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Re: New here and sharing a bit lamajama

Posted by lamajama on November 20, 2003, at 20:03:59

In reply to Re: New here and sharing a bit lamajama, posted by cubbybear on November 18, 2003, at 1:21:48

> > Knowing what I know now about Klonopin I would have never gone on the drug. I can't get off of it. I wouldn't recommend anyone taking it. I take 2 mg. Every time I try to decrease, my body really feels the slightest bit of the change in dosage. I am very sensetive to drugs, so I am sure other people will react differently. Good luck.
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> Now, hang in there, let's make sure we're talking on the same wavelength. What you say is the "slightest bit" might actually be a significant amount. I remember, as an Eastern transplant to L.A., I used to get a rise out of hearing a co-worker say that it had cooled off outside when the temperature went down to a high of 88 from a high of 90 the day before.
> What is the "slightest amount" for you? Are you using a pill cutter with .5 mg tabs and splitting them into quarters, so you get .125 mg. pieces? Or are you simply breaking the 2 mg. piece in half to get a 1 mg. piece. If it's the latter, you're going to get a nasty reaction. But if you are taking the .5 mg tabs, try cutting the way I mentioned and see what happens. If you're still experiencing painful withdrawal this way, a good pdoc should be able to make a recommendation. I've read on this board that there might be a liquid form of Klonopin that would enable you to make infinitesimal reductions. Try checking this out. I hope all works out better for you.
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Well, I tried cutting back from 2mg. to 1 1/2 mg. I was alright for the first couple of weeks, but found myself getting more and more irritable. I know it was because I wasn't sleeping as well and I was also feeling some withdrawals. I am back up to 2 mg. and will try to cut down to 1.75mg. My doc gave me 2 mg. tabs and it is impossible right now to cut it the way I need it. I just wonder what life would be like without Klonopin! Thanks for the advice.

 

Re: New here and sharing a bit » lamajama

Posted by cubbybear on November 20, 2003, at 23:28:34

In reply to Re: New here and sharing a bit lamajama, posted by lamajama on November 20, 2003, at 20:03:59

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> Well, I tried cutting back from 2mg. to 1 1/2 mg. I was alright for the first couple of weeks, but found myself getting more and more irritable. I know it was because I wasn't sleeping as well and I was also feeling some withdrawals. I am back up to 2 mg. and will try to cut down to 1.75mg. My doc gave me 2 mg. tabs and it is impossible right now to cut it the way I need it. I just wonder what life would be like without Klonopin! Thanks for the advice.

Yes, you made too drastic a decrease--from 2 mg. to 1.50. If you run into problems at 1.75, you'll have to make even smaller cuts, as I said before. Those white 2 mg. pills can never be cut to yield the fractions you'll need. You've got to convert to 1 mg. pills or better yet, work with the .5 mg size.
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Re: Sorry I posted shadows721

Posted by 13beans on December 14, 2003, at 18:25:21

In reply to Sorry I posted, posted by shadows721 on September 3, 2003, at 2:09:24

I just jumped in here today, I know your original post was a long time ago, but I have been scouring the entire net trying to find someone that could help me in my search for others going through terrible withdrawals from klonopin. I myself suffered from a few I read in one of your posts, including the hallucinations...wow, how horrible!! I am now trying to help my mother who recently tried to commit SUICIDE from the physical pain she is suffering from. (She has POTS, which most is just now starting to be acknowledged by a handful of physicians and is a degenerative disease.) The trouble is that now that she is trying to get off of the klonopin which no longer works for her and affects her heart rate and blood pressure (a bad thing for people with "P.O.T.S."...I am very worried about her now because of her history. Her pain is even worse (she has terrible muscle pain in her legs that have almost sent her to the e/r. ...) now that she is tapering off of the klonopin. She is now having a lot of problems with her vision including blurry of vision and high sensitivity to light, dizziness and ringing in her ears and severe panic attacks. If you happen to get this, could you please reply and let me know what your withdrawals were like and if they included anything I mentioned? I hope you are doing better now. The message you posted was beautiful and well put. I really hope to hear from you.

