Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 134085

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Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by utopizen on January 2, 2003, at 7:33:49

Anyone try Hydrocodone for social anxiety?

I remember having to take it for pain once, and I felt very calm.

And what about Soma daily? Does that make you um, slow?

 

Study: Opioid receptors play role in anxiety

Posted by utopizen on January 2, 2003, at 8:20:41

In reply to Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by utopizen on January 2, 2003, at 7:33:49

http://www.biopsychiatry.com/neuropep-y.html

 

Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by Caleb462 on January 2, 2003, at 13:38:58

In reply to Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by utopizen on January 2, 2003, at 7:33:49

Ah... sweet, sweet hydrocodone... tis good for EVERYTHING.

As for soma? Well sure it works for SP, same way alcohol does. However, it's mighty addictive - just like it's relative mepobromate.

 

Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by utopizen on January 2, 2003, at 15:35:34

In reply to Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by Caleb462 on January 2, 2003, at 13:38:58

> Ah... sweet, sweet hydrocodone... tis good for EVERYTHING.
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> As for soma? Well sure it works for SP, same way alcohol does. However, it's mighty addictive - just like it's relative mepobromate.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It is a relative, and dose metabolize as mepro. I've never tried it, but you may be right in that it is listed to have caused stupor, as well as coma and death. Ha! Soma Coma. If comas were a good thing, imagine the marketing potential. Ooops. That joke connects with that movie from the Kids in the Hall about the happy pill... uh-oh. too funny.

Anyway, Soma Coma. How cool does that sound? Imagine if junkies volunteered themselves into a coma. Drug addiction wouldn't be so visible anymore, how cool!


Well, actually, the truth is that only in patients with a clinical history of drug abuse should be watched. Here we go:

from rxlist-

DRUG ABUSE AND DEPENDENCE
In dogs, no withdrawal symptoms occurred after abrupt cessation of carisoprodol from dosages as high as 1 g/kg/day. In a study in man, abrupt cessation of 100 mg/kg/day (about five times the recommended daily adult dosage) was followed in some subjects by mild withdrawal symptoms such as abdominal cramps, insomnia, chilliness, headache, and nausea. Delirium and convulsions did not occur. In clinical use, psychological dependence and abuse have been rare, and there have been no reports of significant abstinence signs. Nevertheless, the drug should be used with caution in addiction-prone individuals.


 

Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by Caleb462 on January 4, 2003, at 0:31:46

In reply to Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by utopizen on January 2, 2003, at 15:35:34

Yeah, that's what the common medical info states, however... I've heard/read a lot of recent talk about Soma being much more addictive than what marketing lets on, and it's certainly become a popular street drug. My girlfriend LOVES it, lol.

 

Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by utopizen on January 4, 2003, at 22:22:34

In reply to Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by Caleb462 on January 4, 2003, at 0:31:46

> Yeah, that's what the common medical info states, however... I've heard/read a lot of recent talk about Soma being much more addictive than what marketing lets on, and it's certainly become a popular street drug. My girlfriend LOVES it, lol.
>

Well, tell your girlfriend to be quiet, it's my only chance with my benzophobic doc before I give up on him. =)

"So, how would you feel, doctor, about avoiding a controlled substance to treat my social anxiety?"

I may as well hand him the pen to write his pad out... lol

 

Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by Caleb462 on January 5, 2003, at 1:19:19

In reply to Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by utopizen on January 4, 2003, at 22:22:34

lol. I wouldn't know whether either of the docs I've been to are benzophobic or not, as I always feel way to intimidated to suggest anything. I always tell myself... "NEXT time, I'll ask about a benzo"... but once I'm in there I just nod my head. He could prescribe me Cyanide and I'd say "okay, sure."

 

Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by neetie on January 5, 2003, at 17:20:31

In reply to Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by utopizen on January 2, 2003, at 7:33:49

I gotta say that for me hydrocodone is excellent for social anxiety, in that I talk more and am not self-conscious about what I am saying (I'm normally abnormally quiet). But it is very addictive and really not the best way to handle the problem. Trust me.

anita

 

Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by jerrympls on January 6, 2003, at 22:21:44

In reply to Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by neetie on January 5, 2003, at 17:20:31

> I gotta say that for me hydrocodone is excellent for social anxiety, in that I talk more and am not self-conscious about what I am saying (I'm normally abnormally quiet). But it is very addictive and really not the best way to handle the problem. Trust me.
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> anita

Yes - for me too - hydrocodone is excellent for social anxiety - beats anything I've every tried. However, you never know if you have a doc well versed enough to prescribe it (and who isn't an opiophobe).

