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Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 1:44:33

This is something i was going to mention earlier.

Ever sice I have started remeron my morals have gone haywire....

Basically, from my university canteens, I am pinching a lot of food. And since i have been on remeron this has happened on an almost daily basis. im talking about stealing 3 chocolates twice a day.

This NEVER happened before Remeron and I would never have even thought to do such a thing.

I have heard of psych meds having effects on moral disposition- either positively or, as in my case, negatively.

This has got to stop....regardless of the moral issue (i espouse in obeying the law) i could get in serious trouble if caught. But on remeron, its like i cant control it....

Thanks goodness Im trying Carbamazepine soon- but lets hope that doesn't make me start stealing cars!!!!


Ace (only a theif when on remeron!)
Nardil 75
Zyprexa 2.5
remeron (the 'theif' med!) 15

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by snapper on May 21, 2004, at 2:16:59

In reply to Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 1:44:33

Ace, I don't know about the remeron and bad moral behaviour thing but-Remeron made me eat foods that I would never eat if I was'nt on the remeron. Oh and btw. I know you are trying to DESTRORy your residual OCD but I am sure you are aware that Zyprexa, Nardil,& Remeron might be a cocktail for possible extreme obsity, heart problems, and maybe even Diabetes!! Hope you find something that kicks the OCD to hades and never comes back :)>
Snapper

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by crazychickuk on May 21, 2004, at 2:47:22

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by snapper on May 21, 2004, at 2:16:59

Remeron does make you crave food BADLY.....

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by King Vultan on May 21, 2004, at 7:56:32

In reply to Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 1:44:33

I experienced alcoholism while on Prozac, the only time in my life this has occurred, and it did not go away until I dumped the med. I must also admit to engaging in some rather lewd and extremely inappropriate behavior while on it (I'm sure the alcohol had a lot to do with this). I feel fortunate that I was able to get through that experience without getting into more trouble, which definitely could have been very serious.

Todd

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » ace

Posted by Maximus on May 21, 2004, at 8:10:34

In reply to Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 1:44:33

Hi Ace,

I do agree with you completely. I hated this drug so much. This board is too short to describe all the side effects i have had with it. Anyway you can not be worse with the carbamazepine. Impossible;-)

Good luck in your quest!

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by djmmm on May 21, 2004, at 8:41:45

In reply to Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 1:44:33

> This is something i was going to mention earlier.
>
> Ever sice I have started remeron my morals have gone haywire....
>
> Basically, from my university canteens, I am pinching a lot of food. And since i have been on remeron this has happened on an almost daily basis. im talking about stealing 3 chocolates twice a day.
>
> This NEVER happened before Remeron and I would never have even thought to do such a thing.
>
> I have heard of psych meds having effects on moral disposition- either positively or, as in my case, negatively.
>
> This has got to stop....regardless of the moral issue (i espouse in obeying the law) i could get in serious trouble if caught. But on remeron, its like i cant control it....
>
> Thanks goodness Im trying Carbamazepine soon- but lets hope that doesn't make me start stealing cars!!!!
>
>
> Ace (only a theif when on remeron!)
> Nardil 75
> Zyprexa 2.5
> remeron (the 'theif' med!) 15
>

I have heard of this effect before, not specifically with Remeron, but with the use of SSRIs and MAOIs at high doses...it's sort of a syndrome of inappropriate anxiety (of lack of)...similar to an extreme case of apathy, where you "just don't care" high doses of MAOIs (and the resulting LOW concentrations of MAO, specifically MAO-B) have been linked to crimnial behavior, less self control (inhibition)

"Low platelet monoamine oxidase activity in Swedish imprisoned criminal offenders," Håkan Garpenstrand, Eva Longato-Stadler, Britt af Klinteberg, Elena Grigorenko, Mattias Damberg, Lars Oreland, and Jarmila Hallman, European Neuropsychopharmacology, Vol. 12, 2002, 135-40.

