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Re: Discontinuation Syndrome

Posted by Markku on April 13, 2004, at 1:14:52

In reply to Re: Discontinuation Syndrome Markku, posted by feverhawk on April 10, 2004, at 14:08:56

> Can't tell you how much I appreciate that link :O) I've been in the hospital for two weeks and went from 225 mg of Effexor to NONE over a five day span.


Glad it helped. I hope you're feeling better soon. It's been a little over a week since I quit now. I'm feeling a lot better now. I have been taking choline and lecithin twice a day, but don't know if it has any effect because improvements are gradual. If you get to the point where moving around doesn't make you ill, I really recommend mild exercise (if possible), or just doing something outside to keep your mind off things (for me it was planting vegetables in my garden). Anything to keep you from dwelling on the depressing thought of how long the symptoms will last.

I have an appointment with my doctor tomorrow to get a prescription for something else, in case my panic attacks come back. But I don't like the side effects of any of the drugs I'm reading about. Starting with the worst one first though, I think I'll do my own research before taking the next one I'm prescribed.

 

Re: Discontinuation Syndrome

Posted by jpmjcem on April 13, 2004, at 8:00:37

In reply to Re: Discontinuation Syndrome, posted by Markku on April 13, 2004, at 1:14:52

> > Can't tell you how much I appreciate that link :O) I've been in the hospital for two weeks and went from 225 mg of Effexor to NONE over a five day span.
>
>
> Glad it helped. I hope you're feeling better soon. It's been a little over a week since I quit now. I'm feeling a lot better now. I have been taking choline and lecithin twice a day, but don't know if it has any effect because improvements are gradual. If you get to the point where moving around doesn't make you ill, I really recommend mild exercise (if possible), or just doing something outside to keep your mind off things (for me it was planting vegetables in my garden). Anything to keep you from dwelling on the depressing thought of how long the symptoms will last.
>
> I have an appointment with my doctor tomorrow to get a prescription for something else, in case my panic attacks come back. But I don't like the side effects of any of the drugs I'm reading about. Starting with the worst one first though, I think I'll do my own research before taking the next one I'm prescribed.
>
> I've been off for a week as well..and the emotions are unbelievably bad. I have gotten in two verbal fights within the last few days at the grocery store and then walmart. Anyways... the physcial side effects have finally went away and what helped me was taking BUspar and Klonopin. This has been a godsend and others the emotional side I realize will just take time to gradually go away. This Effexor stuff is a NIGHTMARE- but at least we all have each other to relate to and have support.

 

How long on FXR before withdrawal?

Posted by Seagull_25920 on April 13, 2004, at 9:49:02

In reply to Re: Discontinuation Syndrome, posted by jpmjcem on April 13, 2004, at 8:00:37

Wondering how long people here were on Effexor before going off the meds and experiencing withdrawals and/or brain shivers? I have only been on the med for three or four months, but coming off (tapered from 300mg to 75mg, then cold turkey) has still resulted in symptoms bad enough to keep me from working effectively.

I hear people saying they're still experiencing symptoms years out from quitting, and wondered if these are long-term users or short-term? (amazing how much it sounds like an illegal drug forum / 12-step forum at this point...)

 

Re: How long on FXR before withdrawal? Seagull_25920

Posted by scrawller on April 13, 2004, at 15:11:15

In reply to How long on FXR before withdrawal?, posted by Seagull_25920 on April 13, 2004, at 9:49:02

i was only on effexor for a few months as well. 300 mgs max then to 150 then to 75 then to 37.5 for a week then cold turkey. withdrawal was horrible for a week then slowly got better. i feel okay now. not perfect. not myself. but okay. i can function, i can go to work, and i feel like there's hope.
i still have bouts of crying, i still get angry for no reason, but the brian jolts have subsided dramatically, and i feel a bit more in control. it's been 12 days now since i've completely stopped.

 

Re: Dr says no withdrawal - ha!

