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Posted by ace on May 22, 2004, at 1:57:20
Note to all psychobabblers....
Ace is still the Nardil champ. Nardil is still working very well for me in terms of so many things. All this talk of other drugs is just to try to kill residual phobic/OCD symptoms....So remember who is the Nardil Champ...that's right it's ACE!!!!!!
Ace
NARDIL- (MY lifeline!) 75mg (might go to 90 soon)
ZYPREXA (OCD SMASHER!!!!- 2.5mg
Remeron (MAKES ME A CRIMINAL!!!!)- 15mg (soon to go- or I go to prison for chocolate stealing!!!!!)
Posted by Sad Panda on May 22, 2004, at 4:46:44
In reply to ATTN: I AM STILL THE NARDIL CHAMPION!!!!!!, posted by ace on May 22, 2004, at 1:57:20
> Note to all psychobabblers....
>
>
> Ace is still the Nardil champ. Nardil is still working very well for me in terms of so many things. All this talk of other drugs is just to try to kill residual phobic/OCD symptoms....
>
> So remember who is the Nardil Champ...that's right it's ACE!!!!!!
>
>
> Ace
> NARDIL- (MY lifeline!) 75mg (might go to 90 soon)
> ZYPREXA (OCD SMASHER!!!!- 2.5mg
> Remeron (MAKES ME A CRIMINAL!!!!)- 15mg (soon to go- or I go to prison for chocolate stealing!!!!!)
>
>Hi Ace,
What happens on 3.75mg of Zyprexa?
Why are you still taking Remeron? :)Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by cybercafe on May 25, 2004, at 1:30:59
In reply to Re: ATTN: I AM STILL THE NARDIL CHAMPION!!!!!! » ace, posted by Sad Panda on May 22, 2004, at 4:46:44
> > Note to all psychobabblers....
> >
> >
> > Ace is still the Nardil champ. Nardil is still working very well for me in terms of so many things. All this talk of other drugs is just to try to kill residual phobic/OCD symptoms....
> >
> > So remember who is the Nardil Champ...that's right it's ACE!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Ace
> > NARDIL- (MY lifeline!) 75mg (might go to 90 soon)
> > ZYPREXA (OCD SMASHER!!!!- 2.5mg
> > Remeron (MAKES ME A CRIMINAL!!!!)- 15mg (soon to go- or I go to prison for chocolate stealing!!!!!)
> >
> >
>
> Hi Ace,
>
> What happens on 3.75mg of Zyprexa?
> Why are you still taking Remeron? :)
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
>
>I would have to challenge you, of course, but I am on Parnate instead :) So we can still be friends :)
Man Parnate + Abilify has really put my life back together again. I see a bright future again, real money computer programming, and med school or at least psychopharmacology (god I have got to find out more about what a psychopharmacologist does all day. I don't want to be a pill counter).
Posted by Questionmark on May 25, 2004, at 8:02:20
In reply to Re: ATTN: I AM STILL THE NARDIL CHAMPION!!!!!!, posted by cybercafe on May 25, 2004, at 1:30:59
> > > Note to all psychobabblers....
> > >
> > >
> > > Ace is still the Nardil champ. Nardil is still working very well for me in terms of so many things. All this talk of other drugs is just to try to kill residual phobic/OCD symptoms....
> > >
> > > So remember who is the Nardil Champ...that's right it's ACE!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Ace
> > > NARDIL- (MY lifeline!) 75mg (might go to 90 soon)
> > > ZYPREXA (OCD SMASHER!!!!- 2.5mg
> > > Remeron (MAKES ME A CRIMINAL!!!!)- 15mg (soon to go- or I go to prison for chocolate stealing!!!!!)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi Ace,
> >
> > What happens on 3.75mg of Zyprexa?
> > Why are you still taking Remeron? :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panda.
> >
> >
>
> I would have to challenge you, of course, but I am on Parnate instead :) So we can still be friends :)
>
> Man Parnate + Abilify has really put my life back together again. I see a bright future again, real money computer programming, and med school or at least psychopharmacology (god I have got to find out more about what a psychopharmacologist does all day. I don't want to be a pill counter).
As far as i know, a clinical psychopharmacologist prescribes medications to patients; a research psychopharmacologist, well, does research-- focusing more on the neurochemical mechanisms by which a certain drug exerts its effects, and less on the actual behavioral effects of a drug (i think). Or they test drugs in trials and studies. i believe they also might develop drugs for drug companies or what have you.
Hope this helps a tad.