 

Re: Sorry I posted

Posted by Girl1969 on December 15, 2003, at 13:14:45

In reply to Re: Sorry I posted shadows721, posted by 13beans on December 14, 2003, at 18:25:21

Just wanted to wish you and your mother well. I, too, suffered tremendous withdrawal after coming off of klonopin and my heart goes out to you. It took me 6 months to feel normal again, but I hope it takes less time for your mother.


Best wishes...

 

Re: Sorry I posted

Posted by 13beans on December 15, 2003, at 14:07:21

In reply to Re: Sorry I posted, posted by Girl1969 on December 15, 2003, at 13:14:45

Thank you for responding, glad to hear that you are doing better. The experience, while going through it can only be compared to a horror movie or novel. I can't believe that so many doctors are so willing to keep doling them out, without telling you the risks involved. It's not like they "don't know"!! (Gee, there wouldn't be any money issues involved would there??) BIG BUSINESS, pharmaceuticals!! There as bad as the tobacco industry if you ask me. Sorry, I know I will offend many people here, but something needs to be done about this. I've lived it and it's just plain WRONG that something like this can happen to someone with no warning!! Take care all.

 

Re: Sorry I posted

Posted by shadows721 on December 18, 2003, at 19:03:54

In reply to Re: Sorry I posted shadows721, posted by 13beans on December 14, 2003, at 18:25:21

It took me 3 yrs to get off Klonopin. I am going to give you a brief trial and error of years on and off Klonopin.

I had every symptom your mother had and then some. I tried to get off this drug 3x. The first time was in the hospital by a physican. No klonopin and lets see what happens game. Within 3 days, the painful knife convulsions game started. I jumped like crazy with every sound that I heard. I hallucinated ants. When I closed my eyes, I was talking to people I didn't know. All that stopped with another administration of the klonopin. It scared the Hell out of me.

The 2nd time a doc tried to get me off the Klonopin, it was switch Klonopin for tranxene game. I saw the ants again, itched like bugs all over me. I heard loud voices in my ears. Doc said you will be clear of Klonopin withdrawals in 6 weeks. Not so!!! My hands shook uncontrollable. I couldn't feed myself. I was paranoid. Finally, I emotionally and physically crashed 2 weeks into the 6 weeks. I got uncontrollably homicidal and suicidal in very violent ways. I literally saw everything in a dark cloud. I felt like 15 pounds were sitting on my head. I was praying to die. I was losing reality of what was really going on. I checked myself into a hospital and they just put me back on klonopin right away.

After I got out of the psych hospital, I decided I am not going to be a prisoner to a benzo. I decided to fight for my body and mind back. I was not going to thru live feeling the numbed out feeling that I had on Klonopin. Yes, it helped me stop shaking (for which I was originally prescribed), but I paid a HIGH price. It felt like a deal with the devil. I started to deal with the real issues behind the anxiety and depression. They were very ugly. Sadistic Sexual abuse and life threatening beatings long time ago came up out of no where. Klonopin covered it all up very well. I never had any memories on Klonopin, because Klonopin suppressed them. In the beginning, I slept for 10 hrs a night when I was on it. I had the beauty of a drug that got rid of my unfounded anxiety. Wow, isn't that wonderful. But, there was a very ugly truth that I didn't know. I was a total slave to the drug and I didn't even know it. When I tried over and over again to get off this drug, I did feel totally dependent on it.

When I found that out, I researched all I could on anxiety/depression and benzo's. As you can imagine, I went thru several docs to get me off this stuff. None of them helped me. My body was the ultimate boss. It said it doesn't take 1 day or 6 weeks. It takes 3 long years. None of the docs I saw were qualified to get me off of this highly physically dependent drug. I was telling one doc all the troubles I was having getting off this stuff and he said, "I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT KLONOPIN IS CAUSING ALL THESE SYMPTOMS. KLONOPIN IS SAFER THAN BAYER ASPIRIN." With that ignorance in mind, I did the taper with a pill cutter and bottles of Kava Kava. I had years of pain and I found out my will to live free of this med.

For any of those who are experiencing the likes of what I went thru, educate yourself like a chemist on this med. Don't listen to people who don't understand or give you support. This drug is very serious stuff. Perhaps, I was in the minority of those who get physically dependent on the drug very quickly. I sure hope so. I don't want anyone to go thru what I did. My head hurt so bad that I thought it was going to explode.

