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Posted by quarterlifer on August 16, 2002, at 22:16:01
In reply to Re: Am I crazy? » quarterlifer, posted by judy1 on August 14, 2002, at 23:54:39
Thank you, Judy! I appreciate the info and advice!
Posted by LynnPerley on August 16, 2002, at 23:09:55
In reply to You people are scaring the hell out of me!, posted by sly on August 15, 2002, at 7:51:54
Sly, I agree that it is your decision and nobody else's, but if you do, go slowly. Get a prescrip for 37.5 and maybe try an every third day thing at first? (75 for 2, 37.5 for 1, etc.?) I ended up at 225 mg and I've been contemplating seeing if I can cut back. The thought of how long it will take, and the side effects of withdrawal, are daunting for me. Had I stopped at 75 mg, it seems like it would be easier. Let us know what the doc says.
Posted by cybercafe on August 17, 2002, at 18:23:25
In reply to Re: You people are scaring the hell out of me! » cybercafe, posted by shar on August 16, 2002, at 15:34:35
> > hey shar do dysthymics have atypical or melancholic depression?
>
> these are technical terms for describing certain kinds of depression found in dysthymia? I'm not that familiar with the nuances of each term. Can you give me more of a description?Yes.. I can give you more of a description... but I will not! Never! You shall forever be tortured by your curiousity!
Instead I shall simply ask you if you experience sleep less and eat less when you are more depressed or sleep more and eat more ...
and if you get mood reactivity (your symptoms pretty might go away occasionally when you do a fun activity when you are in the depths of depression) and if you get rejection sensitivity...Muhahahahaha I shall seek to confound and thwart the innocent with technical jargon forever more.... and no one can stop me!
Posted by MomO3 on August 17, 2002, at 23:38:09
In reply to You people are scaring the hell out of me!, posted by sly on August 15, 2002, at 7:51:54
I have been taking SSRIs since 1989 and I have become an expert at dealing with different Drs, due to geographical and insurance changes over the years. Simply tell the Dr. :
"No. I don't want to go off of it right now. Write me a prescription for the next six months and we'll talk again then." If he wont do it, then find a new Dr. You can walk into any general practitioner in the world and say "I am here because I need a prescription for Effexor", and chances are they will ask you why you take it, for how long, and what dosage should they write it for...
Ultimately it is up to you to be your own advocate in the Dr.'s office. And don't worry about withdrawal symptoms until you are READY to go off of the medication. You may reach a point in the future where you don't WANT to be on Effexor anymore and the side effects of stopping wont matter.
If you would like humorous analogy... Withdrawal after medication is like childbirth after pregnancy. At 4 months pregnant, the idea of labor & delivery is a really frightening prospect. But, ask ANY woman who is past her due date if she STILL wants to be pregnant and you will get a resounding "NO!!!" Childbirth is no longer frightening because it is the lesser of two evils.
Regards,
Mom O'3
Posted by Alf on August 18, 2002, at 9:22:19
In reply to You people are scaring the hell out of me!, posted by sly on August 15, 2002, at 7:51:54
The nature of the depression holds the key to my way of thinking. Is it biochemical or behavioral? If it is behavioral is therapy part of the treatment? No I don't want an answer. It's none of my business! My point is that there should be some kind of support in place to help you if you decide to become Effexor free. You might consider keeping a month's supply on hand just in case the depression returns.
Yes I'm on Effexor at present but I have no intention of going off it regardless. My impression of pdocs is that they treat DEPRESSION like it's some kind of headache. Just take some Effexor and after a while you'll be normal. (?!) Funk and Wagnall defines NORMAL as "Well adjusted to the outside world; without undue mental tensions." I don't know what that feels like. I've never experienced it.
In any case, good luck to you with whatever decision you make.
Posted by angeltalena on August 18, 2002, at 12:59:28
In reply to Re: Don't be scared.... » sly, posted by MomO3 on August 17, 2002, at 23:38:09
Good answer and reassuring to me as I have no desire to get off of the pills that are helping me so much. Life is good again and it's scary to even think of stopping something that helps so much. When and if the time comes I will gradually go off and I'm sure it will be fine. If not, I will stay on them.
