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Re: dosing Alice Anne

Posted by pharmrep on September 19, 2002, at 11:21:23

In reply to Re: dosing, posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 1:00:00

> Why is my "sensitivity" in quotes? As I said in my original post-- I began with 5mgs, felt so horrible I skipped a day and then tried again at half that. I suppose I could try licking the next pill.

** no offense intended, just tried to combine your bodily reactions into 1 word. Sorry i missed the 5mg start post....licking...thats funny...maybe the skipped day did something? What will you try...2.5mg 1 wk, 5mg 1wk, then maybe higher?

 

Re: dosing

Posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 11:48:50

In reply to Re: dosing Alice Anne, posted by pharmrep on September 19, 2002, at 11:21:23

God bless you! You have a sense of humor. I actually did almost lick the pill last night-- I bit off about an eighth of it, and I'm still here to talk about it. Maybe I'm getting somewhere! I'll let you know. Thanks.

 

Re: dosing

Posted by babs on September 19, 2002, at 12:39:47

In reply to Re: dosing, posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 11:48:50

Ok- I finally have some good news. I no longer feel achey, i actually have an appetite and even left the house today. I decided I deserved to go shopping after feeling like hell for a week. I've lost 10 pounds since last Monday (not necessarily a bad thing). I don't feel like running a marathon but I do feel almost human. I am, however, waiting for Lexapro to turn me into the sex kitten I once was.

 

Re: dosing

Posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 13:40:39

In reply to Re: dosing, posted by babs on September 19, 2002, at 12:39:47

That is good news, Babs. That's part of my problem-- I don't have the week to spare, and use my brain (once again) as guinea pig. I'm trying to study for some big tests and I have the option of feeling overwhelming dread, depression, and anxiety, or brain damaged trying to adjust to a new chemical. Pretty hard to focus on either end. But a week is pretty darn good if that is really all it would take. I guess you were able to tolerate 10mgs much better than I seem to be able to.

 

Re: dosing babs

Posted by johnj on September 19, 2002, at 13:43:27

In reply to Re: dosing, posted by babs on September 19, 2002, at 12:39:47

Good for you babs, I hope it keeps getting better. I am really hopeful I can try lexapro in the near future. It is good to hear things are getting better. BTW I had a terrible cold last weekend so it is definately something that is going around. take care
johnj

 

Re: dosing Alice Anne

Posted by johnj on September 19, 2002, at 13:45:35

In reply to Re: dosing, posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 11:48:50

Anne,
sorry if I sounded preachy before it has just been a tough few days and I need some humor too. Maybe a nibble a day will keep the shrink away! Hope it works out for you. take care of yourself.
johnj

 

Re: dosing

Posted by babs on September 19, 2002, at 14:14:01

In reply to Re: dosing Alice Anne, posted by johnj on September 19, 2002, at 13:45:35

Thanks you guys. I'm just lucky I had this week. I just started in a PhD program so I'm a full-time student who is home most days studying. Of course, now I'm tremendously behind but my professors were pretty understanding when I told them I had the flu. i'll keep you posted.

 

Re: dosing

Posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 14:14:22

In reply to Re: dosing Alice Anne, posted by johnj on September 19, 2002, at 13:45:35

Thanks Jon, I really appreciate that. And boy do I understand the tough days. I would like to know what an easy day is again, at some point in my life. Have you found a med that works for you?

 

Re: So Sensitive

Posted by thibaud1995 on September 19, 2002, at 14:51:10

In reply to Re: So Sensitive, posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 11:04:45

I am really "sensitive" when it comes to meds as well. I actually thought licking a pill was a good idea given some of the reactions I've had with psychoactive meds. I'm on day five of 5 mg Lexapro and feel great.

 

Re: So Sensitive

Posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 15:43:21

In reply to Re: So Sensitive, posted by thibaud1995 on September 19, 2002, at 14:51:10

I'm jealous.

