Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 115733

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Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs)

Posted by Jackd on August 8, 2002, at 19:44:03

Is this a safe combo? I've read all the warnings about MAOIs and alcohol, and I have been able so far to avoid even a drop. I was just thinking though, Vodka is distilled and should have little trace of any fermentation byproducts. Have any big drinkers out there tried having some vodka on an MAOI? There shouldn't be any interaction between pure Ethanol and MAOIs...

P.S. I don't just mean one or two ounces worth either.

 

Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs) » Jackd

Posted by LLL on August 8, 2002, at 22:56:26

In reply to Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs), posted by Jackd on August 8, 2002, at 19:44:03

Gin, Vodka and "other clear spirits" are considered safe in moderation. I've had vodka on Parnate in the past, however no more than one drink - I'm not a drinker. This time around however, I'm abstaining altogether. Once you have a hypertensive crisis you become more cautious.

 

Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs) - LLL

Posted by cybercafe on August 9, 2002, at 0:16:47

In reply to Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs) » Jackd, posted by LLL on August 8, 2002, at 22:56:26

What caused your hypertensive crisis Lisa?

 

More Food Questions for MAOI veterans

Posted by Jackd on August 9, 2002, at 3:17:02

In reply to Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs) » Jackd, posted by LLL on August 8, 2002, at 22:56:26

Thanks LLL. I was also hoping maybe someone who drank a little more could share their experience (I need to drink a lot to get "buzzed" as I'm 220lbs).

By the way, what was it like having the hypertensive crisis? I'm wondering cause I want to know the warning signs. Does your heart rate and blood pressure necessarily rise before you get the migraine? Does it happen immediately after eating the problematic food?

Also, to any other MAOI people, I have a few specific food questions (i have tried to read up on as many posts as I can):

Is smoked salmon ok? (I assume not)
Is canned unsmolked salted salmon ok?
Are hot dogs ok?
Is Kraft Macoroni and Cheese ok?
Are Nestle Crunch bars ok (they have soybean oil and chocolate and whey extract)?
How about tapioca pudding?
Sardines? (I've read these are no good, but they would seem fine otherwise and I adore them)

Thanks again guys.

 

Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs) - LLL » cybercafe

Posted by LLL on August 9, 2002, at 9:00:19

In reply to Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs) - LLL, posted by cybercafe on August 9, 2002, at 0:16:47

What caused your hypertensive crisis Lisa?
>A half of Teriaki chicken breast at a local small country club restaurant while entertaining out of town guests! For all I know the chicken could have been sitting in the fridge marinating in soy sauce for a couple of days. This is why I now find eating out to be so unpleasant - you never know what you're getting.

 

Re: More Food Questions for MAOI veterans » Jackd

Posted by LLL on August 9, 2002, at 9:13:18

In reply to More Food Questions for MAOI veterans, posted by Jackd on August 9, 2002, at 3:17:02

Thanks LLL. I was also hoping maybe someone who drank a little more could share their experience (I need to drink a lot to get "buzzed" as I'm 220lbs).
>I highly recommend you give up your desire to catch a buzz, I believe you may be putting yourself in jeopardy plus decreasing the effectiveness of the antidepressant. But, I may be wrong and would also like to hear others experiences.

By the way, what was it like having the hypertensive crisis? I'm wondering cause I want to know the warning signs. Does your heart rate and blood pressure necessarily rise before you get the migraine? Does it happen immediately after eating the problematic food?
>For me it took about 30-40 minutes and it was a sudden very, very, very, very intense throbbing migraine like nothing I had ever experienced. But then I freaked which I'm sure made it all worse. I had EMT take me via ambulance to the hospital - very unpleasant, embarrasing and humiliating experience. There are past posts on "hypertensive crisis" I think you'll find helpful.

Also, to any other MAOI people, I have a few specific food questions (i have tried to read up on as many posts as I can):

Is smoked salmon ok? (I assume not) >NO!
Is canned unsmolked salted salmon ok?>YES, just made breaded fried salmon cakes.
Are hot dogs ok?> no cured, smoked meat
Is Kraft Macoroni and Cheese ok? YES, read the MAOI short list on this site
Are Nestle Crunch bars ok (they have soybean oil and chocolate and whey extract)?>eat chocolate in moderation
How about tapioca pudding?>YES
Sardines? (I've read these are no good, but they would seem fine otherwise and I adore them)>Don't know

this article may be of help, I may have posted it already:
http://www.vh.org/Providers/Conferences/CPS/19.html

Thanks again guys.
>Good Luck!

