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Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users

Posted by Flipsactown on April 19, 2004, at 14:25:13

Hello Friends,

Just wanted to share an excellent site that clarifies some of the misconceptions and fear in using MAOIs. Here in the US, including my Kaiser pdoc, there is this great fear of prescribing MAOIs and if I had not insisted to my pdoc that since I had seemed to have exhausted all of the safer SSRIs, TCAs, SNRI'S, etc. that I wanted to try an MAOI, specifically, Nardil, since Ace stated that Nardil Rules!, my pdoc would probably not have recommended it. Four days after I had been taking 15mg Nardil daily, I felt my depression starting to lift but had insominia as a SE. When I had asked my pdoc through his nurse that I wanted to try Trazodone to relieve my insomnia, they practically freaked out and told me to do more research and this site is the result of my research. I will be faxing my pdoc this info and I have already requested a change in pdocs. In the mean time I am taking generic benadryl which seems to help my insomnia. It has now been 10 days and my depression is decreasing each day.
Here is the site http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/2002_06/06_02_psy_toc.asp

FST

 

Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users Flipsactown

Posted by Questionmark on April 20, 2004, at 2:10:04

In reply to Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users, posted by Flipsactown on April 19, 2004, at 14:25:13

That, is so, AWESome!!!
FInally, a case of a patient who gets to show his ... not-smart... overconfident pdoc just how ignorant and arrogant he/she is!! i lOVe it!
First off there's a great article about the use and prescribing, and etc., of MAOIs, and about how they're "an option worth trying" and that notion. Then you have, somewhere in that article, a little statement about how any antidepressant without significant serotonin reuptake inhibiting properties is okay/safe to combine (cautiously, of course) with an MAOI. And what do they even include their in their list of a few examples in parentheses? That's right! Trazadone! i love it!!

i commend you, Flipsactown. You have done a good thing this day (or are doing soon, whatever). Wow. That makes my hour. Thanks for sharing that, and DOing it, especially.
Let us not forget this moment in our lives, my friends, when the person who calls himself, "Flipsactown" did a noble and honorable deed, indeed. This shall forever go down (at least in my mind, as long as my memory works) as a time when the patient, the manipulated, the used, the host, the prey-- yes, they-- no, WE-- have won this battle, and the psychiatrists, the "pdocs", the iron fists, the holier-than-thous, the tyrants, the condescending, conceited, pill-pushing, take-your-money-and-leave-you-bloodied-and-soiled-and-worse-than-before-with-shattered-hopes-on-the-side-of-the-road, stubborn as spoiled children, "I know more about how this drug makes you feel than you do, even though I've never taken A DRUG IN MY EFFING LIFE!!!(outside of NSAIDs), because I'M an M.D. and you're just a mentally weak freak going to a psychiatrist!"-type people, the symbiotic parasites-- yes, they lose. Today, they lose.
god, i'm insane. i will "just stop already." Sorry for that. Got carried away. Which is easy to do being the OCPD freak that i am, er smthn. (Or maybe thats just an excuse.)? Who knOWws?...
Okay enough!
Well done once again Flip. .

 

Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users Questionmark

Posted by Flipsactown on April 20, 2004, at 3:15:02

In reply to Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users Flipsactown, posted by Questionmark on April 20, 2004, at 2:10:04

Thanks Mr.Questionmark!

Here's another AWESome site and I even emailed the pdoc who wrote the update, thanking him for the update article and asked a couple of quick questions, not really expecting an answer, but he did. Now that is AWESOME! I also asked him if I could share this info with fellow MAOI users and he that would be fine with him. Here is the site. http://psychotropical.com/notes/691.html

Flipsactown aka FST

> That, is so, AWESome!!!
> FInally, a case of a patient who gets to show his ... not-smart... overconfident pdoc just how ignorant and arrogant he/she is!! i lOVe it!
> First off there's a great article about the use and prescribing, and etc., of MAOIs, and about how they're "an option worth trying" and that notion. Then you have, somewhere in that article, a little statement about how any antidepressant without significant serotonin reuptake inhibiting properties is okay/safe to combine (cautiously, of course) with an MAOI. And what do they even include their in their list of a few examples in parentheses? That's right! Trazadone! i love it!!
>
> i commend you, Flipsactown. You have done a good thing this day (or are doing soon, whatever). Wow. That makes my hour. Thanks for sharing that, and DOing it, especially.
> Let us not forget this moment in our lives, my friends, when the person who calls himself, "Flipsactown" did a noble and honorable deed, indeed. This shall forever go down (at least in my mind, as long as my memory works) as a time when the patient, the manipulated, the used, the host, the prey-- yes, they-- no, WE-- have won this battle, and the psychiatrists, the "pdocs", the iron fists, the holier-than-thous, the tyrants, the condescending, conceited, pill-pushing, take-your-money-and-leave-you-bloodied-and-soiled-and-worse-than-before-with-shattered-hopes-on-the-side-of-the-road, stubborn as spoiled children, "I know more about how this drug makes you feel than you do, even though I've never taken A DRUG IN MY EFFING LIFE!!!(outside of NSAIDs), because I'M an M.D. and you're just a mentally weak freak going to a psychiatrist!"-type people, the symbiotic parasites-- yes, they lose. Today, they lose.
> god, i'm insane. i will "just stop already." Sorry for that. Got carried away. Which is easy to do being the OCPD freak that i am, er smthn. (Or maybe thats just an excuse.)? Who knOWws?...
> Okay enough!
> Well done once again Flip. .

