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Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by Jackd on July 29, 2002, at 10:30:01

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by cybercafe on July 29, 2002, at 2:09:56

> hmmm.. what does sensory input overload feel like?

Confusion, being overwhelmed.

> yeah? ... when i was in school i used to have my hearing checked every year -- and it always came out great -- because the teachers thought i couldn't hear them...

Funny you mention that. I had major audial comprehension problems until I started treating my ADD.


> hmmm... i thought that if non-understimulated people took ritalin they would just feel agitated and anxious (get the bad side effects) no?
>
> otherwise how do you know if you are taking enough?
>

Well, yeh, you're right, they do feel agitated and anxious. But often a bit euphoric and aroused too.


> ... thanks for answering my questions dude...

Likewise man.

> btw... do the effects of ritalin wear off, do you have to keep increasing the dose?

I think most peope with serious understimulation are very sensitive to stimulants. And that's a big defining factor. My friends can pop like five of my 5 mg ritalins and feel like they did some weak coke, but I think I would have a seizure. Anyway no, I have never had to up the dose or lose any effect, and it does increase any underlying anxiety a lot.

> cheers
>

 

Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 29, 2002, at 11:12:30

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by cybercafe on July 29, 2002, at 1:19:09

> My psychiatrist DID order me! ... and i'm glad he did... okay it also helped that you thought it was a good idea as well. I remember asking to try moclobemide etc first, but he thought they just weren't powerful enough....


Psychiatrists in the USA cant "order" patients to take any drug. Thats illegal here. In Canada, I suppose it might be different. If so, thats sad.

> ....it's not just the sedation... klonopin has affinity for serotonin receptors... and that definately helps with withdrawal... (i got off 225 effexor in less than 2 weeks)

Klonopin has affinity for serotonin receptors? HUH? Where did you hear that? I always understood Klonopin, like all benzos worked more on GABA. Klonopin is a depressant drug and therefore would be more likely to decrease serotonin levels than increase serotonin levels.


>
> ... you didn't need the klonopin the first time you went on parnate right? ... was it that one h-crisis that really scared you? (i've never had one)


LOL I could have used some klonopin the first time I tried Parnate. But didnt think about asking for it.

>
>
> ... what was it that finally convinced you ECT was safe? ... i can't help but be afraid of the risks associated with the unknown, especially since you rarely ever hear people talking about ECT on the boards...
> .. can't ECT cause some minor cognitive problems?

What convinced me it was safe was talking to others offline who have actually had ECT. And talking to my psychiatrists about it. And even my family doctor strongly recommended it. My family doctor raves about ECT and thinks its the best thing for severe depression since sliced bread. And he has absolutely nothing to financially gain from ECT and is not in the mental health field. Also, I read stuff on the Internet (credible stuff, not crap anti-ECT websites) and realized there are some very basic differences between "old" style ECT and the modern, current version of it.

IN the old version of ECT, when it developed its evil reputation, patients were not artificially oxygenated and tended to hold their breath for minutes at a time during the seizure. Many of them their face would turn blue from oxygen deprivation. Anyone who has had Red Cross first aid and CPR training or has taken an EMT course knows that brain damage begins to occur after youve stopped breathing for two minutes or more. Four minutes without breathing and you die. Well with ECT, many patients didnt breath during the seizure for two minutes or more. No wonder so many of them complained of severe memory problems and claimed they were "never the same." I dont dispute their claims.

However with the modern form of ECT, all of your bodily functions are closely monitored via machines and you are artificially oxygenated. Unlike the old form of ECT. The anesthesiologist makes sure your blood oxygen levels do not drop too low, thus ensuring there is a constant supply of oxygen to your brain even during the grand mal seizure. This prevents the oxygen deprivation induced brain damage which occurred in the primitive forms of ECT used in the forties, fifties and sixties and prevents excessively severe memory loss.

Reading about ECT convinced me the modern form of it, providing it is done correctly and you are properly oxygenated is safe. Definitely safer than MAOIs. Even though Im on Parnate, I still view ECT as medically safer than MAOI therapy.

 

Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by cybercafe on July 29, 2002, at 13:02:21

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by Jackd on July 29, 2002, at 10:30:01

> Funny you mention that. I had major audial comprehension problems until I started treating my ADD.

Yeah! people would always comment on how awesome my language skills (french for example) were when it came to reading/writing ... my speaking skills were mediocre ....
but i totally could not follow when people would
speak....

> I think most peope with serious understimulation are very sensitive to stimulants. And that's a big defining factor.

that really clears things up for me --- when i have some caffeine i definately get a noticable effect... whereas other people just don't seem effected at all

 

JackD ADD question

Posted by cybercafe on July 29, 2002, at 13:11:58

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by Jackd on July 29, 2002, at 10:30:01


hey dude i'm curious... what is it like trying to hold down a job with and without ADD medication?

