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Re: New to MAOIs

Posted by eln on October 29, 2002, at 15:23:58

In reply to New to MAOIs, posted by eln on October 11, 2002, at 16:40:23

Its almost time- I start on Thursday, and will be going to see my psychiatrist in an hour to get the prescription for Parnate. The washout period has been difficult, as I have had to have my mom come to stay with me and have had to "play sick" to get away with the minimum amount of work and social interaction while I have tapered off my SSRIs for 2 weeks and spent 2 disturbing weeks off all medications.
Thank all of you who have posted on here- I am in the process of educating my psychiatrist, who considers himself to be knowledgeable on the subject of MAOIs (as he has prescribed them to many patients successfully) yet works from a diet list created in the late 70's.
I got my Medic Alert bracelet, an automatic wrist blood pressure monitor, purse to carry my emergency meds and cell phone in, and a very detailed wallet medication card.
I will let you all know how its going. Meanwhile, I have been fattening myself up by gorging myself on all the cheeses, foreign chocolates, aged meats, and chiantis that I will no longer be able to eat.

I had a question about one more thing for now: is Tequila (major brand like Jose Cuervo) OK?

Thanks, E

 

Re: New to MAOIs eln

Posted by jsarirose on October 29, 2002, at 16:10:51

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs, posted by eln on October 29, 2002, at 15:23:58

> Its almost time- I start on Thursday, and will be going to see my psychiatrist in an hour to get the prescription for Parnate. The washout period has been difficult, as I have had to have my mom come to stay with me and have had to "play sick" to get away with the minimum amount of work and social interaction while I have tapered off my SSRIs for 2 weeks and spent 2 disturbing weeks off all medications.
> Thank all of you who have posted on here- I am in the process of educating my psychiatrist, who considers himself to be knowledgeable on the subject of MAOIs (as he has prescribed them to many patients successfully) yet works from a diet list created in the late 70's.
> I got my Medic Alert bracelet, an automatic wrist blood pressure monitor, purse to carry my emergency meds and cell phone in, and a very detailed wallet medication card.
> I will let you all know how its going. Meanwhile, I have been fattening myself up by gorging myself on all the cheeses, foreign chocolates, aged meats, and chiantis that I will no longer be able to eat.
>
> I had a question about one more thing for now: is Tequila (major brand like Jose Cuervo) OK?
>
> Thanks, E
>

Oh yes, you can have wine. You don't want to over do it, but several glasses is just fine. I would avoid home made wine though. Tequila is just fine too. The lists usually recommend moderation with alcohol, but the "newer" liquors are just fine. If you're drinking aged scotch or something, you might want to be a bit more careful. Beer is fine too, but make sure it's bottled beer (a larger brewery) and not tap.

The lists aren't as restrictive as previously thought. There are actually quite a few cheese options (my big weakness): mozzarella, parmesan (in moderation), Swiss Gruyere, Canadian Muenster, feta, ricotta, cream cheese, even brie if you make sure it's just the inside and no rind. I've personally had all of the above cheeses with no ill effects, and they are all on one of the more recent lists.

Check out:
http://www.vh.org/Providers/Conferences/CPS/19.html

If you page down you'll get actual tyramine contents and some good info. Usually 1-4mg is fine, 4 or 5 to 7 is okay in moderation, and over that is not allowed.

Keep posting your questions! There is a lot of expert info on this list about the diet restrictions.

Oh yeah - and chocolate is fine! If you like, I can send you a file with pretty specific info about the diet. jsarirose1@attbi.com

And you're doing a great prep job. Having all your precautions in line will make you more at ease. Please don't be too nervous about the med. You'll get used to it and the diet restrictions in no time. (Don't forget about med interactions too! No decongestants!)

