Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 269694

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amineptine:HELP! New to this

Posted by iris2 on October 15, 2003, at 14:10:11

To anyone or Karen,

I just had my father post for me but I cannot find his. After three days of trying it seems like my computor desided to allow me to do this.

I am on Amineptine for the second time . The first time it worked very well and lifted my depression very much. This time it does not seem to be working. I have increased the dose the past few days to 300-400mg. I also take Ritlin, Klonopin and Perphenazine.Went off Topamax but am gaining wieght, bad for eating disorder.

I will be out of the Amineptine within a couple of weeks and mine was from Argentina. Any suggestions to obtain it??

I saw that amineptine was being augmented with amisulpride. Perhaps Reboxetine or Strattera? Again any suggestions?

The people on this site know a lot more than I and I would appreciate any input.

I have been on Parnate, Adafrinil, Reboxetine, several other stimulants that I cannot remember, almost all the SSRI's (waste of time) and Effexor which I had trouble taking because of another desease. I might try again but I doubt I will have luck. I was looking at Minacipran as an alternative.

I really am at the end of my rope. I barely get out of bed anymore and have a constant death wish. I found this site wich gave me a little more hope but this has been going on and getting worse for 30 years. Can anyone make any suggestions? My pdoc will go along with anything that even remotely makes sense.

Thank you,

iris1

my email is irene@pghmail.com

 

Re: amineptine:HELP! New to this

Posted by Cruz on October 15, 2003, at 18:47:00

In reply to amineptine:HELP! New to this , posted by iris2 on October 15, 2003, at 14:10:11


I can relate to your frustration. I have tried 50 or more treatments in 23 years. A couple have been quite helpfull for a few months then quit being effective.
I looked into trying Amineptine a few years ago but it looked like it was extremely difficult to obtain. Once or twice a year someone on psychobabble will post that they are being treated with Amineptine. Usually they are from Brazil.
Currently I am trying Strattera for my depression. It has only been 12 days so I don't know if it will be effective in the long run. There is some encouraging signs as my body is adjusting to the increasing doses. It might be something for you to consider.
Next year Cymbalta should be available in the USA and if Strattera does'nt work for me I will likely give it a try. I have'nt found a doc yet who would consider an Opioid for my treatment. It's something I would also like to give a try.
Well I just want you to know that your not alone in your struggle. Let us know your progress.Hope the best for you!


> To anyone or Karen,
>
> I just had my father post for me but I cannot find his. After three days of trying it seems like my computor desided to allow me to do this.
>
> I am on Amineptine for the second time . The first time it worked very well and lifted my depression very much. This time it does not seem to be working. I have increased the dose the past few days to 300-400mg. I also take Ritlin, Klonopin and Perphenazine.Went off Topamax but am gaining wieght, bad for eating disorder.
>
> I will be out of the Amineptine within a couple of weeks and mine was from Argentina. Any suggestions to obtain it??
>
> I saw that amineptine was being augmented with amisulpride. Perhaps Reboxetine or Strattera? Again any suggestions?
>
> The people on this site know a lot more than I and I would appreciate any input.
>
> I have been on Parnate, Adafrinil, Reboxetine, several other stimulants that I cannot remember, almost all the SSRI's (waste of time) and Effexor which I had trouble taking because of another desease. I might try again but I doubt I will have luck. I was looking at Minacipran as an alternative.
>
> I really am at the end of my rope. I barely get out of bed anymore and have a constant death wish. I found this site wich gave me a little more hope but this has been going on and getting worse for 30 years. Can anyone make any suggestions? My pdoc will go along with anything that even remotely makes sense.
>
> Thank you,
>
> iris1
>
> my email is irene@pghmail.com

 

Re: amineptine:HELP! New to this iris2

Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 15, 2003, at 20:16:42

In reply to amineptine:HELP! New to this , posted by iris2 on October 15, 2003, at 14:10:11

> I am on Amineptine for the second time . The first time it worked very well and lifted my depression very much. This time it does not seem to be working. I have increased the dose the past few days to 300-400mg. I also take Ritlin, Klonopin and Perphenazine.Went off Topamax but am gaining wieght, bad for eating disorder.

The perphenazine, being a dopamine antagonist, is likely inhibiting the activity of the amineptine (which is a dopamine agonist).

