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Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds-BarbaraCat

Posted by nmk on July 10, 2003, at 13:37:14

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds, posted by nmk on July 10, 2003, at 13:36:02

> Hi Barbara,
>
> I have a question for you. The holistic MD that I saw last week had me start on a 7% progesterone cream (1/8 teaspoon days 1-13 of my cycle and 1/4 teaspoon x 2 per day from day 14 until menses). He felt this would provide some relief for me until the results of my bloodwork come back in a few weeks. Anyway, I have been on it for 5 days and have noticed that my depression is worse than usual at this point in my cycle. The doc is out of town for two weeks and I am wondering if I should hold off on the cream until I see him in a few weeks. Prior to that appt., I will be meeting with my pdoc and I fear that I will see the eyes rolling when I tell him about this.
>
> I know that synthetic progestins can induce depression but what about natural progesterone? Also, shouldn't progesterone be used in conjunction with estrogen? Are you taking any natural hormone supplements and if so, how does your doc determine how much to administer from month to month since it would vary throughout your cycle? Does she measure hormone levels throughout the month? This is soooooooooo confusing.
>
> Do you have any great books to recommend? I am trying to gather as much information as possible so I don't sound like a babbling idiot when I meet with all these docs.
>
> Thanks again Barbara for everything....you are a sweetheart.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Nicole


Forgot to forward to you :)

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds-BarbaraCat

Posted by noa on July 10, 2003, at 18:51:55

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds-BarbaraCat, posted by nmk on July 10, 2003, at 13:37:14

Years ago, for irregular menstrual periods, a doctor put me on progesterone. It did two things: gave me horrible acne and made me very depressed. It didn't even seem to regulate my cycle all that well anyway.

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds-BarbaraCat nmk

Posted by Barbara Cat on July 10, 2003, at 19:43:08

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds-BarbaraCat, posted by nmk on July 10, 2003, at 13:37:14

Hi Nicole,
This whole topic of hormones is sooooo confusing, I totally agree. First of all, your progesterone question. As I recall, you have suspected PCOS? It's not something I know very much about. I'll look it up, but in the meantime I wonder if your doc is treating you for estrogen excess, which is a very common malady. Many toxins in our environment act as endocrine disruptors, as if we didn't have enough to deal with already.

I had a buildup of my endometrium because I wasn't absorbing progesterone and wound up with an estrogen excess condition. You're right, there has to be a balance between estrogen and progesterone. There has to be a balance of testosterone as well. And testing? It's the rare doc who does testing. They claim that none of them are reliable and, as one admitted to me, they don't know what to do with the data(!). This is simply outrageous! There are reliable tests and a good knowledgable health professional will use them until things are stable. I get very frustrated about the one size fits all unless you hemorrage theory.

It sure sounds like you feel better on more estrogen than you're getting. Progesterone 'opposes' estrogen, so the more you get, the less estrogen your cells uptake. I don't know what your doc has in mind about this. It sounds like his idea that you'd feel better on progesterone alone isn't working. As far as should you go off it, that's something only you can decide. If it makes you feel horrible but it's not medically necessary then I'd question whether it's not needless discomfort. Especially while your doc isn't available for guidance. Is there another doc he's referring to for emergencies? Maybe you could discuss it with them.

I'll look up PCOS and get back to you with some book suggestions. There is one I haven't read but heard raves about, Dr. Christiane Northrup "The Wisdom of Menopause" which extensively goes into hormones. Anything by her is a winner.

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds Barbara Cat

Posted by galkeepinon on July 10, 2003, at 23:51:48

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds nmk, posted by Barbara Cat on July 10, 2003, at 1:59:49

Hi Girlfriends,
My problem is I don't get my periods:( I saw the book in the post and I'm going to check that out. This has gone on too long and it's not normal and I think the fact I don't get a period plays a definate part in all this mental stuff.