Acta Psychiatr Scand. 1994 Jan;89(1):41-5.
Criminality and platelet monoamine oxidase activity in former juvenile delinquents as adults.
Alm PO, Alm M, Humble K, Leppert J, Sorensen S, Lidberg L, Oreland L.

 

Look to the Zyprexa not the Remeron (nm)

Posted by BobS, on May 21, 2004, at 14:25:53

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by djmmm on May 21, 2004, at 8:41:45

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » ace

Posted by Racer on May 21, 2004, at 14:40:58

In reply to Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 1:44:33

Disclaimer: This is only anecdotal information from a sample size of one, so take it for exactly what it's worth.

I just finished an eight day failed trial of Remeron. During that time, I felt entirely out of control. The things that set me off were things that always bother me, but my reaction to them was totally out of all proportion. My emotions went out of control, I had very strong violent impulses in response to objectively minimal stimulus -- which is ENTIRELY out of character for me -- and I couldn't control my eating at all -- also more than a little out of character for me. Today is the first day I've been able to put it into any perspective at all, and it was as if the drug removed all impulse control for me. My inhibitions were lowered to the point I was not capable of restraining my behavioral responses to anything.

Again, sample size of one is hardly statistically relevant, but it may be that something similar is going on with you.

I do have some advice, though: tell your doctor and talk about it. You didn't mention how long you've been on this drug, but if it's new for you, this might be a sign that it's not a good fit for you. If you're concerned with your doctor's reactions to the specific behaviors -- ie: stealing -- don't get that specific. Tell him that you're doing things that are out of character for you, that you don't feel able to control your behavior, that you don't feel comfortable discussing the specifics, but that the behaviors in question are really causing you a great deal of distress. Mind you, my situation is complicated by my lack of access to the doctor, it's all through a clerk in his office (and yes -- it is distressing to have to discuss my mental health with an office clerk, but that's another story), so all I got when I called on the day it became a real crisis was, "Doctor says if you don't feel well, stop taking it." And a week later I still haven't had a chance to talk to anyone about it. I hope you're in a better situation than that, but I still say try to talk to your doctor about it.

Good luck.

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by Impermanence on May 21, 2004, at 16:53:31

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » ace, posted by Racer on May 21, 2004, at 14:40:58

I was taking 30mg of Remeron for six months and 5mg of Zyprexa for four weeks so I have an understanding of both drugs. I would agree with BobS; "Look to the Zyprexa not the Remeron". Remeron may give you an active appetite (dident for me) but Zyprexa dulls your emotions and can make you feel low or numb like nothing I've ever felt before. The combination of drugs may be giving you a new sence of liberation which many feel anyway but can control and put into perspective. You have to learn how to handle this new freedom your mind has been given by chemicals.
Stop yourself next time you feel the urge, see things how they where before and be happy enough you are now confident. You don't have to steel things, thats always your choice no matter how many drugs you're on.

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by PhoenixGirl on May 21, 2004, at 22:19:07

In reply to Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 1:44:33

Somebody might have posted this already, but I'm too lazy to read the whole thread, so I'm posting this info here: Remeron is known to make people very hungry. That probably accounts for your taking the food. It's not a moral issue.

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » PhoenixGirl

Posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 22:28:44

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by PhoenixGirl on May 21, 2004, at 22:19:07

> Somebody might have posted this already, but I'm too lazy to read the whole thread, so I'm posting this info here: Remeron is known to make people very hungry. That probably accounts for your taking the food. It's not a moral issue.

It is a moral issue. On Zyprexa + Nardil I am also extremely hungry, but I never even thought about stealing food....but once I added Remeron I began to steal...and I noticed no increase in appetite with the addition of Remeron.

Ace.

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » snapper

Posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 22:30:40

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by snapper on May 21, 2004, at 2:16:59

> Ace, I don't know about the remeron and bad moral behaviour thing but-Remeron made me eat foods that I would never eat if I was'nt on the remeron. Oh and btw. I know you are trying to DESTRORy your residual OCD but I am sure you are aware that Zyprexa, Nardil,& Remeron might be a cocktail for possible extreme obsity, heart problems, and maybe even Diabetes!!