Posted by cybercafe on May 26, 2004, at 1:48:00
In reply to Psychopharmacologists » cybercafe, posted by Questionmark on May 25, 2004, at 8:02:20
> As far as i know, a clinical psychopharmacologist prescribes medications to patients; a research psychopharmacologist, well, does research-- focusing more on the neurochemical mechanisms by which a certain drug exerts its effects, and less on the actual behavioral effects of a drug (i think). Or they test drugs in trials and studies. i believe they also might develop drugs for drug companies or what have you.
> Hope this helps a tad.
>really?? i have never heard of patients seeing psychopharmacologists ... do they have the same ability to diagnose and perscribe as doctors themselves? this will be a tough choice, but i really appreciate the info... it's nice to know i can make a difference even if i can't tolerate the yuckiness of med school
Posted by greywolf on May 26, 2004, at 13:05:50
In reply to ATTN: I AM STILL THE NARDIL CHAMPION!!!!!!, posted by ace on May 22, 2004, at 1:57:20
That's interesting. I'm just about to start Nardil after having exhausted just about every other alternative, but my doc has asked me to hold off for a few more days to make sure that the Remeron I was taking is completely out of my system. I was under the impression that Remeron was one of those meds you would never take with Nardil.
> Note to all psychobabblers....
>
>
> Ace is still the Nardil champ. Nardil is still working very well for me in terms of so many things. All this talk of other drugs is just to try to kill residual phobic/OCD symptoms....
>
> So remember who is the Nardil Champ...that's right it's ACE!!!!!!
>
>
> Ace
> NARDIL- (MY lifeline!) 75mg (might go to 90 soon)
> ZYPREXA (OCD SMASHER!!!!- 2.5mg
> Remeron (MAKES ME A CRIMINAL!!!!)- 15mg (soon to go- or I go to prison for chocolate stealing!!!!!)
Posted by flipsactown on May 27, 2004, at 1:01:06
In reply to ATTN: I AM STILL THE NARDIL CHAMPION!!!!!!, posted by ace on May 22, 2004, at 1:57:20
Ace,
Although I was getting mostly excellent relief from my unipolar depression, in the 6 weeks, I have taken it, I have experienced severe insomnia.
The first three weeks of the insomnia was actually a plus, in that I had so much extra time because of the insomina, that I was able to do lots of honey-do's house chores. However, because I have chronic low back pain, doing all these extra work had caused me to take more pain meds Oxy and Codeine which wreaked havoc with my home detox from Oxy.
During the next 3 weeks, the insomnia had continued nonstop even when my new pdoc Rxd Ambien. He refused to Rx Trazodone and Rxd Ambien instead. The Ambien allowed me to sleep up to 4 continuous hours at times, which was an improvement to only getting 1 to 3 hours of interrupted sleep when taking only generic Benadryl 3 to 5 hours. Other times, Ambien was ineffective even when I took the maximum 2 pills, and I had to take generic Benadryl with it and even then, recently I just could not sleep. That was the last straw for me and decided then that I needed to quit Nardil.
Yesterday, I left a message for a call back from my pdoc's nurse and was pleasantly surprised when she returned my call on the same day. I had explained my situation concerning my sleep deprivation from Nardil and if my pdoc can't Rx another sleep med that I wanted to quit Nardil as the severe insomnia was just too much for me. Although Nardil was helping with my depression, the sleep deprivation I have been experiencing the last 6 weeks of my Nardil therapy had actually been nullifying Nardil's AD effectiveness.
Today, my pdoc's nurse returned my call after her relaying the message I gave her yesterday and she said that my pdoc had recommended quitting Nardil, today, as I had already reduced my Nardil dose to 15mg for a week and that I will need to call back in two weeks where my pdoc will Rx Trazodone and possibly other AD's. Since I knew my new pdoc was also anti-MAOI and not thrilled about inheriting a Nardil patient, I did not even mention possibly switching to Parnate.
Bottomline: What do you good people think about taking Trazodone as a primary AD? Also, did I give Nardil enough time to see if the insomnia would have subsided?
Note to Ace: I already know how you feel about Nardil, since it was your posts that inspired me to try Nardil and you are the Nardil Champion, but did you experience the severe insomnia? I know everyone reacts differently, but I am just curious.
FST
> Note to all psychobabblers....
>
>
> Ace is still the Nardil champ. Nardil is still working very well for me in terms of so many things. All this talk of other drugs is just to try to kill residual phobic/OCD symptoms....