> I will be out of the Amineptine within a couple of weeks and mine was from Argentina. Any suggestions to obtain it??

Sorry -- I really wish I knew though. :-)

> I saw that amineptine was being augmented with amisulpride. Perhaps Reboxetine or Strattera? Again any suggestions?

What is the perphenazine being taken for? If not for a psychotic/disassociative type condition, I'd first talk to my doctor about discontinuing the antipsychotic, if I were you. Reboxetine and Strattera are noradrenergic in their effect, not dopaminergic, but a trial run surely couldn't hurt. Though I'd recommend Wellbutrin, Meridia, or Sanorex myself. Supplements to boost dopamine levels could be a great help as well -- DL-phenylalanine along with vitamins B6 and C is really wonderful. Phenylalanine is the starting point for dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine in the body. The DL form also seems to increase the action of endorphins/enkephalins within the brain, decreasing pain, depression, and anxiety. L-theanine, NADH, L-tyrosine and many other OTC supplements are also conducive to increased dopamine activity.

> I really am at the end of my rope. I barely get out of bed anymore and have a constant death wish. I found this site wich gave me a little more hope but this has been going on and getting worse for 30 years. Can anyone make any suggestions? My pdoc will go along with anything that even remotely makes sense.

I totally understand how rough this must be for you... you mentioned being on Ritalin -- I'm assuming you've probably tried amphetamines as you seem to have tried plenty of dopaminergic/noradrenergic drugs. If you have, apparently they were not as helpful as the Ritalin. Desoxyn (methamphetamine) may be better than the usual amphetamines prescribed (Dexedrine, DextroStat, Adderall) if you haven't already tried it. Some even say phentermine is much more mood-elevating than amphetamines... I haven't tried it personally.

Have you given other dopamine agonists a try? Drugs usually prescribed for Parkinson's disease, I mean. Mirapex, Requip, Symmetrel, Parlodel, Dostinex... or even carbidopa/levodopa (direct precursor to dopamine) or the MAO inhibitor selegiline which decreases action of only one form of MAO which destroys dopamine -- no dietary restrictions required at normal doses.

You might also want to look down some of the roads less traveled. Rilutek and Emend are two drugs that appear quite promising for depression and anxiety; many, myself included, also find solace primarily in opioid therapy for treatment-resistant depression. Ultram can work great, as can methadone and the various forms of buprenorphine available. Of course morphine, hydromorphone, oxycodone, etc. can be just great for depression, but with those you have to take something in addition to delay development of tolerance (e.g. NMDA antagonists, DL-phenylalanine, low-dose naltrexone).

 

Re: amineptine:HELP! New to this

Posted by iris2 on October 15, 2003, at 22:06:18

In reply to Re: amineptine:HELP! New to this , posted by Cruz on October 15, 2003, at 18:47:00

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

I will add the meds to my list to look up and take to my pdoc.

I really was going to take my beloved dogs to the humaine society tomorrow if I could even get out. Things are bad. Thanks for giving me a glimpse of hope.

The problem besides med resistance is that many meds especially those affecting dopamine which are stimulating I usually cannot take as I have a desease called Interstitial Cystitis. I have tried several other stimulants and cannot take them because I get severe pain in my bladder. Effexor does the same. Unfortunately these are the meds that would help me. I am going to try to take some anyway and take oxycontin with them. I have it because the pain gets so bad sometimes, but it has been several months. I have been using the oxycontin as an antidepressant of sorts occationally.

Thanks for this glimmer of hope. I have had a lot of glimmers but sometimes they get you through. But everyone that knows me knows that giving up the dogs well they are most of the time the only thing that keeps me bothering to stay alive. Sorry to be so despondent.

I am looking for a temporary place to stay out of my home where I live alone. I am not able to care for myself much these days. I have tried suicide before and obviously was not successfull. I am just so tired of trying to live instead of living. I am not even sure I would know how to anymore. I usually hide all this gloom from aquaintences but what do I have to loose here?

You have really helped me.

Thanks,

iris1

 

Re: amineptine:HELP! New to this Ame Sans Vie

Posted by loolot on October 16, 2003, at 11:21:30

In reply to Re: amineptine:HELP! New to this iris2, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 15, 2003, at 20:16:42

Is Meridia good for depression? How does it work? I have never heard this before!