Karen
> I have been taking SSRIs since 1989 and I have become an expert at dealing with different Drs, due to geographical and insurance changes over the years. Simply tell the Dr. :
>
> "No. I don't want to go off of it right now. Write me a prescription for the next six months and we'll talk again then." If he wont do it, then find a new Dr. You can walk into any general practitioner in the world and say "I am here because I need a prescription for Effexor", and chances are they will ask you why you take it, for how long, and what dosage should they write it for...
>
> Ultimately it is up to you to be your own advocate in the Dr.'s office. And don't worry about withdrawal symptoms until you are READY to go off of the medication. You may reach a point in the future where you don't WANT to be on Effexor anymore and the side effects of stopping wont matter.
>
> If you would like humorous analogy... Withdrawal after medication is like childbirth after pregnancy. At 4 months pregnant, the idea of labor & delivery is a really frightening prospect. But, ask ANY woman who is past her due date if she STILL wants to be pregnant and you will get a resounding "NO!!!" Childbirth is no longer frightening because it is the lesser of two evils.
>
> Regards,
> Mom O'3
Posted by menolly57 on August 18, 2002, at 17:23:48
In reply to You people are scaring the hell out of me!, posted by sly on August 15, 2002, at 7:51:54
Sly, I was on Effexor for years and it worked very, very well. If I were you I would be very careful about going off medication if it is working so well for you. If you do it, you should taper off gradually and be prepared to go back on it if the depression returns.
Every medication works differently on different people, so you should NOT assume that what happened to others will happen to you. For example, Paxil seems to be a wonder drug for some people, but it didn't help me much and I gained 20 pounds on it. Effexor gave me almost no problems. Side effects are far from universal, so don't let the horror stories scare you too much.
If the Effexor works for you, I'd say let it work for you. Don't just go off it because you feel you "should." It is better to be on drugs and happy than to be drug-free and suicidal.
Take care and good luck with everything.
Posted by redape on August 19, 2002, at 0:06:55
In reply to Re: You people are scaring the hell out of me!, posted by menolly57 on August 18, 2002, at 17:23:48
Ugh...scream...I am new to this board but am feeling like...ugh! I hope you know what I mean. I have been on effexor for just about 4 months and it has worked wonders. I was upped to 150mg/day two mos ago and it seems I have once again hit my plateau(sp?)...My doctor told me what to watch out for-feeling like you're going backwards in progress instead of forward. For the last week I have been increasingly on edge, moody, sad, needing to sit in a corner and wrap a blanket on my head and hide. I was hoping it was just a bad couple of days, but...Now I am going to call her tomorrow and see if my dosage needs to be upped. It is worse than the first time of hitting the plateau. Have any of you gone through this? How much do you guys take? Help!
I would love to hear from you!
Posted by selena on August 19, 2002, at 19:36:01
In reply to Re: You people are scaring the hell out of me!, posted by quarterlifer on August 16, 2002, at 22:14:10
I have been on four different antidepressants in the past eight years with six months off in 98' I have been on effexor xr for the past three. This one drug by far has been the worse on my body of all of them(Prozac,no sex drive. Paxil, made me anxious and edgy. Zoloft, aaahh 25 pounds in 1 1/2 months) The Effexor I thought was the best so far aside from the prozac, which I loved if I could of lived with the one side effect I had, which I could not. I never put together the stuff that my body was going through with the effexor. My blood pressure was high and never had been before, my face started getting dry spots, exema. more weight gain! Sleeplesness. So with the high blood pressure and the no sleep came 2 more pills. And I had always had problems just remembering my birth control pills:). so 3 pills later I started researching when I had forgot my pill(effexor) yet again, and laid in bed with the electric zaps and strange dreams because I had forgotten. I started doing research and while I
'm pretty sure it is not all related to the effexor I do think it is weird that all my particular side effects started shortly after I had started the Effexor. I don't really know why I had never put it together, Probably because it was helping the depression and I thought OH WELL. The brain zaps are really what scared the shit out of me. Something about that just is not right!!!. Anyway I stopped them, I knew that my doctor would taper me and I had seen the side effects were'nt that much better with the tapering. So from 300mg I am down to nothing except I have taken the ambian for sleeping because that was unbearable (sleep paralysis, night terrors ETC..) but this is day 5 and alot of the eye wooshing and brain zaps has died down.I have the headache today but overall I think it is getting better. I've read some real horror stories about getting off this. but in my expierence I have a great support system. So I guess what I'm saying is do RESEARCH and pay attention to your body changes they are so subtle but I feel like I fell apart on this drug and didn't even realize it. While my way I know is not the best way to get off this drug it definately in my experience was not as hard as others symptoms. so don't be afraid and just research the medication. In the end you may find it's worth it for you to stay on it everyone reacts differently. sorry my story is so long but as you can see I had a lot to say
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Posted by Starwatcher on August 19, 2002, at 19:36:42
In reply to Re: You people are scaring the hell out of me!, posted by quarterlifer on August 16, 2002, at 22:14:10
> Does it really help with fibromyalgia? My mother has had that for years, and after my experience on Effexor, I was gonna almost tell her to get off it and go with something else, however if that is the case, mums the word!
