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Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by Lisalashes on February 3, 2004, at 10:04:36

I started Zispin 30mg (Remeron) for depression on Sunday and went in to what can only be described as a'zombified state' about an hour after. I slept for 16 hours, and couldn't go to work yesterday.
On getting up to get ready for work I thought I'd be ok, but I couldn't even co-ordinate myself to do the simplest things. I felt heavily drugged, my speech was slurred, It felt like I wasn't even on this planet.
I've had Dothiepin, Prozac and Effexor in the past, I've found Prozac to be the most effective for my symptoms, although they do slightly increase my anxiety levels.

I'm a bit concerned my Doc prescribed Zispin as I've had eating disorders and issues regarding my weight in the past, and also issues with sleep, I sleep fine, if anything excessively to shut myself off from the misery of the depression.

I rang my Doc about the side effects and he reduced my dose to 15mg every night or every other night, but I've read that the daytime drowsiness is usually helped by increasing the dose? Can anyone shed any light on this?
Do these side effects go away?
Even today after not having a pill last night, I still feel spaced out, sluggish, I wouldn't attempt driving and I'm angry and irritable at absolutely everything.

Worst of all my depression feels 100% worse, I feel borderline clinically depressed, whereas I only felt mildly depressed to start.

What should I do?
My Doc says to stick it out a bit longer, any advice greatfully appreciated.

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone? » Lisalashes

Posted by Sad Panda on February 3, 2004, at 11:38:08

In reply to Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by Lisalashes on February 3, 2004, at 10:04:36

> I started Zispin 30mg (Remeron) for depression on Sunday and went in to what can only be described as a'zombified state' about an hour after. I slept for 16 hours, and couldn't go to work yesterday.
> On getting up to get ready for work I thought I'd be ok, but I couldn't even co-ordinate myself to do the simplest things. I felt heavily drugged, my speech was slurred, It felt like I wasn't even on this planet.
> I've had Dothiepin, Prozac and Effexor in the past, I've found Prozac to be the most effective for my symptoms, although they do slightly increase my anxiety levels.
>
> I'm a bit concerned my Doc prescribed Zispin as I've had eating disorders and issues regarding my weight in the past, and also issues with sleep, I sleep fine, if anything excessively to shut myself off from the misery of the depression.
>
> I rang my Doc about the side effects and he reduced my dose to 15mg every night or every other night, but I've read that the daytime drowsiness is usually helped by increasing the dose? Can anyone shed any light on this?
> Do these side effects go away?
> Even today after not having a pill last night, I still feel spaced out, sluggish, I wouldn't attempt driving and I'm angry and irritable at absolutely everything.
>
> Worst of all my depression feels 100% worse, I feel borderline clinically depressed, whereas I only felt mildly depressed to start.
>
> What should I do?
> My Doc says to stick it out a bit longer, any advice greatfully appreciated.
>

I'd go with 15mg for a while until you get use to it. It took me about a month to stop sleeping 12 hours. 30mg to me seemed to make me sleep even longer. Now I take 30mg at night with my 225mg of Efexor & I have a great 8 hours sleep.

If you need this to work in a hurry you could try 45mg to see if the stimulating affects kick in. They didn't for me. When you say you have a weight problem is it too much or too little?
What kind of depression do you have?

Cheers,
Panda.


 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone? » Sad Panda

Posted by Lisalashes on February 3, 2004, at 13:33:52

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone? » Lisalashes, posted by Sad Panda on February 3, 2004, at 11:38:08