(a very worried/perplexed Gal-who gets no period)


> Hi Girlfriends,
> First of all, Gal, it sure sounds like you've got a hormonal imbalance that is certainly making you feel awful in every way. It may not be the whole story to your moods, but it's definitely not helping. Two weeks before your period, progesterone is on the rise and estrogen is low. Menstruation starts when the rising progesterone sharply drops. A few days into the menses, estrogen starts it's rise again in the relative absence of progesterone. What your moods are wisely telling you is that for now they prefer estrogen and hate progesterone. This may not be what your body actually needs but the emotional body seems to have it's own opinions. These hormones are potent mood regulators. Just ask any man whose been in the line of fire of a woman's PMS.
>
> I'm seeing a naturopath who I have great faith in. She's an expert in hormonal imbalances and how it all interrelates. Her impression, and one that I share, is that prolonged stress damages the HPA axis. The pituitary and the hypothalamus have to be talking to each other in order to regulate the endocrine system which is delicate to begin with. Add a mood disorder, menopause, anything to tip it, and the imbalances start to feed off each other. It's appearing that in many cases, both the hormones and the limbic system in the brain have to be adressed simulataneously. Something to keep in mind is that the areas of the brain that manufacture neurotransmitters (which are also hormones) are very dense with estrogen receptors. You'd think this would ring some bells in the psych world, but still they snore.
>
> I'll keep you posted on what I find out because I think it will apply to all of us. One thing I know for sure. Synthetic hormones will not do. Sometimes they're necessary short term to shock the system into action, but definitely not long term. There are no exceptions to this rule. They cause more problems than they're worth and most doctors, including OB/Gyn's are simply clueless on this subject. Unfortunately, all the many books out there can't seem to decide on any protocol either but we still have to do the research. We're on the cutting edge. Great. -- BarbaraCat
>
>
> > > hi Nicole, please get back to me on this. I have PCOS and am wondering if all my suffering has been due to this. I have been tested and tested a zillion times, blood, surgeries, etc. it's a long story, but the book you speak of? What is it all about??? I felt 110% better ALWAYS after I had a period and I don't get them anymore at all. Once in a while my doc will give me Progesgterone pills to start my menses-but ohhhhh they make me irritable and depressed. What is a woman to do then? I truly believe with all my heart that not having regular periods has a definite role in ou psychological wellness!!!
> > >
> > > Would love to hear back
> > > thanks
> > > Gal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > Hi Gal,
> >
> > Please look up further in this thread and read the response from BarbaraCat. She discusses the mind/body connection better than I ever could. The book I mentioned discusses how our reproductive hormones play such a critical role in our mood states and how these vary throughout the month with the rise and fall of estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. Some women, especially BP women, are extremely sensitive to any fluctuation in hormones and as a result, suffer month to month. Like you, I feel ok the first two weeks of my cycle, but then crash into depression and anxiety for the last two weeks.
> >
> > Your PCOS is most likely affecting your mood states and I would get to a pdoc who specializes in reproductive hormone disorders. I am currently having a complete hormone, thyroid, etc. etc profile done to see where there are any deficiencies. Like you, synthetic progesterone caused depression but hopefully, I will respond better to natural estrogen, progesterone, etc.. It's worth a shot and if that doesn't help, I can always go back to my never-ending search for the right med-combo. Let me know what happens.
> >
> > Nicole
> >
> >
>
>

 

Barbara Cat..I hear ya loud and clear!!!!!thanks Barbara Cat

Posted by galkeepinon on July 10, 2003, at 23:56:57

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds nmk, posted by Barbara Cat on July 10, 2003, at 1:59:49

BINGO when you say this>>>> Synthetic hormones will not do. Sometimes they're necessary short term to shock the system into action. They cause more problems than they're worth and most doctors, including OB/Gyn's are simply clueless on this subject. Unfortunately, all the many books out there can't seem to decide on any protocol either but we still have to do the research. We're on the cutting edge. Great. -- BarbaraCat.........I so agree with you. My doctor gives me 10 days of progesterone pills to get a period and I do it once in a great while if I want to just to get a period-but I don't usually because it makes depression worse-no doubt about it-there has to be an easier way.