-Jessica

 

Re: New to MAOIs

Posted by cubbybear on October 31, 2002, at 0:48:30

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs eln, posted by jsarirose on October 29, 2002, at 16:10:51

Hi,
I read about your starting up on MAOIs.Good luck!! I was taking Parnate for 18 years and considered it a life-saver. My only side effects were dry mouth (tolerable), ocassional lightheadedness (from standing up too suddenly--but don't let this scare you) and watch out--WEIGHT GAIN. So keep that in mind as a POSSIBLE side effect. Now, I want to emphasize that after perusing this website and others for countless days and nights, I have come to the conclusion that every patient reacts to every different medication in a different way. I'm telling you only about MY experience, OK? I think Parnate (is that what you're taking?) is fabulous and as long as you're careful about the foods and other meds., you shouldn't worry at all. But what I find a bit disturbing is that in someone's previous post, they said that beer and wine are OK. I was shocked because I had always thought that beer is NOT OK and onlly WHITE wine is OK. There is definitely some leeway on some foods, but you should do as much research as you can on the subject of the forbidden foods. Good luck!

 

Re: New to MAOIs

Posted by jsarirose on October 31, 2002, at 1:34:58

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs, posted by cubbybear on October 31, 2002, at 0:48:30

> Hi,
> I read about your starting up on MAOIs.Good luck!! I was taking Parnate for 18 years and considered it a life-saver. My only side effects were dry mouth (tolerable), ocassional lightheadedness (from standing up too suddenly--but don't let this scare you) and watch out--WEIGHT GAIN. So keep that in mind as a POSSIBLE side effect.

But what I find a bit disturbing is that in someone's previous post, they said that beer and wine are OK. I was shocked because I had always thought that beer is NOT OK and onlly WHITE wine is OK. There is definitely some leeway on some foods, but you should do as much research as you can on the subject of the forbidden foods. Good luck!

In general, Parnate is supposed to promote weight loss. At the very least, it's not supposed to promote weight gain like Nardil and others may. As the previous poster mentioned, 'your mileage may vary'. Side effects are different for every person. I've lost over 90lbs on Parnate (and with diet and exercise changes that were possible because of the Parnate).

Regarding the beer and wine, make sure you are looking at the most recent research. Tap beers and homemade beers and wine should be avoided. Other should be had in moderation, but really is just fine. (Check out the site I mentioned previously.)

-Jessica

 

Re: New to MAOIs

Posted by Bobbiedobbs on October 31, 2002, at 10:57:04

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs, posted by jsarirose on October 31, 2002, at 1:34:58

Regarding the food and alcohol restrictions, Id more or less concur with Jessica. I'd go slow on the wines (red or white) and alcohol while you are acclamating to the medication. But it doesn't matter what kind of alcohol it is at long as it is not a home-brew or microbrew beer. In 20 years of Nardil and Parnate I've only had 2 reactions - one to a decongestant, another to anchovy paste. and that includes alot of sausage, sauerkraut, soy sauce, pepperoni, and God knows, chocolate! Riccota/mozzerella/cream cheese/processed yogurts/are DEFINITELY no problem!!!!Phil

 

Re: New to MAOIs

Posted by jsarirose on October 31, 2002, at 15:03:48

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs, posted by Bobbiedobbs on October 31, 2002, at 10:57:04

> Regarding the food and alcohol restrictions, Id more or less concur with Jessica. I'd go slow on the wines (red or white) and alcohol while you are acclamating to the medication. But it doesn't matter what kind of alcohol it is at long as it is not a home-brew or microbrew beer. In 20 years of Nardil and Parnate I've only had 2 reactions - one to a decongestant, another to anchovy paste. and that includes alot of sausage, sauerkraut, soy sauce, pepperoni, and God knows, chocolate! Riccota/mozzerella/cream cheese/processed yogurts/are DEFINITELY no problem!!!!Phil

That's funny, one of my three reactions was to anchovy paste too! I found it's in some of the more obscure Asian foods. (For me it was Vietnamese Pho.) And I've been on a sauerkraut binge lately because a new pub serves it with brats (I don't eat the brats, just the kraut).

-Jessica

 

MAOIs and Painkillers

Posted by eln on November 14, 2002, at 15:59:22

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs, posted by eln on October 29, 2002, at 15:23:58

Thanks for all the support - I am up to my full dosage now (30 mg/day) and so far things are going fine. I am losing weight (my appetite has decreased), and my biggest problem seems to be with insomnia. I was already taking sleeping pills before, and I had to increase my dose.
I haven't tried any of the foods in dispute (like any cheeses or wines), but my doctor and I plan to do some in-office trials in the next few weeks.