> > I started Zispin 30mg (Remeron) for depression on Sunday and went in to what can only be described as a'zombified state' about an hour after. I slept for 16 hours, and couldn't go to work yesterday.
> > On getting up to get ready for work I thought I'd be ok, but I couldn't even co-ordinate myself to do the simplest things. I felt heavily drugged, my speech was slurred, It felt like I wasn't even on this planet.
> > I've had Dothiepin, Prozac and Effexor in the past, I've found Prozac to be the most effective for my symptoms, although they do slightly increase my anxiety levels.
> >
> > I'm a bit concerned my Doc prescribed Zispin as I've had eating disorders and issues regarding my weight in the past, and also issues with sleep, I sleep fine, if anything excessively to shut myself off from the misery of the depression.
> >
> > I rang my Doc about the side effects and he reduced my dose to 15mg every night or every other night, but I've read that the daytime drowsiness is usually helped by increasing the dose? Can anyone shed any light on this?
> > Do these side effects go away?
> > Even today after not having a pill last night, I still feel spaced out, sluggish, I wouldn't attempt driving and I'm angry and irritable at absolutely everything.
> >
> > Worst of all my depression feels 100% worse, I feel borderline clinically depressed, whereas I only felt mildly depressed to start.
> >
> > What should I do?
> > My Doc says to stick it out a bit longer, any advice greatfully appreciated.
> >
>
> I'd go with 15mg for a while until you get use to it. It took me about a month to stop sleeping 12 hours. 30mg to me seemed to make me sleep even longer. Now I take 30mg at night with my 225mg of Efexor & I have a great 8 hours sleep.
>
> If you need this to work in a hurry you could try 45mg to see if the stimulating affects kick in. They didn't for me. When you say you have a weight problem is it too much or too little?
> What kind of depression do you have?
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
>
> Thank you, my depression has been mild to severe, on and off pretty much all my life, usually circumstance related, I had a rough childhood, my Mum died when I was 15 and since it's just been a catalogue of events that I just haven't been strong enough to deal, with although I get stronger with each experience. I had a spell when I was a little younger where I turned to food for comfort and it became a bit of an obsession, I over-ate compulsively, and got in to the starve-binge-feelguilty cycle, I once went a week without food and lost 7lbs, then put it all back on all in one binge! At the moment my weight is healthy but obviously I don't want to go down that road again.
> At the moment my depression is stress related, so much going on around me and I can't cope, I feel so weak, I don't have children, but it's the one thing I'm looking forward to, but I'm not sure I could cope, but I'm determined to get myself well enough for when I have them. What about you? what's your depression like?

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by crazychickuk on February 3, 2004, at 17:07:28

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone? » Sad Panda, posted by Lisalashes on February 3, 2004, at 13:33:52

Up the dose a little the more you take less sedating... are u taking this med alone?

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by Lisalashes on February 3, 2004, at 17:22:17

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by crazychickuk on February 3, 2004, at 17:07:28

> Up the dose a little the more you take less sedating... are u taking this med alone?
Yes, I can't seem to find 2 people with the same advice, some say reduce dose, others say increase. I'm assuming you take/have taken. How have you found it?

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by crazychickuk on February 3, 2004, at 17:35:02

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by Lisalashes on February 3, 2004, at 17:22:17

i am on remeron alone, have been for 9 mnths, when i upped the dose i am more motivated, more energetic and ofcourse more anxious/manic....

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by Lisalashes on February 3, 2004, at 18:02:18

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by crazychickuk on February 3, 2004, at 17:35:02

> i am on remeron alone, have been for 9 mnths, when i upped the dose i am more motivated, more energetic and ofcourse more anxious/manic....
How's your appetite/weight? Have you had other AD's? How do you rate Remeron? Do the benefits outweigh the side effects for you?

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone? » Lisalashes

Posted by Sad Panda on February 4, 2004, at 0:56:52

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone? » Sad Panda, posted by Lisalashes on February 3, 2004, at 13:33:52

> > > I started Zispin 30mg (Remeron) for depression on Sunday and went in to what can only be described as a'zombified state' about an hour after. I slept for 16 hours, and couldn't go to work yesterday.
> > > On getting up to get ready for work I thought I'd be ok, but I couldn't even co-ordinate myself to do the simplest things. I felt heavily drugged, my speech was slurred, It felt like I wasn't even on this planet.
> > > I've had Dothiepin, Prozac and Effexor in the past, I've found Prozac to be the most effective for my symptoms, although they do slightly increase my anxiety levels.
> > >
> > > I'm a bit concerned my Doc prescribed Zispin as I've had eating disorders and issues regarding my weight in the past, and also issues with sleep, I sleep fine, if anything excessively to shut myself off from the misery of the depression.
> > >
> > > I rang my Doc about the side effects and he reduced my dose to 15mg every night or every other night, but I've read that the daytime drowsiness is usually helped by increasing the dose? Can anyone shed any light on this?
> > > Do these side effects go away?
> > > Even today after not having a pill last night, I still feel spaced out, sluggish, I wouldn't attempt driving and I'm angry and irritable at absolutely everything.
> > >
> > > Worst of all my depression feels 100% worse, I feel borderline clinically depressed, whereas I only felt mildly depressed to start.
> > >
> > > What should I do?
> > > My Doc says to stick it out a bit longer, any advice greatfully appreciated.
> > >
> >
> > I'd go with 15mg for a while until you get use to it. It took me about a month to stop sleeping 12 hours. 30mg to me seemed to make me sleep even longer. Now I take 30mg at night with my 225mg of Efexor & I have a great 8 hours sleep.
> >
> > If you need this to work in a hurry you could try 45mg to see if the stimulating affects kick in. They didn't for me. When you say you have a weight problem is it too much or too little?
> > What kind of depression do you have?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panda.
> >

