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Posted by Tepiaca on November 21, 2003, at 19:32:43
hi ace , how are you ?
have a question for you
Im still on 75mg of Nardil?
do you think 15mg more of Nardil can make a huge change in my life ?
how can just 15 mg of Nardil do that?
do you have something that you can show me about this?
Its for sure Im goona be soon on 90mg , jus I have this doubthope you can help me
Tep
Posted by ace on November 21, 2003, at 21:59:18
In reply to Ace .... 15mg more of Nardil ... huge difference??, posted by Tepiaca on November 21, 2003, at 19:32:43
> hi ace , how are you ?
I'm good!
> have a question for you
No problems.
> Im still on 75mg of Nardil?
> do you think 15mg more of Nardil can make a huge change in my life ?Yes. Quit possibly. When you are on Nardil you need at least 80% inhibition of the enzymes- this means the enzymes which 'eat' excess serotonin and other nerotransmitters are themselves removed.
If you are getting LESS than 80% Nardil probably won't work to great.
Some people NEED 90mg Nardil to achieve this 80% inhibition. When they take 75mg or less Nardil doesn't work so good. I have heard of some people who respond to ONLY 90mg- you could be one of these people.
> how can just 15 mg of Nardil do that?
15mg of Nardil can add the extra amount needed to block the right amount of enzymes. 15mg of Nardil is still Nardil- think of someone who takes 15mg everyday and someone who takes 0mg. The person who takes 15mg would still feel something and be getting s/effects.
> do you have something that you can show me about this?
Read the above.
> Its for sure Im goona be soon on 90mg , jus I have this doubt
90mg Nardil is not unsafe. Have blood tests every 6 months and you will be fine.
I believe you should go on 90mg and stay there for 4 weeks at least.
>
> hope you can help me
>I hope I just did! GO TO 90mg!!!
> Tep
>Ace.
Posted by ace on November 21, 2003, at 22:26:42
In reply to Ace .... 15mg more of Nardil ... huge difference??, posted by Tepiaca on November 21, 2003, at 19:32:43
Tep,
I forgot to ask you- have you got the 'new' version of Nardil? Is it a LIGHT orange/browny colour or is it bright orange?
Does it say Pfizer on the box?
Does it say 'Gluten free'
Where did you import it from?
The new Nardil doesn't work- only the old one.
You could be having problems if you are on this new stuff.
Ace.
Posted by Tepiaca on November 23, 2003, at 1:23:58
In reply to Re: Ace .... 15mg more of Nardil ... huge difference?? » Tepiaca, posted by ace on November 21, 2003, at 22:26:42
Than you very much ace for that information . It gave me more hope.
Actually with that question Im not saying that Nardil is not good , I had say it before that Nardil have been the best medicine in my life , but I still have very bad days and uncontrolable
fear , I would like to improve more.some more questions ace
-can you explain , what is the change yo feel between 75mg an 90mg?
-what is the blood test for ?? what bad could happen to me on 90 mg??
- I cant do sport , I feel very agitated and tired very fast , I only run 10 seconds and I feel like my lungs are going to explote . is this normal ?
and about the kind of nardil I take . Ive taken
4 bottles of Nardil and the first bottle was something like this:It says Nardil with purple letters
15 mgs with blue
And only says PARKE-DAVIS with black letter
I dont remember exactaly the color of the pills , because I have very bad memory but I remember they were more brown than the pills im taking nowThe other 3 and last bottles is something like this
Nardil with black letters
it has a little orange circle with a black 15 inside of it
it says 15 mg with white letter
and last it says --PFIZER (the sign) and also says Parke-Davis
The pills are more brith orangewich one is the good nardil ?? according to me It has to be the first one I told you . Beacause when I started to take the other pills , my problems restarted again.
am I wrong about this sentence ??are the 2kinds of NArdil still available? or only one ? I order my Nardil to a pharmacy that brougth it from US
hope you can help with this ace
thank you very much for helping me
Tep
Posted by ace on November 23, 2003, at 22:40:51
In reply to Re: Ace .... 15mg more of Nardil ... huge difference?? » ace, posted by Tepiaca on November 23, 2003, at 1:23:58
> Than you very much ace for that information . It gave me more hope.
