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COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD

Posted by freedom2001 on July 8, 2003, at 23:43:02

Morning 7am-8am
60 mg generic prozac
1 mg clonazepam
800 mg calcium
300 mg magnesium
10 mg zinc
1000 mg Vitamin C time release
Cereals

Afternoon
Lunch (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)
2 bananas served with ice (equivalent to 800 mg potassium and contains 5HTP-good serotonin booster)

Evening 4pm-5pm
20 mg generic prozac
1 mg clonazepam
800 mg calcium
300 mg magnesium
10 mg zinc
1000 mg Vitamin C time release
Dinner (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)

Night (10pm-11pm)
3 High Concentration Fish oils (1500 mg EPA + 900 mg DHA) - these are the weight of the EPA+DHA, not the capsules themselves
25 mg trazodone (for peaceful sleep)

Have Plenty of Sleep and Rest

Go Swimming and do non-competitive exercises at least 2 times a week.

Use Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

 

Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD

Posted by ace on July 10, 2003, at 0:51:43

In reply to COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD, posted by freedom2001 on July 8, 2003, at 23:43:02

> Morning 7am-8am
> 60 mg generic prozac
> 1 mg clonazepam
> 800 mg calcium
> 300 mg magnesium
> 10 mg zinc
> 1000 mg Vitamin C time release
> Cereals
>
> Afternoon
> Lunch (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)
> 2 bananas served with ice (equivalent to 800 mg potassium and contains 5HTP-good serotonin booster)
>
> Evening 4pm-5pm
> 20 mg generic prozac
> 1 mg clonazepam
> 800 mg calcium
> 300 mg magnesium
> 10 mg zinc
> 1000 mg Vitamin C time release
> Dinner (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)
>
> Night (10pm-11pm)
> 3 High Concentration Fish oils (1500 mg EPA + 900 mg DHA) - these are the weight of the EPA+DHA, not the capsules themselves
> 25 mg trazodone (for peaceful sleep)
>
> Have Plenty of Sleep and Rest
>
> Go Swimming and do non-competitive exercises at least 2 times a week.
>
> Use Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

Not sure about this Freedom...depends on the person. For many OCD'ers can make them much worse.

I think your sports idea is great, but I'm sure if thid would have even an inderect influence on OCD, other than just distraction from the thoughts. I've been meaning to ask this a long time: what other drugs have you tried besides prozac?

Take Care mate,
Ace.

 

Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD ace

Posted by freedom2001 on July 10, 2003, at 2:47:00

In reply to Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD, posted by ace on July 10, 2003, at 0:51:43

> > Morning 7am-8am
> > 60 mg generic prozac
> > 1 mg clonazepam
> > 800 mg calcium
> > 300 mg magnesium
> > 10 mg zinc
> > 1000 mg Vitamin C time release
> > Cereals
> >
> > Afternoon
> > Lunch (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)
> > 2 bananas served with ice (equivalent to 800 mg potassium and contains 5HTP-good serotonin booster)
> >
> > Evening 4pm-5pm
> > 20 mg generic prozac
> > 1 mg clonazepam
> > 800 mg calcium
> > 300 mg magnesium
> > 10 mg zinc
> > 1000 mg Vitamin C time release
> > Dinner (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)
> >
> > Night (10pm-11pm)
> > 3 High Concentration Fish oils (1500 mg EPA + 900 mg DHA) - these are the weight of the EPA+DHA, not the capsules themselves
> > 25 mg trazodone (for peaceful sleep)
> >
> > Have Plenty of Sleep and Rest
> >
> > Go Swimming and do non-competitive exercises at least 2 times a week.
> >
> > Use Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
>
> Not sure about this Freedom...depends on the person. For many OCD'ers can make them much worse.
>
> I think your sports idea is great, but I'm sure if thid would have even an inderect influence on OCD, other than just distraction from the thoughts. I've been meaning to ask this a long time: what other drugs have you tried besides prozac?
>
> Take Care mate,
> Ace.

Hi, long time no see, buddy.

What do you mean for others it can make them much worse?

I've tried anafranil and paroxetine.

