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Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by Ruru on April 2, 2004, at 1:08:33

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by snapper on April 2, 2004, at 0:48:15

Thank you so much for answering. Have read it quickly and will have to re-read as not sure I understand.
Thank you for the info
God Bless
Ruru

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by shadows721 on April 2, 2004, at 18:58:07

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by Ruru on April 2, 2004, at 0:30:57

All of your child's symptoms are normal for a very abnormal experience. I don't know how old this child is. That is very important to know in regard to treatment.

It sounds like she totally belives that she is at blame for this act of violence against her. It's affecting every aspect of her life- relationships, believe in herself, and even God. She may not ever feel safe either.

When something of this magnitude happens to a child, they feel they are totally to blame. They may subconsciously feel there is something wrong with them and that's why this happened to them. They may think that even God allowed this to happen (i.e., God rejected them too.) They have problems with others, because they feel "different" from others. In a way they are, they have experienced Hell on Earth experiences. The danger replays out in dreams as well.

The most important thing for her is to make her feel important. She has to have a believe in herself change. She has to have a change in knowledge about herself. Yes, this happened. Yes, it was from Hell itself. But, she survived. She is special and can turn this ugliness into something else. She can later, become a fighter for herself and others. She can use her voice and artistic abilities to express what wasn't allowed to be expressed. There is so much energy turned against the self. It has to be redirected into a powerful energy for herself.

Tell her this happened, because there are people who are very bad. They are drawn to the light of God in beautiful children. They want the child to feel bad and think bad thoughts about themselves. But, she must know - SHE STILL HAS THE LIGHT OF GOD IN HER. She can use this light to fight back against the darkness of the perpetrator.

This may sound odd, but it is my truth. Perpetrators are like hidden lions against children. They want to engulf their innocence. The child must learn the truth. They are still good and not allow the perpetrator steal their beauty that still resides deep within them.

I hope this makes sense. She must see she still has light and goodness in her. But, now, she has looked into the eyes of evil and survived. She has many gifts from surviving this hellish experience that she may not even know she has yet. She just doesn't know what powers she still has deep within herself. Right now, she only see what was done to her.

Shadows721

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by Ruru on April 2, 2004, at 22:43:16

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by shadows721 on April 2, 2004, at 18:58:07

Shadow- you have no clue as to how much your answer means to me. She is 29,married,college degree with honors. She has great support but cannot yet see that. She was repeatedly abused at age 11 and told no one until four years ago when her depression started. She has lost all faith in God although she does admit she feels this is not permanent. She replays what happened almost constantly. She does not look, act or think like the person she was the first 25 years of her life. I know the unspeakable acts she went through stole her childhood and am afraid it will completely steal her mind.Her doctor has told her that part of her mind is still 11 years old. Please keep her in your prayers as I will pray for everyone on this board.
God Bless
Ruru

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by shadows721 on April 3, 2004, at 0:02:16

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by Ruru on April 2, 2004, at 22:43:16

She is carrying around a lot of pain in the center of her being that is not deserved. She is very brave for telling others about her pain. She can run up against a lot of trash from others when she tells her truth. No one knows what she went through, but her.

Part of her healing will be to express the feelings that she could not at the time she was being abused. When this happens, all Hell breaks loose. She will most likely direct her anger at those who are safe - spouse, parents, friends, etc. She has been directing a lot of anger at herself for not being able to stop what happened and for being the target of such brutality. Nightmares, flashbacks, and emotional ranging from terror to rage come flooding back. This is apart of the process. Her life may flip out of control while she is doing this hard work.

You are right there is an 11 y/o there and is still in terror of this brutal perpetrator. That's why she is having such a difficult time now. She is still partly operating from an 11 y/o perspective. The wonderful thing is that there still is a really bright and beautiful 11 y/o still there. She is very much alive. She can tell her story as many ways as she wishes. This very intelligent woman needs to see this fact and start to realize she needs to tell the 11 y/o the truth. The adult can protect her and give her a live she could never imagine.