 

Re: More Food Questions for MAOI veterans

Posted by Jackd on August 9, 2002, at 13:18:52

In reply to Re: More Food Questions for MAOI veterans » Jackd, posted by LLL on August 9, 2002, at 9:13:18

Much obliged Lisa.

I ate a hotdog yesterday and felt fine. From now on though, I'm going to punt those suckers as far as I can. Or maybe just axe kick them fiercely. Cyber, you know what I'm talkin about.

By the way Cyber, my friend is a kung fu instructor and his Seafoo is going to Brazil in a few weeks to be trained by Horace Gracie himself. I couldn't believe it.

 

Re: More Food Questions for MAOI veterans

Posted by cybercafe on August 10, 2002, at 5:14:32

In reply to Re: More Food Questions for MAOI veterans, posted by Jackd on August 9, 2002, at 13:18:52

> I ate a hotdog yesterday and felt fine. From now on though, I'm going to punt those suckers as far as I can. Or maybe just axe kick them fiercely. Cyber, you know what I'm talkin about.

axe kicks are against my religion -- now descending thai knees: they're ok


> By the way Cyber, my friend is a kung fu instructor and his Seafoo is going to Brazil in a few weeks to be trained by Horace Gracie himself. I couldn't believe it.

Mmmmm Seafoo ...

a lot of my friends go to Brasil... supposedly they train you until you vomit on the mat, no joke

i think a lot of the gracies are in NY and LA so no need to go to brasil

 

Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs)

Posted by rjk on August 11, 2002, at 9:42:36

In reply to Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs), posted by Jackd on August 8, 2002, at 19:44:03

> Is this a safe combo? I've read all the warnings about MAOIs and alcohol, and I have been able so far to avoid even a drop. I was just thinking though, Vodka is distilled and should have little trace of any fermentation byproducts. Have any big drinkers out there tried having some vodka on an MAOI? There shouldn't be any interaction between pure Ethanol and MAOIs...
>
> P.S. I don't just mean one or two ounces worth either.

This site is very reliable when it comes to alcohol and MAOIs.

http://www.nmhct.nhs.uk/pharmacy/depr5.htm

 

Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs)

Posted by missliz on August 13, 2002, at 2:41:25

In reply to Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs), posted by rjk on August 11, 2002, at 9:42:36

Your liver has only so much operating capacity; It can run your meds or proccess a drunk. You don't get both.
After a certain young age (27?) our livers can't regenerate at the rate they did, and you wake up in the morning after a long night with holes through it- literally. This comes from Covert Bailey on his TV show on PBS. Half the brutal exhaustion of a middle aged hangover is your liver putting itself to rights. With the extra workload of meds, you're screwed. Hence the no alchohol party line.
Lot of us guzzle the occasional glass of wine, and I must admit to an occasional longing for martinis myself. Vodka binge though? Bad Idea. It isn't a few flavors that will through your brain into chaos but the ethanol itself. If you need to throw a drunk, look at why? Lot's of us are former drunkards who were self medicating. Hmmm? Maybe? A med adjustment is easier. Do you use a mood atabilizer?
Remember too that alchohol on meds is just an awful mess to experience; It won't be the fun time it was before meds.
The other good reason to get sh**faced is to blow off a lot of steam. There are other ways. The coffee houses are full of us, the running clubs abound with us, I like to mountain bike screaming for the endorphins. A Coca Cola and a Xanax on occasion wil do it. Same effect, safer drug.
You weren't planning any melodrama were you? I tried to kill myself with a couple of bottles of vodka one day and I'd advise you to just talk to your shrink about it. No gesture is worth that horror. God that was gruesome. Got locked up for it. Was sick for days, even without the witch doctoring.
So why do you need to get soused? It really isn't an option and you need to find other things to do. Try to figure out what you really need out of a bottle, because almost dying sucks. Change is easier than you think.

