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Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 15, 2004, at 9:31:48

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Laura915 on March 30, 2004, at 8:17:56

Here are some more detailed questions re your use of amino acids for Klonopin (I'm trying to withdraw from Valium) - hope you can help!

1. You mention taking divided doses for L-tryptophan* - 3000 mgs/day; DL-Phenylanine - 1500 mgs/day; L-Glutamine - 1000 mgs/day; L-theanine - 2000 mgs/day; GABA - 1500 mgs/day. Could you be more specific? Did you take these in divided doses three times daily or two times daily and, if so, did you just divide the total taken by the number of times (e.g. 3000 mg Tryptophan = 1,000 mg x 3 daily). Also, did you find specific times of the day more helpful than others for each divided dose?

2. How long was your Klonopin tapering schedule from beginning to cessation? I am currently taking 30 mg Valium (10 mg x 3) daily and the tapering guidelines I've read suggest that I should taper very slowly (minimum 6 months). However, I stopped taking Luvox (prescribed 5 years ago to help me lower and taper Valium but didn't work) about 8 months ago (though I had to increase my Valium from 10 mg to 30 mg daily for withdraal symptoms) and I still have occasional Luvox withdrawal problems though they've subsided considerably.

I really learned a lot from your post and I'm very happy that you found a successful method for tapering the Klonopin.

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Laura915 on May 17, 2004, at 9:33:09

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 15, 2004, at 8:15:25

From my research, the amino acids I was combining have certain properties that complement or boost the effectiveness of each other. For example, DL-Phenylalanine and a B-complex vitamin boosts the effectiveness of the L-Tryptophan.

I don't take the higher dosages any longer. During my tapering process and the month after total withdrawal I did, but now I take less than half of that original dosage. It's best to try it and seek your own best levels. It is not an exact science and you may need less for effectiveness. I started at such a high dosage of Klonopin and I wanted to aggressively taper so the higher dosages of amino acids helped me.

> In taking your aminos, do you take all of them (tryptophan, Dl-phenylalanine, etc) at the same time or do you take the Tryptophan (for example) a few hours before the others to prevent the aminos competing with each other just as they might if you took them with a protein meal? Also ow long did you take the aminos for when tapering the Klonopin and do you still take them? 300mg Tryptophan seems pretty high! But I'm glad it's worked for you!

 

Redirect: aminos

Posted by Dr. Bob on May 18, 2004, at 0:01:14

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 15, 2004, at 8:15:25

> In taking your aminos...

I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding amino acids to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20040418/msgs/348008.html

Thanks,

Bob

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Ole Olsen on May 22, 2004, at 12:13:58

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Ole Olsen on May 22, 2004, at 11:49:32

Hi Laura, it's nice to see someone who is using aminos successfully to come of the benzos. I have a Ph.D. in experimental medicine so I'm not a medical doctor but I have the ability and knowledge to thoroughly research the biochemisty behind these drugs etc etc. However, my limitation is the physiological effect these agents will have. As far as my own research goes the aminos are very well tolerated with minimal toxicity even at very high doses except for a few such as 5HTP and GABA which are very potent and need to be used at low starting doses. My wife has been on klonopin at 1 mg/day for 3 years and we are now trying to get her off the drug. She started by reducing her dose to 0.5 mg once day followed a few hours later with 500 mg tyrosine, 2500 mg glutamine, and in the afternoon 2 cups of strong green tea (L-theanine). She also does a 20 minute aerobic workout once a day. Her withdrawl symptoms have generally been mild and non debilitating. I've thought of adding GABA to her regimen and noted that you used GABA to help your withdrawl symptoms but I am concerned about the mechanism of action of the klonopin as it makes the GABA receptor "stick" tighter to the GABA and for a longer period of time. My question is were you still taking a lower dose of klonopin when taking the GABA etc or did you stop the drug and replace it with the supplements. Also, what dose of GABA did you take (mgs per Kgs body weight) and was it before or after taking your dose of klonopin? Also, you may wish to add taurine to your supplement list as this agent stimulates neurons to make so-called low affinity GABA receptors.