 

Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD

Posted by avid abulia on July 10, 2003, at 12:16:31

In reply to Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD ace, posted by freedom2001 on July 10, 2003, at 2:47:00

Although i have quite odd neurology, and can scarcely be taken as a model for what might work...

I use Lamictal and Keppra, and Inversine PRN, and after i finally got my Keppra up to the dose i need to be taking (1500mg twice daily) i experienced some remission of Tourette's syndrome and obsessive-compulsive symptoms.

And LOTS of exercise, LOL, it does cause release of endorphins, serotonin, some other good stuff, and it decreases levels of noradrenaline... pretty good for OCD, i experience an increase in symptoms within a day or two if i can't get out walking for at least two hours every day.

~AA

 

Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD

Posted by ace on July 10, 2003, at 23:46:22

In reply to Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD ? ace, posted by freedom2001 on July 10, 2003, at 2:47:00

> > > Morning 7am-8am
> > > 60 mg generic prozac
> > > 1 mg clonazepam
> > > 800 mg calcium
> > > 300 mg magnesium
> > > 10 mg zinc
> > > 1000 mg Vitamin C time release
> > > Cereals
> > >
> > > Afternoon
> > > Lunch (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)
> > > 2 bananas served with ice (equivalent to 800 mg potassium and contains 5HTP-good serotonin booster)
> > >
> > > Evening 4pm-5pm
> > > 20 mg generic prozac
> > > 1 mg clonazepam
> > > 800 mg calcium
> > > 300 mg magnesium
> > > 10 mg zinc
> > > 1000 mg Vitamin C time release
> > > Dinner (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)
> > >
> > > Night (10pm-11pm)
> > > 3 High Concentration Fish oils (1500 mg EPA + 900 mg DHA) - these are the weight of the EPA+DHA, not the capsules themselves
> > > 25 mg trazodone (for peaceful sleep)
> > >
> > > Have Plenty of Sleep and Rest
> > >
> > > Go Swimming and do non-competitive exercises at least 2 times a week.
> > >
> > > Use Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
> >
> > Not sure about this Freedom...depends on the person. For many OCD'ers can make them much worse.
> >
> > I think your sports idea is great, but I'm sure if thid would have even an inderect influence on OCD, other than just distraction from the thoughts. I've been meaning to ask this a long time: what other drugs have you tried besides prozac?
> >
> > Take Care mate,
> > Ace.
>
> Hi, long time no see, buddy.
>
> What do you mean for others it can make them much worse?

It made me MUCH worse. To me I was scratching a wound (the OCD). In my opinion words can't heal broken legs or broken brains (chemical imbalances) . Just my opinion.

Take Care OCD man,
Ace.


> I've tried anafranil and paroxetine.

 

Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD avid abulia

Posted by freedom2001 on July 11, 2003, at 0:11:15

In reply to Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD, posted by avid abulia on July 10, 2003, at 12:16:31

> Although i have quite odd neurology, and can scarcely be taken as a model for what might work...
>
> I use Lamictal and Keppra, and Inversine PRN, and after i finally got my Keppra up to the dose i need to be taking (1500mg twice daily) i experienced some remission of Tourette's syndrome and obsessive-compulsive symptoms.
>
> And LOTS of exercise, LOL, it does cause release of endorphins, serotonin, some other good stuff, and it decreases levels of noradrenaline... pretty good for OCD, i experience an increase in symptoms within a day or two if i can't get out walking for at least two hours every day.
>
> ~AA


nice to hear that your OCD seems to be under good control.

Swimming is great exercise therapy for OCD, it shackles your whole body, refreshes you completely with water etc. But after swimming, one needs to take some good non-junk food for energy lost.

