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Posted by seeknsolace on May 3, 2004, at 6:01:27
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by chemist on May 3, 2004, at 3:10:59
hey chemist, just seeing if you're doing alright, your posting time was 3 something am. I'm not sure what time zone your in or what time zone this board is set for. Seeing the time reminded me of the good old days of NOT SLEEPING. Before I knew I was bipolar/depressed.. just a few yrs ago. I had insomnia for 2 freakin yrs. I would wake every 15 mins to half hour, fully awake and alert. And that was waking to panick attacks and crying bouts, just to wear myself out then would go back to sleep.. fun times I tell ya! I didnt know that I was so ill, I thought it was just me.. how I am, tho I woke in tears with cause.. heartache.. (dam men!) I do know the heartache only manifested the root of the problem.
I went thru therapy to learn to sleep, to learn to love myself enough to relax and allow myself to sleep.. just took alot of strength to do this. Now, even still being bipolar, I dont suffer any more from insomnia. I look at the clock and tell myself I'm gonna sleep because I dont wanna feel like crap.. feel like I once felt. I dont know where your at, but hope you can get something out of this. Most of the time, I cant even stay awake during a nine o'clock movie!
Today is day 2 of being on 5-htp, woke with more mental clarity, still sick tho.. took some otc medicine last night, use to cause me to go into anxiety mode, but it didnt, so maybe getting better.
If I'm annoying anyone with writing too much.. good, I'm just gonna write even more! ;) I am a woman after all :P
Posted by SLS on May 3, 2004, at 10:09:27
In reply to Re: relative efficacy of Effexor to the SSRIs » SLS, posted by TanyaJean on May 2, 2004, at 17:04:52
Hi TJ.
> Scott, are you a student or psychologist or teacher? I missed it if you've ever said.
Car salesman. :-)
That sounds so funny, but it's true. I was a straight A student through my sophomore year of college, where I was working on a biology major. At that point I could no longer read, learn, and remember. I had to quit. After that, I floundered from job to job. Not pretty, but not unique. There are so many stories like that here. I had such a passion for medicine. I had to give up on that calling once I realized that even if I were brought into remission, medication breakthrough relapse was almost a certainty with the stresses of medical school and internship. I couldn't afford to take that chance.
I don't know how to account for the difficult time you had coming off of Effexor. It reminds me of what it felt like to discontinue Klonopin. But even that did not involve residual symptoms beyond one week. To come off of Effexor, I dosed myself as many times during the day as was necessary to stave off withdrawal symptoms. I would swallow a few grains here and a few grains there. I would purposely wait for symptoms of withdrawal to return and manifest briefly before taking a dose to alleviate them. It made sense to me intuitively that this would encourage the system to change by exposing it to the stimulus of withdrawal. I was able to go longer and longer periods of time before needing to dose again. To dose only once a day in the morning would not allow me to prevent a withdrawal syndrome from appearing by evening. I simply dosed whenever I needed to. I kind of did it by "feel". I know that I am susceptible to Effexor discontinuation withdrawal syndrome because I had to experience it several times prior to my using this flexible dosing schedule. I find that I can now get off of Ativan and Paxil the same way when necessary. I would like to think that this method of discontinuation would work for everyone, but I guess that is just wishful thinking. What you and some others describe as long-term residual effects of Effexor is scary. I don't know if a flexible dosing taper would prevent it.
- Scott
Posted by omi1 on May 3, 2004, at 12:49:48
In reply to Does it ever end? When?, posted by seeknsolace on April 30, 2004, at 5:33:17
I have been on and off effexor several times. I find coming off it to be like having a flu for a couple weeks-- nothing compared to the psychological agony of depression. Thats just my experience, which I thought I should add to the debate.
Posted by chemist on May 3, 2004, at 13:20:19
In reply to Re: please be civil » chemist, posted by seeknsolace on May 3, 2004, at 6:01:27
> hey chemist, just seeing if you're doing alright, your posting time was 3 something am. I'm not sure what time zone your in or what time zone this board is set for. Seeing the time reminded me of the good old days of NOT SLEEPING. Before I knew I was bipolar/depressed.. just a few yrs ago. I had insomnia for 2 freakin yrs. I would wake every 15 mins to half hour, fully awake and alert. And that was waking to panick attacks and crying bouts, just to wear myself out then would go back to sleep.. fun times I tell ya! I didnt know that I was so ill, I thought it was just me.. how I am, tho I woke in tears with cause.. heartache.. (dam men!) I do know the heartache only manifested the root of the problem.