Thanks

Ole

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 24, 2004, at 4:38:39

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Ole Olsen on May 22, 2004, at 12:13:58

Hi Ole,

I can't comment on several issues you raised and will leave that for Laura. However, I have some comments on GABA.

It seems that Laura is not the only one to use GABA successfully for benzo withdrawal (see Dr.Bob post by Gabbix2 pasted in below). I have also found that Julia Ross (author of The Mood Cure) has used GABA along with taurine (which you recommended), inositol, and glycine for Klonopin detox of a client of hers along with careful monitoring by a physician (The Mood Cure, pg.220-21). She recommends that use of aminos be accompanied by monitoring by a physician. I also discovered that Dr.Eric Braverman (PATHMED) uses GABA along with other aminos (e.g. tarurine & Glycine)for benzo withdrawal and theanine (used by Laura) was recommended to me by one of his nutritionists in a telephone consultation. It's important to note that Dr.Braverman also uses the drugs Depakote or Gabapentin as adjuncts in withdrawal.

I don't know if this answers your question about the "mechanism of action" re GABA and Klonopin but GABA does seem to work for a number of people. I have begun using it in my own tapering/withdrawal initiative.

Good luck!

Jamie
p.s. Below is the post last year by Gabbix2 re use of GABA with aminos and inositol.

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Re: natural alternative to a benzo? Gabbix2
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 4, 2003, at 22:47:23

In reply to Re: Viridis, Re: Is there a natural alternative to a , posted by Gabbix2 on September 4, 2003, at 20:29:46

> Taking gaba with B complex, 1200mgs inositol and a free form amino acid complex helps increase its absorption.
> I used it last year when withdrawing from Klonopin, it did have a noticeable effect;
> Certainly far moreso than anything else I tried like Kava Kava, or valerian.
> Inositol is contraindicated though if you are bi-polar as apparently it can induce mania.
>
> I don't know what using the gaba combination is like on an ongoing basis for anxiety, it was too difficult for me to get, I can't buy it in Canada.
> I found my benzo fears to be unfounded
> so I'm back on them, but the gaba it did help.
> I just thought I'd pass that along.
> Good luck
>

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin Ole Olsen

Posted by Laura915 on May 24, 2004, at 9:05:24

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Ole Olsen on May 22, 2004, at 12:13:58

I did take GABA while lowering my Klonopin dosages, but not at high levels. I titrated the dosage up as I reduced the Klonopin. After I was completely off of the Klonopin I found the GABA to be even more noticably effective. I started with 500 mgs (I'm 100#) and took as much as 1500 mgs in divided doses. Now I only take 500 mgs at night. I took taurine with it at one point but found I was more jittery than without (probably a personal biochemical reaction). I am glad your wife is trying this route to avoid using another Rx to get off of an Rx which is what was recommended by my doctor.


> Hi Laura, it's nice to see someone who is using aminos successfully to come of the benzos. I have a Ph.D. in experimental medicine so I'm not a medical doctor but I have the ability and knowledge to thoroughly research the biochemisty behind these drugs etc etc. However, my limitation is the physiological effect these agents will have. As far as my own research goes the aminos are very well tolerated with minimal toxicity even at very high doses except for a few such as 5HTP and GABA which are very potent and need to be used at low starting doses. My wife has been on klonopin at 1 mg/day for 3 years and we are now trying to get her off the drug. She started by reducing her dose to 0.5 mg once day followed a few hours later with 500 mg tyrosine, 2500 mg glutamine, and in the afternoon 2 cups of strong green tea (L-theanine). She also does a 20 minute aerobic workout once a day. Her withdrawl symptoms have generally been mild and non debilitating. I've thought of adding GABA to her regimen and noted that you used GABA to help your withdrawl symptoms but I am concerned about the mechanism of action of the klonopin as it makes the GABA receptor "stick" tighter to the GABA and for a longer period of time. My question is were you still taking a lower dose of klonopin when taking the GABA etc or did you stop the drug and replace it with the supplements. Also, what dose of GABA did you take (mgs per Kgs body weight) and was it before or after taking your dose of klonopin? Also, you may wish to add taurine to your supplement list as this agent stimulates neurons to make so-called low affinity GABA receptors.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ole