I don't in anyway think this med is bad. I think it has a place in medicine. It is very useful. I had a horrible experience, but I learned a lesson. I couldn't trust what a doc told me as law. I had to become very educated on any med that I took. I had to know myself and listen to what the body said no matter what.

Klonopin quit working for me at a certain dosage and the dosage kept climbing up. I could have stayed at the initial dosage but I wasn't having that artifical wonderful world anymore of no anxiety. Sometimes, in my case, the fear was leading me to the truth about my history and self. It was a lesson not many really want to go to. It was so easy to just take a pill and think all is well. It wasn't my ultimate truth. I found out that I was far more than I even understood. I ultimately discovered who I really was. I was person in a great deal of pain for damn good reasons.

I have determined everyone has very different experiences with their meds. Some don't go thru what I did. Praise be it for them. But those that do suffer - REMEMBER, YOU ARE NOT ALONE IN THIS BATTLE. KEEP SEEKING THE TRUTH AND DO WHAT YOUR BODY SAYS. IT IS THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY.

 

Re: Sorry I posted-currently

Posted by shadows721 on December 18, 2003, at 20:36:51

In reply to Re: Sorry I posted shadows721, posted by 13beans on December 14, 2003, at 18:25:21

I still am off the Klonopin. I take a 5 mg of Lexapro, 60 mg of buspar and occasionally neurontin. I am still in therapy and still having flashbacks from my childhood. I have the shakes still and working with a new neurologist.

I am so sorry your Mom is going thru a really hard time. It takes time to to get off of Klonopin and the depression can worsen when you are getting of it too fast. I know it did for me. There was no getting off quick method for me. Her body will determine how slow to go.

 

How I tapered off of Klonopin

Posted by shadows721 on December 18, 2003, at 21:31:46

In reply to Re: Sorry I posted-currently, posted by shadows721 on December 18, 2003, at 20:36:51

I took the pill cutter and cut a 1mg pill into quarters. I wouldn't take off any more than a quarter off at a time. This went on for several months for me, because it was how I could tolerate it. Eventually, I worked it up to every other day. Essentually, I worked off only 1 quarter off a pill for several months. If the anxiety rebounded too much I would increase that quarter or take Kava Kava. I never had any bad effects with Kava Kava. It really took that edge off. Don't take Kava Kava if you have liver problems and don't take extreme dosages. Take a very low dose and see how you tolerate it. Personally, I always have benadryl handy for any symptom of allergic reactions (itching, rashes, severe headache, difficulty breathing). I have a history of being allergic to many medications.

It seemed like the last half of a pill was the worst and I don't know why. I literally set a schedule for myself to the tapering. There was no fast way for me. When I didn't meet the goal,I didn't beat myself up. I would have to bounce up by a quarter of 1mg pill to help on the worst days.

I didn't suffer from the ill effects from the previous ill fated attempts to get off like hallucinations, pains, convulsions, nausea, ringing in the ears, seeing ants, feeling worms crawling on my skin and suicide dreams as I did the docs ways. My body said it was going to fast when my gums hurt, horrible headaches, and increasing anxiety/depression. I always cut down by 1 quarter of a pill. For example:

Time length: A month
One quarter off a pill down on Mondays.
Tues, Wed, Thurs, and Friday (full dose).
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Time length: Couple of months (As tolerated)
One quarter off a pill down on Monday and Friday.
Tues, Wed, Thurs, Sat & Sunday (full dose).
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Time length: Couple of months (As tolerated)
One quarter off a pill down on Monday, Wed, and Friday
Tues, Thurs, Sat, and Sunday (full dose).
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Time length: Couple of months (As tolerated)
One quarter off a pill down on Monday, Wed, Friday and Sun
Full dose on Tues, Thurs, and Sat
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Time length: Couple of months (As tolerated)
One quarter off a pill down on Monday, Tues, Wed,Friday, and Sunday
Full dose on Thurs and Sat

Eventually, I got to where I was taking 1 quarter off a pill the whole week. Then, I started again with half a pill on so on. It may seem extremely slow to some, but this is how I safely got off of Klonopin. Your cue is how you tolerate the tapering. If you are getting more uncomfortable symptoms, slow down. There may be better ways than mine, but this worked for me. An antidepressant can help ease the pain of tapering too. My policy: There are no awards here on Earth for needless suffering.