 

thx 4 working things out Alice Anne pharmrep (nm)

Posted by Dr. Bob on September 19, 2002, at 18:39:35

In reply to Re: dosing, posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 11:48:50

 

Lexapro User

Posted by Lexy1 on September 19, 2002, at 22:35:14

In reply to Re: So Sensitive, posted by Alice Anne on September 19, 2002, at 15:43:21

I started taking Lexapro one week ago after being on Celexa for 3 weeks. The Celexa was horrible, I wasn't eating or sleeping, the Lexapro has been fabulous. My appetite has returned and I have no problems sleeping. The only real issue that I'm having with it is that it's not really working that great for my anxiety. I had an anxiety attack today at work after never having one while I was on Prozac for 6 years. I'm wondering if there's anything better for all of the anxiety disorders or if I should up my dosage of Lexapro.

 

Re: Lexapro User Lexy1

Posted by anxiousgrrrl on September 20, 2002, at 0:14:51

In reply to Lexapro User, posted by Lexy1 on September 19, 2002, at 22:35:14

So far so good for me. My anxiety was worse with Effexor than Prozac, worse with Prozac than Zoloft.

I've been on Lexapro for 2 weeks or so, no panic attacks yet, but some twinges. I keep some klonopin around for periods of more acute anxiety and haven't felt the need to use it yet (since switching).

I'd recommend giving it more time, 4-6 weeks at least. Switching meds always involves a bit of time for adjustment. Don't give up yet!

But if you're having panic attacks, ask your pdoc for a benzodiazapene. Mine prescribed klonopin because it's longer-acting and has a more mellow efficacy curve.

You could take klonopin for a few weeks and then taper it off and see how the lexapro is doing.


 

Re: switched Lexy1

Posted by pharmrep on September 20, 2002, at 1:00:17

In reply to Lexapro User, posted by Lexy1 on September 19, 2002, at 22:35:14

> I started taking Lexapro one week ago after being on Celexa for 3 weeks. The Celexa was horrible, I wasn't eating or sleeping, the Lexapro has been fabulous. My appetite has returned and I have no problems sleeping. The only real issue that I'm having with it is that it's not really working that great for my anxiety. I had an anxiety attack today at work after never having one while I was on Prozac for 6 years. I'm wondering if there's anything better for all of the anxiety disorders or if I should up my dosage of Lexapro.

** Dont up it yet...Prozac has a long 1/2 life, and when you switched to celexa, you still had prozac in you to for at least 1 wk...maybe more. It is out of you now, but remember Lexapro is effective at 1-2 weeks for most people...give it a little more time to work (treat the anxiety).
ps...are you taking 10mg? That is the starting dose.

 

Re: LEXAPRO -- UPDATE #2

Posted by hawkeye on September 20, 2002, at 12:56:49

In reply to Re: LEXAPRO hawkeye, posted by pharmrep on September 14, 2002, at 9:57:47

Hi. I have been taking Lexapro (10mg/day) for two weeks. I did drop to 5mgs/day for a couple of days, but then returned to 20mgs. I have also stopped taking Lamictal to see if it was playing any role in the sexual dysfunction that I have been experiencing since starting Lexapro.

HERE's The GOOD NEWS: For me, this is a terrific drug for alleviating depression. I really feel better than I have for a very long time!

HERE's the BAD NEWS: Sexual Dysfunction

So I am faced with the proverbial Hobsian's Choice. Sex or Depression.

Tomorrow I am going to cut back to 5mgs/day. I'll let you know what happens.

 

Re: % hawkeye

Posted by pharmrep on September 20, 2002, at 20:22:45

In reply to Re: LEXAPRO -- UPDATE #2, posted by hawkeye on September 20, 2002, at 12:56:49

> Hi. I have been taking Lexapro (10mg/day) for two weeks. I did drop to 5mgs/day for a couple of days, but then returned to 20mgs. I have also stopped taking Lamictal to see if it was playing any role in the sexual dysfunction that I have been experiencing since starting Lexapro.
>
> HERE's The GOOD NEWS: For me, this is a terrific drug for alleviating depression. I really feel better than I have for a very long time!
>
> HERE's the BAD NEWS: Sexual Dysfunction
>
> So I am faced with the proverbial Hobsian's Choice. Sex or Depression.
>
> Tomorrow I am going to cut back to 5mgs/day. I'll let you know what happens.

** I am curious...why up and down...10mg was ok i thought...also, I know the sex s/e are a class effect of ssri's, and these numbers are not exact, but 10mg had sex s/e (ejac delay) of 6% vs 20mg of 11%, so if you can...stay at 10. Glad to hear your success. Good luck and keep us posted.

