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Posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 11, 2003, at 18:53:31
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on May 11, 2003, at 16:16:56
I've wondered about this myself, though I also have another question to raise. A few years ago, my IQ was tested to be 170. After a year of LSD use, it shot up to 190. Is it possible that LSD could really be the culprit?
Posted by stjames on May 11, 2003, at 21:59:19
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 11, 2003, at 18:53:31
> I've wondered about this myself, though I also have another question to raise. A few years ago, my IQ was tested to be 170. After a year of LSD use, it shot up to 190. Is it possible that LSD could really be the culprit?
No. IQ varies widely throughout life. You can take it on different days and get swings as wide as tens of points. There is also a margin of error of several points. Also equating one
event, an IQ test with another, taking LSD, requires far more supporting evidence to link to 2 together.
Posted by MichelleMyBelle on May 11, 2003, at 22:12:39
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 11, 2003, at 18:53:31
Hi,
Wow, I'm so glad with the response. I too have dabbled in LSD. So now we do discuss the chicken and the egg theory? Do the drugs cause us to become "crazy" and smart? LOL
No one can take away our sense our humor. They say the most depressed people are the most jovial. Very famous comedians are among the very depressed.
Michelle> I've wondered about this myself, though I also have another question to raise. A few years ago, my IQ was tested to be 170. After a year of LSD use, it shot up to 190. Is it possible that LSD could really be the culprit?
Posted by Willow on May 12, 2003, at 7:49:24
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by linkadge on May 11, 2003, at 1:37:03
> I think a more likely explaination is that
> people of low intelegence tend to be in lower stress jobs. Ie factory work, repetitive, etc.There was a study done in Britain years back, (I may be wrong re country) but it showed that the lower on the totem pole at work the higher the stress. If I recall correctly the reasoning was because the individuals had less oppurtunity to control their enviorment. The plus side to some of these jobs would be that they involve physical activity.
> But anyone can get depressed,
And if stressed long enough, signs of clinical depression will become evident thus brain chemistry begins to get warped.
Just my opinion.
Whispering Willow
Posted by Willow on May 12, 2003, at 9:16:15
In reply to low stress jobs » linkadge, posted by Willow on May 12, 2003, at 7:49:24
Posted by bookgurl99 on May 12, 2003, at 21:56:17
In reply to CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by MichelleMyBelle on May 11, 2003, at 1:12:46
I have a higher than average IQ (125), and an unusually good long-term memory (it was tested last year.). I also think that I have a better understanding of complicated situations than others do. I enjoy debate and the play of ideas.
I'm not sure if this makes me more prone to mental illness. My (fraternal) twin has the same IQ as I do, and no mental illness. She also places an enormously high value on being conventional and 'normal,'; I don't.
Maybe my mental illness just comes from being aware of the negatives of our culture and how 'unhealthy' normal can be?
(In other words, I'm not "insane," I'm _sane_ surrounded by an _insane_ society!)
Posted by Tepiaca on May 13, 2003, at 0:43:22
In reply to CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by MichelleMyBelle on May 11, 2003, at 1:12:46
In the beginnig of my disease i took this test of
iq to see if I was suffering from Squizophrenia
My iq was very high I dont remeber exactly what was the number , its was something betwen 125 and 130 , I dont remeber exactly because It was many years ago , and I dont have the test rigth
now to give you the exact number.I dont know if that was a valid test, but I know that im not stupid I guees thats why I almost finishing a university degree of engineer
Posted by fanni on May 13, 2003, at 14:52:22
In reply to CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by MichelleMyBelle on May 11, 2003, at 1:12:46
i do think iq tests are a load of my hoop,testing people on anything and everything to ascertain what label to slap on them,but yeah there does seem to be some kind of thing going on there,bewtween say high iqs and mental illness.at school the kids who had add seemed to have higher iqs,i know mine came out something like 177,which was great cos instead of them having justification in that i was thick,and thats the reason i coukdnt sit still for their classes,it was the other way round.im sure thats the case with a lotof kids.