 

Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users Flipsactown

Posted by Flipsactown on April 20, 2004, at 4:09:37

In reply to Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users Questionmark, posted by Flipsactown on April 20, 2004, at 3:15:02

I just realized that this site I was referring to was referred to me by Todd, AKA King Vultan. Sorry, I did not mean to take the credit, but I did find this next one on my own, I think. Frankly, I have been researching this online and have bookmarked so many sites that may have already been posted here by someone else. I don't want to step on anybody's toes. Also, I apologize to Questionmark in assuming you are male.

FST

> Thanks Mr.Questionmark!
>
> Here's another AWESome site and I even emailed the pdoc who wrote the update, thanking him for the update article and asked a couple of quick questions, not really expecting an answer, but he did. Now that is AWESOME! I also asked him if I could share this info with fellow MAOI users and he that would be fine with him. Here is the site. http://psychotropical.com/notes/691.html
>
> Flipsactown aka FST
>
>
> > That, is so, AWESome!!!
> > FInally, a case of a patient who gets to show his ... not-smart... overconfident pdoc just how ignorant and arrogant he/she is!! i lOVe it!
> > First off there's a great article about the use and prescribing, and etc., of MAOIs, and about how they're "an option worth trying" and that notion. Then you have, somewhere in that article, a little statement about how any antidepressant without significant serotonin reuptake inhibiting properties is okay/safe to combine (cautiously, of course) with an MAOI. And what do they even include their in their list of a few examples in parentheses? That's right! Trazadone! i love it!!
> >
> > i commend you, Flipsactown. You have done a good thing this day (or are doing soon, whatever). Wow. That makes my hour. Thanks for sharing that, and DOing it, especially.
> > Let us not forget this moment in our lives, my friends, when the person who calls himself, "Flipsactown" did a noble and honorable deed, indeed. This shall forever go down (at least in my mind, as long as my memory works) as a time when the patient, the manipulated, the used, the host, the prey-- yes, they-- no, WE-- have won this battle, and the psychiatrists, the "pdocs", the iron fists, the holier-than-thous, the tyrants, the condescending, conceited, pill-pushing, take-your-money-and-leave-you-bloodied-and-soiled-and-worse-than-before-with-shattered-hopes-on-the-side-of-the-road, stubborn as spoiled children, "I know more about how this drug makes you feel than you do, even though I've never taken A DRUG IN MY EFFING LIFE!!!(outside of NSAIDs), because I'M an M.D. and you're just a mentally weak freak going to a psychiatrist!"-type people, the symbiotic parasites-- yes, they lose. Today, they lose.
> > god, i'm insane. i will "just stop already." Sorry for that. Got carried away. Which is easy to do being the OCPD freak that i am, er smthn. (Or maybe thats just an excuse.)? Who knOWws?...
> > Okay enough!
> > Well done once again Flip. .
>
>

 

Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users » Flipsactown

Posted by cubbybear on April 20, 2004, at 12:11:13

In reply to Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users Questionmark, posted by Flipsactown on April 20, 2004, at 3:15:02

>
> Here's another AWESome site and I even emailed the pdoc who wrote the update, thanking him for the update article and asked a couple of quick questions, not really expecting an answer, but he did. Now that is AWESOME! I also asked him if I could share this info with fellow MAOI users and he that would be fine with him. Here is the site. http://psychotropical.com/notes/691.html
>
> Flipsactown aka FST
>
>
You're doing your homework and enlightening the doctors, but be careful. . .I looked at the above site and find that it contradicts the revised food restrictions established by Canadian researchers arond 1998 (e.g. by stating that Brie and Mozarella cheese are dangerous, when in fact, the actual tyramine readings provided by the Canadian researchers showed quite the contrary.) Furthermore, this article is misleading because it paints the impression that sauerkraut, for one, could be safe when it it not, and the article fails to even mention the potential fatal reaction of administering meperidine (analgesic) to an MAOI patient. It seems that there's still a lot of inconsistency and contradiction out there regarding which foods are safe and which are not. Meanwhile, the illustrious drug company, Glaxo Smith Kline, which is wallowing in the profits engendered by a 40% price hike of Parnate, is still distributing patient info with the bottles that put forth the overly broad, restrictive and unncessary restrictions of the MAOIs' first 40 years.Somehow, the revised and liberalized guidelines are not making their way on to the patient inserts. Ooops! I forgot. . . .the drug company has to cover its a**.
Sorry, guys, I went off the topic. . .I just hate seeing all this "misinformation" going around. After more than 40 years, it's high time the medical establishment got proven, substantiated numbers on the tyramine problem.