 

Re: After shocks of trauma shadows721

Posted by nobodyz on January 5, 2004, at 1:34:35

In reply to After shocks of trauma, posted by shadows721 on September 4, 2003, at 23:29:03

"I see things move in the corner of my sight all the time. I find I tend to self rock a lot too when under great stress. I am extremely jumpy with sounds or touch. Just can not handle watching much of what is on tv either. These are just some of the aftermath of trauma for me."

I just want to say I have Complex PTSD and am currently off Klonopin for 3 months. I am having a very hard time dealing with things with no medication and am ready to throw in the towel and go back on. Despite the difficult posts with misunderstandings re: "addiction" etc, the entire thread proved extremely consoling to me as this is exactly what I am experiencing. And the clincher was reading the above quoted post; I now know at least one other person has the "things moving in the corner of their sight" going on and it is quite possible that is due to my PTSD being in an agitated state (well, that would be it's natural state, wouldn't it? LOL) Thank you all, so much for writing.

 

Re: How I tapered off of Klonopin shadows721

Posted by nobodyz on January 5, 2004, at 1:48:38

In reply to How I tapered off of Klonopin, posted by shadows721 on December 18, 2003, at 21:31:46

Wow, I like that policy: "There are no awards here on Earth for needless suffering."

I find it true for me as well but something I needed to be reminded about. For me it's a matter of remembering that my baseline anxiety level is quite high and that going off Klonopin is not as clear cut as I think it is. I'm sure it's different for everyone, as most meds affect people differently. I have been on Klonopin for many years at a very low dose (.5 mg 1-2x day) then went off it 3 months ago concurrently with going onto neurontin (which proved to be a bad move for me). That was when I discovered there is a basic anxiety I have that Klonopin withdrawl is NOT responsible for at all. It's a difficult thing for me to accept, but I'm hoping that I get it right this time. Thanks for the invaluable info, as I may need it someday.

 

Re: How I tapered off of Klonopin

Posted by rutt on January 6, 2004, at 16:48:51

In reply to Re: How I tapered off of Klonopin (nm), posted by rutt on January 6, 2004, at 3:03:29

HI everyone,
I've been trying the 10% reduction method mentioned in various sources. The method states that it is reasonable to ween off klonopin(and other benzo's)by reducing the dosage 10% every week or two.
I was originally taking 2mg of klonopin a day, but quickly cut down to 1.5mg a day because I was afraid of becoming dependant. The psychiatrist I was seeing said he was under treating me due to the severity of my panic, and high anxiety. Even though i was suffering tremendously, I was very afraid of the drug because of the things I read about it. Stuff like it causes chemical imbalances, rather then curing one.
Anyway, it's been a long bumby ride- I was having panic attacks and very high anxiety on 1.5mg of klonopin, but I wouldn't increase the dose(I'm either very dumb, or very cautious). Eventually, my panic attacks went away-(took a while)-it's been about a year since the last one. My high level of anxiety has come down quite a bit.
The whole experience was very confusing. My doc told me that I shouldn't have had panic attacks on klonopin. My anxiety seemed to go away with time, so I'm not sure if klonopin helped me at all.
I weened down to .75 from 1.5 and noticed feeling very uncomfortable in sept/oct, so I went back up to 1mg a day. I think I was coming down to fast. It's really hard to shave 1/10ths off a 1mg tab, so I cheated and tried to ween by 1/6 every week(no good for me).
After resting at 1mg for a while, I decided to try again. I'm currently at .5 and I'm starting to feel bad again(weird sensations, anxiety).
I really would like to get off klonopin, but it sure isn't easy. I'm very frightened of experiencing what I went through with panic and very high anxiety at its peak(afraid of it's return) but I want to be drug free.

Anyone have any feelings about the desire to be drug free, vs. the fear of mental illness- I would appreiciate it.