What may help the 29 y/o is to make a photo album of herself in age order. She needs to see the child that is still there. She needs to look into the eyes of that 11 y/o and say, "I love you just the way you are and it wasn't your fault all this happened to you." The 29 y/o is strong enough now to tell the 11 y/o to stop this self hating. She is and always was a child of the God that she chooses to believe.

There are many books on healing from abuse. All will say this is a process. It doesn't happen over night. Sometimes, she will feel stuck. Sometimes, it may feel like nothing is real. All she needs to do is just do the best she can do at any given moment. That's all she can ask of herself and protect herself during the worst times of the this process.

There is a lot of pain, but this young bright woman has a lot of light within her being that she has yet to uncover. The light within her - the child that wasn't abused - can help the child that was abused with the adults help. She has a lot of love around her to help her walk down this path. She is a strong woman for making these steps toward healing.

To others it may look like she is getting worse, but inside she is doing some major internal renovating. She is questioning everything. She is finding out who she really was and is. Not many do this. It is extremely hard work. She is a survivor and can make her life better in time. But right now, this is a time of grieving. It will get better with time. She will need to lean on those who truly love her while she does this work.

I wish her the best.

From another survivor with love,
Shadows721

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD) » shadows721

Posted by gardenergirl on April 3, 2004, at 13:26:53

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by shadows721 on April 3, 2004, at 0:02:16

Just wanted to jump in and say how very moving your post is, Shadows. The image of viewing a time line of childhood and having the adult love and nurture the child while providing adult perspective is just awe-inspiring. I infer that this process has been particularly meaningful to you, and I am glad if it has helped the healing process.

I'll keep both you and Ruru's daughter in my thoughts and prayers.

gg

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by Ruru on April 3, 2004, at 22:43:19

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by shadows721 on April 3, 2004, at 0:02:16

Your post was moving and helpfull beyond words. I will talk to her tomorrow about the photo album. I know that part of her healing is art but she says most of her pictures are disturbing and she has not offered to show them to me. In many ways I think she trys to protect me and her father from knowing everything that happened but finally accepts our support. She has oftened called me over in the middle of the night when she couldn't sleep and she didn't want to bother her husband(he has been great support). You sound very mature-may I ask your age and if you have a peaceful life? Thank you again.
God Bless
Ruru

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by shadows721 on April 4, 2004, at 1:04:03

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by Ruru on April 3, 2004, at 22:43:19

No, I don't mind telling you my age. I am 36. If you wish, show her my posts. I have been walking down this path of healing for 10 years. It's Hellish, but it really helps to have support like she is getting from you and others. Some days, crying is all I could do.

I use to feel that I was an ugly child, but it was only the uglines I felt within myself that I reflected on those pictures from childhood. Now, I see a child in those pictures who was in isolation and tremendous pain.

There is no such thing as an ugly child. If a child act in bad ways, it is only because someone taught them mean ways. We all come in this world with innocence. We don't come in this world hating ourselves either. Again, someone taught us that. As adults, we have to teach ourselves the truth.

One who is walking the same path,
Shadows721

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by MSTROU1 on April 5, 2004, at 17:00:22

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by shadows721 on April 4, 2004, at 1:04:03

I also have been diagnosed with PTSD and although have not been prescribed it, have wondered if you've considered your daughter taking propranolol? Has anyone else on the board had any experience with it. I'm contemplating asking my doctor for it.


 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by Ruru on April 5, 2004, at 21:51:14

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by MSTROU1 on April 5, 2004, at 17:00:22

> I also have been diagnosed with PTSD and although have not been prescribed it, have wondered if you've considered your daughter taking propranolol? Has anyone else on the board had any experience with it. I'm contemplating asking my doctor for it.
>
> Her symptoms are far past that drug. As far as I know the main use for propranolol is hypertension or headaches. I will have to get her throughts on this. Thank you for your response.
Ruru
>

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by Michael D on April 14, 2004, at 16:14:41

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by Ruru on April 2, 2004, at 0:30:57

Hi Ruru,

I feel for your situation. I have found it difficult to find the right treatment. IMO, the primary form of treatment for PTSD is trauma therapy. Find a therapist who does EMDR - it's, to the best of my knowledge, the most common form of trauma therapy.