> Thank you, my depression has been mild to severe, on and off pretty much all my life, usually circumstance related, I had a rough childhood, my Mum died when I was 15 and since it's just been a catalogue of events that I just haven't been strong enough to deal, with although I get stronger with each experience. I had a spell when I was a little younger where I turned to food for comfort and it became a bit of an obsession, I over-ate compulsively, and got in to the starve-binge-feelguilty cycle, I once went a week without food and lost 7lbs, then put it all back on all in one binge! At the moment my weight is healthy but obviously I don't want to go down that road again.
> At the moment my depression is stress related, so much going on around me and I can't cope, I feel so weak, I don't have children, but it's the one thing I'm looking forward to, but I'm not sure I could cope, but I'm determined to get myself well enough for when I have them. What about you? what's your depression like?
>
>

Where you having any trouble falling asleep?

Remeron/Zispin/Avanza is a mild anti-depressant that is great for sleep & can help reduce anxiety. I side effect that some people get is increased appetite. I have the same comfort food problem, but Zispin has made no difference to my appetite. I suffer from atypical depression.

Zispin can have a reduction in the amount drowsiness buy increasing the dose, but this doesn't work for all people. I would recommend going down to 7.5 or 15mg for awhile until you can take 30. You could try going straight to 45 but I wouldn't recommend trying that until the weekend incase it knocks you out for 24 hours.

Zispin is a relatively harmless drug, you could take the whole box & it would cause less harm than a box of tylenol. In contrast Dothiepin that you have taken in the past is known to be twice as dangerous in overdose as any other of it's tricyclic realtives.

Cheers,
Panda.

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by Lisalashes on February 4, 2004, at 5:08:34

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone? » Lisalashes, posted by Sad Panda on February 4, 2004, at 0:56:52