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by ian24 on January 7, 2004, at 13:43:16

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin sheebies, posted by silmarilone on August 25, 2003, at 12:39:07

I withdrew from zanax. Was on I think 2 mgs a day. I would cut a quarter of a mg and then feel tense and agitated for a week to 10 days. But it was magaebale with exercise and etc. After a week or two of being used to it Id cut another quarter. Basically Id cut a quarter a month. It took like nine months but thats ok it was a difficult task but one i wanted to do and was willing to be patient about it.

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by 13beans on January 7, 2004, at 15:53:44

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by ian24 on January 7, 2004, at 13:43:16

What I really would like to know is whether or not someone should still be going through any type of severe withdrawals like dizziness, visual disturbances or trouble adjusting to light, (ringing in ears possibly too but could be from something else), muscle pain, etc. It's going on two months now and my mother is only down to 1 1/2 milligrams (from 3 originally). It's been over a month that she's been on the same dosage and still believes she is going through withdrawals. Is this even POSSIBLE?? Please post if you have ever experienced anything like this or have heard of anything like this happening. She is going crazy trying to figure it out (she is worrying that it might be something else, as she is pretty young and was once, not too long ago, very active, but can hardly leave the house anymore) and unfortunately is driving me crazy with trying to figure this out...I'm a single parent of a 3 year old and work a f/t job, but she has picked me out to be her detective and she won't learn to get on a computer. (SORRY! Just venting!) Anyhow, I don't see how this could be the problem. Does anyone out there?

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by Ryan123 on January 12, 2004, at 18:31:32

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by 13beans on January 7, 2004, at 15:53:44

I am one month to the day without any klonopin in my system. I tapered all the way down to .25mg/day from 3mg/day. Each day is getting worse.

I am taking 30mg of oxoxepam once per day to help regulate some of the withdrawal symptoms. Some people might consider that using gas to put out a fire, but I am at my wit's end.

I am not a newcomer to withdrawals. I am a recovering alcoholic. These withdrawals though make quitting alcohol seem like a day in the park.

One of the major symptoms I have is ringing in the ears. Most of the other symptoms are far to complex and overwhelming to try to describe.

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by 13beans on January 13, 2004, at 11:32:30

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by Ryan123 on January 12, 2004, at 18:31:32

> I am one month to the day without any klonopin in my system. I tapered all the way down to .25mg/day from 3mg/day. Each day is getting worse.
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> I am taking 30mg of oxoxepam once per day to help regulate some of the withdrawal symptoms. Some people might consider that using gas to put out a fire, but I am at my wit's end.
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I am sorry to hear you are having such a rough time with of it. I can identify as I myself have suffered such an unbelievable list of withdrawal symptoms, from everything from extreme paranoia and aggitation to visual and auditory hallucinations, and my husband is an alcoholic and is now paying dearly a very heavy price. (He is in prison for 8 years for drinking and driving - and I don't see it ever getting better, he is so hardwired to drink.) We have a 3 year old son who he has missed most of his growing up this far - and that goes both ways and tears me up...alcohol and drugs are truly the root of so much tragedy in todays world... and it affects so many people...)

Anyhow, good luck to you and thanks for your post.

PS Are you sure the ringing in your ears is coming from the klonopin w/d's? My mother has that so often, and worse for her is the dizziness. Have you had this at all? Or any visual disturbances? She has a lot of trouble adjusting to changes in lighting? (ie walking in from outside, going into stores, etc.?) She was diagnosed with POTS last year which is a newly accepted diagnosis/disease...and so we don't know what is coming from what. Let me know if you have any of the above. She would like to know she's not alone. Thanks again.

> I am not a newcomer to withdrawals. I am a recovering alcoholic. These withdrawals though make quitting alcohol seem like a day in the park.
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> One of the major symptoms I have is ringing in the ears. Most of the other symptoms are far to complex and overwhelming to try to describe.

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by rutt on January 13, 2004, at 15:15:13

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by Ryan123 on January 12, 2004, at 18:31:32

Ryan 123,
I'm sorry to hear that you are having such a rough time. I can relate, I've been trying to withdwaw from klonopin for 3 months now from 2mg. I'm presently at alittle under 1mg and I'm not feeling so good. My symptoms are mainly high anxiety, intermitant depression, sleep disturbances, hypervigilance, and visual/percepual changes.
I have heard about ringing in the ears as a side effect of the drug, and as a withdrawl symptom as well. Did you taper off the drug to quickly?
I can relate to the suffering your going through as can many others all around the world. I hope you feel better soon.