 

Re: amineptine:HELP! New to this loolot

Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 16, 2003, at 11:57:56

In reply to Re: amineptine:HELP! New to this Ame Sans Vie, posted by loolot on October 16, 2003, at 11:21:30

Actually, one of Meridia's isomers (or maybe metabolites... I can't remember) is being investigated as an antidepressant. It's normally prescribed as a weight-loss aid. It's Effexor in reverse, to oversimplify things -- Effexor affects serotonin at lower doses, serotonin and norepinephrine at moderate doses, and serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine at high doses. Meridia does the exact opposite (first dopamine, then dopamine and norepinephrine, then all three), so may be better for those with a dopamine deficiency of some type.

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil?

Posted by btnd on October 16, 2003, at 22:19:07

In reply to Re: amineptine:HELP! New to this loolot, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 16, 2003, at 11:57:56

I know that Amineptine is now only available in Brazil, but is it actually manufactured there? or just being sold?

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil?

Posted by iris2 on October 17, 2003, at 15:49:36

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil?, posted by btnd on October 16, 2003, at 22:19:07

> I know that Amineptine is now only available in Brazil, but is it actually manufactured there? or just being sold?

I do not know. I am weary if it is not Survector though. Although I wonder if some of the original stuff is not getting old? What is your opinion? Someone gave me a site to order it from Brazil but I cannot figure out how as it is all in Portuguese.

Iris2

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil? iris2

Posted by btnd on October 17, 2003, at 18:54:34

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil?, posted by iris2 on October 17, 2003, at 15:49:36

> > I know that Amineptine is now only available in Brazil, but is it actually manufactured there? or just being sold?
>
> I do not know. I am weary if it is not Survector though. Although I wonder if some of the original stuff is not getting old? What is your opinion? Someone gave me a site to order it from Brazil but I cannot figure out how as it is all in Portuguese.
>

Can you drop me an email at mark77@gamebox.net, I try to translate as much Portugese as I can.

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil? YES!!!

Posted by Ramon Paz on October 18, 2003, at 4:34:44

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil? iris2, posted by btnd on October 17, 2003, at 18:54:34

> > > I know that Amineptine is now only available in Brazil, but is it actually manufactured there? or just being sold?
> >
> > I do not know. I am weary if it is not Survector though. Although I wonder if some of the original stuff is not getting old? What is your opinion? Someone gave me a site to order it from Brazil but I cannot figure out how as it is all in Portuguese.
> >
>
> Can you drop me an email at mark77@gamebox.net, I try to translate as much Portugese as I can.

I am from Brazil, and amineptine is made here under name os SURVECTOR 100mg. It is very different that reboxetine. Actually there inst something that I could really compare with it. Maybe Ritalin, but not so stimulant, or wellbutrin but more dopaminergic.Maybe like tianeptine. I can say it is Very good for the first time, and you can do cycles of survector cause itr tolerance is very quick. Any info about it, ask me here that I translate(at least what I can). Trust me dont take with IMAO and is exelent taken with wellbutrin. Dont forguet it is a TCA compound.
Well I'll be here tomorow hope to help some doubts.
tanks,
RVP

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil? YES!!! Ramon Paz

Posted by btnd on October 18, 2003, at 6:19:02

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil? YES!!!, posted by Ramon Paz on October 18, 2003, at 4:34:44

> > > > I know that Amineptine is now only available in Brazil, but is it actually manufactured there? or just being sold?
> > >
> > > I do not know. I am weary if it is not Survector though. Although I wonder if some of the original stuff is not getting old? What is your opinion? Someone gave me a site to order it from Brazil but I cannot figure out how as it is all in Portuguese.
> > >
> >
> > Can you drop me an email at mark77@gamebox.net, I try to translate as much Portugese as I can.
>
> I am from Brazil, and amineptine is made here under name os SURVECTOR 100mg. It is very different that reboxetine. Actually there inst something that I could really compare with it. Maybe Ritalin, but not so stimulant, or wellbutrin but more dopaminergic.Maybe like tianeptine. I can say it is Very good for the first time, and you can do cycles of survector cause itr tolerance is very quick. Any info about it, ask me here that I translate(at least what I can). Trust me dont take with IMAO and is exelent taken with wellbutrin. Dont forguet it is a TCA compound.
> Well I'll be here tomorow hope to help some doubts.
> tanks,
> RVP


Yeah I know all about amineptine, I used it when it was still manufactured by European producers of Survector. It was the best med I've ever tried. Could you drop me an email at mark77@gamebox.net so we could talk Portugese? ;-) Take care mate.
Brad

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil?