> > > > I started Zispin 30mg (Remeron) for depression on Sunday and went in to what can only be described as a'zombified state' about an hour after. I slept for 16 hours, and couldn't go to work yesterday.
> > > > On getting up to get ready for work I thought I'd be ok, but I couldn't even co-ordinate myself to do the simplest things. I felt heavily drugged, my speech was slurred, It felt like I wasn't even on this planet.
> > > > I've had Dothiepin, Prozac and Effexor in the past, I've found Prozac to be the most effective for my symptoms, although they do slightly increase my anxiety levels.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a bit concerned my Doc prescribed Zispin as I've had eating disorders and issues regarding my weight in the past, and also issues with sleep, I sleep fine, if anything excessively to shut myself off from the misery of the depression.
> > > >
> > > > I rang my Doc about the side effects and he reduced my dose to 15mg every night or every other night, but I've read that the daytime drowsiness is usually helped by increasing the dose? Can anyone shed any light on this?
> > > > Do these side effects go away?
> > > > Even today after not having a pill last night, I still feel spaced out, sluggish, I wouldn't attempt driving and I'm angry and irritable at absolutely everything.
> > > >
> > > > Worst of all my depression feels 100% worse, I feel borderline clinically depressed, whereas I only felt mildly depressed to start.
> > > >
> > > > What should I do?
> > > > My Doc says to stick it out a bit longer, any advice greatfully appreciated.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'd go with 15mg for a while until you get use to it. It took me about a month to stop sleeping 12 hours. 30mg to me seemed to make me sleep even longer. Now I take 30mg at night with my 225mg of Efexor & I have a great 8 hours sleep.
> > >
> > > If you need this to work in a hurry you could try 45mg to see if the stimulating affects kick in. They didn't for me. When you say you have a weight problem is it too much or too little?
> > > What kind of depression do you have?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Panda.
> > >
>
> > Thank you, my depression has been mild to severe, on and off pretty much all my life, usually circumstance related, I had a rough childhood, my Mum died when I was 15 and since it's just been a catalogue of events that I just haven't been strong enough to deal, with although I get stronger with each experience. I had a spell when I was a little younger where I turned to food for comfort and it became a bit of an obsession, I over-ate compulsively, and got in to the starve-binge-feelguilty cycle, I once went a week without food and lost 7lbs, then put it all back on all in one binge! At the moment my weight is healthy but obviously I don't want to go down that road again.
> > At the moment my depression is stress related, so much going on around me and I can't cope, I feel so weak, I don't have children, but it's the one thing I'm looking forward to, but I'm not sure I could cope, but I'm determined to get myself well enough for when I have them. What about you? what's your depression like?
> >
> >
>
> Where you having any trouble falling asleep?
>
> Remeron/Zispin/Avanza is a mild anti-depressant that is great for sleep & can help reduce anxiety. I side effect that some people get is increased appetite. I have the same comfort food problem, but Zispin has made no difference to my appetite. I suffer from atypical depression.
>
> Zispin can have a reduction in the amount drowsiness buy increasing the dose, but this doesn't work for all people. I would recommend going down to 7.5 or 15mg for awhile until you can take 30. You could try going straight to 45 but I wouldn't recommend trying that until the weekend incase it knocks you out for 24 hours.
>
> Zispin is a relatively harmless drug, you could take the whole box & it would cause less harm than a box of tylenol. In contrast Dothiepin that you have taken in the past is known to be twice as dangerous in overdose as any other of it's tricyclic realtives.
>
> Cheers,
> Panda.
>
Thank you, you've been really helpful, it's quite scary when you take a new drug and don't really know anything about it, especially when I felt the way I did after just 1! My Doc hasn't used it much, so I was a bit of a guinea pig, if he'd have just warned me about the initial side effects, I would have probably (a)not been as freaked out, and (b) started at the weekend! I've hardly ever had trouble sleeping, when I feel depressed I sleep more.

Sorry to sound really ignorant, what is 'atypical depression' I have read books on depression but never heard that term before.

Thanks again for your advice, I haven't taken any since that 1, (SUN) and I'm just starting to feel back on the planet again! So whatever I decide I'll wait till the weekend!!!
>

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by crazychickuk on February 4, 2004, at 7:02:33

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by Lisalashes on February 4, 2004, at 5:08:34

HI again, other ssri's for me sent me to manic raised my bp and my hrt rate, i kind of like remeron, i think it has helped me alot with my anxiety..... the first time i took it, i felt so relaxed, so so so so relaxed.... you will be just fine.. stick with it.. stick with 15mg for the week, just go with the flow..... if you feel you are to tired raise the dose to 30mg....
Good luck

Donna

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by Lisalashes on February 4, 2004, at 8:05:43

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by crazychickuk on February 4, 2004, at 7:02:33

> HI again, other ssri's for me sent me to manic raised my bp and my hrt rate, i kind of like remeron, i think it has helped me alot with my anxiety..... the first time i took it, i felt so relaxed, so so so so relaxed.... you will be just fine.. stick with it.. stick with 15mg for the week, just go with the flow..... if you feel you are to tired raise the dose to 30mg....
> Good luck
>
> Donna


Thank you, your advice is really appreciated. Glad to hear you are feeling better, and you've found something that helps.
All the best
Lisa

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by Lisalashes on February 4, 2004, at 11:01:52

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone? » Lisalashes, posted by Sad Panda on February 4, 2004, at 0:56:52

Hello guys
I've just been out of the house for the first time in 3 days since I took that first Remeron tab.
I'd started to feel back to normal, but while I was doing the shopping the phone rang, it was my Husband to see how I was feeling. I came over very light headed, and couldn't say much to him, I could tell he was worried, I was so out of it, but I could hardly speak, I felt like I was going to pass out.