 

Klonopin half lives

Posted by fanarokt on May 24, 2004, at 20:43:07

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 15, 2004, at 9:31:48

i have been taking klonopin for a couple of months but plan to switch back to a mood stabilizer i took previously. i have been taking 2-6mg per day depending on what i needed. i will problely keep the klonopin for melt-downs but i am interested in how long it will take to get out of my system. also how bad the withdrawals will be. sex is the main reason for the drop on this med. it kills everything and i don't need that right now. any answers from experience would be appricated. thanks

 

Re: Klonopin half lives

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 25, 2004, at 5:33:04

In reply to Klonopin half lives, posted by fanarokt on May 24, 2004, at 20:43:07

Fanarokt,

If I recall correctly, Klonopin's half-life varies from 18-50 hours. The half-life is the "time taken for the blood concentration to fall to half its initial value after a single dose" (Prof.Ashton, p.5). Professor Ashton's manual, 'Benzodiazepines - How They Work and How to Withdraw'is available at www.benzo.org.uk. The manual is excellent re withdrawal but doesn't cover aids such as aminos.

Jamie

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Ole Olsen on May 25, 2004, at 11:14:42

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin Ole Olsen, posted by Laura915 on May 24, 2004, at 9:05:24

Thanks Laura. I thought it would be relatively safe for my wife to take GABA while still using a small dose of klonopin but the problem with the aminos is getting the dosage right. You did exactly what I thought I would have my wife do which is to start at 500 mgs daily and titrate up if needed.

Ole

 

Re: Klonopin half lives Jamie Baulsch

Posted by fanarokt on May 25, 2004, at 21:57:49

In reply to Re: Klonopin half lives, posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 25, 2004, at 5:33:04

thanks jamie that really helped


Fanarokt,
>
> If I recall correctly, Klonopin's half-life varies from 18-50 hours. The half-life is the "time taken for the blood concentration to fall to half its initial value after a single dose" (Prof.Ashton, p.5). Professor Ashton's manual, 'Benzodiazepines - How They Work and How to Withdraw'is available at www.benzo.org.uk. The manual is excellent re withdrawal but doesn't cover aids such as aminos.
>
> Jamie

 

withdrawl

Posted by rutt on May 27, 2004, at 12:26:28

In reply to Re: Klonopin half lives Jamie Baulsch, posted by fanarokt on May 25, 2004, at 21:57:49

Hi everyone,
I've been on klonopin for 3 years now(panic and anxiety) at 2mg a day-now I'm down to .5 a day. I'm having a hard time stopping the med completely. I'm not sure if it's my psychological or physical dependence at this point thats stopping me. 0.5 is a low dose, and I'm not sure if it is even doing anything at this point. My life is hectic right now-new job, schedual, insomnia, so my anxiety is pretty high. I probably should increase my dose, but I don't want to lose ground in withdrawl. Anyone have any input?
russ

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by Ole Olsen on May 27, 2004, at 13:29:57

In reply to withdrawl, posted by rutt on May 27, 2004, at 12:26:28

Hi Russ, in my earlier post I mentioned that my wife is down from 1.0 mg daily to 0.5 mg daily and is taking 2500 mg L-glutamine, 500 mg L-tyrosine, 2 cups of strong green tea (L-theanine) and exercising 20 mintues daily. The supplements are truly helping her withdrawl as there was one episode where she stopped the glutamine for 2 days and suffered a mild but real acute anxiety episode which disappeared when she resumed the glutamine. So, I'd suggest trying a similar supplementation with glutamine but I wouldn't try the tyrosine if you are prone to panic attacks as there is literature that tyrosine might increase the chance of panic attacks. Also, Laura915 suggested that she was taking up to 1500 mg daily of GABA when she stopped the drug completely and is now down to a maintenance dose of 500 mg daily so you could probabaly add that as well. However, I would not take the glutamine at the same time as the GABA but a different times of the day, glutamine in the morning and GABA in the evening or before going to sleep. Hope this helps.