Posted by bookgurl99 on May 13, 2003, at 15:16:16
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by fanni on May 13, 2003, at 14:52:22
Yes, I have had a few docs who thought I could have ADD because of a tendency to 'multitask' when I was in school. (i.e. I would read something interesting while the teacher was talking, read ahead in the book we were reading aloud, etc.)
But I got straight A's, at least in childhood. So I don't think I was 'attention deficit.' I think I was 'interested deficit.' I was not interested in focusing on things that I either already knew, or picked up so quickly I did not need additional reinforcement. The classes I was the most interested in were by far the most challenging.
Posted by cybercafe on May 13, 2003, at 16:24:49
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by fanni on May 13, 2003, at 14:52:22
> i do think iq tests are a load of my hoop,testing people on anything and everything to ascertain what label to slap on them,but yeah there does seem to be some kind of thing going on there,bewtween say high iqs and mental illness.at school the kids who had add seemed to have higher iqs,i know mine came out something like 177,which was great cos instead of them having justification in that i was thick,and thats the reason i coukdnt sit still for their classes,it was the other way round.im sure thats the case with a lotof kids.
do any of you guys have a suggestion on the type of career that would suite someone who is very intelligent but has big problems with concentration?
Posted by bookgurl99 on May 13, 2003, at 18:12:46
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by cybercafe on May 13, 2003, at 16:24:49
Posted by bookgurl99 on May 13, 2003, at 19:22:34
In reply to CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by MichelleMyBelle on May 11, 2003, at 1:12:46
Posted by fanni on May 14, 2003, at 15:09:11
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by cybercafe on May 13, 2003, at 16:24:49
yeah same here,its a tricky one,hard for others to say.i would definitely recommend its something you feel passionate about,that way it will intrigue you more and hold your attention for longer.a lot of people i think tend to choose jobs below their skill level,just because its there and available,i find myself flitting from job to job,but theres a course im really interested in so im going for that.
Posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:14:54
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 11, 2003, at 18:53:31
> I've wondered about this myself, though I also have another question to raise. A few years ago, my IQ was tested to be 170. After a year of LSD use, it shot up to 190. Is it possible that LSD could really be the culprit?
That would mean that after LSD you were more "intellegent" than Galileo, da Vinci, and Kant. Taking the Flynn Effect into account (which, as a genius, you will already know about) you were more intellegent than Leibnitz (the man who invented Calculus for fun) and Newton (the man who invented Calculus independently of Leibnitz in order to prove the laws of Physics). Congratulations, because even *before* LSD, you left Descartes in the dust.
MB
Posted by johnj on May 19, 2003, at 11:19:33
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » Ame Sans Vie, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:14:54
discovered? Just wondering
johnj
Posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:48:21
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » Ame Sans Vie, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:14:54
The sarcasm in the above post was unkind and uncalled for. Right now, I'm bitter for being faced with a choice of either being too sick from medication or too sick from my illness to enjoy a life that has the capacity to be wonderful. I'm feeling hopeless and worthless. I came to this board in a grumpy mood and took it out on Ame Sans Vie, who, from the above posts, seems like a kind and decent human being. I have always felt inadequate for my mediocre I.Q., and I suppose there was some jealousy at work in my sardonic reaction to her post. Ame Sans Vie, please accept my apologies for my passive-aggressive attitude, and my implications that you were lying in your post. No one deserves that manner of treatment, and I need to work at being a better person regardless of how crummy I feel. I also apologize to the group.
MB
> That would mean that after LSD you were more "intellegent" than Galileo, da Vinci, and Kant. Taking the Flynn Effect into account (which, as a genius, you will already know about) you were more intellegent than Leibnitz (the man who invented Calculus for fun) and Newton (the man who invented Calculus independently of Leibnitz in order to prove the laws of Physics). Congratulations, because even *before* LSD, you left Descartes in the dust.
