Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 200435

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Klonopin + Adderall killer combo

Posted by btnd on February 14, 2003, at 13:52:12

This is a picture of me:
-without klonopin and adderall
dysthymic
passive
not very sociable (avoidant)
poor confidence
worry about others' opinions

-with klonopin 1.5 mg and adderall 40 mg
outgoing
social anxiety non-existent (totally relaxed in every situation)
high confidence
very assertive
don't care about others' opinions (in a good way; I tend to over analyze many things people say, on k+a I simply don't get into non important details)
not passive = high drive to succeed

Klonopin and adderall made me the person I've always wanted to be.
Just wanted to share this experience with you guys.

 

Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo

Posted by jparsell82 on February 14, 2003, at 16:17:16

In reply to Klonopin + Adderall killer combo, posted by btnd on February 14, 2003, at 13:52:12

Hey, that sounds great. Your personality sounds exactly like mine. I've been wanting try a combination of Klonopin or Neurontin + Dexedrine or Adderall. Did you also have low motivation before trying k + add? I got a question about the combo too... I want to try to start college. Does the Klonopin effect your learning or concentration abilities? Thanks for the info.

 

How long on this killer combo? (nm) » btnd

Posted by JaneB on February 14, 2003, at 16:34:15

In reply to Klonopin + Adderall killer combo, posted by btnd on February 14, 2003, at 13:52:12

 

Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo

Posted by btnd on February 14, 2003, at 18:45:30

In reply to Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo, posted by jparsell82 on February 14, 2003, at 16:17:16

> Hey, that sounds great. Your personality sounds exactly like mine. I've been wanting try a combination of Klonopin or Neurontin + Dexedrine or Adderall. Did you also have low motivation before trying k + add? I got a question about the combo too... I want to try to start college. Does the Klonopin effect your learning or concentration abilities? Thanks for the info.


Yes I have low motivation all the time, even on Klonopin only. Adderall makes the difference in motivation. K+A make me assertive and totally relaxed.
I haven't tried to study while on Klonopin, but when I used it alone before, I tend to forget some things.For example, I was talking with a guy, and after like 2-3 hrs I couldn't remember the details of our conversation.


I've been using this combo for 2 weeks. I want to stop adderall for a week or so to not develop tolerance.

 

Re: Klonopin + Adderall...me too » btnd

Posted by jodie on February 14, 2003, at 19:28:34

In reply to Klonopin + Adderall killer combo, posted by btnd on February 14, 2003, at 13:52:12

I have been on Klonopin for almost 2 years. I take 2mg daily. I started taking Adderall XR a week ago.


I started taking Klonopin when I was diagnosed w/ bipolar disorder. My diagnosis has now changed to ADD, even though I think I have both. I also have temporal lobe epilepsy, which causes weird sensations, strong deja vu, and so on. I've had 2 Grand Mal seizures in my life, one 8 yrs ago, the other about a month and a half ago. I used to take Dilantin for seizures...too many bad side effects. The Klonopin was prescribed to me for aggitation/moodiness/anxiety, but it also controls seizures.

I have noticed some nice benefits from the Adderall, such as increased concentration, etc. I am still really moody, & irritable. I think I have been on the Klonopin for so long that it doesn't do much for me anymore, except for control the seizures. That is the main reason I am still taking it.

I hope the combo keeps working for you. I go see my pdoc Monday. I hope I can find a combo that works good for me, in regards to my anxiety, irritability, and insomnia. I also have a problem with caring about what everyone thinks about me. That is not gone.

Good Luck!!! Sounds like you are feeling really great. Thats good to hear, there seems to be a lot of sad people right now here at psycho babble & social babble. It's nice to hear when someone is feeling better!!!


Jodie

 

Re: Klonopin + Adderall...me too

Posted by viridis on February 15, 2003, at 1:08:33

In reply to Re: Klonopin + Adderall...me too » btnd, posted by jodie on February 14, 2003, at 19:28:34

Klonopin + Adderall works very well for me (with some Neurontin in the mix too, although I doubt it's doing much). The synergy between K & A seems to be a recurring theme on this board, and I've found that these meds complement each other very well.

 

Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo

Posted by jparsell82 on February 15, 2003, at 9:17:22

In reply to Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo, posted by btnd on February 14, 2003, at 18:45:30

> > Hey, that sounds great. Your personality sounds exactly like mine. I've been wanting try a combination of Klonopin or Neurontin + Dexedrine or Adderall. Did you also have low motivation before trying k + add? I got a question about the combo too... I want to try to start college. Does the Klonopin effect your learning or concentration abilities? Thanks for the info.
>
>
> Yes I have low motivation all the time, even on Klonopin only. Adderall makes the difference in motivation. K+A make me assertive and totally relaxed.
> I haven't tried to study while on Klonopin, but when I used it alone before, I tend to forget some things.For example, I was talking with a guy, and after like 2-3 hrs I couldn't remember the details of our conversation.
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> I've been using this combo for 2 weeks. I want to stop adderall for a week or so to not develop tolerance.