Then, as I was walking round, I felt a rage brewing inside me, I just wanted to get out of there, I've never felt like that before. I came home as quick as I could, although I felt very unfit to drive and unloaded the car.
I felt like I was stoned.
The dogs were getting under my feet as they usually do, and this anger just came from nowhere, I was screaming and shouting, I totally lost it, it was scary, then I just cried and cried. I'm also really paranoid.

This is all since the Remeron, these symptoms aren't typical of my depression.
Is this normal?

Also, I've noticed I'm having trouble passing water since I took it, no ankle swelling yet though, anyone else?

I feel like I've been on a really bad trip, does this go away? I'm starting to think these might not be right for me, and even if they are I don't know if I can go through a fortnight or more of this, and I couldn't go to work like this.

I think my episode has passed now, but similar things were happening frequently yesterday.

Starting to feel desperate, any ideas?


 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by Jeffrey on February 4, 2004, at 13:37:54

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by Lisalashes on February 4, 2004, at 11:01:52

> Hello guys
> I've just been out of the house for the first time in 3 days since I took that first Remeron tab.
> I'd started to feel back to normal, but while I was doing the shopping the phone rang, it was my Husband to see how I was feeling. I came over very light headed, and couldn't say much to him, I could tell he was worried, I was so out of it, but I could hardly speak, I felt like I was going to pass out.
>
> Then, as I was walking round, I felt a rage brewing inside me, I just wanted to get out of there, I've never felt like that before. I came home as quick as I could, although I felt very unfit to drive and unloaded the car.
> I felt like I was stoned.
> The dogs were getting under my feet as they usually do, and this anger just came from nowhere, I was screaming and shouting, I totally lost it, it was scary, then I just cried and cried. I'm also really paranoid.
>
> This is all since the Remeron, these symptoms aren't typical of my depression.
> Is this normal?
>
> Also, I've noticed I'm having trouble passing water since I took it, no ankle swelling yet though, anyone else?
>
> I feel like I've been on a really bad trip, does this go away? I'm starting to think these might not be right for me, and even if they are I don't know if I can go through a fortnight or more of this, and I couldn't go to work like this.
>
> I think my episode has passed now, but similar things were happening frequently yesterday.
>
> Starting to feel desperate, any ideas?
>
>
> I had the same experience on Remeron. I have had some success with effexor, celexa and zoloft and the benzos for anxiety. I took 30mg for 3 days. I felt lik a zombie. I couldnt think straight and was really out of it. I told my docter I could not continue. It was very firghtening at the time but the stoned and irritable feeling went away after about 4 days off the remeron. I am of the belief that unless you are desperate, do not continute with Remeron. Best wishes to you. Let me know if you have any other questions on my terrible Remeron experience.

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?

Posted by crazychickuk on February 4, 2004, at 15:35:37

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by Jeffrey on February 4, 2004, at 13:37:54

IF you look right back you will see my post when i started the remeron, i was coming out in rages, i thing it is just all the depression built up and then you let off steam, it did pass after the first 7 days... please give it a go!! It passed with me and loads of others....

Love Donna

 

Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone? » Lisalashes

Posted by Sad Panda on February 5, 2004, at 4:25:45

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by Lisalashes on February 4, 2004, at 5:08:34