Gal


Hi Girlfriends,
> First of all, Gal, it sure sounds like you've got a hormonal imbalance that is certainly making you feel awful in every way. It may not be the whole story to your moods, but it's definitely not helping. Two weeks before your period, progesterone is on the rise and estrogen is low. Menstruation starts when the rising progesterone sharply drops. A few days into the menses, estrogen starts it's rise again in the relative absence of progesterone. What your moods are wisely telling you is that for now they prefer estrogen and hate progesterone. This may not be what your body actually needs but the emotional body seems to have it's own opinions. These hormones are potent mood regulators. Just ask any man whose been in the line of fire of a woman's PMS.
>
> I'm seeing a naturopath who I have great faith in. She's an expert in hormonal imbalances and how it all interrelates. Her impression, and one that I share, is that prolonged stress damages the HPA axis. The pituitary and the hypothalamus have to be talking to each other in order to regulate the endocrine system which is delicate to begin with. Add a mood disorder, menopause, anything to tip it, and the imbalances start to feed off each other. It's appearing that in many cases, both the hormones and the limbic system in the brain have to be adressed simulataneously. Something to keep in mind is that the areas of the brain that manufacture neurotransmitters (which are also hormones) are very dense with estrogen receptors. You'd think this would ring some bells in the psych world, but still they snore.
>
> I'll keep you posted on what I find out because I think it will apply to all of us. One thing I know for sure. Synthetic hormones will not do. Sometimes they're necessary short term to shock the system into action, but definitely not long term. There are no exceptions to this rule. They cause more problems than they're worth and most doctors, including OB/Gyn's are simply clueless on this subject. Unfortunately, all the many books out there can't seem to decide on any protocol either but we still have to do the research. We're on the cutting edge. Great. -- BarbaraCat

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds nmk

Posted by galkeepinon on July 11, 2003, at 0:04:55

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds galkeepinon, posted by nmk on July 9, 2003, at 11:18:15

Hi Nicole, thanks so much. I haven't been online for a few-hitting some depression bumps. Hope you're doing good. I did see BarbaraCats post-thanks. I'm going to check out that book for sure. It sounds very interesting. I have had a full hormonal work up thyroid also and everything always checks out fine except 1 thing........I get no periods!!!! My periods have been so irregular for soooooo long. And that is normal? I see my doc in a few weeeks and I really neeed to talk to her about my options here. That just isn't healthy. I feel so much better-physically and emotionally when I'm regular-I KNOW it is so vital to our moods.

Did you get your profile done yet? Please let me know how it goes with you ok? I tried that progesterone cream-no go-made me sick.

Keep in touch ok please. Hang in there, thinking of you.

Gal


> > Hi Gal,
>
> Please look up further in this thread and read the response from BarbaraCat. She discusses the mind/body connection better than I ever could. The book I mentioned discusses how our reproductive hormones play such a critical role in our mood states and how these vary throughout the month with the rise and fall of estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. Some women, especially BP women, are extremely sensitive to any fluctuation in hormones and as a result, suffer month to month. Like you, I feel ok the first two weeks of my cycle, but then crash into depression and anxiety for the last two weeks.
>
> Your PCOS is most likely affecting your mood states and I would get to a pdoc who specializes in reproductive hormone disorders. I am currently having a complete hormone, thyroid, etc. etc profile done to see where there are any deficiencies. Like you, synthetic progesterone caused depression but hopefully, I will respond better to natural estrogen, progesterone, etc.. It's worth a shot and if that doesn't help, I can always go back to my never-ending search for the right med-combo. Let me know what happens.
>
> Nicole
>
>

 

Hormonal info!!

Posted by Barbara Cat on July 11, 2003, at 15:26:19

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds nmk, posted by galkeepinon on July 11, 2003, at 0:04:55

Here's a link about amennorhhea (no periods). This whole site has a ton of information about everything.

http://www.theberries.ns.ca/archives/amenbk.html

Whether it's erratic periods, PCOS, thyroid problems, the theme that keeps reappearing in all these hormonal problems is a dysfunction in the hypothalamus. It can no longer function as it needs to in order to communicate with the pituitary, the 'Master Gland'. The whole HPA axis disorder is becoming more and more linked to all of our woes - depression, anxiety, hypothyroidism, reproductive problems, fatigue, weight gain. It's all related to malfunctioning hormones.

And what causes the hypothalamus to malfunction? Stress, stress and more stress. The chemicals produced by long term stress act as neurotoxins in the limbic brain center. The hypothalamus and thalamus in people with mood disorders have been shown on brain imaging to be smaller with less electrical activity. Corticotrophin factor, produced by cortisol, literally destroys the receptors at these sites.

With chronic stress the 'fight/flight' hypervigilence chemicals continue to be secreted (even though it's bedtime), the adrenals get thoroughly exhausted, the brain is structually damaged, hormones get confused, the body suffers, more stress is created, on and on. This is the source and this is what must be treated rather than giving us a hormone here and there, or an antidepressant without considering the ramifications of the whole system.