>
> I went thru therapy to learn to sleep, to learn to love myself enough to relax and allow myself to sleep.. just took alot of strength to do this. Now, even still being bipolar, I dont suffer any more from insomnia. I look at the clock and tell myself I'm gonna sleep because I dont wanna feel like crap.. feel like I once felt. I dont know where your at, but hope you can get something out of this. Most of the time, I cant even stay awake during a nine o'clock movie!
>
> Today is day 2 of being on 5-htp, woke with more mental clarity, still sick tho.. took some otc medicine last night, use to cause me to go into anxiety mode, but it didnt, so maybe getting better.
>
> If I'm annoying anyone with writing too much.. good, I'm just gonna write even more! ;) I am a woman after all :Phey, thanks for checking! i am a bit of a nightcrawler, my work schedule (consulting) allows me to sleep late and stay up late....getting a full night's worth of sleep - although i have not been so fortunate in the past - but aside from the not-to-healthy offset of my ``day,'' things are just fine.....again, i appreciate you checking in! all the best, chemist
Posted by annesand on May 3, 2004, at 14:29:11
In reply to Re: Does it ever end? When?, posted by omi1 on May 3, 2004, at 12:49:48
Wonder when I'll stop being so irritable. Or maybe this is just the real me!
Posted by seeknsolace on May 3, 2004, at 15:59:48
In reply to Re: relative efficacy of Effexor to the SSRIs » TanyaJean, posted by SLS on May 3, 2004, at 10:09:27
> Hi TJ.
>
> > Scott, are you a student or psychologist or teacher? I missed it if you've ever said.
>
> Car salesman. :-)
>
> That sounds so funny, but it's true. I was a straight A student through my sophomore year of college, where I was working on a biology major. At that point I could no longer read, learn, and remember. I had to quit. After that, I floundered from job to job. Not pretty, but not unique. There are so many stories like that here. I had such a passion for medicine. I had to give up on that calling once I realized that even if I were brought into remission, medication breakthrough relapse was almost a certainty with the stresses of medical school and internship. I couldn't afford to take that chance.
>
> I don't know how to account for the difficult time you had coming off of Effexor. It reminds me of what it felt like to discontinue Klonopin. But even that did not involve residual symptoms beyond one week. To come off of Effexor, I dosed myself as many times during the day as was necessary to stave off withdrawal symptoms. I would swallow a few grains here and a few grains there. I would purposely wait for symptoms of withdrawal to return and manifest briefly before taking a dose to alleviate them. It made sense to me intuitively that this would encourage the system to change by exposing it to the stimulus of withdrawal. I was able to go longer and longer periods of time before needing to dose again. To dose only once a day in the morning would not allow me to prevent a withdrawal syndrome from appearing by evening. I simply dosed whenever I needed to. I kind of did it by "feel". I know that I am susceptible to Effexor discontinuation withdrawal syndrome because I had to experience it several times prior to my using this flexible dosing schedule. I find that I can now get off of Ativan and Paxil the same way when necessary. I would like to think that this method of discontinuation would work for everyone, but I guess that is just wishful thinking. What you and some others describe as long-term residual effects of Effexor is scary. I don't know if a flexible dosing taper would prevent it.
>
>
> - ScottScott, I like car salesmen btw! :) What make/model cars do you sell (plz say imports!!) Hey you wanna buy my car and get me in something new?? What are pals for?? :)
Posted by seeknsolace on May 3, 2004, at 16:01:59
In reply to Re: please be civil » seeknsolace, posted by chemist on May 3, 2004, at 13:20:19
So your a computer nerd, I like nerds, provided youre a male :P Glad to hear your doing well!