Great!
> Actually with that question Im not saying that Nardil is not good , I had say it before that Nardil have been the best medicine in my life , but I still have very bad days and uncontrolable
> fear , I would like to improve more.Absolutely. We must get at least 90% recovery.
>
> some more questions ace
>
> -can you explain , what is the change yo feel between 75mg an 90mg?>60mg and 75mg makes me feel OK but at 90mg i feel BRILLIANT!
> -what is the blood test for ?? what bad could happen to me on 90 mg??
Not really too much. Just some RARE liver problems. Or occassionally metabolic changes. But don't worry- they are RARE. People have taken Nardil for 30 years at 90mg with no problems.
>
> - I cant do sport , I feel very agitated and tired very fast , I only run 10 seconds and I feel like my lungs are going to explote . is this normal ?Do you feel this is because of the Nardil? Nardil can make my muscles sore and make me tired as a s/effect. The muscle soreness always goes, but the seadtion stays- I love the sedation!
>
> and about the kind of nardil I take . Ive taken
> 4 bottles of Nardil and the first bottle was something like this:
>
> It says Nardil with purple letters
> 15 mgs with blue
> And only says PARKE-DAVIS with black letter
> I dont remember exactaly the color of the pills , because I have very bad memory but I remember they were more brown than the pills im taking now
>
> The other 3 and last bottles is something like this
>
> Nardil with black letters
> it has a little orange circle with a black 15 inside of it
> it says 15 mg with white letter
> and last it says --PFIZER (the sign) and also says Parke-Davis
> The pills are more brith orange
>
> wich one is the good nardil ?? according to me It has to be the first one I told you . Beacause when I started to take the other pills , my problems restarted again.
> am I wrong about this sentence ??NO!!! You are right!!! EVERYONE IS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE NEW NARDIL- THAT'S WHY YOU MIGHT HAVE STARTED HAVING PROBLEMS. The old Nardil is brilliant. When your problems restarted you took the new Nardil- which doesn't work. You must get the OLD Nardil.
Tep- Go to google and type in 'Anxiety Community- Nardil'. Look under the medication list and you will see everyone hates this new Nardil.
> are the 2kinds of NArdil still available? or only one ? I order my Nardil to a pharmacy that brougth it from US
YES THE TWO ARE STILL AVAILABLE. ORDER YOUR NARDIL FROM UK- "LINK PHARMACEUTICALS" UK. ANY PROBLEMS ASK ME AND I WILL GET ALL THE DETAILS.
> hope you can help with this ace
>
Once you get the OLD Nardil you'll feel magic everyday. I was wondering why it had not helped much for you and then I thought you might have the bad new version. YOU MUST GET THE OLD VERSION!!!!!> thank you very much for helping me
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND HOW I CAN HELP! I WILL HELP...
> TepACE.
>
Posted by Tepiaca on November 24, 2003, at 0:21:29
In reply to Re: Ace .... 15mg more of Nardil ... huge difference?? » Tepiaca, posted by ace on November 23, 2003, at 22:40:51
hey ace ,thats it! , I knew it . You can see at my post 2months ago , when I said I got another kind of nardil and I was asking is this could be the problem of my poop out at 45mg . It was exactly when I change to the other Nardil when all this problems started . I had the feeling that was the new bottle that made that
I looked at the anxiety community , it is true , the new Nardil doesnot have too much reputation . THEY CHANGE THE CHEMICALS INGREDIENTS !!!! , HOW CAN THEY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT ?? , IM VERY UPSET !!
Is there any toll free phone to make a complaint for this ?? WHAT ARE THEY THINKING ???oh no ! now I have huge problems ! , this pharmacy is the only one in Mexico that imports Nardil , and they only sell the new Nardil!!