Eventually, all endocrine systems will malfunction if this stress cycle is not stopped. Believe me, I've been there and done that. How to heal it? Good question. It's looking like the adrenals have to be first in line. We also have to take an active role in destressing, exercising, meditation, eating well, healthy breathing - all that stuff we hate to do when we're down. Somehow the stress cycle, which takes on a life of it's own, has to be broken. I'm working with a great naturopath and will keep you posted.

 

((((((Hugs))))))To You Barbara Cat Thank You:) (nm) Barbara Cat

Posted by galkeepinon on July 11, 2003, at 16:15:27

In reply to Hormonal info!!, posted by Barbara Cat on July 11, 2003, at 15:26:19

 

Barb, Re: Hormonal info!!

Posted by McPac on July 11, 2003, at 22:35:36

In reply to Hormonal info!!, posted by Barbara Cat on July 11, 2003, at 15:26:19

Barb, I just got results back from a recent TSH test---it was 2.1
Don't know much about thyroid levels as this was never a problem before (my TSH test 9 months ago was 3.1)
Isn't this 2.1 level LOW? I have felt very, very sluggish this past year...unmotivated, lethargic.
Thanks!

 

Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!! McPac

Posted by Barbara Cat on July 12, 2003, at 11:32:38

In reply to Barb, Re: Hormonal info!!, posted by McPac on July 11, 2003, at 22:35:36

TSH of 2.1 is a good level. The lower, the better (.5 - 2.0 being ideal). If your levels are high it means that the pituitary keeps pumping out Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) to prod the thyroid into action because it doesn't detect enough of the hormone in the blood. Lower levels means that pituitary detects adequate blood levels of thryoxine and doesn't have to keep trying to stimulate the thryoid to produce it.

However, TSH alone does not measure how the thyroxine is getting into your cells or if you have an autoimmune form, thyroiditis or Hashimoto's. A thorough thyroid workup includes free T3 and T4 levels, thyroid antibodies, and reverse T3 tests, but few docs will order these unless you insist.

Are you already taking thyroid pills of T4 only (synthroid, levothroid)? If so, you might want to add T3. It makes a huge difference for some people, myself included, who have problems converting T4 into T3, the active form. If you're not taking thyroid meds then it's best not to start if you don't really need them. Your own thyroid will stop producing in the presence of outside sources.

If all other tests are normal, especially anemia, then I'd suggest finding a real good naturopath or someone who could work with you closely. Fatigue is a tricky thing to hunt down and most primary care facilities don't have the time or knowledge. - Barbara


> Barb, I just got results back from a recent TSH test---it was 2.1
> Don't know much about thyroid levels as this was never a problem before (my TSH test 9 months ago was 3.1)
> Isn't this 2.1 level LOW? I have felt very, very sluggish this past year...unmotivated, lethargic.
> Thanks!

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds galkeepinon

Posted by Larry Hoover on July 12, 2003, at 12:22:25

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds Barbara Cat, posted by galkeepinon on July 10, 2003, at 23:51:48

> Hi Girlfriends,
> My problem is I don't get my periods:( I saw the book in the post and I'm going to check that out. This has gone on too long and it's not normal and I think the fact I don't get a period plays a definate part in all this mental stuff.

I hope you don't mind if I cross the gender line here......

If I might ask one question, it may lead to an answer for you. Do you have a low total fat intake, when you consider your diet as a whole?

Lar

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds Larry Hoover

Posted by galkeepinon on July 12, 2003, at 15:04:14

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds galkeepinon, posted by Larry Hoover on July 12, 2003, at 12:22:25

No problem Lar........
When I consider my diet as a whole, my fat intake is at a definate norm. Not too high and not too low. If you need to know more, please ask if you think it may lead to an answer for me. Thanks. Why do you ask?


Gal


> > Hi Girlfriends,
> > My problem is I don't get my periods:( I saw the book in the post and I'm going to check that out. This has gone on too long and it's not normal and I think the fact I don't get a period plays a definate part in all this mental stuff.
>
> I hope you don't mind if I cross the gender line here......
>
> If I might ask one question, it may lead to an answer for you. Do you have a low total fat intake, when you consider your diet as a whole?
>
> Lar

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds galkeepinon

Posted by Larry Hoover on July 12, 2003, at 16:15:09

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds Larry Hoover, posted by galkeepinon on July 12, 2003, at 15:04:14

> No problem Lar........
> When I consider my diet as a whole, my fat intake is at a definate norm. Not too high and not too low. If you need to know more, please ask if you think it may lead to an answer for me. Thanks. Why do you ask?
>
>
> Gal

Well, I had been about to give you a simplistic answer. But then I got to pondering your response, above, in the celiac/gluten thread. It may be that these concepts are linked.