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by rutt on January 13, 2004, at 15:31:31

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by 13beans on January 7, 2004, at 15:53:44

13 beans,
I think that your mother is suffering from withdrawl symptoms. Visual disturbances seem to be common on this forum(I guess sensitivity to light would be included). Dizziness is also included as a possible side effect of the drug, but I'm not sure as a withdrawl symptom(definatly possible).
3mg is a decent size dose. It takes the brain along time to adjust to the withdrawl. The GABA neurotransmitters that klonopin act on need to find balance again. Maybe she is comming down to fast. Tell her not to rush it.
Best wishes

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by Ryan123 on January 13, 2004, at 16:49:06

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by 13beans on January 13, 2004, at 11:32:30

I started to taper off klonopin in July. The doctor had me tapering down 1/2mg every month. I was down to 1mg/day.

Then in September I fell off the wagon. While off the wagon I was taking 3mg/day. I drank five days during a two week period and went into detox. The doctor there took me off klonopin altogether (the same doctor tried the same thing on me December of 2001 with no success). I lasted eight days without it before having to get back on (in 2001 I lasted six days).

My medication at that time was 2mg/day of klonopin, serequel, propanylol, paxil, and trazodone (serequel and propanylol were new).

Two days after leaving detox I went into in-patient alcohol treatment. I was there a month. When I got out I saw a new psychiatrist that told me I had to quit klonopin. At that point after all I had been through I really wanted the klonopin. Right after the appointment I went to the bar.

I was suicidal (not new for me) and the next day the cops took me to a psychiatric ward. I was there until the end of the first week of November. So basically I was institutionalized from September 20th until November 7th minus three days. Big eye opener for me to get my act straight.

[at the psych ward they added visteral to my list of meds]

I saw the psychiatrist again after getting out of the psych ward and was on the same page as he was to get off the klonopin. I was at 2mg/day at the time and tapered down 1/2mg basically every week. I did not go down a level until I was at least semi-stable.

I know my tapering down of klonopin was on and off, but I don't think it was too drastic. I guess I wrote all that so each of you can be the judge whether I took enough time to taper off.

During this time without klonopin, I have also quit taking paxil. I think that added to my anxiety even though in theory it shouldn't. I am experiencing paxil withdrawals as well. The major symptoms I feel from quitting paxil are being filled with rage and electric shock-like sensations.

I'm just about completely sure that the constant and deafening ringing in my ears is a direct result of klonopin withdrawals.

Other symptoms (for me) are dizziness, drowsiness, sensitivity to light and sound, palpitations, hair loss, skin rashes, dry skin, dry mouth, muscle weakness, weight gain, muscle twitches (especially the eyes), weak voice, tremors, agitation, anxiety, irritability, excitability, hotility, horribly vivid nightmares, confusion, depression, forgetfulness, hallucinations (especially smell), runny nose, shortness of breath, (I could continue but you get the picture).

A couple of things. I've heard that klonopin withdrawal could take up to two months. How long for Paxil?

I also mentioned that I'm taking oxaxepam (serax) to help with my withdrawal symptoms. It is a tranquilizer from a different family, but it is still a tranquilizer. In the past I've gotten off of oxaxepam in exactly five days.

Any opinions or theories on my taking oxaxepam?

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin REBOUND ANXIETY????

Posted by Ryan123 on January 15, 2004, at 16:16:04

In reply to withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by sheebies on August 25, 2003, at 8:54:49

I saw my psychiatrist yesterday for the first time since I have been off klonopin. I'm telling him my situation, and he totally de-bunks me. He says I am NOT feeling withdrawals at all, but rebound anxiety.

According to him, rebound anxiety is anxiety caused by not having the pill in your system that you're used to. This would sound like withdrawal, but it's a different thing according to him. He says the withdrawals only took 7-10 days, and since then I have been feeling rebound anxiety.

I told him that my symptoms all the way through have been consistent, and he told me that rebound anxiety could have the same exact symptoms as withdrawals.