> > hey chemist, just seeing if you're doing alright, your posting time was 3 something am. I'm not sure what time zone your in or what time zone this board is set for. Seeing the time reminded me of the good old days of NOT SLEEPING. Before I knew I was bipolar/depressed.. just a few yrs ago. I had insomnia for 2 freakin yrs. I would wake every 15 mins to half hour, fully awake and alert. And that was waking to panick attacks and crying bouts, just to wear myself out then would go back to sleep.. fun times I tell ya! I didnt know that I was so ill, I thought it was just me.. how I am, tho I woke in tears with cause.. heartache.. (dam men!) I do know the heartache only manifested the root of the problem.
> >
> > I went thru therapy to learn to sleep, to learn to love myself enough to relax and allow myself to sleep.. just took alot of strength to do this. Now, even still being bipolar, I dont suffer any more from insomnia. I look at the clock and tell myself I'm gonna sleep because I dont wanna feel like crap.. feel like I once felt. I dont know where your at, but hope you can get something out of this. Most of the time, I cant even stay awake during a nine o'clock movie!
> >
> > Today is day 2 of being on 5-htp, woke with more mental clarity, still sick tho.. took some otc medicine last night, use to cause me to go into anxiety mode, but it didnt, so maybe getting better.
> >
> > If I'm annoying anyone with writing too much.. good, I'm just gonna write even more! ;) I am a woman after all :P
>
> hey, thanks for checking! i am a bit of a nightcrawler, my work schedule (consulting) allows me to sleep late and stay up late....getting a full night's worth of sleep - although i have not been so fortunate in the past - but aside from the not-to-healthy offset of my ``day,'' things are just fine.....again, i appreciate you checking in! all the best, chemist
Posted by chemist on May 3, 2004, at 16:14:54
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by seeknsolace on May 3, 2004, at 16:01:59
yes, a male computer nerd, big time! thanks for checking in (and validating nerd-status as cool!)..all the best, chemist
> So your a computer nerd, I like nerds, provided youre a male :P Glad to hear your doing well!
>
> > > hey chemist, just seeing if you're doing alright, your posting time was 3 something am. I'm not sure what time zone your in or what time zone this board is set for. Seeing the time reminded me of the good old days of NOT SLEEPING. Before I knew I was bipolar/depressed.. just a few yrs ago. I had insomnia for 2 freakin yrs. I would wake every 15 mins to half hour, fully awake and alert. And that was waking to panick attacks and crying bouts, just to wear myself out then would go back to sleep.. fun times I tell ya! I didnt know that I was so ill, I thought it was just me.. how I am, tho I woke in tears with cause.. heartache.. (dam men!) I do know the heartache only manifested the root of the problem.
> > >
> > > I went thru therapy to learn to sleep, to learn to love myself enough to relax and allow myself to sleep.. just took alot of strength to do this. Now, even still being bipolar, I dont suffer any more from insomnia. I look at the clock and tell myself I'm gonna sleep because I dont wanna feel like crap.. feel like I once felt. I dont know where your at, but hope you can get something out of this. Most of the time, I cant even stay awake during a nine o'clock movie!
> > >
> > > Today is day 2 of being on 5-htp, woke with more mental clarity, still sick tho.. took some otc medicine last night, use to cause me to go into anxiety mode, but it didnt, so maybe getting better.
> > >
> > > If I'm annoying anyone with writing too much.. good, I'm just gonna write even more! ;) I am a woman after all :P
> >
> > hey, thanks for checking! i am a bit of a nightcrawler, my work schedule (consulting) allows me to sleep late and stay up late....getting a full night's worth of sleep - although i have not been so fortunate in the past - but aside from the not-to-healthy offset of my ``day,'' things are just fine.....again, i appreciate you checking in! all the best, chemist
>
>
Posted by Morgaine on May 3, 2004, at 17:59:01
In reply to Re: TELL OPRAH YOU HATE EFFEXOR, posted by Camille Dumont on April 29, 2004, at 13:08:42
> If this were to push for better information, I would jump in but trashing a medication because it doesn't work for you or some people have bad side effects is like saying that the forecast guy on tv is always wrong ... which is not true but you tend to remember teh times that he is wrong more than the 97% of the time when he is right.
>
> Effexor needs more info on quitting side effects but its still a good medication ... its just not for everybody.