Posted by iris2 on March 18, 2004, at 12:44:44

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil?, posted by iris2 on October 17, 2003, at 15:49:36

> > I know that Amineptine is now only available in Brazil, but is it actually manufactured there? or just being sold?
>
> I do not know. I am weary if it is not Survector though. Although I wonder if some of the original stuff is not getting old? What is your opinion? Someone gave me a site to order it from Brazil but I cannot figure out how as it is all in Portuguese.
>
> Iris2
>
>

Roland,

The pharmacy link someone gave me on psycho-babble to a brazilian pharmacy
that I could not figure out how to order. I emailed them several times with
no reply. Here is
the site: xxx
If you type survector in the search box at the site it will give you amounts
and cost. I was able to get past the message box that comes up when you try
to order it but I do not remember how.

The sight I ordered from is: xxx
It looks to be current.

"Tablets are of original manufacture by Servier pharmaceutical". The tablets
I received WERE NOT original by Servier!! The original Servier tabs are
smallish white tabs and if not repacked are blister backed. The tabs I
received from this site were larger orange tabs not blister packed. I did
not take them.

Irene

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland" xxx
To: irene
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:25 AM
Subject: Psycho-Babble / Re: amineptine:Brazil?


> Hi Iris2!
>
> I am referring to:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031015/msgs/270296.html
> ------------------
> > I know that Amineptine is now only available in Brazil, but is it
actually
> manufactured there? or just being sold?
>
> I do not know. I am weary if it is not Survector though. Although I wonder
if
> some of the original stuff is not getting old? What is your opinion?
Someone
> gave me a site to order it from Brazil but I cannot figure out how as it
is
> all in Portuguese.
>
> Iris2
> ------------------
>
>
> Could you please send me the adress of the site, on which you can order
> Amineptine?!
>
>
> Many many thanks!
>
> Roland

 

Re: medication that hasn't been approved iris2

Posted by Dr. Bob on March 19, 2004, at 0:24:43

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil?, posted by iris2 on March 18, 2004, at 12:44:44

> The sight I ordered from is: xxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland" xxx

Please don't post information that identifies another poster without their permission or that could be used to import into the US medication that hasn't been approved by the FDA:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal

Thanks,

Bob

PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.

 

Re: medication that hasn't been approved

Posted by iris2 on March 23, 2004, at 11:16:29

In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved iris2, posted by Dr. Bob on March 19, 2004, at 0:24:43

> > The sight I ordered from is: xxx
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roland" xxx
>
> Please don't post information that identifies another poster without their permission or that could be used to import into the US medication that hasn't been approved by the FDA:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.

Dr Bob,

I do know better and I am sorry. I was in a rather confused state. It will not happen again.

iris2

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil?

Posted by iris2 on March 23, 2004, at 11:21:47

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil?, posted by iris2 on March 18, 2004, at 12:44:44

To the person who emailed me asking about amineptine. I cannot provide information to you on this sight. I am sorry that I posted your email. I was rather confused about it all when I tried to reply to you and I could not. I wanted to reply so I went to the psycho-babble sight. Untortunately I am in a very confused and depressed state so I messed up. It will not happen again. If you want to email me in private I need to be able to respond in like.

Thank You,
iris2

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil? iris2

Posted by douglass on April 10, 2004, at 18:17:50

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil?, posted by iris2 on March 18, 2004, at 12:44:44

> > > I know that Amineptine is now only available in Brazil, but is it actually manufactured there? or just being sold?

how do you know it is now ONLY available in Brazil? I like to keep on top of who makes it and what country still sells it. Do you have some documentation to that fact?
Brazil does make it as I have a original blisterpack with the large orange pills in it saying Servier Br. If I could somehow put a scan photo of it on this board I would to prove that it came from servier Br.It is Survector 100mg.