> > > > > I started Zispin 30mg (Remeron) for depression on Sunday and went in to what can only be described as a'zombified state' about an hour after. I slept for 16 hours, and couldn't go to work yesterday.
> > > > > On getting up to get ready for work I thought I'd be ok, but I couldn't even co-ordinate myself to do the simplest things. I felt heavily drugged, my speech was slurred, It felt like I wasn't even on this planet.
> > > > > I've had Dothiepin, Prozac and Effexor in the past, I've found Prozac to be the most effective for my symptoms, although they do slightly increase my anxiety levels.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a bit concerned my Doc prescribed Zispin as I've had eating disorders and issues regarding my weight in the past, and also issues with sleep, I sleep fine, if anything excessively to shut myself off from the misery of the depression.
> > > > >
> > > > > I rang my Doc about the side effects and he reduced my dose to 15mg every night or every other night, but I've read that the daytime drowsiness is usually helped by increasing the dose? Can anyone shed any light on this?
> > > > > Do these side effects go away?
> > > > > Even today after not having a pill last night, I still feel spaced out, sluggish, I wouldn't attempt driving and I'm angry and irritable at absolutely everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > Worst of all my depression feels 100% worse, I feel borderline clinically depressed, whereas I only felt mildly depressed to start.
> > > > >
> > > > > What should I do?
> > > > > My Doc says to stick it out a bit longer, any advice greatfully appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd go with 15mg for a while until you get use to it. It took me about a month to stop sleeping 12 hours. 30mg to me seemed to make me sleep even longer. Now I take 30mg at night with my 225mg of Efexor & I have a great 8 hours sleep.
> > > >
> > > > If you need this to work in a hurry you could try 45mg to see if the stimulating affects kick in. They didn't for me. When you say you have a weight problem is it too much or too little?
> > > > What kind of depression do you have?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Panda.
> > > >
> >
> > > Thank you, my depression has been mild to severe, on and off pretty much all my life, usually circumstance related, I had a rough childhood, my Mum died when I was 15 and since it's just been a catalogue of events that I just haven't been strong enough to deal, with although I get stronger with each experience. I had a spell when I was a little younger where I turned to food for comfort and it became a bit of an obsession, I over-ate compulsively, and got in to the starve-binge-feelguilty cycle, I once went a week without food and lost 7lbs, then put it all back on all in one binge! At the moment my weight is healthy but obviously I don't want to go down that road again.
> > > At the moment my depression is stress related, so much going on around me and I can't cope, I feel so weak, I don't have children, but it's the one thing I'm looking forward to, but I'm not sure I could cope, but I'm determined to get myself well enough for when I have them. What about you? what's your depression like?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Where you having any trouble falling asleep?
> >
> > Remeron/Zispin/Avanza is a mild anti-depressant that is great for sleep & can help reduce anxiety. I side effect that some people get is increased appetite. I have the same comfort food problem, but Zispin has made no difference to my appetite. I suffer from atypical depression.
> >
> > Zispin can have a reduction in the amount drowsiness buy increasing the dose, but this doesn't work for all people. I would recommend going down to 7.5 or 15mg for awhile until you can take 30. You could try going straight to 45 but I wouldn't recommend trying that until the weekend incase it knocks you out for 24 hours.
> >
> > Zispin is a relatively harmless drug, you could take the whole box & it would cause less harm than a box of tylenol. In contrast Dothiepin that you have taken in the past is known to be twice as dangerous in overdose as any other of it's tricyclic realtives.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Panda.
> >
> Thank you, you've been really helpful, it's quite scary when you take a new drug and don't really know anything about it, especially when I felt the way I did after just 1! My Doc hasn't used it much, so I was a bit of a guinea pig, if he'd have just warned me about the initial side effects, I would have probably (a)not been as freaked out, and (b) started at the weekend! I've hardly ever had trouble sleeping, when I feel depressed I sleep more.
>
> Sorry to sound really ignorant, what is 'atypical depression' I have read books on depression but never heard that term before.
>
> Thanks again for your advice, I haven't taken any since that 1, (SUN) and I'm just starting to feel back on the planet again! So whatever I decide I'll wait till the weekend!!!
> >
>
>

Atypical Depression is characterized by oversleeping(hypersomnia) & overeating(hyperphagia).
Melancholic Depression is characterized by undersleeping(insomnia) & lack of appetite.

Initially, Remeron is extremely sedating, but you get use to it. I spent along time at 15mg & had trouble getting to 30mg because it cause me to becoming irritable, but I finally got over it. Remeron makes you sleep forever when you 1st start taking it, but after awhile it improved my sleep & reduced me down to a solid 8 hours & I awake refreshed. Before Remeron I use to take hours to get to sleep, sleep far to long & wake up feeling like hell. Now my sleep is better than it has ever been in my whole life. :)

Remeron is not usually a first choice anti-depressant drug. I would have tried you on Zoloft first or Prozac if it had worked for you in the past. My anti-depressant is Efexor, Remeron was added later to boost Efexor.

If you are going to stick to Remeron stay at 15mg for a week, increase it to 22.5 for a week & then go to 30mg.

Cheers,
Panda.