>
> Without it, I would probably be 6 feet under right now.Me too. I think generalizing the effect of effexor like this is very
irresponsible, as everyone's individual chemistry's
is just that 'individual'. For me personally, it has saved my life twice. I went off
of it for 6 months, reducing my dosage gradually, then seamlessly thbegan on Welbutrin
sr, then the new one and had a harrowing experience with that, severe all over body rash/itch, dizziness,
nausea and agitation, so of course I went off of them. I'm not trashing Welbutrin though because my experience with it was less
than positive, it just wasn't right for my chemistry. After 4 months of not being on anything except my trazodone for sleep, I had a relapse
of my clinical depression and put myself back on effexor on March twenty-ninth. I am only taking 75mgs and
don't feel the need to increase the dosage. I only know that after only 7 days I really could feel how it was helping
me cope with day to day living. If it's true that because I suffer from clinical depression I may have to
be on something most of the time anyway, this could be part proof. It
helped me before the first time and is doing it again a second.
Making glittering generalities about anything does a great disservice to the
'inquiring minds that want to know'. Peace
Posted by seeknsolace on May 3, 2004, at 18:28:05
In reply to Re: Does it ever end? When?, posted by omi1 on May 3, 2004, at 12:49:48
> I have been on and off effexor several times. I find coming off it to be like having a flu for a couple weeks-- nothing compared to the psychological agony of depression. Thats just my experience, which I thought I should add to the debate.
Good point. Depression is the reality of our existance, being drugged makes life surreal, yet it is real, but when the drug is taken away, we return to our core being.. but the hope is that maybe somewhere along the way, we learn to fight, be strong, have strength, have peace and laugh, understanding the essence of the life given to us, and find some goodness and joy from the fruit that it bares, with the aid of medication and even without.
We all are in different seasons, some are just beginning, others are weathered and worn but yet have the strength of their experience and learn to turn it to joy and peace. The longer we go on this road, the closer we come to understanding whats been handed to us, for some it brings joy, for others sorrow, but even in sorrow there does no need to be in despair, it's only that we are arriving, embracing the uniqueness of our life. Just another step closer in becoming aware of who we are.. which brings freedom, a release, that we may continue on yet another day.
Posted by harryp on May 4, 2004, at 3:36:08
In reply to Effexor XR Story and my opinion 25 F mother of 1, posted by Sinaminika on March 23, 2004, at 10:57:49
I'm very sad to hear about your awful experience.
This has been posted before, but I wanted to let withdrawal sufferers know that fluoxetine (Prozac) is commonly prescribed to relieve the symptoms of going off Effexor.
The great thing is that fluoxetine is generic now, so it should be much, much cheaper than Effexor. (And in my opinion, fluoxetine is still the best SSRI)
You can get specific advice on using Prozac for withdrawal in the archives, or better yet, find a psychiatrist who has experience getting people off Effexor.
Posted by harryp on May 4, 2004, at 3:52:01
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Posted by Zarry on May 4, 2004, at 8:52:13
In reply to Re: 4 weeks since Effexor, posted by Vasterling on January 20, 2004, at 11:33:42
Vasterling,
Your post sounds like it would be something that I would type - the lack of emotions and then getting off, here comes all the emotions. The biggest problem I'm having with my marriage is that my husband can't handle my mood swings and I can't deal with his changing back and forth with statements he makes - it's like he's throwing in a wrench into the cog while I'm trying to cope with a regular marriage.
Posted by annesand on May 4, 2004, at 9:10:50
In reply to Re: 4 weeks since Effexor, posted by Zarry on May 4, 2004, at 8:52:13
Amen to that, Zarry. Today in the car on the way to work, my mood was swinging like a monkey. It varied with the tempo of the music I was listening to. Happy finger-snapping during "It's a Beautiful Day," sobbing during "Stay," and everything in between. And all during the same U2 CD! But I would rather feel my feelings than be in that gray, flat Effexor place. I would rather deal with reality than have it muted for me. Hang in there.
Posted by PoohBear on May 4, 2004, at 10:12:27
In reply to Re: 4 weeks since Effexor, posted by annesand on May 4, 2004, at 9:10:50
It's good to see some responsible posts to the "Oprah" rant and rave...