 

Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD ace

Posted by freedom2001 on July 11, 2003, at 0:15:19

In reply to Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD, posted by ace on July 10, 2003, at 23:46:22

> > > > Morning 7am-8am
> > > > 60 mg generic prozac
> > > > 1 mg clonazepam
> > > > 800 mg calcium
> > > > 300 mg magnesium
> > > > 10 mg zinc
> > > > 1000 mg Vitamin C time release
> > > > Cereals
> > > >
> > > > Afternoon
> > > > Lunch (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)
> > > > 2 bananas served with ice (equivalent to 800 mg potassium and contains 5HTP-good serotonin booster)
> > > >
> > > > Evening 4pm-5pm
> > > > 20 mg generic prozac
> > > > 1 mg clonazepam
> > > > 800 mg calcium
> > > > 300 mg magnesium
> > > > 10 mg zinc
> > > > 1000 mg Vitamin C time release
> > > > Dinner (avoid high sodium, MSG, fast foods, soft drinks and snacks)
> > > >
> > > > Night (10pm-11pm)
> > > > 3 High Concentration Fish oils (1500 mg EPA + 900 mg DHA) - these are the weight of the EPA+DHA, not the capsules themselves
> > > > 25 mg trazodone (for peaceful sleep)
> > > >
> > > > Have Plenty of Sleep and Rest
> > > >
> > > > Go Swimming and do non-competitive exercises at least 2 times a week.
> > > >
> > > > Use Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
> > >
> > > Not sure about this Freedom...depends on the person. For many OCD'ers can make them much worse.
> > >
> > > I think your sports idea is great, but I'm sure if thid would have even an inderect influence on OCD, other than just distraction from the thoughts. I've been meaning to ask this a long time: what other drugs have you tried besides prozac?
> > >
> > > Take Care mate,
> > > Ace.
> >
> > Hi, long time no see, buddy.
> >
> > What do you mean for others it can make them much worse?
>
> It made me MUCH worse. To me I was scratching a wound (the OCD). In my opinion words can't heal broken legs or broken brains (chemical imbalances) . Just my opinion.
>
> Take Care OCD man,
> Ace.
>
>
> > I've tried anafranil and paroxetine.
>
>

Can you tell me what did you take that make your OCD much worse? I would appreciate if you share your knowledge with us.

I remembered that during my college years, when I was taking plenty of Vitamin C and Calcium supplements, I had a complete remission of OCD symptoms. I also read that calcium deficiency may be implicated in OCD.

So could nutritional deficiency be one of the causes of OCD? I highly suspect so.

 

Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD

Posted by avid abulia on July 13, 2003, at 15:03:01

In reply to Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD ace, posted by freedom2001 on July 11, 2003, at 0:15:19

> > > > > Use Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
> > > >
> > > > Not sure about this Freedom...depends on the person. For many OCD'ers can make them much worse.
> > > >
> > > > I think your sports idea is great, but I'm sure if thid would have even an inderect influence on OCD, other than just distraction from the thoughts. I've been meaning to ask this a long time: what other drugs have you tried besides prozac?
> >
> > It made me MUCH worse. To me I was scratching a wound (the OCD). In my opinion words can't heal broken legs or broken brains (chemical imbalances) . Just my opinion.

Perhaps what made you worse was too high of an intake of zinc? Zinc acts as an allosteric negative modulator of GABA receptors, among it's many other neurological effects--in otherwords, it limits the effect that stimulation of GABA receptors will have. Several drugs used to treat OCD, including Depakote, clonazepam, and Keppra, reverse this particular effect of zinc. An increase in copper (through dietary sources, supplemental copper is fairly dangerous--blackstrap molasses is a rich source, as are avocados and chocolate, probably a lot of others as well, i'm not sure... and citrus fruits increase copper absorption.

As regards words fixing broken brains--one must remember that fMRI studies have proven that different types of thoughts produce different areas of greater or lesser activation in the brain, so CBT has laboratory back-up as well as a great deal of clinical back-up as a potentially successful technique for helping to re-establish more normal brain function.

A lot of times, i wonder just how much the chemical imbalance theory has worked against psychiatric patients... i mean, it has obviously worked for us, as regards the stigma of mental illness, but i wonder just how much of a negative placebo effect it has caused--a reversal through belief of something that might otherwise help--because so many people think that, because the problem is biological, it cannot be helped with behavioural therapies. It would seem quite obvious to me that if the biology is producing aberrant behaviour/emotions, it could work both ways... modification of behaviour/emotions could produce a modification of aberrant biology.