I am still searching for a pain medication that would be OK to take in case of a reaction - I am unfortunately allergic to codeine, oxycodone, and hydrocodone. Darvon is supposedly unsafe, and demerol is of course out of the question. I am not an expert at this- even my doctor is stumped. Are there other medications I should look up or get in touch with the manufacturers? I know they all seem to list their products as interacting adversely in order to protect themselves legally, but they can't ALL be that bad...

Hopefully, I will never need this, but I also don't want to suffer if I do have a reaction. I don't think I will feel OK with doing food trials until I'm certain I can take care of the pain.

Thanks,
E

 

Re: MAOIs and Painkillers

Posted by jsarirose on November 14, 2002, at 16:23:42

In reply to MAOIs and Painkillers, posted by eln on November 14, 2002, at 15:59:22

> I am still searching for a pain medication that would be OK to take in case of a reaction - I am unfortunately allergic to codeine, oxycodone, and hydrocodone. Darvon is supposedly unsafe, and demerol is of course out of the question. I am not an expert at this- even my doctor is stumped. Are there other medications I should look up or get in touch with the manufacturers? I know they all seem to list their products as interacting adversely in order to protect themselves legally, but they can't ALL be that bad...
>
> Hopefully, I will never need this, but I also don't want to suffer if I do have a reaction. I don't think I will feel OK with doing food trials until I'm certain I can take care of the pain.
>
> Thanks,
> E

I'm a little confused. The pain medicine will make you feel better but it won't help with a blood pressure spike. Did your doctor prescribe an emergency pill? For example, if I start having a reaction I take Chlorpromazine (Thorazine). It will bring down my blood pressure if necessary but won't harm me if my blood pressure isn't spiking. That has nothing to do with pain control (other than shortening my reaction). It is very necessary to prohibit a heart attack or stroke though.

-Jessica

ps - most foods I know of aren't controversial if you look into the most recent tyramine levels. It's only if you're looking at an old study and a new study that there is conflict. I always go with the latest information and haven't had a single problem.

 

Re: New to MAOIs jsarirose

Posted by Mairwen on January 4, 2003, at 17:20:53

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs eln, posted by jsarirose on October 29, 2002, at 16:10:51

> > Its almost time- I start on Thursday, and will be going to see my psychiatrist in an hour to get the prescription for Parnate. The washout period has been difficult, as I have had to have my mom come to stay with me and have had to "play sick" to get away with the minimum amount of work and social interaction while I have tapered off my SSRIs for 2 weeks and spent 2 disturbing weeks off all medications.
> > Thank all of you who have posted on here- I am in the process of educating my psychiatrist, who considers himself to be knowledgeable on the subject of MAOIs (as he has prescribed them to many patients successfully) yet works from a diet list created in the late 70's.
> > I got my Medic Alert bracelet, an automatic wrist blood pressure monitor, purse to carry my emergency meds and cell phone in, and a very detailed wallet medication card.
> > I will let you all know how its going. Meanwhile, I have been fattening myself up by gorging myself on all the cheeses, foreign chocolates, aged meats, and chiantis that I will no longer be able to eat.
> >
> > I had a question about one more thing for now: is Tequila (major brand like Jose Cuervo) OK?
> >
> > Thanks, E
> >
>
> Oh yes, you can have wine. You don't want to over do it, but several glasses is just fine. I would avoid home made wine though. Tequila is just fine too. The lists usually recommend moderation with alcohol, but the "newer" liquors are just fine. If you're drinking aged scotch or something, you might want to be a bit more careful. Beer is fine too, but make sure it's bottled beer (a larger brewery) and not tap.
>
> The lists aren't as restrictive as previously thought. There are actually quite a few cheese options (my big weakness): mozzarella, parmesan (in moderation), Swiss Gruyere, Canadian Muenster, feta, ricotta, cream cheese, even brie if you make sure it's just the inside and no rind. I've personally had all of the above cheeses with no ill effects, and they are all on one of the more recent lists.
>
> Check out:
> http://www.vh.org/Providers/Conferences/CPS/19.html
>
> If you page down you'll get actual tyramine contents and some good info. Usually 1-4mg is fine, 4 or 5 to 7 is okay in moderation, and over that is not allowed.
>
> Keep posting your questions! There is a lot of expert info on this list about the diet restrictions.
>
> Oh yeah - and chocolate is fine! If you like, I can send you a file with pretty specific info about the diet. jsarirose1@attbi.com
>
> And you're doing a great prep job. Having all your precautions in line will make you more at ease. Please don't be too nervous about the med. You'll get used to it and the diet restrictions in no time. (Don't forget about med interactions too! No decongestants!)
>
> -Jessica