Has anyone heard of rebound anxiety? Quite curious here...

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin REBOUND ANXIETY????

Posted by girl1969 on January 17, 2004, at 11:57:20

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin REBOUND ANXIETY????, posted by Ryan123 on January 15, 2004, at 16:16:04

I was on klonopin at 10 mg per day for 3 years. I started with a new doctor and he had me come off it. Not only did I have "rebound anxiety," but I went through the most miserable hell imaginable. I could not eat or sleep, I could not relax, and I wanted to jump out of my skin. I had headaches, tremors, and generally felt lik hell for 2 months.

There is no doubt in my mind that I went through withdrawal. My doctors didn't take me seriously at first, either. Some part of what I went through could be attributed to rebound anxiety, but the other symptoms were certainly withdrawal.

I wish you the best of luck,

Girl

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin REBOUND ANXIETY????

Posted by micro on January 18, 2004, at 22:51:08

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin REBOUND ANXIETY????, posted by girl1969 on January 17, 2004, at 11:57:20

> I was on klonopin at 10 mg per day for 3 years. I started with a new doctor and he had me come off it. Not only did I have "rebound anxiety," but I went through the most miserable hell imaginable. I could not eat or sleep, I could not relax, and I wanted to jump out of my skin. I had headaches, tremors, and generally felt lik hell for 2 months.
>
> There is no doubt in my mind that I went through withdrawal. My doctors didn't take me seriously at first, either. Some part of what I went through could be attributed to rebound anxiety, but the other symptoms were certainly withdrawal.
>
> I wish you the best of luck,
>
> Girl

PLease do not ever let anyone remove your klonopin without tapering your dose reduction individually, everyone should taper off klonopin slowly even those who use it for epilepsy. Although the rate of tapering and the severity of withdrawl varies individually, everyone experiences it. NO Doctor especially a trained Pdoc should ever recommend abrupt discontinuation. Please use a psychotropic med handbook and listen to your body. Your 2 months in hell can be greatly diminshed with appropriate tapering. Remember, NO two people react to the same meds in the same way ,we are all different and require different dosing and different meds to achieve the same results. Prescribing the same dose of the same medication for each person is illogical and careless. Best wishes. I apologize for your bad experience even though your doc should. Micro

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin REBOUND ANXIETY????

Posted by girl1969 on January 20, 2004, at 23:57:15

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin REBOUND ANXIETY????, posted by micro on January 18, 2004, at 22:51:08

OH, this happened years ago. I have a new pdoc now.

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by kevin40 on January 27, 2004, at 0:01:11

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by Ryan123 on January 12, 2004, at 18:31:32

I read the postings from 13beans and Ryan.
These are my experiences and thoughts.
I have intensense dizziness and light-headedness. I started tappering off Klonopin this past fall. I was originally at 3mg/day in Dec. 2000. I went down to 2.5mg/day in 2002. In Sept. of 2003 I started at 2mg/day and went down .25mg every month. I have experienced a host of withdrawl symptoms vey similar to Ryan's. The dizziness and visual problems are intense and the cognitiv numbness is a drag. Anyone that has ideas on how to deal with the dizziness I am open ears!!!
Klonopin is, in the chemical nomenclature, a part of the opiate family. It and other benzo's are very addictive and withdrawl is very hard. I washed out three times before because I came off too quickly. Persons coming off need lots of unconditional support.
I too am a recovering alcoholic. Stopping drinking was like a walk in the park compared to this.
The rebound anxiety may be withdrawl symptoms which are similar the the symptoms the medication was to alleviate in the first place. Some anxiety may be dormant and some may be because the brain is tryiing to readjust.
I think many pdoc's are book smart but not empathetic or soul smart. If the shoe was on the other foot they would whistle a different tune.
I do solicit advise, again, from anyone with ideas on helping with the dizziness!! I work out
x3/week, take suppliments and try and be mellow.
Thanks.
Kevin-oh so tired of being dizzy.