When I looked at amenorrhea (lack of menses), and the link to HPA dysfunction, what popped out was a disorder known as functional hypothalamic amenorrhea (FHA). It's been described in the past as a neurotic disorder (probably by men, I know), but there are some strong correlations to disordered fat metabolism. Women with FHA tend to have very low fat stores, or a high ratio of lean muscle to fat. They may also appear perfectly normal. The tendency had been to blame subclinical eating disorders (particularly, avoidance of fat), but recently, a link to celiac disorder has been proposed. You see, celiac disorder can prevent uptake of fat in the intestinal lumen, despite adequate sources in the diet. It seems that low fat stores may be a predisposing factor, and with some source of external stress (which need not be ongoing), menstruation may cease. Somehow, that "locks in", and doesn't resolve after the stress decreases.

Interestingly, one of the effective treatments for FHA is an opioid antagonist, e.g. naltrexone. It seems that the normal pulses of hormone release that drive the menstrual cycle are suppressed by hyperactivation of the opioid receptors. But that also ties in nicely with the celiac concept, when you consider the exorphins (opioid-receptor proteins from an external source) that arise from that disorder. You probably recall the mention of opiate agonists arising from the partial digestion of gluten, from the celiac thread.

There are other possible causes of amenorrhea, of course, and I hope you've been adequately screened for those.

Here are a couple links you might want to look at:

http://www.gfmer.ch/Guidelines/obstetrics_gynecology_guidelines.htm

http://www.endotext.org/female/female5/female5.htm#FUNCTIONALHYPOTHALAMICAMENORRHEA

Best,
Lar

 

Barb, Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!!

Posted by McPac on July 13, 2003, at 23:09:28

In reply to Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!! McPac, posted by Barbara Cat on July 12, 2003, at 11:32:38

TSH of 2.1 is a good level. The lower, the better (.5 - 2.0 being ideal).

>>>>>>>>>Thanks Barb! I didn't know that lower was better.

However, TSH alone does not measure how the thyroxine is getting into your cells or if you have an autoimmune form, thyroiditis or Hashimoto's. A thorough thyroid workup includes free T3 and T4 levels, thyroid antibodies, and reverse T3 tests, but few docs will order these unless you insist.

>>>>>>>>>OK

Are you already taking thyroid pills of T4 only (synthroid, levothroid)?

>>>>>>>>>No, I'm not taking any drug for the thyroid. I have reason to believe that my adrenals may be at least part of the problem....thanks Barb!

 

Re: Barb, Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!! McPac

Posted by Barbara Cat on July 14, 2003, at 0:11:12

In reply to Barb, Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!!, posted by McPac on July 13, 2003, at 23:09:28

> >>>>>>>>>I have reason to believe that my adrenals may be at least part of the problem....!
>
>

Yeah, I'm going the adrenal route myself. I'm becoming more and more convinced that adrenal stress is the culprit behind most of the mood and endocrine disorders I've heard of. Have you been to http:/about.thyroid.com? If you do a search on adrenal in that site there's some good info.

 

Re: Barb, Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!! Barbara Cat

Posted by galkeepinon on July 14, 2003, at 1:07:46

In reply to Re: Barb, Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!! McPac, posted by Barbara Cat on July 14, 2003, at 0:11:12

Hi, I went to this site:
www.about.thyroid.com and there is no site-am I doing something wrong? Please let me know.


I would love to read about the adrenals-I think very well this may be My problem!!!

Thanks, Gal

> > >>>>>>>>>I have reason to believe that my adrenals may be at least part of the problem....!
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, I'm going the adrenal route myself. I'm becoming more and more convinced that adrenal stress is the culprit behind most of the mood and endocrine disorders I've heard of. Have you been to http:/about.thyroid.com? If you do a search on adrenal in that site there's some good info.
>

 

Re: Barb, Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!!