Yes. I will loose Remeron, and I had better get started on a fruit and vegie diet. I live on chocolate now!!!


Hope you find something that kicks the OCD to hades and never comes back :)>

Thanks so much mate....I know i will!


> Snapper

Ace

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 22:33:23

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by crazychickuk on May 21, 2004, at 2:47:22

> Remeron does make you crave food BADLY.....

It hasn't for me! See, before Remeron I was on Nardil + Zyprexa...both these drugs are known to cause food cravings big time.

I havent noticed any increase in food cravings with the addition of Remeron. All I have noticed is my actions are acting in contradiction to my morals (stealing, littering etc)

If I keep my stealing behaviour up, Australia is going to run out of chocolates!!

Ace.

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » Maximus

Posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 22:34:35

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » ace, posted by Maximus on May 21, 2004, at 8:10:34

> Hi Ace,
>
> I do agree with you completely. I hated this drug so much. This board is too short to describe all the side effects i have had with it. Anyway you can not be worse with the carbamazepine. Impossible;-)
>
> Good luck in your quest!


Thanks mate!! Glad your off Remeron!
Ace

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » djmmm

Posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 22:35:48

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by djmmm on May 21, 2004, at 8:41:45

> > This is something i was going to mention earlier.
> >
> > Ever sice I have started remeron my morals have gone haywire....
> >
> > Basically, from my university canteens, I am pinching a lot of food. And since i have been on remeron this has happened on an almost daily basis. im talking about stealing 3 chocolates twice a day.
> >
> > This NEVER happened before Remeron and I would never have even thought to do such a thing.
> >
> > I have heard of psych meds having effects on moral disposition- either positively or, as in my case, negatively.
> >
> > This has got to stop....regardless of the moral issue (i espouse in obeying the law) i could get in serious trouble if caught. But on remeron, its like i cant control it....
> >
> > Thanks goodness Im trying Carbamazepine soon- but lets hope that doesn't make me start stealing cars!!!!
> >
> >
> > Ace (only a theif when on remeron!)
> > Nardil 75
> > Zyprexa 2.5
> > remeron (the 'theif' med!) 15
> >
>
> I have heard of this effect before, not specifically with Remeron, but with the use of SSRIs and MAOIs at high doses...it's sort of a syndrome of inappropriate anxiety (of lack of)...similar to an extreme case of apathy, where you "just don't care" high doses of MAOIs (and the resulting LOW concentrations of MAO, specifically MAO-B) have been linked to crimnial behavior, less self control (inhibition)
>
> "Low platelet monoamine oxidase activity in Swedish imprisoned criminal offenders," Håkan Garpenstrand, Eva Longato-Stadler, Britt af Klinteberg, Elena Grigorenko, Mattias Damberg, Lars Oreland, and Jarmila Hallman, European Neuropsychopharmacology, Vol. 12, 2002, 135-40.
>
> Acta Psychiatr Scand. 1994 Jan;89(1):41-5.
> Criminality and platelet monoamine oxidase activity in former juvenile delinquents as adults.
> Alm PO, Alm M, Humble K, Leppert J, Sorensen S, Lidberg L, Oreland L.
>

Thanks Djmmmm....this I believe could very well be happening...although I have noticed no, or hardly any, decrease in my phobic anxiety. But you present a very valid point.

Ace.

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » Racer

Posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 22:37:51

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » ace, posted by Racer on May 21, 2004, at 14:40:58

> Disclaimer: This is only anecdotal information from a sample size of one, so take it for exactly what it's worth.
>
> I just finished an eight day failed trial of Remeron. During that time, I felt entirely out of control. The things that set me off were things that always bother me, but my reaction to them was totally out of all proportion. My emotions went out of control, I had very strong violent impulses in response to objectively minimal stimulus -- which is ENTIRELY out of character for me -- and I couldn't control my eating at all -- also more than a little out of character for me. Today is the first day I've been able to put it into any perspective at all, and it was as if the drug removed all impulse control for me. My inhibitions were lowered to the point I was not capable of restraining my behavioral responses to anything.