>
> MB
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 19, 2003, at 12:38:26
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » MB, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:48:21
Posted by johnj on May 19, 2003, at 13:44:26
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » MB, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:48:21
I am sorry I wasn't trying to hurt you. I said it in jest not out of spite or hateful intentions. I know where you stand right now as I am in the same place. Last week I had 3 horrible nights and had to go on a med that makes me zoned out, but affords me some sleep. I have had up and downs for over a year and it sucks. I agree we all deserve better than what we feel right now. Please accept my apology.
johnj
Posted by waterlily on May 19, 2003, at 14:55:50
In reply to CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by MichelleMyBelle on May 11, 2003, at 1:12:46
For what it's worth, my IQ is 131 and I suffer from anxiety and depression. I also have a familial history of depression and have passed it onto my daughter.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 19, 2003, at 16:22:10
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » Ame Sans Vie, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:14:54
lol, that's interesting to know. I know I don't use anywhere near my full intellect though. Anytime I attempt such a thing, my mind becomes incredibly overwhelmed and confused. But I suppose I can live with just allowing my IQ to hover aroud 160. :-)
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 19, 2003, at 16:28:24
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » MB, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:48:21
Hey, it's okay... I'd never expect anyone to believe me anyway. I was just throwing in what I have experienced regarding intelligence and various forms of "mental health" (LSD included). Unlike *some* people who think that this board should be totally bland and vanilla, I don't think we learn a damned thing that really matters about mental health unless we question each other. I would never ask you to believe me... and believe me, I respect your remarks. You had something to say, and you said it. Without that, we poor humans have lost our character. Feel no need to apologize... I shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place. I should have known that it may upset someone. Thank you for being considerate though. :-)
P.S. I'm male, just thought you should know, lol.
Posted by bookgurl99 on May 25, 2003, at 16:28:05
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by stjames on May 11, 2003, at 21:59:19
> No. IQ varies widely throughout life. You can take it on different days and get swings as wide as tens of points. There is also a margin of error of several points.
Whew! This post relieved me. As a 12 year old, I tested at about 135 (my twin at 136.). Then last year, I took one -- I suspect I may have had a migraine at the time -- and I tested at 125. I thought my brains were turning to mush!
Posted by MB on May 27, 2003, at 23:28:41
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » MB, posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 19, 2003, at 16:28:24
Whoops, sorry. lol
> P.S. I'm male, just thought you should know, lol.
Posted by Pfinstegg on May 27, 2003, at 23:33:32
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by cybercafe on May 13, 2003, at 16:24:49
Wow, Cybercafe.. you are one of the people to whom one can say, "follow your heart- you can do ANYTHING!" However, I know you would have if something major weren't blocking your way. Just checking - but are you state of the art on medication for ADHD? I know that can be brought under good control, because my son has it severely, and with medication, is just completing a PhD in physics (string theory) at Princeton- his IQ is 26 points less than yours. Not that you would want to do physics- but you would need something difficult, challenging and exciting, wouldn't you?
Pfinstegg
Posted by MB on May 27, 2003, at 23:39:33
In reply to My post? » MB, posted by johnj on May 19, 2003, at 13:44:26
Oh, no, I wasn't upset about your post at all...I didn't even read it until today. I was just grumpy about things in general, and took it out in a lame way on Ame Sans Vie. I think your question is interesting: "Was Calculus invented or discovered?" I sometimes figure that the properties of the Universe are "discovered," while the techniques used to measure those properties, and the means to make predictions based on those measurements are "invented". But then again, I wonder sometimes if all knowledge is innate, and if we are really "rediscovering" what we have always known (the "you already are the Buddha" sort of thing). Wow, sometimes I listen to myself talk and wonder if *I* took too much acid. lol
MB
> I am sorry I wasn't trying to hurt you. I said it in jest not out of spite or hateful intentions. I know where you stand right now as I am in the same place. Last week I had 3 horrible nights and had to go on a med that makes me zoned out, but affords me some sleep. I have had up and downs for over a year and it sucks. I agree we all deserve better than what we feel right now. Please accept my apology.
> johnj
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