Hello
I have just started on Nardil and have no medic alert bracelet, no auto wrist blood pressure monitor, emergency meds or wallet medication card. These have not been mentioned to me. Should I be worried?
Mairwen

 

Re: New to MAOIs

Posted by Bobbiedobbs on January 5, 2003, at 2:56:08

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs jsarirose, posted by Mairwen on January 4, 2003, at 17:20:53

It wouldn't hurt to carry something in your wallet if you are not carrying a medic-alert bracelet. And I would also recommend assuring yourself access to an antidote such as procardia. This doesn't have to be done the first second, but I think it is a good cautionary idea. And, as stated earlier, be careful about cold medications - no decongestants, but antihistamines are OK. Now, enjoy the results of the Nardil. Phil

 

Re: New to MAOIs

Posted by jsarirose on January 7, 2003, at 1:07:58

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs jsarirose, posted by Mairwen on January 4, 2003, at 17:20:53

> Hello
> I have just started on Nardil and have no medic alert bracelet, no auto wrist blood pressure monitor, emergency meds or wallet medication card. These have not been mentioned to me. Should I be worried?
> Mairwen

You should definately have an emergency pill. I don't understand the few doctors that don't prescribe one. Some say to call 911 and they'll meet you at the hospital. This is unnecessary. There are others, but I take Chlorpramazine (Thorazine). I take it only if I have an attack. You can tell if you're having an attack because you will get an incredible migraine headache, and your blood pressure will rise causing claminess, redness, etc. (Blood pressure doesn't always rise, or perhaps you don't always get symptoms, because I've had two attacks where I just had the migraine.) As soon as you realize, you take the emergency pill and it will bring down your blood pressure. It's very dangerous to wait as you can have a heart attack or stroke, etc. But, if you have the emergency pill you don't have to worry about that at all. I keep one in my wallet, one in my car, and some at home.

A home blood pressure isn't absolutely necessary but it helps to know what your regular blood pressure is and it helps to take it if you think you're having an attack. I've heard the wrist ones aren't as accurate as the arm one. I do recommend an automatic one as when you're having a hypertensive crisis it's not always easy to take your own blood pressure. I had an Omrom and was quite happy with it.

I do think it's a good idea to keep a med list in your wallet. If you have an accident and are submitted to the hospital they need to know you are on an MAOI. It effects anesthesia.

And I didn't think about an emergency bracelet until recently. Personally I'm not going to wear one unless I can find something very discreet.

Anyway - out of your list, I strongly urge you to get an emergency pill. Good luck on Nardil.

-Jessica

 

Re: New to MAOIs

Posted by jsarirose on January 7, 2003, at 1:09:26

In reply to Re: New to MAOIs, posted by Bobbiedobbs on January 5, 2003, at 2:56:08

> It wouldn't hurt to carry something in your wallet if you are not carrying a medic-alert bracelet. And I would also recommend assuring yourself access to an antidote such as procardia. This doesn't have to be done the first second, but I think it is a good cautionary idea. And, as stated earlier, be careful about cold medications - no decongestants, but antihistamines are OK. Now, enjoy the results of the Nardil. Phil

Certain antihistamines. Benedryl (pure, not the cold one), not Sudafed!

-Jessica

 

Re: maoi and tyrosine

Posted by Ted Abel on February 12, 2003, at 16:01:13

In reply to maoi and tyrosine, posted by Ted Abel on October 13, 2002, at 11:50:21

I haven't really gotten any information as to whether it is ok to take tyrosine or phelylanine with a MAOI. Please advise.