 

Re: Remeron » Lisalashes

Posted by Questionmark on February 6, 2004, at 14:41:33

In reply to Re: Are Remeron side effects this bad for everyone?, posted by Lisalashes on February 4, 2004, at 11:01:52

> Hello guys
> I've just been out of the house for the first time in 3 days since I took that first Remeron tab.
> I'd started to feel back to normal, but while I was doing the shopping the phone rang, it was my Husband to see how I was feeling. I came over very light headed, and couldn't say much to him, I could tell he was worried, I was so out of it, but I could hardly speak, I felt like I was going to pass out.
>
> Then, as I was walking round, I felt a rage brewing inside me, I just wanted to get out of there, I've never felt like that before. I came home as quick as I could, although I felt very unfit to drive and unloaded the car.
> I felt like I was stoned.
> The dogs were getting under my feet as they usually do, and this anger just came from nowhere, I was screaming and shouting, I totally lost it, it was scary, then I just cried and cried. I'm also really paranoid.
>
> This is all since the Remeron, these symptoms aren't typical of my depression.
> Is this normal?
>
> Also, I've noticed I'm having trouble passing water since I took it, no ankle swelling yet though, anyone else?
>
> I feel like I've been on a really bad trip, does this go away? I'm starting to think these might not be right for me, and even if they are I don't know if I can go through a fortnight or more of this, and I couldn't go to work like this.
>
> I think my episode has passed now, but similar things were happening frequently yesterday.
>
> Starting to feel desperate, any ideas?

Your irritable rage is not uncommon with Remeron-- or in my experience with any antihistamine for that matter, but espECIally with Remeron, because it is so goshdamn antihistaminic. It's like you're too freaking paralyzed with fatigue to feel like dealing with anything, and so the most minute nuisance will tick you the **** off. Oh i can't stand that feeling. Apparently many say the antihistaminic side effects (extreme drowsiness and irritability-- though not the appetite increase, typically) diminish after awhile. But i was on about 15mg for a month and they were still hORRible. Maybe increasing the dose does actually counteract this well, but i did not want to do that & don't think it would have worked for me that well anyway.

 

Re: Remeron

Posted by Lisalashes on February 8, 2004, at 11:31:12

In reply to Re: Remeron » Lisalashes, posted by Questionmark on February 6, 2004, at 14:41:33

Hi guys, thanks for all your posts, and sharing with me your experiences, I've not had access to the net for very long, if I ever tried anything new before I just got on with it, but I have found this to be soooo helpful, thanks again.

Was very reluctant to take another zispin (remeron) and pondered for hours over it afer reading through all your posts, the big dilemma being, not so much whether to take any more, but what dosage, as so many of you had conflicting experiences of each dosage.

My GP's advice was to try 15mg, others were to try 45mg or more, I think my decision to try 15mg came down to my brain being taught over many years that when you have more of something, you experience the effects more, I don't think I could get my head around the take more, feel less thing!!!!!

Anyway, I was prepared to be open-minded, and to experiment, if 15 was no good, I would try 45. I've started this now, and to give up without trying would mean I'd always be wondering. With so many people having such varying experiences I was a little curious as to what it could to for/to me.

Sooo, last night I slashed one of my 'wobbly eggs' in half and took 15mg, at about 11:30, about the time I'd normally go to bed. Didn't feel any different at all.

Could have got up at about 10, but it is Sunday so lazed in bed till 1ish, (This is not at all unusual for me!) Noticed while lazing, I felt quite nice, very relaxed, not quite as anxious as usual. A couple of times I wanted to get up, but it felt like quite an effort, staying there and enjoying the nice feeling was a much better option. Nose a bit stuffy unusually, but not too bad.

Getting up was a bit different, I felt that rage again, took me about an hour and a half to come round. VERY IRRATIBLE and cranky, even speaking was FAR TOOOOOOO MUCH effort!
Don't feel drowsy, but not very energetic either, but then again I haven't tried to do anything! just lazed around all day! My whole body feels very relaxed and nice when I'm sat still, but when I move it feels SOOOOOO Heavy.

Thinking about food slightly more than usual, but not enough to worry me at this stage, noticed when I do eat, food tastes nicer than usual, almost heavenly! Craving rich tasty fattening foods, it's kind of like the craving you have for a bacon & egg sarnie after a night on the pop!

The irritability has subsided, so I've warned my Husband to just stay well back first thing in the morning!

My back, neck and shoulders are very heavy and tight, and have been for a few of days, not had that before, not sure what's causing it, so I'll keep an eye on that.