Posted by scrawller on April 13, 2004, at 15:20:46

In reply to Re: Dr says no withdrawal - ha! scrawller, posted by jiggitykid on April 6, 2004, at 12:19:26

thanks.
i'm at day 12 now. feeling more myself. not quite yet, but more. have a new psych. ended up at my regular doctor's office with the confirmation that it was most likely withdrawal and that i was coming off it way too soon. ended up upping clonapin in the evenings so that i could sit still, but basically fumbling and crying my way through a week.
in the end, i don't think effexor (or any type of seratonin effecting drug is best for me). that's why i went off of it. i'm bipolar, not depressed, and at this point, don't really need an antidepressent in my mix; a mood stabilizer alone should work. coming off of effexor has been horrible for me, especially after being told by my psych that what i was feeling was not withdrawal. i felt like i really was losing my mind for no reason. more than once i thought i was going to end up in the hospital.
but, 12 days later (i feel like an alcoholic!) i feel okay. i understand that effexor works for some people, it just didn't for me. and it angers me more that i wasn't warned how difficult it would be to discontinue use. my primary care physician said that coming off of effexor can be as hard as coming off of paxil for a lot of patients, and that really just scares me.
anyway, i think i'm over the hump. for those of you in the midst of it. hang in there. for those of you who effexor is working for, i'm glad you've been lucky enough to find something. for those of you still looking, just be sure to ask all the questions that you need answered before starting a new med, and evaluate what's important to you. remember that all our bodies work different - and just because something didn't work for someone else doesn't mean it won't work for you.

 

effexor withdrawal

Posted by BitchChick on April 15, 2004, at 8:52:49

In reply to effexor withdrawal, posted by djsarah on February 20, 2004, at 10:15:03

Hey, I have a few questions for you guys, I'm hoping to get some opinions. A few years ago I was diagnosed with Agoraphobia/Mild Social Anxiety/Mild depression and was put on Prozac for 2 years at 80mg. Everything was good during that time with no side affects but the Prozac started losing effectiveness so I tapered myself off of it. I was put on Effexor XR at 35mg I think it was. This was about 6 months ago. I started getting depressed and I knew it was from the Effexor so I went to see my doctor and he told me I just need my dosage upped. At 75mg I was getting more depressed, my anxiety was gone but I couldn't handle the depression so I stopped taking it. I got worse, so I went to see another dr. and she told me that I shouldn't have stopped taking it that I just needed my dosage upped more. I'm currently at 225mg and I went to see her again because of the bad side affects I have. Severe depression, suidical thoughts (just thoughts, i would never act on it cuz I have a son) My fingers are always falling asleep on me, body jerks, nightmares (my r/m says i scream in my sleep often), confusion, and what some of you have described as "brain shivers", but it's the moods that bother me the most. I cry for no reason, I can be watching a tv show (and laugh at the funny parts), and I will cry during the commercials. I freak out with anger outbursts often as well. So, I went back to my dr. and told her that I want off of this medication that I am way too depressed, I even cried to her that I need something else cuz when I tapered off it before things were worse, and I need something to help me through that. She told me that she doesn't think it's the effexor and thinks it's best for me to see a psychiatrist and he will handle it, and to keep taking it until the 26th when I see him. I know a lot of you had bad withdrawal from this med, but has anyone experienced this when taking it? Also, I would like to hear about other drugs that have had possitive effects when switching from effexor. I think I need to do some research on my own and hear some opinions from ppl who have taken certain drugs so I know what to ask for and know what I'm getting into before I accept anything a dr. gives me again. I also realize that drugs affect ppl differently but personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to email me at bchick22@hotmail.com I'm also glad I found this site cuz for a while I was thinking it was just me going crazy, now I know for sure this is just a bad medication.
Opinions greatly appreciated
bchick22@hotmail.com

 

Re: effexor withdrawal BitchChick

Posted by jiggitykid on April 15, 2004, at 8:58:54

In reply to effexor withdrawal, posted by BitchChick on April 15, 2004, at 8:52:49

Sounds to me like you need a new doctor, and that this doc needs educating FAST. She needs to be referred to this site and given stacks of the testimonies here of how Effexor really works. You aren't crazy and you aren't alone. Look for a better doc, 'cause this one isn't up to speed on this drug. Hang in there. I suggest you do a lot of reading through the archives here about this drug so you can decide your best move. Again, you need a doctor who knows Effexor and understands it.