Im gonna look at that pharmacies in UK , althougth I did that before I found the pharmacy here , and I couldnt do anything , all they sayed that they dont export medicine to Mexico
Im in a big trouble now !
I need to find that medicine , as soon as I can !ace , thank you very much bro , you has help me alot all this time
I hope this could be root of my problem
IŽll keep in contact with you
Tep
Posted by RT on November 24, 2003, at 14:33:00
In reply to wow ace , I cant believe this thing !!, posted by Tepiaca on November 24, 2003, at 0:21:29
can you tell me where and how to get the old nardil . When i emailed a pharmacy in the UK they said they couldnt ship to the u.s.
Could you email me if you know anywhere i can get it Thanks gslandis@midwest.net
Posted by ace on November 24, 2003, at 18:51:19
In reply to wow ace , I cant believe this thing !!, posted by Tepiaca on November 24, 2003, at 0:21:29
> Is there any toll free phone to make a complaint for this ??PLEASE COMPLAIN TO THE FDA AND PFIZER...LOOK THEM UP ON THE GOOGLE SEARCH...YOU CAN COMPLAIN ONLINE.
WHAT ARE THEY THINKING ???
THEY ARE STUPID!!
>
> oh no ! now I have huge problems ! , this pharmacy is the only one in Mexico that imports Nardil , and they only sell the new Nardil!!DON'T WORRY I WILL HELP.
>
> Im gonna look at that pharmacies in UK , althougth I did that before I found the pharmacy here , and I couldnt do anything , all they sayed that they dont export medicine to Mexico
> Im in a big trouble now !WE WILL FIX THIS PROBLEM.
> I need to find that medicine , as soon as I can !
>I KNOW!
> ace , thank you very much bro , you has help me alot all this time
> I hope this could be root of my problemTHIS IS THE PROBLEM. IF YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THE OLD NARDIL ALL THE TIME YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN FEELING SO HAPPY AND CALM AND CONFIDENT.
> IŽll keep in contact with you
PLEASE KEEP IN CONTACT.
>
> TepTEP- I AM WRINGING LINK PHARMACEUTICALS AUSTRALIA TODAY- I WILL SAY I HAVE A FRIEND IN MEXICO WHO NEEDS THE OLD NARDIL...I KNOW LINK SUPPLIES ALL THE UK AND AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND. I WILL TELL THEM OF ALL THE PROBLEMS. I WILL ASK ANY WAY HOW YOU CAN GET OLD NARDIL.
DON'T WORRY FRIEND- WE WILL FIX THIS PROBLEM.
ACE.
Posted by ace on November 24, 2003, at 18:56:32
In reply to Qestion for ACE, posted by RT on November 24, 2003, at 14:33:00
> can you tell me where and how to get the old nardil .
DEFINATELY FROM LINK PHARMACEUTICALS OR HANSAM LTD.
When i emailed a pharmacy in the UK they said they couldnt ship to the u.s.
I THINK THIS IS GENERALLY THE CASE, BUT I'M SURE IF YOU GET SOME SPECIAL APPROVAL THIS WILL BE POSSIBLE. I AM RING LINK IN AUSTRALIA TODAY AND WILL ASK...I'LL POST SOON.
> Could you email me if you know anywhere i can get it Thanks gslandis@midwest.net
I WILL POST BACK ON THIS SITE SO STAY HERE.
I ALSO URGE YOU TO OFFICIALLY COMPLAIN TO THE FDA AND PFIZER. YOU CAN RING AND COMPLAIN ONLINE.
IF THEY GET ENOUGH COMPLAINTS THE PROBLEM WILL BE FIXED. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO INTEND TO SUE PFIZER AND INFORM THE MEDIA.
NARDIL IS THE MOST EFFICACIOUS MEDICATION FOR DEPRESSION EVER- PFIZER HAVE MADE A BIG MISTAKE, BECAUSE NARDIL FANS ARE COMPLAINING FROM EVERYWHERE- PLEASE DO THE SAME AND CHECK OUT 'ANXIETY COMMUNITY- NARDIL MEDICATION' IN GOOGLE SEARCH FOR MORE DETAILS.