I have had an overall good experience with Effexor; not perfect, but good. Considering some of what has been written here:
1. Lack of emotion? I have ALL of my emotions with Effexor. I can laugh and I can fully empathize with others. What I DON'T have is the terrible LOWS I had with my depression, when nearly anything sad could bring me to the point of tears. I'm a guy and not afraid to cry, but really...
2. Sleep? Effexor DOES "effect" my sleep in a negative way, but my pDoc and I are still trying to come up with the right med that can help with that. It may end up being something as simple as melatonin or valerian...
3. Side effects? Most of the side effects I experienced have gone away completely or moderated with time. I still have shaking hands, but I've always had that... The sexual side effects have also gone away: no more anorgasmia. For some reason my glans (the head of the penis) is more sensitive now and my orgasms are much more intense. That's a good thing for a 47 year-old ;)
4. Withdrawal. What can I say? I haven't experienced this yet, but plan on continuing some sort of drug therapy for the rest of my life. I worry about missing a dose of Effexor, but try to be aware and methodical about taking it: ie, develop the habit of taking it at the same time every day in the same routine.
I don't deny that SOME have had a bad experience with getting off this POWERFUL medication, AND I will NOT deny that many doctors give the stuff out because a pharmacutical rep told them it was the latest wonder drug and they haven't researched the side effects.
NEVERTHELESS...
This drug has saved many, many lives. Even though I don't believe I was personally in danger of suicide, I still had suicidal thoughts continually and Effexor has given me back my LIFE, and most importantly: control of my own mind.
I keep posting because there is a preponderance of negative input regarding Effexor on these boards and not enough positive. However, I participate on MANY bulletin boards and this one is no different: most of the time, it'll be the negative aspects of whatever that gets the most posts.
There.
Tony
Posted by TanyaJean on May 4, 2004, at 11:29:03
In reply to Re: relative efficacy of Effexor to the SSRIs » TanyaJean, posted by SLS on May 3, 2004, at 10:09:27
"Car salesman. :-)
>
> That sounds so funny, but it's true. I was a straight A student through my sophomore year of college, where I was working on a biology major. At that point I could no longer read, learn, and remember. I had to quit."
That would be hard to have to quit. I'm worried about going back to school that I won't be able to read, learn and rememeber.I don't know that flexible dose tapering would work. I know exactly what you mean about going by "feel". I kept minimizing and minimizing until I was off totally....didnt' do it exactly like you did though. It seems like it would do this to me no matter what.
Yesterday, went to the doctor to have them give me a shot of phenagran (<--sp?) to help me stop vomiting. Was fine the previous day, then the next I got up and just kept getting sick (No pregnancy). It seems so unlikely that the Effexor withdrawal-like symptoms would be going out close to 6 weeks, but I don't know what else would be causing it. I feel the same as I did when I was going on week 2 off EFFEXOR. Anytime I stopped EFFEXOR I felt this type of lousy.
Nothing else is going on with me aside from being off EFFEXOR. That is the only change.
Don't know. Shouldn't totally blame the EFFEXOR, I just assume it's that because since I've been off, I've felt lousy.
Posted by Morgaine on May 4, 2004, at 14:20:40
In reply to Happy with Effexor, posted by PoohBear on May 4, 2004, at 10:12:27
> It's good to see some responsible posts to the "Oprah" rant and rave...
>
> I have had an overall good experience with Effexor; not perfect, but good. Considering some of what has been written here:
>
> 1. Lack of emotion? I have ALL of my emotions with Effexor. I can laugh and I can fully empathize with others. What I DON'T have is the terrible LOWS I had with my depression, when nearly anything sad could bring me to the point of tears. I'm a guy and not afraid to cry, but really...
>
> 2. Sleep? Effexor DOES "effect" my sleep in a negative way, but my pDoc and I are still trying to come up with the right med that can help with that. It may end up being something as simple as melatonin or valerian...
>
> 3. Side effects? Most of the side effects I experienced have gone away completely or moderated with time. I still have shaking hands, but I've always had that... The sexual side effects have also gone away: no more anorgasmia. For some reason my glans (the head of the penis) is more sensitive now and my orgasms are much more intense. That's a good thing for a 47 year-old ;)
>
> 4. Withdrawal. What can I say? I haven't experienced this yet, but plan on continuing some sort of drug therapy for the rest of my life. I worry about missing a dose of Effexor, but try to be aware and methodical about taking it: ie, develop the habit of taking it at the same time every day in the same routine.