> Hey, I have a few questions for you guys, I'm hoping to get some opinions. A few years ago I was diagnosed with Agoraphobia/Mild Social Anxiety/Mild depression and was put on Prozac for 2 years at 80mg. Everything was good during that time with no side affects but the Prozac started losing effectiveness so I tapered myself off of it. I was put on Effexor XR at 35mg I think it was. This was about 6 months ago. I started getting depressed and I knew it was from the Effexor so I went to see my doctor and he told me I just need my dosage upped. At 75mg I was getting more depressed, my anxiety was gone but I couldn't handle the depression so I stopped taking it. I got worse, so I went to see another dr. and she told me that I shouldn't have stopped taking it that I just needed my dosage upped more. I'm currently at 225mg and I went to see her again because of the bad side affects I have. Severe depression, suidical thoughts (just thoughts, i would never act on it cuz I have a son) My fingers are always falling asleep on me, body jerks, nightmares (my r/m says i scream in my sleep often), confusion, and what some of you have described as "brain shivers", but it's the moods that bother me the most. I cry for no reason, I can be watching a tv show (and laugh at the funny parts), and I will cry during the commercials. I freak out with anger outbursts often as well. So, I went back to my dr. and told her that I want off of this medication that I am way too depressed, I even cried to her that I need something else cuz when I tapered off it before things were worse, and I need something to help me through that. She told me that she doesn't think it's the effexor and thinks it's best for me to see a psychiatrist and he will handle it, and to keep taking it until the 26th when I see him. I know a lot of you had bad withdrawal from this med, but has anyone experienced this when taking it? Also, I would like to hear about other drugs that have had possitive effects when switching from effexor. I think I need to do some research on my own and hear some opinions from ppl who have taken certain drugs so I know what to ask for and know what I'm getting into before I accept anything a dr. gives me again. I also realize that drugs affect ppl differently but personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to email me at bchick22@hotmail.com I'm also glad I found this site cuz for a while I was thinking it was just me going crazy, now I know for sure this is just a bad medication.
> Opinions greatly appreciated
> bchick22@hotmail.com

 

Post-w/d psych symptoms.....pls help!

Posted by Laurajean on April 15, 2004, at 21:31:14

In reply to effexor withdrawal, posted by BitchChick on April 15, 2004, at 8:52:49

Hi everyone,
First, thanks for that link, whoever posted it. : ) This turned out long....please hang in there til the end of it!

I am on probably the second or third week since stopping Effexor XR (300mg) after a two month taper. The physical symptoms are lessening--not gone, but better....thank goodness.

However, I would say I am experiencing some pretty intense depressive symptoms....I have crying jags frequently, irritability, and yes, self-harming and suicidal thoughts (nothing I would act on), hopelessness, etc. I was on effexor xr for probably four years, and on other meds before that for ten years. When I made the decision to taper off, it was because I have been absolutely symptom free for at least three years....and I saw no reason to stay on psychotropic meds w/o at least trying to go it alone. Keep in mind I've been on some form of meds since I was fourteen (i'm 28 now). I have largely recovered from anything diagnosable, and had no symptoms of depression, OCD, PTSD, etc. for years.

I am freaking out that I am relapsing into those disorders again ("going crazy"), although to be honest, I don't know what it would feel like, as it's been years since I've had any symptoms like that. I was only ON meds b/c I never bothered to come off and had no pdoc who wanted to try it w/me.

Is there an expected period of depression or other symptoms post-AD that isn't a true depressive episode? I know obviously I need to go back to the psychiatrist, but to be honest, if I list the symptoms I've been having, he's going to write out a script (or two or three) for other drugs, and I was doing SO well for years...I'm not convinced it's NOT just w/d, but I've definitely been caught off guard by all of this. I had no idea I would feel like this emotionally from coming off, and at teh same time, I figure my system has been medicated for some fourteen years, many of which I was heavily drugged, and so there may be a period of adjustment.

I have worked so hard in therapy to overcome the root of my disorders (trauma), and I have been doing well for so long, I just really thought I would be fine w/o meds. It's debatable according to my current therapists that I ever really needed them when I was 14, 15, etc. I never experienced any significant help from being on them, but when you're in a hospital system for years it's just what they do.