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by micro on January 27, 2004, at 8:37:53

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by kevin40 on January 27, 2004, at 0:01:11

> I read the postings from 13beans and Ryan.
> These are my experiences and thoughts.
> I have intensense dizziness and light-headedness. I started tappering off Klonopin this past fall. I was originally at 3mg/day in Dec. 2000. I went down to 2.5mg/day in 2002. In Sept. of 2003 I started at 2mg/day and went down .25mg every month. I have experienced a host of withdrawl symptoms vey similar to Ryan's. The dizziness and visual problems are intense and the cognitiv numbness is a drag. Anyone that has ideas on how to deal with the dizziness I am open ears!!!
> Klonopin is, in the chemical nomenclature, a part of the opiate family. It and other benzo's are very addictive and withdrawl is very hard. I washed out three times before because I came off too quickly. Persons coming off need lots of unconditional support.
> I too am a recovering alcoholic. Stopping drinking was like a walk in the park compared to this.
> The rebound anxiety may be withdrawl symptoms which are similar the the symptoms the medication was to alleviate in the first place. Some anxiety may be dormant and some may be because the brain is tryiing to readjust.
> I think many pdoc's are book smart but not empathetic or soul smart. If the shoe was on the other foot they would whistle a different tune.
> I do solicit advise, again, from anyone with ideas on helping with the dizziness!! I work out
> x3/week, take suppliments and try and be mellow.
> Thanks.
> Kevin-oh so tired of being dizzy.

Kevin,
Please reinstitute a small dose of your klonopin and see if this helps.
You may also try a pill cutter the next time you attempt to dicontinue. Konopin is easy to cut, use an exacto knife if you have to and go very slow. Some people must withdrawl from klonopin over months not weeks and discontinuance symtoms may occur for longer than 4 weeks . You may also request a beta blocker if you have no contraindications to it.
As to your comment on empathy, there is great need for pdocs in general, but it is difficult to attract medical students into this field. Read Mark Gold M.D., He makes a strong case for psychiatry, Biopsychiatry, the art of being a diagnostician as well as a Psychiatrist. There is more to Psychiatry than handing out benzos right and left. With the advent of diagnostic imaging, Psychiatry may be revolutionalized, however, traditional psychiatry is not embracing the concept. Hope this helps. Micro

 

Re: withdrawl from Klonopin

Posted by ryan123 on January 27, 2004, at 16:25:18

In reply to Re: withdrawl from Klonopin, posted by micro on January 27, 2004, at 8:37:53

Yesterday I saw a psychiatrist that was also an addictionologist. I thought he would help understand me getting off klonopin being that he's with an expert with addiction. He told me I have to quit drinking to get better. I told him yes. I believe that alcohol is ultimately responsible for my being in this situation. Then I also tried to explain that if I never took klonopin I would never be feeling the symptoms I am currently feeling. He shushed me. Everytime I tried to bring up the pills he shushed me and told me I'm not focusing on the right thing.

I told him that I don't leave the house except for doctors' appointments. He inferred that I was to anxious to leave the house. I told him that I don't leave the house because the symptoms of withdrawal are so overwhelming that I really don't function at all. He didn't believe me and stuck to his conclusion. He told me to go to an AA meeting and talk to a certain guy he knows.

He told me to continue taking serequel, propanylol (a beta blocker that really helps keep my heart rate and blood pressure in line), trazodone; start taking paxil again; begin taking carbamazepine (what is this?), and gave me a perscription to serax (a tranquilizer that I have been taking without perscription to help with my withdrawal symptoms).

It's so amazing how doctors do not listen at all. I faxed him a two-page letter telling of my background and recent history. He read that I was a recovering alcoholic, and obviously quit reading after that. He was convinced that I had been a heavy drinker until two months ago and am still feeling alcohol withdrawal symptoms. I tried to tell him how little I drank in the last year and he continued to shush me and tell me the salvation is an arm's length away in the blissful life of sobriety.

My past relapse history is that I only drink when my anxiety level is out of control. I haven't drank since Halloween and I only drank one night. I know I have to stay sober. This is a given. The last two psychiatrists I have seen don't even believe that my anxiety could be caused by a chemical imbalance. It's maddening enough that I have to deal with these symptoms. These doctors are just amazing.

Can these symptoms of withdrawal be considered temporary insanity for future actions on close-minded doctors that enjoy playing god?


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