>
> I don't deny that SOME have had a bad experience with getting off this POWERFUL medication, AND I will NOT deny that many doctors give the stuff out because a pharmacutical rep told them it was the latest wonder drug and they haven't researched the side effects.
>
> NEVERTHELESS...
>
> This drug has saved many, many lives. Even though I don't believe I was personally in danger of suicide, I still had suicidal thoughts continually and Effexor has given me back my LIFE, and most importantly: control of my own mind.
>
> I keep posting because there is a preponderance of negative input regarding Effexor on these boards and not enough positive. However, I participate on MANY bulletin boards and this one is no different: most of the time, it'll be the negative aspects of whatever that gets the most posts.
>
> There.
>
> TonyHi Tony, Yeah why is it too often the negative info
that gets the most press? Re: Sleeping, my advice is to try Trazodone.
It is the most amazing, subtle, yet super effective drug I have ever
used. It is completely non-addictive (not a barbiturate)
has no side effects and you wake up refreshed + I
don't know if it's just me, but I remember my dreams
more easily, which is really important to me. It is technically
under the category of an anti-depressant, though I don't know why
since within 1/2 an hour you are drowsy and ready for dreamland.
I would suggest starting with 50mgs. and if one isn't strong enough
do 2. I take 100mgs now, though sometimes I end up
splitting it and only taking 50, depends on how wired I feel.
I used to take melatonin and it does work, however, since it is a
hormone and I have found no definitive info out there
re its long term effects, I don't feel comfortable
using it anymore. Valerian capsules take too long for me, so I don't
do those anymore and the tea tastes plain old yuck.
If you want to go totally organic on this though,taking 400mgs of
Magnesium every night about 1/2 hour before bed works too.
It relaxes the muscles and helps synthesize your calcium intake too.
Take care, very happy you are doing well. I too still have my emotions,
big time, but like you I just don't have those super dark suicidal
thoughts and paralysing sadness that I had without
the effexor. Morgaine
Posted by TanyaJean on May 4, 2004, at 17:08:22
In reply to Re: Happy with Effexor, posted by Morgaine on May 4, 2004, at 14:20:40
"I don't deny that SOME have had a bad experience with getting off this POWERFUL medication, AND I will NOT deny that many doctors give the stuff out because a pharmacutical rep told them it was the latest wonder drug and they haven't researched the side effects. "
Think this was the case with my internal med doctor. Instead of a pharmacutical rep, it was an affiliated mental health clinic. The head psychiatrist would come and speak with them once a month. It gives them an overview, but again I think it's not something they should just be handing out.
Posted by Pianobeth on May 5, 2004, at 0:54:02
In reply to Vitamins, Herbs, Success, posted by Marjean on April 9, 2004, at 11:53:22
HELP!!!! I am going off effexor...have been totally free of it for 6 days...I'm screaming at my kids, crying alot, really, really tired...using benedryl to help counter the head zaps and other wierd feelings removing effexor from my body generates....will this get better? would taking St. John's wort help? can anyone give me hope that this will end soon....? Thanks.
Posted by chemist on May 5, 2004, at 1:00:35
In reply to Re: Vitamins, Herbs, Success » Marjean, posted by Pianobeth on May 5, 2004, at 0:54:02
> HELP!!!! I am going off effexor...have been totally free of it for 6 days...I'm screaming at my kids, crying alot, really, really tired...using benedryl to help counter the head zaps and other wierd feelings removing effexor from my body generates....will this get better? would taking St. John's wort help? can anyone give me hope that this will end soon....? Thanks.