Posted by Barbara Cat on July 14, 2003, at 12:16:30

In reply to Re: Barb, Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!! Barbara Cat, posted by galkeepinon on July 14, 2003, at 1:07:46

Sorry about that. There's no www., just http://thyroid.about.com. In the upper left corner type in adrenals and a you'll get quite a few hits. The whole website is a great resource. It specializes in thyroid but covers just about everything.

> Hi, I went to this site:
> www.about.thyroid.com and there is no site-am I doing something wrong? Please let me know.
>
>
> I would love to read about the adrenals-I think very well this may be My problem!!!
>
> Thanks, Gal
>
>
>
>
>
> > > >>>>>>>>>I have reason to believe that my adrenals may be at least part of the problem....!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, I'm going the adrenal route myself. I'm becoming more and more convinced that adrenal stress is the culprit behind most of the mood and endocrine disorders I've heard of. Have you been to http:/about.thyroid.com? If you do a search on adrenal in that site there's some good info.
> >
>
>

 

GREAT BARB!!! :) Thank You (nm)

Posted by galkeepinon on July 14, 2003, at 14:00:48

In reply to Re: Barb, Re: Barb, Re: Hormonal info!!, posted by Barbara Cat on July 14, 2003, at 12:16:30

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds-BarbaraCat

Posted by nmk on July 15, 2003, at 10:06:08

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds-BarbaraCat nmk, posted by Barbara Cat on July 10, 2003, at 19:43:08

> Hi Nicole,
> This whole topic of hormones is sooooo confusing, I totally agree. First of all, your progesterone question. As I recall, you have suspected PCOS? It's not something I know very much about. I'll look it up, but in the meantime I wonder if your doc is treating you for estrogen excess, which is a very common malady. Many toxins in our environment act as endocrine disruptors, as if we didn't have enough to deal with already.
>
> I had a buildup of my endometrium because I wasn't absorbing progesterone and wound up with an estrogen excess condition. You're right, there has to be a balance between estrogen and progesterone. There has to be a balance of testosterone as well. And testing? It's the rare doc who does testing. They claim that none of them are reliable and, as one admitted to me, they don't know what to do with the data(!). This is simply outrageous! There are reliable tests and a good knowledgable health professional will use them until things are stable. I get very frustrated about the one size fits all unless you hemorrage theory.
>
> It sure sounds like you feel better on more estrogen than you're getting. Progesterone 'opposes' estrogen, so the more you get, the less estrogen your cells uptake. I don't know what your doc has in mind about this. It sounds like his idea that you'd feel better on progesterone alone isn't working. As far as should you go off it, that's something only you can decide. If it makes you feel horrible but it's not medically necessary then I'd question whether it's not needless discomfort. Especially while your doc isn't available for guidance. Is there another doc he's referring to for emergencies? Maybe you could discuss it with them.
>
> I'll look up PCOS and get back to you with some book suggestions. There is one I haven't read but heard raves about, Dr. Christiane Northrup "The Wisdom of Menopause" which extensively goes into hormones. Anything by her is a winner.

Hi Barb,

Sorry for the delayed response. The hubby and I took a trip to NYC for 3 days and I just returned . I don't have PCOS (that is Gal) and my periods are very regular. I dropped the progesterone cream until I get the results of the bloodwork at the end of the month. As you mentioned, I do feel better on more estrogen as evidenced by how wonderful I felt when I was pregnant. Too bad I can't be preggers all the time.

The connection between our hormones and mood is fascinating and I am trying to absorb as much info. as possible. I have also heard about Christine Northrup's books and how great they are. She has another one on peri-menopause which I want to get my hands on.

Thank you SO much for all of your help, you are an amazing woman Barb. Let's keep each other informed as we learn more.

Sincerely,

Nicole

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds galkeepinon

Posted by nmk on July 15, 2003, at 10:18:47

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds nmk, posted by galkeepinon on July 11, 2003, at 0:04:55

> Hi Nicole, thanks so much. I haven't been online for a few-hitting some depression bumps. Hope you're doing good. I did see BarbaraCats post-thanks. I'm going to check out that book for sure. It sounds very interesting. I have had a full hormonal work up thyroid also and everything always checks out fine except 1 thing........I get no periods!!!! My periods have been so irregular for soooooo long. And that is normal? I see my doc in a few weeeks and I really neeed to talk to her about my options here. That just isn't healthy. I feel so much better-physically and emotionally when I'm regular-I KNOW it is so vital to our moods.
>
> Did you get your profile done yet? Please let me know how it goes with you ok? I tried that progesterone cream-no go-made me sick.
>
> Keep in touch ok please. Hang in there, thinking of you.
>
> Gal
>
>