Yes, in my case it has - and with a continued dosage of only 37.5 mg. per night for about three months! I don't feel nearly as much pain as I used to. I also take an Etodolac (Lodine) which is an anti-inflammatory in conjunction with it, and two Tagamets for my stomach. I DO still feel groggy and loaded for about a half hour to an hour when I get up in the mornings, but that's okay - it passes. Also, I've had a little bit of nausea at times. But, being as much out of pain as I am is definitely worth it!
Starwatcher
Posted by Mr.Scott on August 19, 2002, at 20:30:07
In reply to Re: You people are scaring the hell out of me!, posted by Starwatcher on August 19, 2002, at 19:36:42
Is switch to a low dose of Celexa and taper off.
Posted by sly on August 20, 2002, at 8:11:48
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Thanks to everyone who responded, I really appreciated the help!
I spoke with my Dr. yesterday and he's happy with my progress, since things are going well there's no reason to mess with success, at least for a little while longer.
I'm going to continue as is for another two months and then we'll revisit the issue of tapering me off, slowly.
In the meantime, I will head all of your advice and do a little more research on how to make the withdrawal as painless as possible.
Take care and good luck to everyone out there.
Posted by IsoM on August 20, 2002, at 12:10:09
In reply to Thanks everyone for your help!, posted by sly on August 20, 2002, at 8:11:48
Sly, I've written about withdrawal help a number of times before but no one's made an answering comment, or said they ever thought it worth the try, so I've become cynical about telling anyone. But I'll try again.
When I stopped Luvox, I tapered off *very* slowly but still had a horrible time. It took months after stopping completely before the symptoms left. So when I later stopped Paxil, I anticipated another bad period. I had no idea how bad it would be. I was literally bed-ridden most of two months as movement of any sort made things unbearable. I had nausea, vertigo & dizziness (there's a bit of difference between the two), brain zaps (up to 5 or 6 a minute, I timed them), & general severe malaise.
Even four months after stopping completely, the symptoms hadn't completely left but remained at a low, constant level. I ended up adding 5 mg Paxil back to my Celexa to lessen the problems.
About a year later, I started adrafinil to see if it would help me with other problems. It did nicely. A few weeks after starting adrafinil, I ran out of my Paxil & didn't want to go downtown to pick up the refill that day. I thought I could bear one day of feeling horrible. But to my surprise, I felt fine the next day, so I let my refill go another day. My withdrawal symptoms never returned - not the slightest twinge!
Talking with a pharmacist in town, he thought my response interesting. Seeing the difficulty that most have coming off Effexor, Paxil, & Luvox, he suggested that it would be a good thing to let people know about. He was going to mention it to others.
When I ran out of adrafinil (from overseas), I expected the withdrawal symptoms to return but they never did. It seemed that adrafinil "fixed" whatever was wrong with my brain chemistry. I now take modafinil (Provigil in USA & Alertec in Canada) instead as I believe it superior to adrafinil.
Why not ask your doctor if you can have a (at least short-term) prescription for modafinil to help tide you over your tapering off? You may find that it has surprising benefits. It's done wonders for anhedonia & motivation too.