hi marjean, chemist here.....make sure your benedryl is free of pseudoephedrine and is pure (active ingredient) diphenhydramine. don't go with st. john's wort, too many questions still unanswered on that....if you are predisposed to herbal remedies, try valerian or kava kava, but equal precaution as with st. john's wort...yes, it will end soon....your brain needs to readjust to being without the effexor....give it some time, stay calm, and back off on caffeine/nicotine (if used) in the immediate future. you will be fine! with warmest wishes, chemist
Posted by Morgaine on May 5, 2004, at 1:44:39
In reply to Re: Happy with Effexor » Morgaine, posted by TanyaJean on May 4, 2004, at 17:08:22
> "I don't deny that SOME have had a bad experience with getting off this POWERFUL medication, AND I will NOT deny that many doctors give the stuff out because a pharmacutical rep told them it was the latest wonder drug and they haven't researched the side effects. "
>
> Think this was the case with my internal med doctor. Instead of a pharmacutical rep, it was an affiliated mental health clinic. The head psychiatrist would come and speak with them once a month. It gives them an overview, but again I think it's not something they should just be handing out.Nothing like a little common sense people, just taper off very slowly,
daily. I believe that between now and mid July there will be
laws ready to get placed that will make the prescribing
physician responsible for explaining the withdrawl process.
I suppose the reason this does not happen now is because the patient
is just getting started on something hopefull, so why talk about
when they should stop it? I still feel that some folks
just do not want to take responsibility for their choices.
Why even agree to start something and do it, if you're
really doubtful about it and ready to blame should
it less than meet your expectations? 'Nuf sed
Posted by Morgaine on May 5, 2004, at 1:52:43
In reply to Re: Vitamins, Herbs, Success » Marjean, posted by Pianobeth on May 5, 2004, at 0:54:02
> HELP!!!! I am going off effexor...have been totally free of it for 6 days...I'm screaming at my kids, crying alot, really, really tired...using benedryl to help counter the head zaps and other wierd feelings removing effexor from my body generates....will this get better? would taking St. John's wort help? can anyone give me hope that this will end soon....? Thanks.
How are you going off of it? Extremely 'GRADUALLY"
right? If not, this is why you are suffering so extremely.
If you were up to the highest dosage, you begin by removing one pill
each day for a week, then the next week you do the same and so on
and so on, 'til you are down to none, all done 'GRADUALLY'.
What you are going through 'This too shall pass'.
Posted by seeknsolace on May 5, 2004, at 4:41:21
In reply to Re: Vitamins, Herbs, Success, posted by Morgaine on May 5, 2004, at 1:52:43
> > HELP!!!! I am going off effexor...have been totally free of it for 6 days...I'm screaming at my kids, crying alot, really, really tired...using benedryl to help counter the head zaps and other wierd feelings removing effexor from my body generates....will this get better? would taking St. John's wort help? can anyone give me hope that this will end soon....? Thanks.
>
> How are you going off of it? Extremely 'GRADUALLY"
> right? If not, this is why you are suffering so extremely.
> If you were up to the highest dosage, you begin by removing one pill
> each day for a week, then the next week you do the same and so on
> and so on, 'til you are down to none, all done 'GRADUALLY'.
> What you are going through 'This too shall pass'.Yep, what tanya and chemist said. Even tho I came off slowly.. reducing for 2 weeks, til there was nothing left to reduce to, I still was quite ill, but knowing I would be, I got on 10 mgs of prozac for ten days.. after stopping effexor.. to help with the withdrawals, it did help and there was no ill effects from having both in my system. Felt sick again after the prozac but it was tolerable. Been on 5-htp for 4 days now, I feel signifigantly better, but then too been drugged up on cold medicine, but as I said before, any symptoms of withdrawal, if they are still there, are masked by my cold I been having for the last few days. Been off effexor for something like 3 wks and counting, doing much better then day one.
It does get better, but you have to understand you, just as your body had to adapt to taking effexor, now it has to adapt to not having it.. hence messing with the chemical balances in your brain.. effecting how you feel physically and emotionally.. it will come back into balance.
Dont feel bad for yelling at your kids, just try to explain to them "mommy doesnt feel well." or if theyre older, try to tell them whats going on and either way, let them know you need them to help you, by being more responsible, behaving.. etc.
I'm not real clear on this and some of you may disagree, but I suggest trying to take 5-htp for 2 maybe 3 days, and see how you react to it. I take one 50 mg tablet just prior to bed.. I really believe its helping. From what I understand, its a natural seratonin.. not quite sure what that means, but it comes from a plant like st johns. St johns has done very minimal for me in the past. If you have a bad reaction after a couple days, then stop taking it. Its cheap and might be worth a try.