Anyone else who had psych symptoms as a result of w/d who didn't go back on meds? Or did? I'm not opposed to going back on something if I truly need it, but I would hate to do that too soon. I would feel very much reassured to know this may be a result of withdrawal rather than a true relapse into depression.

thanks for making it to the end of this!

laura

 

Re: Post-w/d psych symptoms.....pls help! Laurajean

Posted by jiggitykid on April 16, 2004, at 7:50:18

In reply to Post-w/d psych symptoms.....pls help!, posted by Laurajean on April 15, 2004, at 21:31:14

>>>Anyone else who had psych symptoms as a result of w/d who didn't go back on meds? Or did? I'm not opposed to going back on something if I truly need it, but I would hate to do that too soon. I would feel very much reassured to know this may be a result of withdrawal rather than a true relapse into depression.<<<

I understand how you feel. First, congrats on making it this long!!!! All of us who have made it through this withdrawal should be congratulated. Next, I felt the same way you did. My doctor "strongly encouraged" me to take Lexapro during the first two months of my Effexor cessation. I couldn't. For me, I needed to know if my symptoms were withdrawal-related or were my depression, and I figured that if I took something else, then I'd not know. For me, it worked out that Effexor was the problem, and after about two months (after my last capsule), my personality began to heal and my "mood" stabilized. Now, each person is different and what worked for me might not be what you need. What helped me keep focused was reminding myself each time I cried or felt really "crazy," that this wasn't me. I had to be inordinately patient with myself (which is unusual for me :-D ). I would encourage you to journal and to keep very close contact with your doctor. I would also encourage you to seek support from family or friends. If you haven't already, you should direct them to this forum, have them read some of the testimonies from the archives, and help them understand that, right now, this is bigger than you. They need to know that you are surviving right now, and that they need to help you monitor your state of mind. Having the support and understanding of my family (especially my husband) made it easier to endure, and then to make the right decision once I had gotten to a place where I felt that the majority of the mood-altering or thought-affecting symptoms had gone. Please, take care of yourself. Your stress, tears, crankiness, etc., are all a "normal" part of this withdrawal. Again, journaling is a good way of keeping tabs on your thoughts. Be careful and be patient. There is a light at the end of this withdrawal tunnel.

 

Questions but no answers

Posted by kananee on April 19, 2004, at 1:15:20

In reply to Re: Post-w/d psych symptoms.....pls help! Laurajean, posted by jiggitykid on April 16, 2004, at 7:50:18

Thanks to each of you for posting your personal experiences with Effexor w/d. I've spent the past few hours reading through the posts, starting with '99, and I'm really grateful for all the info.

This is my second time coming off Effexor -- didn't make it last time. It's a relief to know that the physical and emotional problems I'm experiencing are from the withdrawal. Last time -- less than a year ago -- I figured the emotional problems were because I was "unprotected" (MDD diagnosis). For some reason the physical problems weren't as bad then, and I didn't make the connection with withdrawal

A few of you mentioned IBS-type problems while on Effexor and as part of withdrawal. The main reason I am getting off -- this time for good!! -- is severe gastro-intestinal problems (chronic dysentary, stomach craps, nausea, etc.). But my psydoc is adamant that it can't be the Effexor (based, I guess, on the literature provided by the manufacturer).

My questions are:

(1) Does anybody have an idea how common the severe gastro-intestinal problems are as a side effect?

(2) Any opinions about if this particular problem is attributable to SSRIs/SNRIs (as some of the posts seem to suggest) or to something in the extended release aspect?

(3) My "IBS" problems haven't improved as I've gone down from 300 to 225 to 150 to 75 to 37.5 to 0. I've been at 0 for only 4 days, but still no improvement. I'm wondering now if this could be a permanent side effect from using the drug for 3-4 years.

I welcome any thoughts about or experiences with this particular problem.

 

Re: Questions but no answers

Posted by Laurajean on April 19, 2004, at 10:47:32

In reply to Questions but no answers, posted by kananee on April 19, 2004, at 1:15:20

Hi there,
I'm sorry to hear about your IBS symptoms and the Effexor w/d....good job for making it this far, though!

I am not sure about GI symptoms. I definitely had them coming off, and now thinking of it, I have been pretty messed up since I've been off (three weeks), but I have other chronic illness and so I assumed it was that. Ah, the joy of unspecific physical symptoms. Did the GI symptoms develop on effexor?

I am not sure about permanency, either. (sorry I'm not much help w/any of this, I guess!)..but I would think it might take a while for things to calm down. I have been off three weeks or so and I am still experiencing w/d symptoms, some severe.