Hi Gal,

Sorry it's been awhile since I have posted to you but I was out of town. On my flight, I read an article about PCOS in Redbook (of all places) and there is a new medication that alleviates the symptoms of PCOS and regulates your cycle so you will have a period each month. I am at work now, don't have the magazine with me, but will get you the name of the med tomorrow. The article profiled a woman with PCOS who was given the pill to regulate her hormones but she wanted to get pregnant. Her periods were regulated, the acne, facial hair, etc. disappeared and she conceived.

I will get back to you.

Nicole:)

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds nmk

Posted by galkeepinon on July 15, 2003, at 10:53:55

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds galkeepinon, posted by nmk on July 15, 2003, at 10:18:47

Hi Nicole, yes! Please get back to me. What issue of Redbook was it-do you recall? I have a feeling you may be talking about the medication LUPRON? I have heard miracle stories about that medication.
Look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you,
Gal


> Hi Gal,
>
> Sorry it's been awhile since I have posted to you but I was out of town. On my flight, I read an article about PCOS in Redbook (of all places) and there is a new medication that alleviates the symptoms of PCOS and regulates your cycle so you will have a period each month. I am at work now, don't have the magazine with me, but will get you the name of the med tomorrow. The article profiled a woman with PCOS who was given the pill to regulate her hormones but she wanted to get pregnant. Her periods were regulated, the acne, facial hair, etc. disappeared and she conceived.
>
> I will get back to you.
>
> Nicole:)

 

Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds galkeepinon

Posted by nmk on July 15, 2003, at 13:12:19

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds nmk, posted by galkeepinon on July 15, 2003, at 10:53:55

> Hi Nicole, yes! Please get back to me. What issue of Redbook was it-do you recall? I have a feeling you may be talking about the medication LUPRON? I have heard miracle stories about that medication.
> Look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Thank you,
> Gal
>


Hi Gal,

I found it!!!!!! I googled around a little and was able to come up with what I believe the name is. I will double-check tonight and get back to you tomorrow. The name is Avandia and the latest study is linked below.

http://www.ivf.com/pcostreat.html

Nicole:)))

 

Thanks sweetie (hug) :) (nm) nmk

Posted by galkeepinon on July 15, 2003, at 14:16:38

In reply to Re: please reply-hormonal ? and meds galkeepinon, posted by nmk on July 15, 2003, at 13:12:19

 

Here it is Gal.... galkeepinon

Posted by nmk on July 16, 2003, at 10:51:58

In reply to Thanks sweetie (hug) :) (nm) nmk, posted by galkeepinon on July 15, 2003, at 14:16:38

Hi Gal,

The medication is in fact Avandia and the article is in the August issue of Redbook. Glucophage is the other med used in the drug trial which was conducted at the University of Texas Health Science Center. The two meds used in the study are used to treat diabetes and apparently, PCOS women are often insulin-resistant, which results in hormone imbalances.

The author of the article, Victoria Kogan, is the president of the Texas PCOS organization and their web address is: austinpcos.org

Hope this helps!

Nicole

 

Re: Here it is Gal.... nmk

Posted by galkeepinon on July 16, 2003, at 13:57:47

In reply to Here it is Gal.... galkeepinon, posted by nmk on July 16, 2003, at 10:51:58

Hi Nicole, yes it helps-thanks so much! I see my p-doc next week and I am definately going to talk to her- I haven't had a period in months. I did read about Glocophage helping PCOS patients a while back-but I didn't take action:( I need to see a specialist-really too.
First, I'm off to buy the August issue of Redbook LOL then to check out that website.
Have a great day!
Thanks Nicole (hug) I really appreciate it!

Gal

> Hi Gal,
>
> The medication is in fact Avandia and the article is in the August issue of Redbook. Glucophage is the other med used in the drug trial which was conducted at the University of Texas Health Science Center. The two meds used in the study are used to treat diabetes and apparently, PCOS women are often insulin-resistant, which results in hormone imbalances.
>
> The author of the article, Victoria Kogan, is the president of the Texas PCOS organization and their web address is: austinpcos.org
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Nicole


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