 

Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by Ame Sans Vie on January 14, 2003, at 8:30:51

In reply to Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by utopizen on January 2, 2003, at 7:33:49

Hydrocodone seems to work all right for my AvPD, but unless you're talking about straight hydrocodone, I don't think it's such a great idea. I'd be worried personally about the acetaminophen/ibuprofen in Vicodin/Vicoprofen and its effects taken long-term-- especially considering the tid-qid dosing schedule. Although a simple cold water extraction could filter out the APAP/ibuprofen, it's not a process I'd feel like going through all the time... though I did have to when I was taking Vicodin for post dental extraction pain. I'm deathly allergic to acetaminophen, aspirin, and NSAIDs, but hydrocodone is the only drug I can take that is both effective for my pain and doesn't leave me with my head over the toilet all day. Now I just keep a supply of Canadian Hycodan on hand (the U.S. version contains homatropine) at my mdoc's suggestion for headaches and the like. But that being said, hydrocodone itself is definitely not bad for SP, if you can manage to keep from developing a tolerance. I've tried Darvon in the past and found it much less effective than hydrocodone, excluding one occasion when I experimented with raising my evening dose to 195mg... but then, I suppose I'd discount that as anxiety relief is pretty common when one is in a complete narcotic stupor, lol. As a side note, not an enjoyable experience, actually... what is it with propoxyphene? It seems so far removed from the other opioids as far as its effects...

I found Dilaudid exponentially more effective than Darvon and quite a bit more effective than hydrocodone... I think. I don't really remember the week I was on the stuff, lol. Actually, the reason I D/C'd the Dilaudid was because I found it to feel *much* too similar to heroin for my liking. quick note: no, I'm not a former junkie, but I'd definitely be lying if I said I hadn't done it once or twice before years ago. (This just popped into my head and, while on the topic of heroin, I may as well see if anyone has any insight. It's well known that heroin, diacetylmorphine, turns instantly into morphine upon entering the blood. So why do addicts prefer it? Not that it matters... just wondering.)

A quick recommendation though-- one drug I have used recreationally in the past which was a wonderful opioid anxiolytic (and unscheduled, to boot) is Stadol NS. It's a nasal spray containing 10mg/ml of butorphanol. I haven't looked into it, but I assume it's an agonist/antagonist. The only reason I speculate on this (other than because of its unscheduled status) is because I've seen junkies use it, usually in conjunction with some combination of diazepam, Benedryl, and codeine (?... seems odd, I know), to reverse potentially fatal narcotic overdoses. Apparently they like the convenience of a fast-acting spray, though I've also seen Buprenex used intravenously for this same purpose. Anyway, definitely something to consider, and a great antidepressant as well.

As for Soma, I took it several times daily for a month and then had to D/C it abruptly. No withdrawal that I could detect... though I have to emphatically agree with the others regarding its abuse potential-- I've had several friends fall victim to this, including one who OD'd when he bought Soma Compound w/Codeine (200mg carisoprodol/325mg aspirin/16mg codeine) from some guy thinking it was just plain 350mg carisoprodol. He had developed quite a tolerance to the stuff and apparently went right ahead and took 20 of them from the get-go. Poor guy didn't survive another two hours. But it's definitely great if you can avoid the temptation to abuse it (which can be difficult, apparently even to those who aren't 'addiction-prone'-- this coming from my grandmother, lol). I imagine most people could get by on doses of 350mg, though I had to take 700mg/dose myself. Felt a little 'slow' the first week or so, then grew accustomed to it. Though the feeling is somewhat different, it's definitely not any worse than first starting benzodiazepine treatment.

Oh, and if you end up trying Soma and liking it, I'd suggest being extremely careful combining hydrocodone with it. There's something about hydrocodone in particular that seems to create an unbelievable synergy with carisoprodol. The combination, to me, feels even closer to heroin than Dilaudid... but of course, YMMV. Good luck.

--Michael

 

Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?