It might also be important to rule out another cause for your symptoms....have you seen a GI specialist?

I hope it does improve or that you are able to find the source. I've been literally on every other SSRI out there (aside from newest) and never had GI complications with anything like I have Effexor. I also worry about permanent chnages in my sytem from the Efexor, and frankly, I doubt there is any reseearch at this point to show lasting side-effects.

Hope this helps...at least you know you're not alone!

Hang in there,
Laura

 

Re: Questions but no answers

Posted by Markku on April 20, 2004, at 11:51:28

In reply to Questions but no answers, posted by kananee on April 19, 2004, at 1:15:20

I only had stomach problems for a few days, but maybe that's because I quit cold turkey. Eating pasta and bread seemed to help. But if the symptoms don't go away soon after dropping to 0, you should probably keep seeing the doctor about it.

 

Re: Questions but no answers

Posted by kananee on April 20, 2004, at 21:17:48

In reply to Re: Questions but no answers, posted by Markku on April 20, 2004, at 11:51:28

Thanks, Laura and markku. I'm noticing too that carbs help, and coffee, coca cola and chocolate make it a lot worse -- bad things I love that now just the thought of makes me nauseous!

Has anybody heard about a potential new AD -- perhaps being tested in U.K. -- that's neither an SSRI nor a SNRI but may rely on something called an SP Antagonist? (I have no clue what an SP Antagonist is.)

While searching for info on Effexor side effects and withdrawal symptoms, I saw an abstract for a medical research paper that I couldn't access since I'm not a doc. What interested me was a statement about its (SP Antagonist drug) being used to treat both MDD and IBS.

Laura, a special thanks to you for being such a caring and nurturing person. I had noticed that as I read through the posts, and I am glad to have been a beneficiary of your kindness. I really needed it.

 

Re: Questions but no answers kananee

Posted by jiggitykid on April 21, 2004, at 18:13:27

In reply to Re: Questions but no answers, posted by kananee on April 20, 2004, at 21:17:48

>>> and coffee, coca cola and chocolate make it a lot worse -- bad things I love that now just the thought of makes me nauseous!<<<

For me, it's the caffeine. Decaf coke, etc., doesn't bother me at all. Give me caff, and I'm running to the potty!!

I don't suppose they make decaf chocolate, though, huh ;-(?

 

Re: Questions but no answers

Posted by Keith Talent on April 21, 2004, at 20:21:28

In reply to Re: Questions but no answers kananee, posted by jiggitykid on April 21, 2004, at 18:13:27

I've read here and elsewhere that Effexor is almost identical in structure to tramadol (Ultram), an opioid painkiller. I know that opioids cause constipation, and when opioid-dependent people withdraw (e.g. heroin) they get diarrhoea. Maybe there's something in that?

 

Re: Questions but no answers Keith Talent

Posted by jiggitykid on April 21, 2004, at 21:47:38

In reply to Re: Questions but no answers, posted by Keith Talent on April 21, 2004, at 20:21:28

>>>I've read here and elsewhere that Effexor is almost identical in structure to tramadol (Ultram), an opioid painkiller.<<<

That's interesting. I have a pain disorder (IA and FM) and was prescribed ultram while I was taking effexor. My doctor didn't catch the "do not use if you're taking. . ." warning. Thank goodness I'm my best medical watchdog. I always check out what I'm being given before it ever touches my lips. Now that I'm E-free, I occasionally use Ultram if I am having trouble staying asleep (the pain wakes me up). It's not an outstanding pain killer, but it at least can take the edge off of the pain enough for me to be able to go back to sleep.

I envy my spouse who takes the occasional Ibuprofen for muscle soreness. How wonderful would that be, to not need medications. But, how wonderful it is that there are medications that really do help and make a decent life possible now. At my age, my mother battled the same things that I have (says a lot for heredity!) and didn't have nearly the arsenal that I have to combat the illnesses with. I'm grateful for the meds that work. When one comes along in this day and age where "pop a pill" is the common solution that is as destructive as Effexor was for me and many others (reported and unreported), it is frustrating. My heart aches for the people who don't know about this board and are dealing with the hell of the Effexor problems alone. I can't tell you how relieved I was to discover that what I was experiencing was not unique and that I wasn't "crazy."

Thanks, Dr. Bob.