 

Re: %

Posted by hawkeye on September 21, 2002, at 8:20:08

In reply to Re: % hawkeye, posted by pharmrep on September 20, 2002, at 20:22:45

OOPS! My mistake. should read 10mgs (not 20mgs). No. 10mgs was not OK. My last message should read:

" Hi. I have been taking Lexapro (10mg/day) for two weeks. I did drop to 5mgs/day for a couple of days, but then returned to 10mgs. I have also stopped taking Lamictal to see if it was playing any role in the sexual dysfunction that I have been experiencing since starting Lexapro.
>
> HERE's The GOOD NEWS: For me, this is a terrific drug for alleviating depression. I really feel better than I have for a very long time!
>
> HERE's the BAD NEWS: Sexual Dysfunction
>
> So I am faced with the proverbial Hobsian's Choice. Sex or Depression.
>
> Tomorrow I am going to cut back to 5mgs/day. I'll let you know what happens."

 

Re: LEXAPRO/lobotomy...HAHAHA!!!!

Posted by URCONFUSED on September 21, 2002, at 16:39:34

In reply to Re: LEXAPRO/lobotomy sjb, posted by johnj on September 17, 2002, at 9:18:55

HO HO HO! I never heard being on an SSRI being compared to a "lobotomy." Always something funny on these message boards to make me laugh. Id say comparing an SSRI to a lobotomy is kinda ridiculous to say the least.

For most depressives, SSRIs will do the opposite. Make your feelings, emotions and senses come back to life. While Im no big fan of "Lexapro" as I feel all the hype about it is unneeded (its just another SSRI afterall), I cant see comparing it to a lobotomy.

URCONFUSED

 

feeling ill again

Posted by babs on September 21, 2002, at 17:54:35

In reply to Re: LEXAPRO/lobotomy...HAHAHA!!!!, posted by URCONFUSED on September 21, 2002, at 16:39:34

OK. I had two good days on lexapro and then felt sick all over again this afternoon. vomiting, nausea, dizziness. I talked to my pdoc and he wants me to discontinue taking Wellbutrin and Risperdal for a few days to see if it's the Lexapro. Is anyone else having these problems? Mentally I feel fine but physically is another story.

 

Re: feeling ill again babs

Posted by Roman on September 21, 2002, at 18:24:35

In reply to feeling ill again, posted by babs on September 21, 2002, at 17:54:35

I wonder what physiological effects can be attributed to the Celexa R-enantiomer. Wouldn't it be interesting to know if you're experiencing withdrawal from half of your previous Celexa therapy?

Since the R-enantiomer is blamed for much of Celexa's s/e profile, it can't be inert. Therefore, a physiological response to the sudden absense of half the Celexa molecule (30mg R-enantiomer) is possible.

What do you think?

Hope you feel better soon!

 

Re: feeling ill again Roman

Posted by pharmrep on September 21, 2002, at 19:06:34

In reply to Re: feeling ill again babs, posted by Roman on September 21, 2002, at 18:24:35

> I wonder what physiological effects can be attributed to the Celexa R-enantiomer. Wouldn't it be interesting to know if you're experiencing withdrawal from half of your previous Celexa therapy?
>
> Since the R-enantiomer is blamed for much of Celexa's s/e profile, it can't be inert. Therefore, a physiological response to the sudden absense of half the Celexa molecule (30mg R-enantiomer) is possible.
>
> What do you think?
>
*** interesting concept...although i cant swear it isnt possible, neither Celexa (nor Lexapro) have been associated with discontinuation syndrome (like paxil and effexor can be) The 1st few weeks is usually the toughest to adjust to any new med (hang in there)

 

Question for PharmRep Re: Dosage Equivalent Celexa

Posted by hawkeye on September 21, 2002, at 19:40:53

In reply to Re: LEXAPRO hawkeye, posted by pharmrep on September 14, 2002, at 9:57:47

Does this data mean that approx. 7mgs of Lexapro is the functional equivalent of 40mgs of Celexa?