 

Re: MAOI diet short list and Zyvox

Posted by cf on April 1, 2003, at 19:48:07

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list and Zyvox , posted by fran on January 19, 2002, at 23:17:44

Hi I have cystic fibrosis. I've been on many antibiotics all my life practically. I have resistant bacteria in my lungs that doesn't go away it just dies down a little then flares up again. My dr's started putting me on zyvox antibiotic over the last couple of years. When I first went on them nobody told me it was an maoi, not that I new what that was till recently. I don't remember any adverse reactions to this med the first time I took it( I didn't take any dietary precautions). Now, after doing research on websites(webmd.com,discoveryhealth.com)I've found out a whole list of things I can't eat. My pharmacist only told me to avoid cheese and wine, thats it. My dr's didn't know that zyvox was an maoi and asked me to bring in my research from the web. I keep getting bad headaches and my blood pressure when I check it is high. It's gone as high as 151/100, I normally have normal blood pressure. Having cf also means I have to take albuterol nebulizers which I recently read on the insert that taking albuterol with maoi's may potentiate the albuterol. As well as, my dr's were going to put me on allegra-D but I asked them to give me plain allegra because pseudoephidrine makes me jittery normally. I didn't want to take it with the zyvox which also make me jittery and nautious sometimes. Why wasn't my doctor aware of the fact that zyvox is an maoi?

 

Re: MAOI diet short list and Zyvox

Posted by jsarirose on April 2, 2003, at 0:15:39

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list and Zyvox , posted by cf on April 1, 2003, at 19:48:07

> Hi I have cystic fibrosis. I've been on many antibiotics all my life practically. I have resistant bacteria in my lungs that doesn't go away it just dies down a little then flares up again. My dr's started putting me on zyvox antibiotic over the last couple of years. When I first went on them nobody told me it was an maoi, not that I new what that was till recently. I don't remember any adverse reactions to this med the first time I took it( I didn't take any dietary precautions). Now, after doing research on websites(webmd.com,discoveryhealth.com)I've found out a whole list of things I can't eat. My pharmacist only told me to avoid cheese and wine, thats it. My dr's didn't know that zyvox was an maoi and asked me to bring in my research from the web. I keep getting bad headaches and my blood pressure when I check it is high. It's gone as high as 151/100, I normally have normal blood pressure. Having cf also means I have to take albuterol nebulizers which I recently read on the insert that taking albuterol with maoi's may potentiate the albuterol. As well as, my dr's were going to put me on allegra-D but I asked them to give me plain allegra because pseudoephidrine makes me jittery normally. I didn't want to take it with the zyvox which also make me jittery and nautious sometimes. Why wasn't my doctor aware of the fact that zyvox is an maoi?
>
>

Wow! That's terrible and potentially very dangerous! MAOIs require a strict diet - the diet isn't too bad, but the repercussion of eating the wrong thing can potentially be life threatening. The MAOI diet isn't as simple as your doctor mentioned as I'm sure you've realized. Here are some basics:

Fresh cheeses are fine, for example: mozzarella, Muenster, Chevre, Montrachet, parmesan, cottage, ricotta, Feta, Gorgonzola, Brie (rind removed), etc. The aged cheeses, cheddar, bleu, etc. are the ones to avoid.

Wine is fine in moderation, alcohol is fine in moderation, beer is fine except tap beer.

You want to avoid aged items like prosciutto, some salamis (some are fresh, some are aged), old chicken livers - fresh are okay.

Basically, if it's been sitting around or there is danger of mold - throw it out.

Here is a good site to take a look at:
http://www.vh.org/adult/provider/psychiatry/CPS/19.html

Let me know if you have more diet questions. Feel free to email me: jsarirose1@attbi.com

I've been on Parnate for about 1 1/2 years and have a pretty good handle on the diet.

You may also want to talk to your doctor about an 'emergency pill'. There are a few pills you can take that will bring your blood pressure back down if you have a hypertensive crisis. I take Thorazine (Chlorpromazine). I only take it in the case of a crisis (no side effects of regular use). It's also safe to take if my blood pressure isn't elevated but I think I'm in crisis. The symptoms are usually the onset of a severe migraine, flushed face, warm, clammy, sweating, etc. I've only had three attacks since I started. One was from smoked, canned clams in a stew, one from anchovy paste (shrimp paste, etc. are not allowed), and one from a beer on tap (just being stupid). All three times the Thorazine brought my blood pressure back down. You still feel crappy for a good while, but you're not in any danger.