Can you develope a tolerance to adderall/stimulants? Is it common to? Because I would definitely have to have a stimulant for a long term... klonopin alone would be too sedating for me.

 

Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo » jparsell82

Posted by viridis on February 15, 2003, at 13:44:45

In reply to Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo, posted by jparsell82 on February 15, 2003, at 9:17:22

Some people report rapid development of tolerance to stimulants, whereas others take the same dose for years with no problem. Like just about everything else when it comes to meds, it seems to be very individual-specific.

One piece of advice I've often seen is to skip the stimulant periodically. I do this with Adderall for a day or two here and there with no problem, and seem to be fine at the same low dose I started with over a year ago (10 mg/day). My psychiatrist encourages this pattern of use, as he agrees that it reduces the chances that tolerance will develop.

 

Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo » viridis

Posted by jodie on February 16, 2003, at 23:26:32

In reply to Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo » jparsell82, posted by viridis on February 15, 2003, at 13:44:45

Your pdoc may not see a problem with it, skipping Adderall or Klonopin for a day or two, but medically, that can be dangerous. After being on Klonopin for an extended period of time, and just stopping it suddenly, even if only for a short time, can cause problems. The biggest one with Klonopin that ER Dr.'s see is seizures.

Going on vacations from your meds is a good idea, but you should gradually decrease the dosage. The Klonopin especially. Going off a stimulant for a day or two probably won't cause any harm. I am surprised that your pdoc does not see a problem with you doing that with the Klonopin. Just my opinion, and I've had personal experiences with the klonopin thing (a grand mal seizure after stopping it suddenly for about a day and a half), and so have many others. Even people who have never had seizures in their lives.

 

OK to skip stimulant, NOT benzo » jodie

Posted by viridis on February 17, 2003, at 0:30:39

In reply to Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo » viridis, posted by jodie on February 16, 2003, at 23:26:32

Hi Jodie,

I only skip the Adderall (with my pdoc's blessing), and I'm on a pretty low dose of that with no indication (yet, at least) of dependency or tolerance.

I DON'T skip Klonopin, which I take daily, and wouldn't go off it without a gradual taper. As you pointed out, that could be dangerous, and I have found a couple of times when I've forgotten to take it that I start to get quite edgy and uncomfortable.

Sorry for any confusion -- I was talking about Adderall only, and a method of dosing that I OK'd with my doctor.

 

Going off benzos » jodie

Posted by viridis on February 17, 2003, at 0:37:21

In reply to Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo » viridis, posted by jodie on February 16, 2003, at 23:26:32

Just a followup -- my pdoc emphasized to me that once I'd been on a benzo regularly for more than a couple of weeks, any discontinuation should be done gradually and under his supervision. He does NOT encourage skipping benzos -- just the Adderall, after carefully questioning me about my reaction to and use of it.

 

Re: OK to skip stimulant, NOT benzo » viridis

Posted by jodie on February 17, 2003, at 1:46:04

In reply to OK to skip stimulant, NOT benzo » jodie, posted by viridis on February 17, 2003, at 0:30:39

Good, I was a little worried. I went back and read your post and realized I read it wrong.

I ran out of Klonopin, so I was off of it for over a day, and I had that bad seizure. Just wanted to be sure.

Jodie

 

Understood..just making sure (nm) » viridis

Posted by jodie on February 17, 2003, at 1:47:42

In reply to Going off benzos » jodie, posted by viridis on February 17, 2003, at 0:37:21

 

BTND - What dosage and what time?

Posted by mrporter1 on February 26, 2003, at 9:27:30

In reply to Klonopin + Adderall killer combo, posted by btnd on February 14, 2003, at 13:52:12

What time do you take each drug and how much at each time??

 

Re: Klonopin + Adderall...me too » jodie

Posted by BenDog on December 31, 2003, at 22:38:03

In reply to Re: Klonopin + Adderall...me too » btnd, posted by jodie on February 14, 2003, at 19:28:34

Hello,

I was curious about the combination of Klonopin and Adderall, so I used these two words as my search criteria. I was pleased to find exactly what I was looking for on my first attempt here in Physcho-Babble!

I recently (last two weeks) began taking Klonopin for anxiety and have been taking Adderall for ADD over the last couple of years or so. Before Klonopin, I was taking Effexor 150mg which only increased my anxiety to levels higher than ever before. So far, the switch to Klonopin has been a positive one. My dosage is 0.5mg three times/day, or as needed. I like the "as needed" part because I understand there is the potential for dependency. To date, I have only needed to take Klonopin no more than 1/day; however, just in the last couple of days, I have taken 2 doses/day. In addition, I take any where from 30mg - 45mg Adderall per day.

My experience so far has been a considerable reduction in anxiety, but also considerably more irritable and "foggy". More alarming are my increasing thoughts of wanting to die (after some research, this may be due to coming off of Effexor). I'm not talking about suicide, necessarily....just fleeting thoughts of hoping a huge rock will drop from the sky or a random bullet will put me out of my misery. In short, my zest for life has deminished to almost nothing and I'm simply tired of the constant struggle. Yes, I am discussing this with my counselor, as well as my wife...bless her heart. As I am new to this drug combo (and recently coming off of Effexor....nasty stuff!), I'm hoping the irritability will lessen, the fog will lift and happier thoughts will return.