[7mgs of Lex. raises brain seretonin by %2100;
40mgs of Cel raises brain seretonin by %2000

"The new study shows that Lexapro (the S-enantiomer of citalopram), when given at 2 mg/kg subcutaneously (s.c.), was more than twice as potent as Celexa at 4 mg/kg s.c. (2.0 mg/kg S-enantiomer + 2.0 mg/kg R-enantiomer) in increasing brain serotonin levels (about 300 percent vs. 200 percent, respectively). In contrast to Lexapro, the R-enantiomer of citalopram, when given at 2.5 mg/kg s.c., did not increase brain serotonin levels."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020624/nym009_1.html

It has been my understanding that while 40mgs of Celexa is the recomended dosage, that comparable results may also be obtained at 20mgs.

"In a 6-week fixed-dose study, patients received citalopram, 20 or 40 mg/day, or placebo (n=64 to 70 per group). Patients treated with citalopram 40 mg/day, showed significantly greater improvement than placebo-treated patients. The difference between the lower dose of citalopram and placebo was not significant. "

"The effectiveness of citalopram in preventing relapse was assessed in two long-term studies. Depressed patients who responded to citalopram during an initial 6 or 8 weeks of acute treatment (fixed doses of 20 or 40 mg/day in one study and flexible doses of 20-60 mg/day in the second study) were randomized to continue on citalopram or receive placebo. The number of patients who received citalopram and placebo was 257 and 116, respectively. In both studies, patients who continued on citalopram experienced significantly lower relapse rates over the subsequent 6 months compared to those receiving placebo. In the fixed-dose study, the relapse rates were similar at the 20 and 40 mg/day doses, namely 10% and 12%, respectively. "

http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-c04.html#Head_3

So, maybe 5mgs of Celexa Professional Edition will be more than enough.

 

Please Ignore My Prior Post Re: Equivalent Dosage

Posted by hawkeye on September 21, 2002, at 19:44:21

In reply to Question for PharmRep Re: Dosage Equivalent Celexa, posted by hawkeye on September 21, 2002, at 19:40:53

Calculations are Wrong.

Sorry

 

CORRECTED POST (I Think)

Posted by hawkeye on September 21, 2002, at 20:04:33

In reply to Re: LEXAPRO hawkeye, posted by pharmrep on September 14, 2002, at 9:57:47

Does this data mean that approx. 7mgs of Lexapro is the functional equivalent of 20mgs of Celexa?

[7mgs of Lex. raises brain seretonin by %1050;
20mgs of Cel raises brain seretonin by %1000

"The new study shows that Lexapro (the S-enantiomer of citalopram), when given at 2 mg/kg subcutaneously (s.c.), was more than twice as potent as Celexa at 4 mg/kg s.c. (2.0 mg/kg S-enantiomer + 2.0 mg/kg R-enantiomer) in increasing brain serotonin levels (about 300 percent vs. 200 percent, respectively). In contrast to Lexapro, the R-enantiomer of citalopram, when given at 2.5 mg/kg s.c., did not increase brain serotonin levels."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020624/nym009_1.html

It has been my understanding that while 40mgs of Celexa is the recomended dosage, that comparable results may also be obtained at 20mgs.

"The effectiveness of citalopram in preventing relapse was assessed in two long-term studies. Depressed patients who responded to citalopram during an initial 6 or 8 weeks of acute treatment (fixed doses of 20 or 40 mg/day in one study and flexible doses of 20-60 mg/day in the second study) were randomized to continue on citalopram or receive placebo. The number of patients who received citalopram and placebo was 257 and 116, respectively. In both studies, patients who continued on citalopram experienced significantly lower relapse rates over the subsequent 6 months compared to those receiving placebo. In the fixed-dose study, the relapse rates were similar at the 20 and 40 mg/day doses, namely 10% and 12%, respectively. "

http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-c04.html#Head_3

So, maybe 5mgs of Celexa Professional Edition will be enough. Or, 7mgs will be more than enough (by dividing a 10mg tablet and then subdividing one half again)

 

Re: feeling ill again

Posted by Alice Anne on September 21, 2002, at 23:43:32

In reply to feeling ill again, posted by babs on September 21, 2002, at 17:54:35

Hi babs, I'm still playing around with my 2.5 mgs. and not having fun yet. Weird pressure headache, spaciness--just not comfortable. I feel like there's a band of led behind my eyes. I imagine at the full 10mgs. I'd be quite a case. But your two good days were a good sign. Hope you feel better.


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