Very interesting- and congruent with my situation.


>
> Again, sample size of one is hardly statistically relevant, but it may be that something similar is going on with you.
>
> I do have some advice, though: tell your doctor and talk about it. You didn't mention how long you've been on this drug, but if it's new for you, this might be a sign that it's not a good fit for you. If you're concerned with your doctor's reactions to the specific behaviors -- ie: stealing -- don't get that specific. Tell him that you're doing things that are out of character for you, that you don't feel able to control your behavior, that you don't feel comfortable discussing the specifics, but that the behaviors in question are really causing you a great deal of distress. Mind you, my situation is complicated by my lack of access to the doctor, it's all through a clerk in his office (and yes -- it is distressing to have to discuss my mental health with an office clerk, but that's another story), so all I got when I called on the day it became a real crisis was, "Doctor says if you don't feel well, stop taking it." And a week later I still haven't had a chance to talk to anyone about it. I hope you're in a better situation than that, but I still say try to talk to your doctor about it.
>
> Good luck.

Thanks for the advice mate. I preety much am going to drop Remeron and go with the Carbamazepine. Who knows, if I stayed on remeron, I might be writing to you guys from prison!!!!!!


Thanks again pal,

Ace.

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » King Vultan

Posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 22:40:32

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by King Vultan on May 21, 2004, at 7:56:32

> I experienced alcoholism while on Prozac, the only time in my life this has occurred, and it did not go away until I dumped the med. I must also admit to engaging in some rather lewd and extremely inappropriate behavior while on it (I'm sure the alcohol had a lot to do with this). I feel fortunate that I was able to get through that experience without getting into more trouble, which definitely could have been very serious.
>
> Todd


Todd, how long were you on the Prozac?? Did it cause euphoria which induced certain undesirable behaviours??

Ace.

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by shadows721 on May 21, 2004, at 23:34:01

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » King Vultan, posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 22:40:32

Ace,

I am glad you realized that the Remeron was having this effect. I have heard of a woman that ate a quarter of a pound of white sugar out of the box per day while on Remeron. She said the gravings were totally out of control.

I hope you feel better real soon.

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour

Posted by ravenstorm on May 22, 2004, at 9:27:14

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour, posted by shadows721 on May 21, 2004, at 23:34:01

I've been on 15mg of remeron for about six weeks. I had really extreme reactions and irritability that I couldn't seem to control for about three weeks, then it passed. Haven't had any questionable moral behaviour and hope to God that it doesn't start. I was freaked out enough from the irritability. . .glad it has passed.

Hope you find something else that works better for you.

p.s. what happens if you consciously tell yourself "OK, I have an urge to steal this candy bar but I am not going to do it, I'm going to walk away". ??

 

Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » ace

Posted by King Vultan on May 22, 2004, at 11:22:01

In reply to Re: Remeron and my BAD MORAL behaviour » King Vultan, posted by ace on May 21, 2004, at 22:40:32


>
>
> Todd, how long were you on the Prozac?? Did it cause euphoria which induced certain undesirable behaviours??
>
> Ace.
>


Actually, the problem started because of the blasted insomnia that Prozac caused me, and I started started using alcohol to get to sleep (my psychiatrist offered to prescribe some sleeping pills, but I was young and naive and had a hangup about sleeping pills--what a dumbass). My alcohol consumption increased, as it seemed like Prozac chopped off the highs for me, and I think the excessive drinking did induce some euphoria to counterbalance that. I think I was on it for perhaps six or eight months and finally went in and told my psychiatrist I didn't want to take it anymore, as I fortunately had enough wisdom to comprehend and accept the destructive course I was on. I never told him about the alcohol problem; he was rather aged, and I'm sure he's passed away by now--this was about ten years ago. I feel bad that I never told him.

Todd


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