Ole

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by rutt on May 27, 2004, at 19:44:12

In reply to Re: withdrawl, posted by Ole Olsen on May 27, 2004, at 13:29:57

Thanks for the information Ole. I appreciate the information. I have never heard of these supplements- would I get them in a health food store or vitamin shop?
russ

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by Ole Olsen on May 28, 2004, at 11:15:49

In reply to Re: withdrawl, posted by rutt on May 27, 2004, at 19:44:12

Most health food or vitamin stores will have these items but sometimes not exactly what you're looking form. Go online and search the names of the supplements and you'll find 1000's of hits, I've been buying products from NOW (http://www.nowcatalog.com/)or Life extension foundation (http://www.lef.org/)as they are apparently USP (pharmaceutical grade). Also, be sure to take a good multivitamin since the various vitamins are cofactors for the proper metabolism of these supplements, especially B6. Good luck and let me know how it goes.

Ole

PS remember I'm not a medical doctor but I'm a scientist with biological training so what I've said is a suggestion only. If you can afford it make an appointment with a naturopathic doctor that prefereably has a standard MD as I've found they are the most knowledgable re prescription drugs and natural alternatives.

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by rutt on May 28, 2004, at 17:31:21

In reply to Re: withdrawl, posted by Ole Olsen on May 28, 2004, at 11:15:49

thanks again ole- Has anyone on this board had a problem with dizziness/vertigo? I'm very uncomfortable and I wonder if its from the klonopin. I've been on it for 3 years with on and off dizziness at 2mg/day-I'm on .5 now and for the last 2 weeks have been experiencing vertigo, and strange perceptual sensations. Does anyone have a theory?
Russ

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 29, 2004, at 4:43:28

In reply to Re: withdrawl, posted by rutt on May 28, 2004, at 17:31:21

Rutt,
It's very important for you to try to become familiar with withdrawal and tapering symptoms. Go to www.benzo.org.uk and download Professor Ashton's manual on benzodiazepines or get a book or other information on withdrawal. This web site has a great deal of valuable information. You will then be able to identify the experiences you are having more effectively as withdrawal related or not.

The feelings and sensations we have during tapering and withdrawal include a wide range of physical and psychological symptoms and these can also vary from individual to individual. If you educate yourself you will have a better understanding of what is happening to you. This may increase your comfort level in the sense that you may be less inclined to worry about some of the feelings/sensations you have because you will realize that they are a normal part of withdrawal.

Good luck,

Jamie

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by rutt on May 29, 2004, at 21:42:55

In reply to Re: withdrawl, posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 29, 2004, at 4:43:28

Jamie,
Thanks for the imput. I am familiar with the benzo withdrawl literature-that's why I am concerned about my dizziness/vertigo. I have been withdrawing very slowly and carefully. I have been stalling at .5 for a couple of months now, so I don't think my symptoms are withdrawl related.
Has anyone heard of prolonged use of klonopin causing dizziness/vertigo?
concerned,
Russ

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by snapper on May 29, 2004, at 22:18:40

In reply to Re: withdrawl, posted by rutt on May 29, 2004, at 21:42:55

> Jamie,
> Thanks for the imput. I am familiar with the benzo withdrawl literature-that's why I am concerned about my dizziness/vertigo. I have been withdrawing very slowly and carefully. I have been stalling at .5 for a couple of months now, so I don't think my symptoms are withdrawl related.
> Has anyone heard of prolonged use of klonopin causing dizziness/vertigo?
> concerned,
> Russ

Anything is possible, but also remember that for many the last bit of benzo withdrawl is usually the very hardest. I will also say this: I have heard ...that when withdrawing from benzos - the effects can be likend to the idea that something is very drastically wrong in your body when in fact it is either acute withdrawl or once off the drug, protracted withdrawl. In other words it can make you feel like a hypo-chondriac. Not saying you are because vertigo and dizziness are absolutly horrific in and of themselves- try going back up to 1 mg and see what happens if the vert and dizz. get better or subside then you will need to go on a much slower withdrawl. Hope this helps and good luck
snapper

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 30, 2004, at 5:15:54

In reply to Re: withdrawl, posted by rutt on May 29, 2004, at 21:42:55

Rutt,

Sorry, I forgot to address your dizziness/vertigo. When you say you are "familiar" with the withdrawal literature remember that the range of information is huge and you might not have mastered all of it. I certainly haven't and I am still learning. However, I have found references to dizziness and vertigo in relation to Klonopin either as due to withdrawal or as an "adverse effect." Of course, adverse effects may develop during withdrawal and not when you are taking a regular dose.