Posted by gatitapurrrrrs on August 20, 2002, at 18:28:30
In reply to Thanks everyone for your help!, posted by sly on August 20, 2002, at 8:11:48
Hello! I just want to share my experience with you. I suffer from chronic depression, panic attacks and obsessive compulsive disorder since 1990 and the only medication that has helped me has been Effexor. It has been 8 months now since I have a "new" life. My dosis is 225mg a day and I would not dare to miss a dose! I can say that since I started taking it, my days have been brighter and I see everything with a whole new perspective. I must say though, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, DO NOT drink alcohol because it can make you go completely nuts without you even realizing it. Twice (with 3 glasses of red wine) I went berserk, into some sort of "trance", lost all inhibitions and insulted half of my family... the worst part is, I don't even remember it. Wish you all well in your way of recovery!
xoxoxox
Posted by denise528 on August 21, 2002, at 4:27:02
In reply to Love Effexor!!!, posted by gatitapurrrrrs on August 20, 2002, at 18:28:30
Hi,
Did you feel better on a lower dose or did you have to go up to 225 before you got any relief? I felt lousy on 37.5 up to 150 and I was wondering if perhaps I just didn't go high enough.
Denise
Posted by Alf on August 21, 2002, at 20:09:14
In reply to riding out a wave..., posted by redape on August 19, 2002, at 0:06:55
I don't know about any plateaus. I've only been taking Effexor for 2 months presently at 112.5 mg. I suspect my pdoc is going to increase the dosage which was increased the last time. I didn't feel any benefits from Effexor for a minimum of 3 to 5 weeks after beginning treatment or increasing the dosage.
My therapist told me that Effexor will not stop you from feeling anything which is good in my opinion. I feel angry, frustrated, tired, lonesome, etc.,etc.. But it does stop my depression causality dead in it's tracks. And I also feel much less anxious around people. There are days in which
I feel absolutely great! Even with the side effects I feel fortunate to have Effexor.
Posted by jannbeau on August 22, 2002, at 13:18:36
In reply to Re: riding out a wave..., posted by Alf on August 21, 2002, at 20:09:14
>Hi, Alf,
On 75 mg/day Effexor-XR, I felt totally disengaged from my feelings! I didn't react to anything. My anxiety level was certainly lower, but I didn't feel happy or sad or anything else, not to mention absolutely NO interest in sex. I was taking the med for depression and pain relief. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.
Jannbeau
I don't know about any plateaus. I've only been taking Effexor for 2 months presently at 112.5 mg. I suspect my pdoc is going to increase the dosage which was increased the last time. I didn't feel any benefits from Effexor for a minimum of 3 to 5 weeks after beginning treatment or increasing the dosage.
>
> My therapist told me that Effexor will not stop you from feeling anything which is good in my opinion. I feel angry, frustrated, tired, lonesome, etc.,etc.. But it does stop my depression causality dead in it's tracks. And I also feel much less anxious around people. There are days in which
> I feel absolutely great! Even with the side effects I feel fortunate to have Effexor.
Posted by Alf on August 24, 2002, at 20:42:28
In reply to Re: riding out a wave..., posted by jannbeau on August 22, 2002, at 13:18:36
I think I know what you mean but the feeling was temporary about 10 days in duration. It followed the physical side effects of anorexia, sleeplessness, and headaches. The benefits didn't occur until 5 weeks after beginning the medication. For me patience was the most important approach. I think it took that long for my body to get used to the sustained levels of serotonin and norepinephrine. If my pdoc increases my dosage, I hope it's the last time because I'd like to get past these transitions.
Posted by Sulaf98 on August 26, 2002, at 20:25:41
In reply to Love Effexor!!!, posted by gatitapurrrrrs on August 20, 2002, at 18:28:30
Hi! I'm on 150mg 1x day & have felt so good for quite a few months now. I started witht he 37.5 then up to 75 then the 150. How did you progress up to the 225mg? I noticed a big improvement over the first month, but each month has brought more improvement! Thanks for all the imput I've been able get from all of you. Sue
Posted by mr_chicago188 on August 27, 2002, at 3:59:43
In reply to Re: Love Effexor!!! » gatitapurrrrrs, posted by Sulaf98 on August 26, 2002, at 20:25:41
I've been on Paxil for 6 months, up to 40 mg per day, gained 35 pounds (Bad), then doc added welbutrin to offset weight gain and sleepyness. Welbutrin feels like I drank lots of coffee, but i'm losing weight. My Anxeity from GAD seems to be gone but still suffer from depression, lack of energy and motivation. Doc has now changed me from going off paxil over next two weeks and changing to Effexor XR over next two weeks. Will be interesting where this goes..... wish me luck, because I dispise changing meds.