Medication can help, for sure. Unfortuantely, Psychiatrists who are good a treating PTSD are hard to find. Check out:

http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2001/11_01/khouzam.htm

If you have a hard time finding an EMDR therapist, ask by *responding to this post*.

Michael


> First time here. I have a child dx with complete PTSD four years ago. Up until her symptoms she had always seemed happy and well adjusted. She does not even look like the same person she use to.She has been on every mediation,been in one of the best units in the US,therapy twice a week for four years and still hallucinates, has flashbacks,nightmares,can't sleep(uses heavy medication for sleep)seems to be without emotions and can't concentrate.She freq. falls asleep and I think the worst thing for her is almost constant recurring thoughts. Her abuser in in prison although not for the crimes committed against her and will be released soon. She has good family support and we pray for her daily but she has lost her faith. I pray for peace for all of you for you don't deserve to suffer from the acts of others. Any suggestions you could give me as a family member would be appreciated. Sorry for the long post.
> God Bless
> Ruru
>

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by Ruru on April 15, 2004, at 21:28:47

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by Michael D on April 14, 2004, at 16:14:41

Michael
Thank you for the info. She was told at Menninger Hospital the best treatment was a trauma unit ASAP following the event. She was abused 20 years ago, started with symptoms 4 years ago and has been in therapy since.We(her parents)did not know until last year. Have you had the EMDR therapy? Sorry for saying this but it really sounds too simple to be real. I will pass this on to her and see what she thinks. Her psychiatrist wants her therapist to desensitize their sessions as her symptoms are worse but she really wants to follow what she learned at Menninger. All her discharge summaries end with "prognosis:poor" but we can't accept that. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has had successful therapy. I can't think of one medication she has not already been on and she either has problems with them or they don't work. Thanks for all you help
God Bless
Ruru

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by Michael D on April 16, 2004, at 10:59:24

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by Ruru on April 15, 2004, at 21:28:47

Hi Ruru,

> Michael
> Thank you for the info. She was told at Menninger Hospital the best treatment was a trauma unit ASAP following the event.

What is a trauma unit??

> She was abused 20 years ago, started with symptoms 4 years ago and has been in therapy since. We(her parents)did not know until last year.

> Have you had the EMDR therapy?

No, but my brother has. It is fast becoming the primary form of trauma therapy.

The other major form of trauma therapy is abreactive therapy - more feeling focused. Seeing as you seem very interested, I would recomend reading the following books:

Scattered Minds: it's a book about ADD, but I find some of the information to be very helpful for PTSD.

I take for granted that your daughter is very knowledgable about abuse and healing. If she isn't one of the best things for her - and you - to do is read about it. A good beginner's book is "Breaking down the walls of silence" by Alice Miller.

There are many other good books specific to sexual abuse.

Your daughter may want to join
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Primal-Support-Group/
It's a support group for those going through Primal therapy. Primal therapy is an abreactive (feeling) psychotherapy. There are other sexual abuse victims there who have experience working through their trauma.

Lastly, I'd like to recommend, as an adjunct to the above, that you and/or your daughter read "Making Sense of Suffering" by Konrad Stettbacher and "Cure by crying" by Thomas Stone.

The four steps in "Making Sense of Suffering", in particular, are important to understand.

> Sorry for saying this but it really sounds too simple to be real.

I sort of think so too. This is why I am biased towards abreactive therapies.

I'm really sceptical about any psychiatrist who thinks the primary treatment for trauma is medication or cognitive behavioural therapy.

Michael

 

Re: double double quotes » Michael D

Posted by Dr. Bob on April 17, 2004, at 10:50:10

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by Michael D on April 16, 2004, at 10:59:24

> I would recomend reading the following books:
>
> Scattered Minds: it's a book about ADD, but I find some of the information to be very helpful for PTSD.
>
> I take for granted that your daughter is very knowledgable about abuse and healing. If she isn't one of the best things for her - and you - to do is read about it. A good beginner's book is "Breaking down the walls of silence" by Alice Miller...
>
> Lastly, I'd like to recommend, as an adjunct to the above, that you and/or your daughter read "Making Sense of Suffering" by Konrad Stettbacher and "Cure by crying" by Thomas Stone.
>
> The four steps in "Making Sense of Suffering", in particular, are important to understand.