 

Opiods Keith Talent

Posted by kananee on April 21, 2004, at 23:00:37

In reply to Re: Questions but no answers, posted by Keith Talent on April 21, 2004, at 20:21:28

> I've read here and elsewhere that Effexor is almost identical in structure to tramadol (Ultram), an opioid painkiller. I know that opioids cause constipation, and when opioid-dependent people withdraw (e.g. heroin) they get diarrhoea. Maybe there's something in that?>

Wow!! My older daughter was, sadly, a heroin addict (and bipolar) and died from a supposedly accidental overdose just before Christmas 2003. Just today I was telling my younger daughter that this Effexor withdrawaI feels like what her sister used to describe when she was trying to get clean: the flu-like stuff, nausea, stomach cramps, fever, chills, brain shivers, etc etc etc

Now I understand why. Yipes, this is scary stuff. I think I'll try to live without antidepressants when I finally get this awful drug out of my system.

I especially feel for those of you who post here who have severe and painful physical problems in addition to the depression. I can't imagine what this withdrawal must be like for you.

jiggitykid: Here's what we need: A decaf, fat free, sugar free chocolate that tastes as good as Haagen Daz chocolate ice cream!

 

Withdrawal. MIMS doesnt list these ones

Posted by wibbles on April 23, 2004, at 1:55:36

In reply to Effexor withdrawal symptoms!, posted by Becky on October 2, 1999, at 22:03:30

OMG I am SO glad to have found these postings, thank U all. I thought I was insane. Niether the doctor that put me on exefore nor the pharmacist had a clue what was going on. Worst part were the dreams......and they didnt stop when i was awake. I so thought I would be trapped like that for ever. I cant believe I was given such a dangerous drug with so little information about it (That said, i am a student nurse, and MIMS...our subscription guidline book..doesnt list many of the withdrawal effects).

Dont even think i WAS depressed, not B4 the effexor

 

Re: Withdrawal. MIMS doesnt list these ones wibbles

Posted by jiggitykid on April 23, 2004, at 7:48:02

In reply to Withdrawal. MIMS doesnt list these ones, posted by wibbles on April 23, 2004, at 1:55:36

Hi - congrats on finding the board. I was as relieved and happy as you sound.

If you don't mind my asking, why would a doc have put you on effexor if you don't think you were depressed to begin with? A lady I know was put on lexapro as a "just in case" medication after her hysterectomy. That's not safe, IMO. I understand wanting to make sure she didn't have a bad experience, but shouldn't the doc have waited and monitored her before giving her something like an antidepressant?

Anyway, go back through the archives (if you haven't already) and read up on all of the experiences here. Frankly, as awful as this experience is for you, your patients will benefit from your experience with this. You can use this as an opportunity to "educate" doctors. All of us need to "educate" our medical professionals, since the FDA and the drug companies don't plan to. Take care of yourself and hang in there!! Thanks for your post.

> OMG I am SO glad to have found these postings, thank U all. I thought I was insane. Niether the doctor that put me on exefore nor the pharmacist had a clue what was going on. Worst part were the dreams......and they didnt stop when i was awake. I so thought I would be trapped like that for ever. I cant believe I was given such a dangerous drug with so little information about it (That said, i am a student nurse, and MIMS...our subscription guidline book..doesnt list many of the withdrawal effects).
>
> Dont even think i WAS depressed, not B4 the effexor

 

Re: Horrible Effexor withdrawal symptoms!

Posted by Sachikon on April 25, 2004, at 19:05:36

In reply to Re: Horrible Effexor withdrawal symptoms! Iceofire, posted by hageshe on April 10, 2003, at 16:35:09

I was on Effexor for 3 years 150mg. Like you I realized that my life was being slowly sucked away from me. I was sleeping all the time and had no energy even when awake. My mental capacity was diminished and dull.
I quit cold turky about 6 weeks ago and thought I'd never make it. The shivers finally subsided after about 3 weeks. I still experience them if I haven't had enough sleep or if I consume any alcohol. The dreams and restless nights are down to about once or twice a week.
Despite the continued withdrawal things are so much better! I really, really encourage you to try again to get past week 2. Things really started imporoving around that time. After week 3 I began to feel free and alive. My mind is becoming sharper every day and I'm feeling better than I remember feeling in ages. My husband says he's finally getting his wife back.
I know I am getting my life back in ways I am only beginning to realize.
I know it is difficult. I thought I was going to go crazy many, many times the first week or two. Try and find strength in counting down the days and know that it will get better. It will be worth the pain of quitting.
I wish you the best of luck and will be "pulling" for you to make it. -S