Anyway, those are some of the details. As to the fact that they didn't inform you that you were taking an MAOI - well, that's amazing to me and very dangerous. I would question your doctor quite thoroughly about this.

Good luck,
Jessica

 

Re: Success with Marplan? ZeeZee

Posted by tansy on April 13, 2003, at 1:38:18

In reply to Success with Marplan? cybercafe, posted by ZeeZee on October 14, 2002, at 9:42:35

> Has anyone used with success Marplan? If so, how do the side effects differ from Nardil and Parnate? Was it as effective? I used Nardil in the past,... Any experiences with Marplan would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Lisa

Lisa, this may be too late, but I take Marplan now and love it. I have taken both Nardil and Parnate in the past, but find Marplan to have the most benign side effects. Have been on it for several months and my depression is gone. Have more energy, better ability to concentrate. It is messing with my sleep patterns (I have Lyme disease and already had problems with this). Now experimenting with taking it at different times of day. It has also increased my appetite, which is also not good, but hoping change in time of taking it will help this also. Overall, I'm thrilled with it.

Also, in 15 years of taking mostly Nardil and some Parnate on and off I have never had a hypertensive reaction, ever. I may just be one of those people not sensitive to tyramine. Went out to a French restaurant the other night, wasn't thinking and had Duck Liver Pate, red wine and some escargot. I was fine. I do think the freshness of food is crucial (it was a good restaurant and specialized in high quality, seasonally fresh food). I also have never pushed the cheese thing. I have chronic Lyme disease and am on large amount of painkillers (oxycontin) without a problem. I also have asthma, which is what has caused me to d/c the MAOI's in the past. I take Singulaire everyday without a problem, but read with interest that someone with CF was using an Albuterol inhaler without a problem. Anybody have any experience with asthma meds?
thanks!
tansy

 

Re: Success with Marplan? tansy

Posted by ZeeZee on April 13, 2003, at 16:31:28

In reply to Re: Success with Marplan? ZeeZee, posted by tansy on April 13, 2003, at 1:38:18

Thanks Tansy. I am now on Paxil and am doing fabulously!!!!! I feel GREAT!!! and am back to doing things and going places I previously feared (panic disorder and agoraphobia) In addition, I'm having absolutely NO side effects and enjoy the fact that I don't have to restrict my diet or medication. I'm so glad I stuck this one out, it's really paid off for me.
Thanks anyway for your input and am glad you're doing well!

 

Nardil and loss of appetite and diarrhea

Posted by Mairwen on April 17, 2003, at 12:12:52

In reply to Re: Success with Marplan? tansy, posted by ZeeZee on April 13, 2003, at 16:31:28

Hello
I took Nardil for 4 weeks and suffered loss of appretite, diarhea and lost 10 lbs. I was stopped by the police for driving while impaired. Has anybody else had any similar experiences. My doctor has vaguely suggested a hypoglycemic attack. He says the usual side effect is constipation not diarrhea but the diarrhea stopped when I stopped the Nardil and I are ravenously for several days after, so there does seem to be a correlation. Any help would be appreciated.
Mairwen

 

Re: Nardil and loss of appetite and diarrhea

Posted by cosis on April 20, 2003, at 1:04:45

In reply to Nardil and loss of appetite and diarrhea, posted by Mairwen on April 17, 2003, at 12:12:52

> Hello
> I took Nardil for 4 weeks and suffered loss of appretite, diarhea and lost 10 lbs. I was stopped by the police for driving while impaired. Has anybody else had any similar experiences. My doctor has vaguely suggested a hypoglycemic attack. He says the usual side effect is constipation not diarrhea but the diarrhea stopped when I stopped the Nardil and I are ravenously for several days after, so there does seem to be a correlation. Any help would be appreciated.
> Mairwen

Most of the people have a weight gain instead of loss... My appetite definately changed more towards sweet tasting foods which is responsible for about 10 lbs of weight gained...