Re Klonopin's adverse effects on the CNS (central nervous system) these are some: " Other adverse reactions involving the CNS have included nystagmus, unsteady gait, slurred speech, dysarthria, vertigo, insomnia, and diplopia. Isolated reports of akinesia, hemiparesis, tremor, hypotonia, headache and choreiform movements have been received."(www.mentalhealth.com)

In view of the foregoing clear reference to vertigo ("unsteady gait" may be partly dizziness) and other references I have found to dizziness, it is quite possible that your problems are withdrawal related.

You could increase the dose, as was suggested, and see if these symptoms disappear. However, that could affect the progress you have made because you would have to taper down again. Two other suggestions I have are: 1) check with a physician to ensure that the dizzines/vertigo isn't due to some other problem 2) try taking some of the aminos mentioned and/or other supplements which might alleviate the symptoms.

Good luck,

Jamie

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by rutt on May 31, 2004, at 15:48:20

In reply to Re: withdrawl, posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 30, 2004, at 5:15:54

thanks jamie and snapper- I appreiciate the information and advice.
russ

 

Re: withdrawl

Posted by fanarokt on May 31, 2004, at 19:14:27

In reply to Re: withdrawl, posted by rutt on May 31, 2004, at 15:48:20

thanks for all the advice and help. it's been a hard week going cold turkey but worth it i guess

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin sheebies

Posted by ddeeS on August 26, 2004, at 10:38:02

In reply to withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by sheebies on August 25, 2003, at 8:54:49

> Help please. I have been taking klonopin (.5mg taking one to two at bedtime) for almost a year. I started taking after a bad withdrawl from Metabolife (yes, I know very stupid). I also had really bad insomnia and diagnosed with having an anxiety disorder. Any way all of the sudden one day, my klonopin stopped working. I totally went through 4 days of hell - heart palps, huge insomnia, panic attacks (still taking the klonopin). I remembered that my doctor had said that you can get addicted, you will start needing more and it will stop working. That is what happened. I started taking 3 (.5mg each) at night to get to sleep. And my insomnia got worse. So I went to my Doc and told him I wanted to get off of them. After describing my huge panic, heart palps and mood swings during those 4 days. He perscribed Seroquel. When I asked him why he wanted be to take that - he said that he thought I might be starting to be bi-polor. This freaked me out and I didn't take them. I thought that those feeling might just be related to the klonopin, so I just started tapering off (.5 a night), then after a week or 10 days, I totally stopped. My insomnia got worse. I totally freaked out and had huge, huge anxiety/panic and depression feelings. I called him and said that I wanted to go off of the Klonopin and did'nt want to start taking the Seroquel, so he gave me xanax xr .5mg and told me to take 2 at night to help me sleep. Completely blowing off the idea about me trying to get off of every thing. So, thinking that xanax would be milder than the klonopin, and needing to get one night of sleep - I have been taking 2 (.5mgs) of xanax for the last 2 nights. Yes I am sleeping, but I dont' know what to do know.
>
> My question is....has anyone been successful in getting off of klonopin and how long do the horrifing withdrawls last. Do you feel normal again? Or at least how you felt before starting it. I am wondering if I need an AD to help with the withdrawl? Any way I am going to my thearpist today to see what she thinks about his bi-polar comment and to get a name or a psych. for a 2nd opinion.
>
> THanks.

sheebies,

Hi there, Boy do I understand. Benzos are so hard to come off of, I am also dx'd bipolar and have been on all of them from klonopin to xanax. never has a seizure but that is due to the fact that I am usually on a combination of antiseizures for my bipolar as well. my cousin on the other hand has one everytime, she tends to have a high tolerance build up and abuses hers and runs short and then has to withdrawl, and goes into seizures. I however , have quit them cold turkey in the past and just went into hypomania and experience psychosis. That is when they gave me seroquel. I take it short term.