My 2 cents on the matter, anyway.

~AA

 

Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD

Posted by freedom2001 on July 13, 2003, at 20:18:44

In reply to Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD, posted by avid abulia on July 13, 2003, at 15:03:01

> > > > > > Use Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure about this Freedom...depends on the person. For many OCD'ers can make them much worse.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think your sports idea is great, but I'm sure if thid would have even an inderect influence on OCD, other than just distraction from the thoughts. I've been meaning to ask this a long time: what other drugs have you tried besides prozac?
> > >
> > > It made me MUCH worse. To me I was scratching a wound (the OCD). In my opinion words can't heal broken legs or broken brains (chemical imbalances) . Just my opinion.
>
> Perhaps what made you worse was too high of an intake of zinc? Zinc acts as an allosteric negative modulator of GABA receptors, among it's many other neurological effects--in otherwords, it limits the effect that stimulation of GABA receptors will have. Several drugs used to treat OCD, including Depakote, clonazepam, and Keppra, reverse this particular effect of zinc. An increase in copper (through dietary sources, supplemental copper is fairly dangerous--blackstrap molasses is a rich source, as are avocados and chocolate, probably a lot of others as well, i'm not sure... and citrus fruits increase copper absorption.
>
> As regards words fixing broken brains--one must remember that fMRI studies have proven that different types of thoughts produce different areas of greater or lesser activation in the brain, so CBT has laboratory back-up as well as a great deal of clinical back-up as a potentially successful technique for helping to re-establish more normal brain function.
>
> A lot of times, i wonder just how much the chemical imbalance theory has worked against psychiatric patients... i mean, it has obviously worked for us, as regards the stigma of mental illness, but i wonder just how much of a negative placebo effect it has caused--a reversal through belief of something that might otherwise help--because so many people think that, because the problem is biological, it cannot be helped with behavioural therapies. It would seem quite obvious to me that if the biology is producing aberrant behaviour/emotions, it could work both ways... modification of behaviour/emotions could produce a modification of aberrant biology.
>
> My 2 cents on the matter, anyway.
>
> ~AA

But from what I have read, zinc seems to help OCD. Or does higher intakes of zinc worsens OCD?

"Generally, OCD patients respond nicely to methonine, SAMe, calcium, magnesium, B-6, Inositol, TMG, and zinc. Most OCD patients get worse if given supplements of DMAE, choline, copper, or folic acid.
Mary Reed, Herbalist
http://www.marysherbs.com/";

 

Re: lexapro

Posted by bunch on July 14, 2003, at 19:44:54

In reply to Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD, posted by avid abulia on July 13, 2003, at 15:03:01

I am battling depression...in Jan.03, I had to have a double masctemony. I was fine with this until my oncologolist put me on armidex, to get rid of any hormones my body would make....I took this from Feb through April, then quit when I realized it was causing depression, I had been on Celexa 10 mg. for 2 years because of a similar incident. My GP put me on 20 mg of lexepro. My question is.Is this too much? when should I get some relief? I have been on it only 5 days.

 

Re: lexapro

Posted by Mariposa on July 15, 2003, at 11:06:42

In reply to Re: lexapro, posted by bunch on July 14, 2003, at 19:49:13

> I am battling depression...in Jan.03, I had to have a double masctemony. I was fine with this until my oncologolist put me on armidex, to get rid of any hormones my body would make....I took this from Feb through April, then quit when I realized it was causing depression, I had been on Celexa 10 mg. for 2 years because of a similar incident. My GP put me on 20 mg of lexepro. My question is.Is this too much? when should I get some relief? I have been on it only 5 days.

From monitoring posts here, I would say most people start out at lower dosage, I started at 5mg, some even start at 2.5mg. Initial SE's can be severe for some, cutting down on dosage sometimes helps w/SE's. SE's can last as long as 4-6 weeks, but others have no SE's or very minor ones. Literature says it may take 6-8 weeks to feel *benefits*, that's how long it took for me. Best of Luck to you!~~~8|8


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