As Jodie mentioned, my concern for what others may or may not be feeling about me has not lessened. This is by far my most debilitating symptom....one I am determined to overcome. Counseling along these lines has helped tremendously at identifying why I allow others to affect me. Until I learn to utilize the tools learned from counseling, my new knowledge has only heightened my awareness of my problem areas, making it that much more difficult to live with. Old habits are hard to break, but I can see how my new knowledge will enable me to eventually overcome the "people pleaser" in me.

Gosh, this was longer than I anticipated. If any of you get through all of it, I would appreciate any insights you may have.

Regards,

BenDog

 

Re: Klonopin + Adderall killer combo

Posted by pinky on August 11, 2004, at 11:55:57

In reply to Klonopin + Adderall killer combo, posted by btnd on February 14, 2003, at 13:52:12

I started taking clonazepam(klonopin/rivotril) about 6 weeks ago. I didnt really have the time to titrate up slowly enough due to rapidly approaching social obligations, so I might have done myself a slight diservice with regards to side effects and tolerance, but whatever.

The initial side effects were lack of balance, no short term memory, and irritibility. I was packing my suitcase before catching a flight and was stuck in a constant circle of

"where are my keys? Oh here they are. But where is my shirt? Oh good, I've found it, but where are my keys."

And then I would find myself flying into a rage each time I couldn't find something. But, I also noticed that people were calling me on the phone and ringing my doorbell and I was completely relaxed (instead of wilting like a little girl). All of this without one drink. So although the side effects were kind of irritating I was feeling pretty up-beat because perhaps the impossible was about to happen; things were going to change.

The drive to the airport was humourous. Taking my giant suitcase off the carousel and then slamming it into a small woman was less humourous. She wasn't hurt and just laughed, so no harm done I guess. So, yeah, my motor skills/coordination etc. were a little off. But no sweaty palms! And no wigging out at the check-in counter or with the stewardesses if conversation became in anyway personal. I even chatted freely with the person sitting beside me on the plane. A new experience.

So the first week/week and a half was a cloud. I would lose entire blocks of memory. The first guy I saw when I arrived in town, I spent two days with and even crashed on his couch. When I saw him again two weeks later I was literally unable to remember whether I had seen him yet during my visit. Weird.

Anyway, all of those side effects have passed and my short term memory and attention span is back to normal - which are usually pretty poor. Is it because we're born this way, or have we become like this from spending so much time living in our own heads?

What where the other, subtler, and longer lasting side effects? Anhedonia and dysthymia (look at all the fancy new words that this forum has forced me to look up). So while I have found clonazepam to be quite anxiolytic, it has also caused a degree of anhedonia and dysthymia. These negative effects were relieved somewhat, though, by the natural pleasure of being more socially active. Although they have diminished somewhat over time, I can't say they've completely vanished. Some other poster said it best: "klonopin left me feeling mushy and just... blah." Clonezepam rids you (almost) of your anxiety, but doesn't make you anymore outgoing.

Sexual disfunction? Thats a tricky one. While I did find myself flying at half mast, I recalled that this was often the case with this particular girl even when I was drug free. Was it my lack of sexual attraction to her or was it the pills?

I ended that "product-of-social-phobia-relationship" and found a latin girl to help me solve this quaqmire. Yes, I was ready, willing, and able. However, I do find that I have a decreased sexual desire. And I find this interesting.

I haven't done much research into it, but I have seen it written here and there that people with our various afflictions are often "over-sexualized" (or something like that). I suppose sexual fantasies have dominated my thoughts in the past; and I remember ex-girlfriends finding my voracity agreeable during the first couple of weeks, but a little tiresome after the fourth month. Perhaps my current sexual desire is just normal. Whatever, as long as I can perform when I need to, I'm not bothered.

Other revelations:

Although others have commented on the sedative effects being bothersome, I actually find that I have more energy now. Thats not to say that I feel energized - far from it. I often crash hard in the middle of the day. Its just that I found that my previous anxiety was more of a drain. Neat.

Obsessive behaviour. This was an aspect of myself that I was previously unaware of. I wasn't one of those switch the lights on and off ten times kind of guys, but I did have repetitive habits: thoughts, utterances, routines; I suppose even physical gestures. A friend of mine said that he found me far less irritating to be around now, because you dont do those whistles and say those repetetive phrases, and I was like, "what whistles?" How Curious.

Thank god for this site though. Otherwise I never would have known that there actually is an almost perfect cure for what they refer to as social phobia. I had originally intended to take the clonazepam with dexedrine, but it takes a little longer to get it here because the pharmacy has to order it. My GP was very excited about Seroxat(Paxil), but I had a bad experience with prozac years ago so...

I'm hoping to keep up the clonazepam, and tie up the loose ends (depression, attention span, etc.) with the amphetamines.

QUESTION:

In your opinion, what is the best combo (xanax/clonazepam + adderall/dexedrine)? I heard dexedrine caused less anxiety.



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