>
> So remember who is the Nardil Champ...that's right it's ACE!!!!!!
>
>
> Ace
> NARDIL- (MY lifeline!) 75mg (might go to 90 soon)
> ZYPREXA (OCD SMASHER!!!!- 2.5mg
> Remeron (MAKES ME A CRIMINAL!!!!)- 15mg (soon to go- or I go to prison for chocolate stealing!!!!!)
Posted by Sad Panda on May 27, 2004, at 3:13:23
In reply to Re: ATTN: I AM STILL THE NARDIL CHAMPION!!!!!! » ace, posted by flipsactown on May 27, 2004, at 1:01:06
> Ace,
>
> Although I was getting mostly excellent relief from my unipolar depression, in the 6 weeks, I have taken it, I have experienced severe insomnia.
>
> The first three weeks of the insomnia was actually a plus, in that I had so much extra time because of the insomina, that I was able to do lots of honey-do's house chores. However, because I have chronic low back pain, doing all these extra work had caused me to take more pain meds Oxy and Codeine which wreaked havoc with my home detox from Oxy.
>
> During the next 3 weeks, the insomnia had continued nonstop even when my new pdoc Rxd Ambien. He refused to Rx Trazodone and Rxd Ambien instead. The Ambien allowed me to sleep up to 4 continuous hours at times, which was an improvement to only getting 1 to 3 hours of interrupted sleep when taking only generic Benadryl 3 to 5 hours. Other times, Ambien was ineffective even when I took the maximum 2 pills, and I had to take generic Benadryl with it and even then, recently I just could not sleep. That was the last straw for me and decided then that I needed to quit Nardil.
>
> Yesterday, I left a message for a call back from my pdoc's nurse and was pleasantly surprised when she returned my call on the same day. I had explained my situation concerning my sleep deprivation from Nardil and if my pdoc can't Rx another sleep med that I wanted to quit Nardil as the severe insomnia was just too much for me. Although Nardil was helping with my depression, the sleep deprivation I have been experiencing the last 6 weeks of my Nardil therapy had actually been nullifying Nardil's AD effectiveness.
>
> Today, my pdoc's nurse returned my call after her relaying the message I gave her yesterday and she said that my pdoc had recommended quitting Nardil, today, as I had already reduced my Nardil dose to 15mg for a week and that I will need to call back in two weeks where my pdoc will Rx Trazodone and possibly other AD's. Since I knew my new pdoc was also anti-MAOI and not thrilled about inheriting a Nardil patient, I did not even mention possibly switching to Parnate.
>
> Bottomline: What do you good people think about taking Trazodone as a primary AD? Also, did I give Nardil enough time to see if the insomnia would have subsided?
>
> Note to Ace: I already know how you feel about Nardil, since it was your posts that inspired me to try Nardil and you are the Nardil Champion, but did you experience the severe insomnia? I know everyone reacts differently, but I am just curious.
>
> FST
>
> > Note to all psychobabblers....
> >
> >
> > Ace is still the Nardil champ. Nardil is still working very well for me in terms of so many things. All this talk of other drugs is just to try to kill residual phobic/OCD symptoms....
> >
> > So remember who is the Nardil Champ...that's right it's ACE!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Ace
> > NARDIL- (MY lifeline!) 75mg (might go to 90 soon)
> > ZYPREXA (OCD SMASHER!!!!- 2.5mg
> > Remeron (MAKES ME A CRIMINAL!!!!)- 15mg (soon to go- or I go to prison for chocolate stealing!!!!!)
>
>Hi FST,
I'm a little puzzled why you didn't continue Remeron with Nardil? You tried it once & it was OK? It gives potent 5-HT2A blockade just like Trazodone which holds you in a deep sleep longer & it is infintely more powerfull then benadryl as a antihistamine to put you to sleep.
>>Bottomline: What do you good people think about taking Trazodone as a primary AD?
>I think you will find that Trazodone is a pitifull AD after taking Nardil.
>Also, did I give Nardil enough time to see if the insomnia would have subsided?
>Probably not.
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by Sad Panda on May 27, 2004, at 3:17:17
In reply to Re: ATTN: I AM STILL THE NARDIL CHAMPION!!!!!! » ace, posted by Sad Panda on May 22, 2004, at 4:46:44
> > Note to all psychobabblers....
> >
> >
> > Ace is still the Nardil champ. Nardil is still working very well for me in terms of so many things. All this talk of other drugs is just to try to kill residual phobic/OCD symptoms....