Posted by Pianobeth on May 5, 2004, at 6:45:18
In reply to Re: Vitamins, Herbs, Success, posted by seeknsolace on May 5, 2004, at 4:41:21
> > > HELP!!!! I am going off effexor...have been totally free of it for 6 days...I'm screaming at my kids, crying alot, really, really tired...using benedryl to help counter the head zaps and other wierd feelings removing effexor from my body generates....will this get better? would taking St. John's wort help? can anyone give me hope that this will end soon....? Thanks.
> >
> > How are you going off of it? Extremely 'GRADUALLY"
> > right? If not, this is why you are suffering so extremely.
> > If you were up to the highest dosage, you begin by removing one pill
> > each day for a week, then the next week you do the same and so on
> > and so on, 'til you are down to none, all done 'GRADUALLY'.
> > What you are going through 'This too shall pass'.
>
> Yep, what tanya and chemist said. Even tho I came off slowly.. reducing for 2 weeks, til there was nothing left to reduce to, I still was quite ill, but knowing I would be, I got on 10 mgs of prozac for ten days.. after stopping effexor.. to help with the withdrawals, it did help and there was no ill effects from having both in my system. Felt sick again after the prozac but it was tolerable. Been on 5-htp for 4 days now, I feel signifigantly better, but then too been drugged up on cold medicine, but as I said before, any symptoms of withdrawal, if they are still there, are masked by my cold I been having for the last few days. Been off effexor for something like 3 wks and counting, doing much better then day one.
>
> It does get better, but you have to understand you, just as your body had to adapt to taking effexor, now it has to adapt to not having it.. hence messing with the chemical balances in your brain.. effecting how you feel physically and emotionally.. it will come back into balance.
>
> Dont feel bad for yelling at your kids, just try to explain to them "mommy doesnt feel well." or if theyre older, try to tell them whats going on and either way, let them know you need them to help you, by being more responsible, behaving.. etc.
>
> I'm not real clear on this and some of you may disagree, but I suggest trying to take 5-htp for 2 maybe 3 days, and see how you react to it. I take one 50 mg tablet just prior to bed.. I really believe its helping. From what I understand, its a natural seratonin.. not quite sure what that means, but it comes from a plant like st johns. St johns has done very minimal for me in the past. If you have a bad reaction after a couple days, then stop taking it. Its cheap and might be worth a try.
>
>
Thanks all! Pianobeth here. Yep, I went off Effexor slowly from 150 mg to 75 to 37.5 to 18.75 to eyeballing the little dots (half of 18.75) to nothing over the course of 10 days.
It's probably not helping that my husband's job has been outsourced (shipped to India via IBM)and finances are tight...and at 2a.m. everything looks pretty hopeless....but now, this a.m. it is sunny, warm, I plan to take a walk with my kids...
I realize I am getting back in touch with my true, drug free, self...and it takes time. I do keep reminding myself "This too, shall pass"
Have a great day. By the way, I'm reading a great book called "Undoing Depression" I'd recommend it.
Posted by TanyaJean on May 5, 2004, at 13:31:27
In reply to Re: Happy with Effexor, posted by Morgaine on May 5, 2004, at 1:44:39
>
> Nothing like a little common sense people, just taper off very slowly,
> daily. I believe that between now and mid July there will be
> laws ready to get placed that will make the prescribing
> physician responsible for explaining the withdrawl process.
> I suppose the reason this does not happen now is because the patient
> is just getting started on something hopefull, so why talk about
> when they should stop it? I still feel that some folks
> just do not want to take responsibility for their choices.
> Why even agree to start something and do it, if you're
> really doubtful about it and ready to blame should
> it less than meet your expectations? 'Nuf sed
Well, can't speak for anyone else, but you know, I didn't have doubts about EFFEXOR because I had been on other anti-depressants and really thought this was another in the long line of them. How are we to know unless we experience it?Sure, NOW those of us who had bad reactions know, but there was no way for us to know then.
And yes, I did taper off SLOWLY. 4 total months of slowly tapering off EFFEXOR, little by little.
It's pretty difficult for me to sit around and tell people they should take responsibility and feel smug, especially since a lot of us had no clue this was going to happen to us.
Trust me, had I had any idea, I would never have touched it.
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