I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#amazon

The first time anyone refers to a book without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. It's just an option, though, and doesn't *have* to be used. If people *choose* not to use it, I'd be interested why not, but I'd like that redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7717.html

Thanks!

Bob

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD)

Posted by Ruru on April 17, 2004, at 21:17:50

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by Michael D on April 16, 2004, at 10:59:24

Michael
Thanks for the follow-up. I know she has read several books but I intend to read some of your recommendations. I tend to get mixed up on the names of the different therapies but keep seeking information. She is a psychology grad student and is way above my head. She has been at Menninger Clinic twice and they seem to help the most but very costly! I hope your brother is doing well.
God Bless
Ruru

 

Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD) » shadows721

Posted by karen_kay on April 21, 2004, at 21:45:49

In reply to Re: The shadows from the past (complex PTSD), posted by shadows721 on April 2, 2004, at 18:58:07

i just had to say, thank you for this.

it took me a while to get around to saying it, and for that i'm sorry. but, this post caused me to see things differently.

really, i just want to say thank you for this. and i think it's honestly time for me to shine. thanks for pointing it out, better than any therapist could. thanks again for this post. and thanks to the person who pointed it out to me. it's really a shame i would have missed it without her. i only wish she would read it the same way i do. perhaps i'll teach her how to? and she'll she that she shines far brighter than she ever realizes.... sorry, didn't mean to take over here. just trying to let someone know how much i honestly admire her. and this will end my little love poem. but again, thank you.

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 15, 2004, at 8:15:25

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Laura915 on March 30, 2004, at 8:17:56

In taking your aminos, do you take all of them (tryptophan, Dl-phenylalanine, etc) at the same time or do you take the Tryptophan (for example) a few hours before the others to prevent the aminos competing with each other just as they might if you took them with a protein meal? Also ow long did you take the aminos for when tapering the Klonopin and do you still take them? 300mg Tryptophan seems pretty high! But I'm glad it's worked for you!

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 15, 2004, at 9:31:48

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Laura915 on March 30, 2004, at 8:17:56

Here are some more detailed questions re your use of amino acids for Klonopin (I'm trying to withdraw from Valium) - hope you can help!

1. You mention taking divided doses for L-tryptophan* - 3000 mgs/day; DL-Phenylanine - 1500 mgs/day; L-Glutamine - 1000 mgs/day; L-theanine - 2000 mgs/day; GABA - 1500 mgs/day. Could you be more specific? Did you take these in divided doses three times daily or two times daily and, if so, did you just divide the total taken by the number of times (e.g. 3000 mg Tryptophan = 1,000 mg x 3 daily). Also, did you find specific times of the day more helpful than others for each divided dose?

2. How long was your Klonopin tapering schedule from beginning to cessation? I am currently taking 30 mg Valium (10 mg x 3) daily and the tapering guidelines I've read suggest that I should taper very slowly (minimum 6 months). However, I stopped taking Luvox (prescribed 5 years ago to help me lower and taper Valium but didn't work) about 8 months ago (though I had to increase my Valium from 10 mg to 30 mg daily for withdraal symptoms) and I still have occasional Luvox withdrawal problems though they've subsided considerably.

I really learned a lot from your post and I'm very happy that you found a successful method for tapering the Klonopin.

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Laura915 on May 17, 2004, at 9:33:09

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 15, 2004, at 8:15:25

From my research, the amino acids I was combining have certain properties that complement or boost the effectiveness of each other. For example, DL-Phenylalanine and a B-complex vitamin boosts the effectiveness of the L-Tryptophan.

I don't take the higher dosages any longer. During my tapering process and the month after total withdrawal I did, but now I take less than half of that original dosage. It's best to try it and seek your own best levels. It is not an exact science and you may need less for effectiveness. I started at such a high dosage of Klonopin and I wanted to aggressively taper so the higher dosages of amino acids helped me.