 

Re: Brain Shivers Sachikon

Posted by kananee on April 25, 2004, at 23:22:22

In reply to Brain Shivers Effexor Withdrawal, posted by Sachikon on March 13, 2004, at 22:54:23

> > > Here is a series of articles on Brain Shivers that taught me a lot....
> > >
> > > http://depression.about.com/cs/venlafaxine/a/brainshivers.htm>; > >

I went to this link but couldn't get to p. 4, which supposedly explains what causes these things. Is there anyone who got to p 4 and can explain the cause?

BTW, for me it's definitely related to turning my head, sidetoside or upanddown, and I think of it as two little devils on either side of my head, playing electric ping-pong: Zap, Zap; Zap, Zap. I can actually hear the sound as well as feel the "electric shock."

Day 10 of being Effexor-free. Most physical symptoms are much improved. What's plaguing me now are the brain zaps (which aren't as bad), crying jags and, the worst: A really mean paranoid spirit has taken over my mind and body. Several of you have mentioned "PMS" behavior. Does this go away? Do I need an exorcist? (I'm only partially kidding -- this personna is not someone I am or want to be. ) Any advice?

 

Re: Brain Shivers kananee

Posted by Jiggitykid on April 26, 2004, at 7:58:41

In reply to Re: Brain Shivers Sachikon, posted by kananee on April 25, 2004, at 23:22:22

>>>A really mean paranoid spirit has taken over my mind and body. Several of you have mentioned "PMS" behavior. Does this go away?<<<

Yes, it is normal and it does go away (at least, it did for me ;-) ). This very thing is the part that my mother saw, and worried that I needed another antidepressant to soften it. I didn't want to do that, so I tried to remind myself that this was part of the withdrawal and not a part of me. Telling those around me that this was going on and that I wasn't just a big ol' meanie helped, too. Patience is the biggest gift you can give yourself. For me, it took approx. 2 months before my personality began to settle back into place.

It has been since just after Halloween '03 when I quit taking effexor cold-turkey. The first two weeks were horrible, the third week was bad but tolerable, then it began to get better. Occasionally, I still wake up with the "zaps," or the brain shivers, but that is becoming more and more rare. It snuck up on me night-before-last and was quite a surprise.

Take care of yourself. Be patient and be gentle with yourself. Hang in there!

 

Re: Brain Shivers Jiggitykid

Posted by kananee on April 26, 2004, at 8:12:36

In reply to Re: Brain Shivers kananee, posted by Jiggitykid on April 26, 2004, at 7:58:41

Thanks, Jiggitykid. At least I know it's temporary. Some of the people I care about most -- my family -- are the least understanding. "Everybody has problems -- you're just being a drama queen" etc. So it's somewhat a question of how many will be left standing at the end.

 

Re: Brain Shivers kananee

Posted by Jiggitykid on April 26, 2004, at 8:19:09

In reply to Re: Brain Shivers Jiggitykid, posted by kananee on April 26, 2004, at 8:12:36

>>>drama queen<<<

I know - they can be the hardest. If you think they'll listen (and I've got those in my family and my in-laws who truly won't listen), then you might send them here, or print out some of the testimonies from others and share them. Also, have you signed the petition yet? You might direct them toward the petition and the numbers of others who have been affected this way. The "drama queen" title won't hold much water then! 4750 signatures does not one drama queen make ;-).

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/effexor/petition.html

 

Re: Brain Shivers Jiggitykid

Posted by Sachikon on April 26, 2004, at 12:22:43

In reply to Re: Brain Shivers kananee, posted by Jiggitykid on April 26, 2004, at 7:58:41

My experience was very similar. I quit cold-turkey after almost 4 years on 150mg. The first two weeks were a nightmare. I thought I might die or just go crazy. Week 3 things slowly improved. I'm at 6 weeks and starting to feel better than I have in years. I still have "shivers" but certainly not everyday. It's worse when I'm tired. I wish you the best of luck! Hang in there I know it's rough but it is so worth it! -S


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