Miss Liz

 

Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs)

Posted by cybercafe on August 13, 2002, at 7:22:48

In reply to Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs), posted by missliz on August 13, 2002, at 2:41:25

> Your liver has only so much operating capacity; It can run your meds or proccess a drunk. You don't get both.
> After a certain young age (27?) our livers can't regenerate at the rate they did, and you wake up in the morning after a long night with holes through it- literally. This comes from Covert Bailey on his TV show on PBS. Half the brutal exhaustion of a middle aged hangover is your liver putting itself to rights. With the extra workload of meds, you're screwed. Hence the no alchohol party line.
> Lot of us guzzle the occasional glass of wine, and I must admit to an occasional longing for martinis myself. Vodka binge though? Bad Idea. It isn't a few flavors that will through your brain into chaos but the ethanol itself. If you need to throw a drunk, look at why? Lot's of us are former drunkards who were self medicating. Hmmm? Maybe? A med adjustment is easier. Do you use a mood atabilizer?
> Remember too that alchohol on meds is just an awful mess to experience; It won't be the fun time it was before meds.
> The other good reason to get sh**faced is to blow off a lot of steam. There are other ways. The coffee houses are full of us, the running clubs abound with us, I like to mountain bike screaming for the endorphins. A Coca Cola and a Xanax on occasion wil do it. Same effect, safer drug.
> You weren't planning any melodrama were you? I tried to kill myself with a couple of bottles of vodka one day and I'd advise you to just talk to your shrink about it. No gesture is worth that horror. God that was gruesome. Got locked up for it. Was sick for days, even without the witch doctoring.
> So why do you need to get soused? It really isn't an option and you need to find other things to do. Try to figure out what you really need out of a bottle, because almost dying sucks. Change is easier than you think.
>
> Miss Liz

working your a** off to try to get to normal really makes you appreciate good health eh??

hard to understand how people better off than you can take the good thing they have and just blow it

but i don't think jackd is doing too bad.... just anxiety?? ... and it's normal for well people to take life less seriously... it's part of being sane -- not worrying about things..

don't get me wrong though... my doc says alcohol would set me back minimum 3 days and i wouldn't want another three days of this hell ... so i am totally 100% behind you miss liz

 

Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs)

Posted by Jackd on August 13, 2002, at 23:21:16

In reply to Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs), posted by missliz on August 13, 2002, at 2:41:25

Thanks for all the advice Miss Liz. Alcohol has always been my escape, my last line of defense against losing heart and composure. It dulls the pain just enough for me to stay together. I know it can be counterproductive and dangerous on meds.

Also I do try my best to find other avenues of relief; like you said excersise is great and I'm a fanatic. All else aside though, sometimes booze just seems to be the only thing keeping me from losing it.

Anyway, thanks again that was a great post. It wasn't really that I was looking to get drunk, more that I don't like the idea that I can't (if that makes sense).

Oh by the way I'm 21, so when I can't drink or party I feel like I'm giving up a part of my "prime"; the part of everyone's lives when we need to get everything out of our systems, without which we risk living with regret.

 

Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs)

Posted by jsarirose on August 14, 2002, at 0:19:54

In reply to Re: Vodka and Parnate (MAOIs), posted by Jackd on August 13, 2002, at 23:21:16

Okay - once again I've been lax in my Psycho-Babble reading. Here's my take on some of the above:

hot dogs - they're fine if they aren't smoked. There isn't anything inherently disallowable about them, just make sure they aren't smoked or aged.

Sardines - I'd be very, very careful. Often the canned sardines, clams, oysters, etc. are smoked. I had my first hypertensive crisis from some smoked clams in stew.

Vodka & Parnate - while I'm not much of a drinker, I have to admit I did get pretty soused on vodka one night with no ill effect. The same with rum (not on the same night). I'm not too concerned with the interaction with the clear alcohols. I even had about 6 shots of Bourbon with no effect too. I'd be more careful with the aged boozes like Bourbon and Scotch though.

Now - having said that about alcohol, I also agree with the others that it is a depressant and not very good for any of us. I very occasionally indulge.

-Jessica (10 months on Parnate, up to 100mg)


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