> >
> > So remember who is the Nardil Champ...that's right it's ACE!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Ace
> > NARDIL- (MY lifeline!) 75mg (might go to 90 soon)
> > ZYPREXA (OCD SMASHER!!!!- 2.5mg
> > Remeron (MAKES ME A CRIMINAL!!!!)- 15mg (soon to go- or I go to prison for chocolate stealing!!!!!)
> >
> >
>
> Hi Ace,
>
> What happens on 3.75mg of Zyprexa?
> Why are you still taking Remeron? :)
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
>
>Ace,
I know you are the king of rocket fuel, but what happens when you take a little more Zyprexa?
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by flipsactown on May 27, 2004, at 4:14:16
In reply to Re: ATTN: I AM STILL THE NARDIL CHAMPION!!!!!! » flipsactown, posted by Sad Panda on May 27, 2004, at 3:13:23
Hello Panda
> I'm a little puzzled why you didn't continue Remeron with Nardil? You tried it once & it was OK? It gives potent 5-HT2A blockade just like Trazodone which holds you in a deep sleep longer & it is infintely more powerfull then benadryl as a antihistamine to put you to sleep.
>
Actually, even without my pdoc's knowledge, I gave Remeron another try this last week of taking Nardil, but it was ineffective. I even took it with Ambien right before bedtime. I guess the Nardil in my system was stronger than Remeron, Ambien and Benadryl. I knew my new pdoc went strictly by the PDR's recommendation that MAOIs are not to be mixed with any kind of AD, so I did not even ask him if I could take Remeron with Nardil. I just had to give it a real good try myself, and although the combination had no ill effects on me, it did not help me to sleep. It is too bad because Nardil was effective in lifting my unipolar depression.FST
Posted by Sad Panda on May 27, 2004, at 11:35:16
In reply to Re: ATTN: I AM STILL THE NARDIL CHAMPION!!!!!! » Sad Panda, posted by flipsactown on May 27, 2004, at 4:14:16
> Hello Panda
>
> > I'm a little puzzled why you didn't continue Remeron with Nardil? You tried it once & it was OK? It gives potent 5-HT2A blockade just like Trazodone which holds you in a deep sleep longer & it is infintely more powerfull then benadryl as a antihistamine to put you to sleep.
> >
> Actually, even without my pdoc's knowledge, I gave Remeron another try this last week of taking Nardil, but it was ineffective. I even took it with Ambien right before bedtime. I guess the Nardil in my system was stronger than Remeron, Ambien and Benadryl. I knew my new pdoc went strictly by the PDR's recommendation that MAOIs are not to be mixed with any kind of AD, so I did not even ask him if I could take Remeron with Nardil. I just had to give it a real good try myself, and although the combination had no ill effects on me, it did not help me to sleep. It is too bad because Nardil was effective in lifting my unipolar depression.
>
> FST
>Hi FST,
I guess I would call that severe insomnia then! :) and I apologize for implying that you have not given Remeron much of a trial. Your reaction to nardil is possibly a pradoxial reaction to it's GABAergicness.(Is that a word?) I would not let that stop you from trying Parnate as insomnia on Nardil would not mean that you automatically have insomnia with Parnate. Lean on your doctors to give it to you since you now have experience with MAOI's & nil tyramine diets.
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by Questionmark on May 28, 2004, at 16:39:49
In reply to Re: Psychopharmacologists, posted by cybercafe on May 26, 2004, at 1:48:00
> > As far as i know, a clinical psychopharmacologist prescribes medications to patients; a research psychopharmacologist, well, does research-- focusing more on the neurochemical mechanisms by which a certain drug exerts its effects, and less on the actual behavioral effects of a drug (i think). Or they test drugs in trials and studies. i believe they also might develop drugs for drug companies or what have you.
> > Hope this helps a tad.
> >
>
> really?? i have never heard of patients seeing psychopharmacologistsYes-- i'm 99% sure.
> ... do they have the same ability to diagnose and perscribe as doctors themselves?Hmm, i'm not quite sure, but i believe so. Yeah, i'm pretty sure.
> this will be a tough choice, but i really appreciate the info... it's nice to know i can make a difference even if i can't tolerate the yuckiness of med school
Heh. Yeah, i bet. i'm glad i could help. You might want to check it out further though-- i'm not positive if psychopharmacologists have all the same freedoms (or whatever) as psychiatrists do. Also, i'm referring to the U.S. i don't know about any other countries.
Good luck with your goals and endeavors. And don't forget where you came from! Remember your own depression when you're treating others someday. Take care.
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