> >
> > I do not know. I am weary if it is not Survector though. Although I wonder if some of the original stuff is not getting old? What is your opinion? Someone gave me a site to order it from Brazil but I cannot figure out how as it is all in Portuguese.
> >
> > Iris2

Irene, the co. servier makes it as a legal medication for their specific country and is thus dated. The pharmacies you buy it from keep only dated stock on hand, you would have to be dealing with a not so reputable source that won't at least give you a few in the original packaging for your peace of mind. Besides, if properly stored(refrigerated)it's a very stable compound and would last for years before any noticeable degradaton occurs.
I would also e mail that potugese pharmacy, they may speak in english and help you get some. If you don't try, you'll never know.

> >
> >
>
> Roland,
>
> The pharmacy link someone gave me on psycho-babble to a brazilian pharmacy
> that I could not figure out how to order. I emailed them several times with
> no reply. Here is
> the site: xxx
> If you type survector in the search box at the site it will give you amounts
> and cost. I was able to get past the message box that comes up when you try
> to order it but I do not remember how.
>
> The sight I ordered from is: xxx
> It looks to be current.
>
> "Tablets are of original manufacture by Servier pharmaceutical". The tablets
> I received WERE NOT original by Servier!! The original Servier tabs are
> smallish white tabs and if not repacked are blister backed. The tabs I
> received from this site were larger orange tabs not blister packed. I did
> not take them.
>
> Irene

I also got the small white pills from argentina for over a year and came in blister pack with box flattened out. I have a picture of these and look exactly like the ones on a web site for amineptine. Then Argentina stopped making them so i switched sources and got the large orange pills as you did. I wrote where I purchased them as they were repackaged and asked for the original package and blister pack of a few of them. He sent them and they said servier Br so I am very sure,99% sure that they are the real thing as they also have the same effect as the white ones, and I've been taking the large orange ones now for 9 months and feel the great way i did on the white pills. I think you past up an opportunity to get the real thing.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland" xxx
> To: irene
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:25 AM
> Subject: Psycho-Babble / Re: amineptine:Brazil?
>
>
> > Hi Iris2!
> >
> > I am referring to:
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031015/msgs/270296.html
> > ------------------
> > > I know that Amineptine is now only available in Brazil, but is it
> actually
> > manufactured there? or just being sold?
> >
> > I do not know. I am weary if it is not Survector though. Although I wonder
> if
> > some of the original stuff is not getting old? What is your opinion?
> Someone
> > gave me a site to order it from Brazil but I cannot figure out how as it
> is
> > all in Portuguese.
> >
> > Iris2
> > ------------------
> >
> >
> > Could you please send me the adress of the site, on which you can order
> > Amineptine?!

if you google amineptine, you will come to the site that sells amineptine(survector)

douglass
> >
> >
> > Many many thanks!
> >
> > Roland
>

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil?

Posted by rod on April 10, 2004, at 18:53:57

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil? iris2, posted by douglass on April 10, 2004, at 18:17:50

The funny thing is, that survector in france told me that its no longer manufactured and sold in *any* country in the world. But it is indeed avaiable in brasil, but I wrote directly to Servier Labs Brasil, and the have never answerd to my mail. If one would live in brasil, you could mail order it from various internet pharamcise with their own delivery service.

Dont think i am paranoid, but I think Servier does not want that Survector "get out" of this/these countries, because I think they fear that the FDA would then pressure this country to take it off the market completely, to stop the flow of Survector into countries like the US for example. I think Servier prefers to make little money (by restricting its avaiability) than make no money at all (if the FDA pressures also these countries, which then result in withdrawing it from the market).
One MD from a brasilian pharmacy told me that they are not allowed to export it by "brasilian legislation" (litterally). :-(
So maybe they have an extra law about Survector, to satisfy the FDA. But thats just a speculation..

Roland

 

Re: amineptine:Brazil?

Posted by sukarno on May 2, 2005, at 5:54:30

In reply to Re: amineptine:Brazil?, posted by rod on April 10, 2004, at 18:53:57

Please email me. I would like to know if amineptine (Survector) is still available in Brazil. It appears to not be available here in Indonesia anymore (pharmacist said the distributor told him that all the Survector here is "expired"..I'm not sure what he means by that). It was produced here through the year 2004, so maybe "expired" means it is banned? I hope not. :-(

Paul

xxx


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