Posted by gatitapurrrrrs on August 27, 2002, at 12:38:02
In reply to Re: Love Effexor!!!, posted by denise528 on August 21, 2002, at 4:27:02
Hi Denise!
Sorry I did not email you but it does not appear here. In reference to your questions, I started with 37.5 the first week, second week went up to 75, third week up to 150. I was taking 150 a day for 3 months when I started feeling not myself again for no apparent reason. I called my doctor and she told me Effexor is an extended realease treatment and I probably have not reached my ideal dose. I went up to 225 which is my perfect dose because I have been without any symptoms for the last 6 months, I am in my maintenace phase which it is to prevent a relapse. My doctor also prescribed Tranxene which only I take whenever I am extremely nervous or upset if a certain an external situation occurs (death, taking a plane, etc). Yes we all have our sad days but that is perfectly normal. You need to call your doctor because you might need a larger dose. The maxium dose of Effexor is 225. Wish you luck and let me know how things are going.
xoxoxox
Gatitapurrrrrs
Posted by gatitapurrrrrs on August 27, 2002, at 12:46:29
In reply to Re: Love Effexor!!!, posted by mr_chicago188 on August 27, 2002, at 3:59:43
Hi Mr_Chicago!
I just wanted to wish you luck and give you my support in these "changing" times
I can tell you a thing or two about Effexor and I hope you will like it!
One of the side effects of Effexor is lack of appetite, I literally had to force myself to eat since I lost 15 lbs during the first two months of treatment. This medication will do wonders for you as it did for me. Take it day by day and have faith. There is not one day in my life since I started taking it, I have not thanked God and blessed the people who created this medication. Effexor is a treatment and although they say it will probably take a few weeks to feel the effects, I can assure you I did feel the difference within 3-4 days. I have reached my perfect dose and had been taking 225mg for the past 6 months. You will start, as you already know, little by little. You will also have to let your doctor know if you aren't feeling well or start feeling depressed without no reason. Another important point is, your blood pressure has to be monitored in case you suffer from high blood pressure. We all have our sad days and that is perfectly normal, but you will KNOW when you are not yourself again. The doctor will give you a larger dose and this can happen a few times until you reach your ideal dose. Another thing I will tell you is, your sexual appetite will NOT be affected at all, on the contrary, you will find yourself a little frisky! Please feel free to contact me whenever you like.
I also noticed you have a yahoo account. I have Yahoo messenger and we can chat online or even see me cause I have a web cam!!! Feel free to add me as a friend in case you have it as well.
Wish you a wonderful and happy day!
Gatitapurrrrrs (='.'=) meow
Posted by Reneb on August 27, 2002, at 13:16:43
In reply to Re: Love Effexor!!!, posted by gatitapurrrrrs on August 27, 2002, at 12:46:29
> Hi Mr_Chicago!
>
> I just wanted to wish you luck and give you my support in these "changing" times
>
> I can tell you a thing or two about Effexor and I hope you will like it!
>
> One of the side effects of Effexor is lack of appetite, I literally had to force myself to eat since I lost 15 lbs during the first two months of treatment. This medication will do wonders for you as it did for me. Take it day by day and have faith. There is not one day in my life since I started taking it, I have not thanked God and blessed the people who created this medication. Effexor is a treatment and although they say it will probably take a few weeks to feel the effects, I can assure you I did feel the difference within 3-4 days. I have reached my perfect dose and had been taking 225mg for the past 6 months. You will start, as you already know, little by little. You will also have to let your doctor know if you aren't feeling well or start feeling depressed without no reason. Another important point is, your blood pressure has to be monitored in case you suffer from high blood pressure. We all have our sad days and that is perfectly normal, but you will KNOW when you are not yourself again. The doctor will give you a larger dose and this can happen a few times until you reach your ideal dose. Another thing I will tell you is, your sexual appetite will NOT be affected at all, on the contrary, you will find yourself a little frisky! Please feel free to contact me whenever you like.
> I also noticed you have a yahoo account. I have Yahoo messenger and we can chat online or even see me cause I have a web cam!!! Feel free to add me as a friend in case you have it as well.
> Wish you a wonderful and happy day!