As soon as you get a benzo, keep in mind that xanax in a benzo , but in a seperate class as it is the strongest and has the worst withdrawl length and sx's. Benzos include the following:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202084.html

This website will help answer many of your questions.

Your doctor should comply with your request to stop the addictive medications and should by law and liability taper you slowly to prevent any dangerous withdrawls,i.e. the ones you are describing. I'm so sorry that you are experiencing such hell. I do know what you are/were feeling and hope that you are better now.

Have you received another opinion on your bipolar dx? withdrawls and mania are very similar and sleep deprivation is very dangerous with bipolar.esp. bipolar 1. seroquel does have new FDA warnings. please be advised on them if you are predisposed to diabetes. And should only be used for short term relief , particularly for psychosis which runs hand and hand with withdrawls in bipolars.

come visit us anytime @ www.psychforums.com. I am moderator there.

Take good care.

DDeeS

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by Ole Olsen on August 26, 2004, at 11:51:46

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin sheebies, posted by ddeeS on August 26, 2004, at 10:38:02

Hi,I can suggest a couple of things. First, if you want to get off klonopin you need to understand exactly what it is and how it works so there is a website developed by Professor Heather Ashton, look up her name and you will find the link, its the most comprehensive site I've come across and includes a withdrawl routine that might be helpful if its done under you doctors supervision. Second, in my earlier posts I discussed the use of over the counter supplements to help ease the withdrawl symptoms. My wife had taken 2 x 0.5 mg every morning for about 3 years and then tried to go cold-turkey and of course had an anxiety attack, relatively mild but very real. So, after I did some research I found that the amino acid glutamine is the precursor for GABA which is the neurotransmitter responsible for calm/no anxiety. SInce March 15 my wife reduced her dose to 0.5 mg in the morning but has a cup of strong green tea (2 bags in 2 cups of water), the active ingredient in green tea is L-theanine which promotes GABA synthesis, with a level teaspoon of glutamine in ther afternoon and this has really helped ease her withdrawl symptoms which now, after 6 months are pretty much gone and we ar thinkingof reducing her dose to 0.25 mg daily for the next 6 months, then to 0 of course. At times when she missed the tea/glutamine for a day or two and began to experience heightened withdrawl symptoms I had her take 1 x 500 mg of GABA (bought at a vitamin store or on-line) with her 0.5 mg klonopin and this worked well to restore her calm.

Hope this helps

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on January 16, 2005, at 4:08:50

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by Ole Olsen on August 26, 2004, at 11:51:46

Hi Ole,

I am curious to know if your wife has been able to withdraw completely from the Klnonopin on th egreen tea and Glutamine regimen. I would also like to know how many mgs. of glutamine is in the teaspoon you gave her daily.

Kind regards,

Jamie

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by fanarokt on January 16, 2005, at 14:28:36

In reply to withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by sheebies on August 25, 2003, at 8:54:49

thanks to some huge needs for a release from anxiety and several other things i have gone back on benzos 3 times. usually at a fair size dose (different every time). the withdrawals every time have been worse. even the last time i was just on a few months and that was bad. i just tried a few remedies and nothing really took the bad away except for more of the same i suppose but benzos are not something you can taper off of. i got through it and last month i had my usual bad christmas. the one before my wife kicked me out christmas eve and this christmas my first girlfriend since my wife divorced me decided things were moving too fast cut the relationship off. i saw my doctor the day after it happened because i could feel the way things were going. by the time i got to him the anxiety was eating me. now i am slipping to depression. the anxiety was so bad it might have driven me to something bad since i was just away from my wife for 6 months. he again tried to push the benzos on me. i insisted on buspar. it is working fairly well on the anxiety so it might be an alternative to klonopin to people who need it for that.


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