All in all, a much more pleasant experience with 15mg, definately going to stick at it for a while, I'll keep you posted as to how I get on with it...........watch this space

Thanks again.

Lisa


 

Re: Remeron » Lisalashes

Posted by Sad Panda on February 9, 2004, at 0:57:50

In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by Lisalashes on February 8, 2004, at 11:31:12

> Hi guys, thanks for all your posts, and sharing with me your experiences, I've not had access to the net for very long, if I ever tried anything new before I just got on with it, but I have found this to be soooo helpful, thanks again.
>
> Was very reluctant to take another zispin (remeron) and pondered for hours over it afer reading through all your posts, the big dilemma being, not so much whether to take any more, but what dosage, as so many of you had conflicting experiences of each dosage.
>
> My GP's advice was to try 15mg, others were to try 45mg or more, I think my decision to try 15mg came down to my brain being taught over many years that when you have more of something, you experience the effects more, I don't think I could get my head around the take more, feel less thing!!!!!
>
> Anyway, I was prepared to be open-minded, and to experiment, if 15 was no good, I would try 45. I've started this now, and to give up without trying would mean I'd always be wondering. With so many people having such varying experiences I was a little curious as to what it could to for/to me.
>
> Sooo, last night I slashed one of my 'wobbly eggs' in half and took 15mg, at about 11:30, about the time I'd normally go to bed. Didn't feel any different at all.
>
> Could have got up at about 10, but it is Sunday so lazed in bed till 1ish, (This is not at all unusual for me!) Noticed while lazing, I felt quite nice, very relaxed, not quite as anxious as usual. A couple of times I wanted to get up, but it felt like quite an effort, staying there and enjoying the nice feeling was a much better option. Nose a bit stuffy unusually, but not too bad.
>
> Getting up was a bit different, I felt that rage again, took me about an hour and a half to come round. VERY IRRATIBLE and cranky, even speaking was FAR TOOOOOOO MUCH effort!
> Don't feel drowsy, but not very energetic either, but then again I haven't tried to do anything! just lazed around all day! My whole body feels very relaxed and nice when I'm sat still, but when I move it feels SOOOOOO Heavy.
>
> Thinking about food slightly more than usual, but not enough to worry me at this stage, noticed when I do eat, food tastes nicer than usual, almost heavenly! Craving rich tasty fattening foods, it's kind of like the craving you have for a bacon & egg sarnie after a night on the pop!
>
> The irritability has subsided, so I've warned my Husband to just stay well back first thing in the morning!
>
> My back, neck and shoulders are very heavy and tight, and have been for a few of days, not had that before, not sure what's causing it, so I'll keep an eye on that.
>
> All in all, a much more pleasant experience with 15mg, definately going to stick at it for a while, I'll keep you posted as to how I get on with it...........watch this space
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Lisa
>
>

Starting at 30mg or 45mg reduces the drowsiness & appetitie side effects. Some people can handle it, some can't. I originally started at 15mg because I only wanted to use it as a sleeping tablet. I had extreme irritability when increasing from 15mg to 30mg, takes about a week to subside. It's caused by the increase in Noradrenaline activity. When you increase I would recommend breaking the pills into quarters & taking 22.5mg for a week. Increased appetite is caused by Anti-Histamine activity & may or may not subside.

Cheers,
Panda.


 

Re: Remeron

Posted by PoohBear on February 9, 2004, at 10:17:15

In reply to Re: Remeron » Lisalashes, posted by Questionmark on February 6, 2004, at 14:41:33

I'm one of those who was taking Remeron for sleep, but had to stop because of weight gain. My PDoc knew it might be an issue and we ramped up to 60mg within a week, but eventually had to drop it as food just tasted tooooo good.

This last weekend I tried an experiment, as I'd been sick with a head/chest cold all week and absolutely, positively needed to get some major sleep. I used my pill splitter to cut one of my remaining 30mg Remeron tabs to 15mg and the again to 7.5mg. I then took that dose each night with my Topamax and it worked like a charm: uninterrupted sleep for 8-10 hours; just what the doctor ordered.

I think I'll keep this under wraps for those times when I absolutely need it, as the weight gain (especially at lower doseages) for me is too much to take...

Good luck!

Tony


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