as worse than crack. I feel like I finally have some quality of life back because of Xyrem. I have never taken Desoxyn, but I absolutely believe it should be available for anyone who needs it.
>
> Just for the record "Zonegran, Lexapro, Straterra" are all way too knew for there to be any long-term studies determining what effect they have on the human brain. We could find out that everyone's brain turns to mush 10 years after being on these drugs. If you think the FDA waits 20 years to gather data before allowing a drug on the market, think again.
>
> There is something to be said for a drug that has been on the market as long as Desoxyn in that at least we know the adverse events from prescription Desoxyn (federal law requires that the company report adverse incidents). You have no guarantee about Straterra and other newer drugs.
>
>

Do you have Narcolepsy? and take 20x the normal dose of Dex?

and Xyrem does this increase wakefullness in you?

 

Sounds like a question for CHEMIST. » Anthony Quest

Posted by Sad Panda on June 27, 2004, at 10:43:11

In reply to Nurotoxic/Neurotoxic-Who Cares?, posted by Anthony Quest on June 27, 2004, at 0:20:31

> Assuming Desoxyn is "neurotoxic" why don't you explain what exactly that means? How much more neuorotoxic is it than Dexedrine. Dexedrine not neurotoxic you say, well what if the person who needs Desoxyn has to take 20 times the dose of Dexedrine that most other people do, just to stay awake. There are no study comparing 20 times the average dose of dexedrine to a normal dose of Desoxyn.
>
>

Your example is a poor, if a person needs only 5mg of Desoxyn to do what 100mg of Dexedrine does, then it's pretty obvious that you would take Desoxyn but it's not likely that Desoxyn is 20 times more potent than Dexedrine.

I would like Chemist's opinion on the difference between Desoxyn and Methamphetamine.

Cheers,
Panda.


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