> In taking your aminos, do you take all of them (tryptophan, Dl-phenylalanine, etc) at the same time or do you take the Tryptophan (for example) a few hours before the others to prevent the aminos competing with each other just as they might if you took them with a protein meal? Also ow long did you take the aminos for when tapering the Klonopin and do you still take them? 300mg Tryptophan seems pretty high! But I'm glad it's worked for you!

 

Redirect: aminos

Posted by Dr. Bob on May 18, 2004, at 0:01:14

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 15, 2004, at 8:15:25

> In taking your aminos...

I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding amino acids to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20040418/msgs/348008.html

Thanks,

Bob

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Ole Olsen on May 22, 2004, at 12:13:58

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Ole Olsen on May 22, 2004, at 11:49:32

Hi Laura, it's nice to see someone who is using aminos successfully to come of the benzos. I have a Ph.D. in experimental medicine so I'm not a medical doctor but I have the ability and knowledge to thoroughly research the biochemisty behind these drugs etc etc. However, my limitation is the physiological effect these agents will have. As far as my own research goes the aminos are very well tolerated with minimal toxicity even at very high doses except for a few such as 5HTP and GABA which are very potent and need to be used at low starting doses. My wife has been on klonopin at 1 mg/day for 3 years and we are now trying to get her off the drug. She started by reducing her dose to 0.5 mg once day followed a few hours later with 500 mg tyrosine, 2500 mg glutamine, and in the afternoon 2 cups of strong green tea (L-theanine). She also does a 20 minute aerobic workout once a day. Her withdrawl symptoms have generally been mild and non debilitating. I've thought of adding GABA to her regimen and noted that you used GABA to help your withdrawl symptoms but I am concerned about the mechanism of action of the klonopin as it makes the GABA receptor "stick" tighter to the GABA and for a longer period of time. My question is were you still taking a lower dose of klonopin when taking the GABA etc or did you stop the drug and replace it with the supplements. Also, what dose of GABA did you take (mgs per Kgs body weight) and was it before or after taking your dose of klonopin? Also, you may wish to add taurine to your supplement list as this agent stimulates neurons to make so-called low affinity GABA receptors.

Thanks

Ole

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 24, 2004, at 4:38:39

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Ole Olsen on May 22, 2004, at 12:13:58

Hi Ole,

I can't comment on several issues you raised and will leave that for Laura. However, I have some comments on GABA.

It seems that Laura is not the only one to use GABA successfully for benzo withdrawal (see Dr.Bob post by Gabbix2 pasted in below). I have also found that Julia Ross (author of The Mood Cure) has used GABA along with taurine (which you recommended), inositol, and glycine for Klonopin detox of a client of hers along with careful monitoring by a physician (The Mood Cure, pg.220-21). She recommends that use of aminos be accompanied by monitoring by a physician. I also discovered that Dr.Eric Braverman (PATHMED) uses GABA along with other aminos (e.g. tarurine & Glycine)for benzo withdrawal and theanine (used by Laura) was recommended to me by one of his nutritionists in a telephone consultation. It's important to note that Dr.Braverman also uses the drugs Depakote or Gabapentin as adjuncts in withdrawal.

I don't know if this answers your question about the "mechanism of action" re GABA and Klonopin but GABA does seem to work for a number of people. I have begun using it in my own tapering/withdrawal initiative.

Good luck!

Jamie
p.s. Below is the post last year by Gabbix2 re use of GABA with aminos and inositol.