>
> Gatitapurrrrrs (='.'=) meow
>Hi there, I was extremely shocked when I read your post. I am really glad you are having such a good result from effexor. I was on it over a year and I had a completely difference experience. I am not saying it didn't work. I think it worked to well. I didn't feel anything after awhile. No depression,sadness, happiness, ambition and especially not a sex drive. Oh, I also gained weight. I was on if for a year and a half. I was on 200mg. My pdoc put me on wellbutrtin along with the effexor when I complained of being to tired to do anything. It helped a bit, but I didn't feel better til I started to withdraw from effexor. I am on 400mg of wellbutrin now and off the effexor and I have gotten my life back!!!
Again, It's nice to hear that someone is having a positive experience from effexor. I would be interested in hearing if it continues.
Good Luck,Renee
Posted by jannbeau on August 27, 2002, at 13:19:26
In reply to Re: Love Effexor!!!, posted by gatitapurrrrrs on August 27, 2002, at 12:46:29
>Hello, Mr_Chicago:
I also wish you well with Effexor. Let me preface this post with the fact that I, like you, am just another participant in this bulletin board. I am not a physician and I don't claim to be an expert on this or any other medication. I am not writing to be "negative" but to pass on some info that I've read here and other places on the web and in print, including the manufacturer's own literature. I feel compelled to add following comments to Gittapurr's post below: 1) You may NOT lose weight with Effexor; you may actually gain weight or your weight may not change. 2)Your libido/sexual function may not be enhanced with Effexor; in fact, you could experience negative sexual side effects such as reduced libido or delayed ejaculation. Again, some people notice no differences in sexuality while others complain of negative side effects and still others, as with Gittapurrs, below, report enhancement. I would urge you to check other sources of information for efficacy and side effects of this medication, including, but not limited to, the physicians' package insert (not the patients' insert), the manufacturer's website, the FDA, other bulletin boards, to mention but a few resources. You might also wish to know that people report having difficulty stopping this medication and that they suffer what is referred to as "discontinuation syndrome"--not a permanent effect and not bad for many (I had little trouble stopping Effexor--slowly tapered from 150 mg/day to 0 mg/day).
Again, I don't mean to be a doomsayer, only to ad balance.
Cheers and good luck to you,
jannbeauHi Mr_Chicago!
>
> I just wanted to wish you luck and give you my support in these "changing" times
>
> I can tell you a thing or two about Effexor and I hope you will like it!
>
> One of the side effects of Effexor is lack of appetite, I literally had to force myself to eat since I lost 15 lbs during the first two months of treatment. This medication will do wonders for you as it did for me. Take it day by day and have faith. There is not one day in my life since I started taking it, I have not thanked God and blessed the people who created this medication. Effexor is a treatment and although they say it will probably take a few weeks to feel the effects, I can assure you I did feel the difference within 3-4 days. I have reached my perfect dose and had been taking 225mg for the past 6 months. You will start, as you already know, little by little. You will also have to let your doctor know if you aren't feeling well or start feeling depressed without no reason. Another important point is, your blood pressure has to be monitored in case you suffer from high blood pressure. We all have our sad days and that is perfectly normal, but you will KNOW when you are not yourself again. The doctor will give you a larger dose and this can happen a few times until you reach your ideal dose. Another thing I will tell you is, your sexual appetite will NOT be affected at all, on the contrary, you will find yourself a little frisky! Please feel free to contact me whenever you like.
> I also noticed you have a yahoo account. I have Yahoo messenger and we can chat online or even see me cause I have a web cam!!! Feel free to add me as a friend in case you have it as well.
> Wish you a wonderful and happy day!
>
> Gatitapurrrrrs (='.'=) meow
>
>
>
Posted by gillian on August 27, 2002, at 13:22:15
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
>I was diagnosed with "Free floating anxiety" and panic attacks - which to my horror seemed to occur for no apparent reason. I was put on Effexor XL (UK version) and found it made a marked difference....the intial side effects were not much fun ie body tingles, loss of concentration, nervousness and weakness but after a couple of weeks these wore off and I really felt things getting back to normal. I feel however lifestyle change is required alongside medical intervention. I found both aromatherapy and Bach Flower remedies effective..and most importantly making time for myself to relax...in this day and age it seems impossible to take time for yourself but SO important in helping with a healthy mind.
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