Posted by Alexander on November 17, 2003, at 5:51:08

In reply to Re: Hydrocodone or Soma for SP?, posted by Ame Sans Vie on January 14, 2003, at 8:30:51

> Hydrocodone seems to work all right for my AvPD, but unless you're talking about straight hydrocodone, I don't think it's such a great idea. I'd be worried personally about the acetaminophen/ibuprofen in Vicodin/Vicoprofen and its effects taken long-term-- especially considering the tid-qid dosing schedule. Although a simple cold water extraction could filter out the APAP/ibuprofen, it's not a process I'd feel like going through all the time... though I did have to when I was taking Vicodin for post dental extraction pain. I'm deathly allergic to acetaminophen, aspirin, and NSAIDs, but hydrocodone is the only drug I can take that is both effective for my pain and doesn't leave me with my head over the toilet all day. Now I just keep a supply of Canadian Hycodan on hand (the U.S. version contains homatropine) at my mdoc's suggestion for headaches and the like. But that being said, hydrocodone itself is definitely not bad for SP, if you can manage to keep from developing a tolerance. I've tried Darvon in the past and found it much less effective than hydrocodone, excluding one occasion when I experimented with raising my evening dose to 195mg... but then, I suppose I'd discount that as anxiety relief is pretty common when one is in a complete narcotic stupor, lol. As a side note, not an enjoyable experience, actually... what is it with propoxyphene? It seems so far removed from the other opioids as far as its effects...
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> I found Dilaudid exponentially more effective than Darvon and quite a bit more effective than hydrocodone... I think. I don't really remember the week I was on the stuff, lol. Actually, the reason I D/C'd the Dilaudid was because I found it to feel *much* too similar to heroin for my liking. quick note: no, I'm not a former junkie, but I'd definitely be lying if I said I hadn't done it once or twice before years ago. (This just popped into my head and, while on the topic of heroin, I may as well see if anyone has any insight. It's well known that heroin, diacetylmorphine, turns instantly into morphine upon entering the blood. So why do addicts prefer it? Not that it matters... just wondering.)
>
> A quick recommendation though-- one drug I have used recreationally in the past which was a wonderful opioid anxiolytic (and unscheduled, to boot) is Stadol NS. It's a nasal spray containing 10mg/ml of butorphanol. I haven't looked into it, but I assume it's an agonist/antagonist. The only reason I speculate on this (other than because of its unscheduled status) is because I've seen junkies use it, usually in conjunction with some combination of diazepam, Benedryl, and codeine (?... seems odd, I know), to reverse potentially fatal narcotic overdoses. Apparently they like the convenience of a fast-acting spray, though I've also seen Buprenex used intravenously for this same purpose. Anyway, definitely something to consider, and a great antidepressant as well.
>
> As for Soma, I took it several times daily for a month and then had to D/C it abruptly. No withdrawal that I could detect... though I have to emphatically agree with the others regarding its abuse potential-- I've had several friends fall victim to this, including one who OD'd when he bought Soma Compound w/Codeine (200mg carisoprodol/325mg aspirin/16mg codeine) from some guy thinking it was just plain 350mg carisoprodol. He had developed quite a tolerance to the stuff and apparently went right ahead and took 20 of them from the get-go. Poor guy didn't survive another two hours. But it's definitely great if you can avoid the temptation to abuse it (which can be difficult, apparently even to those who aren't 'addiction-prone'-- this coming from my grandmother, lol). I imagine most people could get by on doses of 350mg, though I had to take 700mg/dose myself. Felt a little 'slow' the first week or so, then grew accustomed to it. Though the feeling is somewhat different, it's definitely not any worse than first starting benzodiazepine treatment.
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> Oh, and if you end up trying Soma and liking it, I'd suggest being extremely careful combining hydrocodone with it. There's something about hydrocodone in particular that seems to create an unbelievable synergy with carisoprodol. The combination, to me, feels even closer to heroin than Dilaudid... but of course, YMMV. Good luck.
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There's always something like "compounding pharmacies".
In Germany every pharmacy is a "compounding pharmacy" That means the MD can just write stuff like 11.2 grams of diazepam in gelatine capsules; #100. Then the pharmacist gets a jar of diazepam

Anyways - they are in Canada, very rare though, and they are in the States, too. Flip through the Yellow pages.
Hydrocodone will then be able to be given straight, ...as a CII drug though


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