 

Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users

Posted by harryp on April 20, 2004, at 18:30:24

In reply to Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users, posted by Flipsactown on April 19, 2004, at 14:25:13

Thank you for the great site.

The best resource I have found on MAOI's, tricyclics, augmentation strategy, etc. is the late Jerrold G. Bernstein's *Drug Therapy in Psychiatry*. (3rd ed. Mosby) New and cheap used copies are available at Amazon, and it makes the modern psychopharmacology texts look like *Psychpharm for Dummies* in comparison.

It even contains pages of charts with tyramine content of common and foreign foods!

 

Re: Good luck to you friend....and NARDIL RULES!!! (nm) Flipsactown

Posted by ace on April 20, 2004, at 23:08:08

In reply to Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users, posted by Flipsactown on April 19, 2004, at 14:25:13

 

Re: double double quotes harryp

Posted by Dr. Bob on April 22, 2004, at 0:51:44

In reply to Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users, posted by harryp on April 20, 2004, at 18:30:24

> The best resource I have found on MAOI's, tricyclics, augmentation strategy, etc. is the late Jerrold G. Bernstein's *Drug Therapy in Psychiatry*. (3rd ed. Mosby) New and cheap used copies are available at Amazon

I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#amazon

The first time anyone refers to a book without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. It's just an option, though, and doesn't *have* to be used. If people *choose* not to use it, I'd be interested why not, but I'd like that redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7717.html

Thanks!

Bob

 

Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users

Posted by bobbiedobbs on May 3, 2004, at 14:15:10

In reply to Re: Ace and All Nardil and MAOI Users Flipsactown, posted by Questionmark on April 20, 2004, at 2:10:04

Exactly.
Seems like we get more out of communicating with other than we do from most of our prescribing doctors. More benefit of others' experience, more humanity....There needs to be a coherent network database...Dr Bob comes the closest, if one has the patience....
I live in Philadelphia. Trying to get someone to prescribe an MAOI is liking getting your family physician to give you heroin. Most are so ignorant, arrogant, and few treat you like a human. The dietary restrictions on MAOIs are decades out of date. I've got to stop before I start. But well said. I've got other studies that back up the one linked to early on this thread from McClean.

Thatt's so, AWESome!!!
> FInally, a case of a patient who gets to show his ... not-smart... overconfident pdoc just how ignorant and arrogant he/she is!! i lOVe it!
> First off there's a great article about the use and prescribing, and etc., of MAOIs, and about how they're "an option worth trying" and that notion. Then you have, somewhere in that article, a little statement about how any antidepressant without significant serotonin reuptake inhibiting properties is okay/safe to combine (cautiously, of course) with an MAOI. And what do they even include their in their list of a few examples in parentheses? That's right! Trazadone! i love it!!
>
> i commend you, Flipsactown. You have done a good thing this day (or are doing soon, whatever). Wow. That makes my hour. Thanks for sharing that, and DOing it, especially.
> Let us not forget this moment in our lives, my friends, when the person who calls himself, "Flipsactown" did a noble and honorable deed, indeed. This shall forever go down (at least in my mind, as long as my memory works) as a time when the patient, the manipulated, the used, the host, the prey-- yes, they-- no, WE-- have won this battle, and the psychiatrists, the "pdocs", the iron fists, the holier-than-thous, the tyrants, the condescending, conceited, pill-pushing, take-your-money-and-leave-you-bloodied-and-soiled-and-worse-than-before-with-shattered-hopes-on-the-side-of-the-road, stubborn as spoiled children, "I know more about how this drug makes you feel than you do, even though I've never taken A DRUG IN MY EFFING LIFE!!!(outside of NSAIDs), because I'M an M.D. and you're just a mentally weak freak going to a psychiatrist!"-type people, the symbiotic parasites-- yes, they lose. Today, they lose.
> god, i'm insane. i will "just stop already." Sorry for that. Got carried away. Which is easy to do being the OCPD freak that i am, er smthn. (Or maybe thats just an excuse.)? Who knOWws?...
> Okay enough!
> Well done once again Flip. .


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