I am not sure I understand your police issue.. You were impaired from Nardil? When I drive sometimes I almost fall asleep.. It is kind of dangerous so I usually get out and move around then I am usually fine.. Or smack myself in the face a few times :)

 

Re: Nardil and loss of appetite and diarrhea

Posted by cosis on April 20, 2003, at 1:06:52

In reply to Nardil and loss of appetite and diarrhea, posted by Mairwen on April 17, 2003, at 12:12:52

> Hello
> I took Nardil for 4 weeks and suffered loss of appretite, diarhea and lost 10 lbs. I was stopped by the police for driving while impaired. Has anybody else had any similar experiences. My doctor has vaguely suggested a hypoglycemic attack. He says the usual side effect is constipation not diarrhea but the diarrhea stopped when I stopped the Nardil and I are ravenously for several days after, so there does seem to be a correlation. Any help would be appreciated.
> Mairwen

Most of the people have a weight gain instead of loss... My appetite definately changed more towards sweet tasting foods which is responsible for about 10 lbs of weight gained...

I am not sure I understand your police issue.. You were impaired from Nardil? When I drive sometimes I almost fall asleep.. It is kind of dangerous so I usually get out and move around then I am usually fine.. Or smack myself in the face a few times :)

 

Re: MAO cheese, soy, etc followup

Posted by katiep on June 24, 2003, at 14:18:00

In reply to MAO cheese, soy, etc followup, posted by Bobbiedobbs on September 8, 2002, at 13:44:01

Hi, was wondering if anyone had the full
bibliographical data for the Sunnybrook
study mentioned?
thanks!

 

Re: MAO cheese, soy, etc followup

Posted by cybercafe on June 24, 2003, at 23:46:19

In reply to Re: MAO cheese, soy, etc followup, posted by katiep on June 24, 2003, at 14:18:00

> Hi, was wondering if anyone had the full
> bibliographical data for the Sunnybrook
> study mentioned?
> thanks!

i think i do

 

Re: MAO cheese, soy, etc followup

Posted by katiep on July 7, 2003, at 23:56:30

In reply to Re: MAO cheese, soy, etc followup, posted by cybercafe on June 24, 2003, at 23:46:19

if you could post that info, i'd very much appreciate it.. also anyone out there have any experience [good/bad] with sake/rice-wine??
thanks!
kp

> > Hi, was wondering if anyone had the full
> > bibliographical data for the Sunnybrook
> > study mentioned?
> > thanks!
>
> i think i do
>

 

Re: [Sake] So, what is left on the danger list?

Posted by katiep on July 8, 2003, at 0:06:51

In reply to Re: So, what is left on the danger list? , posted by Seamus2 on January 18, 2002, at 22:01:59

hey all,
thanks for all the great info and support.. I was wondering if anyone had any experience (good or bad) with sake/rice-wine and MAOIs (i'm on nardil)..
thanks much!
kp

 

Re: [Sake] So, what is left on the danger list?

Posted by Craig Getty on July 9, 2003, at 1:11:59

In reply to Re: [Sake] So, what is left on the danger list? , posted by katiep on July 8, 2003, at 0:06:51

I have been on Nardil for about 5 weeks (60mg for last 4 weeks). Last week I drank a couple of sake shots (while eating sushi with soy sauce) and was fine. I also had a beer and a couple of other drinks before the night was over (long night at a party). All was fine. Interstingly, though, Nardil seems to have caused me to lose my affection for alcohol. The sake was only mildly enjoyable. Beer has become anathema to me (and I was quite a beer drinker). The only drink I still "enjoyed" was foo foo vodka and cranberry. And even then, I did not want any more after the 2 I had (and at a party like this I'd normally have many). It wasn't the dietary restrictions that kept me from drinking - it was a real lack of taste for it, and alcohol kind of made me nauseous. I don't know if this is typical.

Also, I hear Nardil normally causes weight gain, but I've lost 5 pounds in the last month on it - probably due to a combination of diarrea on the negative side as well as the positives of quitting cheese and beer and starting to exercise.

One more thing - Someone on this message chain talked about dizziness from Nardil. I have been experiencing that a lot, and I hope it goes away. I've been tired too and I believe the Nardil is overpowering the Provigil that I take for ADD type symptoms/daytime sleepiness. Talking to my doc about going from 200 to 400mg of Provigil or maybe switching to something stronger.


> hey all,
> thanks for all the great info and support.. I was wondering if anyone had any experience (good or bad) with sake/rice-wine and MAOIs (i'm on nardil)..
> thanks much!
> kp


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