DON'T GIVE UP ON NARDIL- NOTHING BEATS IT!
ACE.
Posted by ace on November 26, 2003, at 19:47:46
In reply to Re: Qestion for ACE » RT, posted by ace on November 24, 2003, at 18:56:32
Tep- I am talking to the head supervisor at Link today- I will find out if you get the old Nardil from there...
Posted by Tepiaca on November 27, 2003, at 19:57:09
In reply to Re: For Tepiaca, posted by ace on November 26, 2003, at 19:47:46
Thank you very much ace , you are very kindfull
Today I received my new bottle of Nardil . I asked them to bring me the old Nardil , and they told me is already out of the market =( , so thats it , the new Nardil is invading all the pharmacies in the US , and soon its going to invade the rest of the world I guess.
Ace do you think the old Nardil its gonna get out of the market all around the world ??
Have you asked this in Australia ?
ace , have you found anything new? , any pharmacy where i can get my Nardil overseas ?
I guess its time to look in other continents
I must find and get this drug again !!IŽll be in contact.
Tep
Posted by ace on November 28, 2003, at 3:10:31
In reply to Re: For ace » ace, posted by Tepiaca on November 27, 2003, at 19:57:09
> Thank you very much ace , you are very kindfull
You are a good person Tep! I will always help you!
>
> Today I received my new bottle of Nardil . I asked them to bring me the old Nardil , and they told me is already out of the market =( , so thats it , the new Nardil is invading all the pharmacies in the US , and soon its going to invade the rest of the world I guess.
>
> Ace do you think the old Nardil its gonna get out of the market all around the world ??
NO definately NOT. I rang Link Pharmaceuticals yesterday and the manager said that NARDIL WILL NOT CHANGE EVER IN AUSTRALIA OR NEW ZEALAND. THEY WILL ONLY EVER HAVE THE OLD NARDIL.I ASKED ABOUT YOU IN MEXICO AND AMERICANS...HE SAID THERE IS NO WAY HE CAN GET THE OLD NARDIL TO YOU. BUT, I READ ON THE ANXIETY COMMUNITY FORUM THAT SOMEONE CAN GET IT FROM LINK WITH A DOCTORS PERMISSION. I WILL SEARCH ANXIETY COMMUNITY AGAIN. TEP- GO TO ANXIETY COMMUNITY EVERY DAY AND READ THERE FOR UPDATES.
I WILL CONTINUE TO TRY AND FIND A WAY TO GET OLD NARDIL TO YOU.
BUT I THINK THAT THE NEW NARDIL WILL STOP AND THE OLD NARDIL WILL COME BACK IF PEOPLE COMPLAIN A LOT.
>
> Have you asked this in Australia ?
>
YES, NARDIL IN AUSTRALIA WILL ALWAYS BE THE OLD VERSION. COME AND LIVE WITH ME IN AUSTRALIA TEP!!!!> ace , have you found anything new? , any pharmacy where i can get my Nardil overseas ?
I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY AND FIND THIS. THE MANAGER AT LINK AUSTRALIA SAID HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PFIZER.
> I guess its time to look in other continents
> I must find and get this drug again !!
TEP- NEVER GIVE IN!!!! BEFORE YOU CHANGED TO THE NEW NARDIL YOU WERE GETTING BETTER AND BETTER AND HAPPY. THIS NEW NARDIL IS THE PROBLEM. DON'T STOP UNTIL YOU GET THE OLD NARDIL BACK.A LOT OF PEOPLE A SEARCHING FOR THE OLD NARDIL. MANY PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING.
DON'T SWITCH DRUGS. GET NARDIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WILL ALWAYS HELP AND I FEEL UPSET THAT YOU HAVENT GOT THE BEST NARDIL.
BUT WE WILL WIN!!!!!!!!!
YOUR FRIEND,ACE. NARDIL RULES!!!
>
> IŽll be in contact.
> Tep
>
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