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Re: natural alternative to a benzo? « Gabbix2
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 4, 2003, at 22:47:23

In reply to Re: Viridis, Re: Is there a natural alternative to a , posted by Gabbix2 on September 4, 2003, at 20:29:46

> Taking gaba with B complex, 1200mgs inositol and a free form amino acid complex helps increase its absorption.
> I used it last year when withdrawing from Klonopin, it did have a noticeable effect;
> Certainly far moreso than anything else I tried like Kava Kava, or valerian.
> Inositol is contraindicated though if you are bi-polar as apparently it can induce mania.
>
> I don't know what using the gaba combination is like on an ongoing basis for anxiety, it was too difficult for me to get, I can't buy it in Canada.
> I found my benzo fears to be unfounded
> so I'm back on them, but the gaba it did help.
> I just thought I'd pass that along.
> Good luck
>

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin » Ole Olsen

Posted by Laura915 on May 24, 2004, at 9:05:24

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Ole Olsen on May 22, 2004, at 12:13:58

I did take GABA while lowering my Klonopin dosages, but not at high levels. I titrated the dosage up as I reduced the Klonopin. After I was completely off of the Klonopin I found the GABA to be even more noticably effective. I started with 500 mgs (I'm 100#) and took as much as 1500 mgs in divided doses. Now I only take 500 mgs at night. I took taurine with it at one point but found I was more jittery than without (probably a personal biochemical reaction). I am glad your wife is trying this route to avoid using another Rx to get off of an Rx which is what was recommended by my doctor.


> Hi Laura, it's nice to see someone who is using aminos successfully to come of the benzos. I have a Ph.D. in experimental medicine so I'm not a medical doctor but I have the ability and knowledge to thoroughly research the biochemisty behind these drugs etc etc. However, my limitation is the physiological effect these agents will have. As far as my own research goes the aminos are very well tolerated with minimal toxicity even at very high doses except for a few such as 5HTP and GABA which are very potent and need to be used at low starting doses. My wife has been on klonopin at 1 mg/day for 3 years and we are now trying to get her off the drug. She started by reducing her dose to 0.5 mg once day followed a few hours later with 500 mg tyrosine, 2500 mg glutamine, and in the afternoon 2 cups of strong green tea (L-theanine). She also does a 20 minute aerobic workout once a day. Her withdrawl symptoms have generally been mild and non debilitating. I've thought of adding GABA to her regimen and noted that you used GABA to help your withdrawl symptoms but I am concerned about the mechanism of action of the klonopin as it makes the GABA receptor "stick" tighter to the GABA and for a longer period of time. My question is were you still taking a lower dose of klonopin when taking the GABA etc or did you stop the drug and replace it with the supplements. Also, what dose of GABA did you take (mgs per Kgs body weight) and was it before or after taking your dose of klonopin? Also, you may wish to add taurine to your supplement list as this agent stimulates neurons to make so-called low affinity GABA receptors.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ole

 

Klonopin half lives

Posted by fanarokt on May 24, 2004, at 20:43:07

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin, posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 15, 2004, at 9:31:48

i have been taking klonopin for a couple of months but plan to switch back to a mood stabilizer i took previously. i have been taking 2-6mg per day depending on what i needed. i will problely keep the klonopin for melt-downs but i am interested in how long it will take to get out of my system. also how bad the withdrawals will be. sex is the main reason for the drop on this med. it kills everything and i don't need that right now. any answers from experience would be appricated. thanks

 

Re: Klonopin half lives

Posted by Jamie Baulsch on May 25, 2004, at 5:33:04

In reply to Klonopin half lives, posted by fanarokt on May 24, 2004, at 20:43:07

Fanarokt,

If I recall correctly, Klonopin's half-life varies from 18-50 hours. The half-life is the "time taken for the blood concentration to fall to half its initial value after a single dose" (Prof.Ashton, p.5). Professor Ashton's manual, 'Benzodiazepines - How They Work and How to Withdraw'is available at www.benzo.org.uk. The manual is excellent re withdrawal but doesn't cover aids such as aminos.

Jamie

 

Re: withdrawal from Klonopin

Posted by Ole Olsen on May 25, 2004, at 11:14:42

In reply to Re: withdrawal from Klonopin » Ole Olsen, posted by Laura915 on May 24, 2004, at 9:05:24

Thanks Laura. I thought it would be relatively safe for my wife to take GABA while still using a small dose of klonopin but the problem with the aminos is getting the dosage right. You did exactly what I thought I would have my wife do which is to start at 500 mgs daily and titrate up if needed.

Ole


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