... cuz unlike my friends i totally found school 100 times easier than work.... as i could always skip classes or socialize when i wanted... but at work i felt like i couldn't sit still... or the work just wasn't interesting etc etc

cheers -- you have your thread back, i hope you're happy :)

 

Re: what the heck is a MAOI?

Posted by RonJohn on July 29, 2002, at 19:27:53

In reply to Re: what the heck is a MAOI? RonJohn, posted by Phil on July 29, 2002, at 6:48:49

Thanks for the info Phil on MAOI's

RonJohn

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! klonopin!!!

Posted by ross on July 29, 2002, at 22:11:33

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 29, 2002, at 11:12:30

klonopin has no affinty for any serotonin recepters. where did you hear that one???
it works on gaba and is a depressant. klonopin is one of the only benzo's that cause depression.

 

Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by cybercafe on July 29, 2002, at 22:25:44

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 29, 2002, at 11:12:30

> Psychiatrists in the USA cant "order" patients to take any drug. Thats illegal here. In Canada, I suppose it might be different. If so, thats sad.

Okay there was no court order or anything. I just didn't get the feeling I was going to get any other med out of him. And for a person with "Real Depression", taking no med is much worse than a fatal heart attack.

> Klonopin has affinity for serotonin receptors? HUH? Where did you hear that? I always understood Klonopin, like all benzos worked more on GABA. Klonopin is a depressant drug and therefore would be more likely to decrease serotonin levels than increase serotonin levels.

You are totally right -- klonopin does work more on GABA. But it also works on serotonin receptors, to a lesser degree. This is why it helps with migraine, SSRI withdrawal, etc etc..
It definately causes sedation, but is it purely depressant? I know it is supposed to be more of a mood stabilizer, whereas other benzos are considered pure depressants...

because of it's sedation, i would not consider it an antidepressant i would be willing to take for anything other than a washout period ...


> LOL I could have used some klonopin the first time I tried Parnate. But didnt think about asking for it.

really i thought you were cool with parnate the first time you took it... i mean you were so relaxed you went right for the macaroni and cheese! ... whereas now, the more concerned lostboy, i'm sure, would never think about touching the stuff

> What convinced me it was safe was talking to others offline who have actually had ECT. And

where did you meet other patients in Real Life (tm) .... i find most non-internet savy patients to be lacking self-awareness and aggressiveness...

> IN the old version of ECT, when it developed its evil reputation, patients were not artificially oxygenated and tended to hold their breath for minutes at a time during the seizure.

... yeah my father is very seriously fucked up... i mean ultraradian type I bipolar (cycles several times a day) ... narcissistic aggressive intermittant explosive rage several times a day... but he would never consider getting help because when he had ECT they didn't bother to wait for the anaesthetic to take effect... and apparently being awake and not being able to breathe for 2 min is quite horrible... i'm like "dude, why don't you take lamictal or valporate instead of your 1960s antipsychotic, which doesn't work well and has major side effects" but he is terrified of letting his doc have even the slightest hint their might be a problem in case he ends up getting ECT again....

> However with the modern form of ECT, all of your bodily functions are closely monitored via machines and you are artificially oxygenated.

didn't they have that technology in the 60s?

>of oxygen to your brain even during the grand mal seizure. This prevents the oxygen deprivation induced brain damage which occurred in the primitive forms of ECT used in the forties,

hmmmmm... do epileptics stop breathing when they have seizures too?

> Reading about ECT convinced me the modern form of it, providing it is done correctly and you are properly oxygenated is safe. Definitely safer than MAOIs. Even though Im on Parnate, I still view ECT as medically safer than MAOI therapy.

hey if other people go without oxygen for minutes and still come out alright i'm sure we'd do alright...

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! klonopin!!!

Posted by cybercafe on July 29, 2002, at 22:27:45

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! klonopin!!!, posted by ross on July 29, 2002, at 22:11:33

> klonopin has no affinty for any serotonin recepters. where did you hear that one???
> it works on gaba and is a depressant. klonopin is one of the only benzo's that cause depression.

.... my doc is one of the best around and he is quite certain it has some affinity for serotonin receptors...

... he recommended i take it for effexor withdrawal, and i can assure you that the benefits i received where neither from sedation nor from placebo :)

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! LostBoyinNC1

Posted by Bob on July 29, 2002, at 22:39:02

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 29, 2002, at 11:12:30


>
> Reading about ECT convinced me the modern form of it, providing it is done correctly and you are properly oxygenated is safe. Definitely safer than MAOIs. Even though Im on Parnate, I still view ECT as medically safer than MAOI therapy.
>

If ECT is so safe, then why is the medical establishment not advocating ECT right of the bat for many patients and forgoing drugs altogether. Why can't people just get ECT treatments at regular intervals for the rest of their lives and forget about drugs? Seems like that would be a viable option if the treatment was that safe, but I just don't hear about it being done.

Why are you taking an MAOI, if you believe ECT is a better option?

 

Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 29, 2002, at 23:25:15

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by cybercafe on July 29, 2002, at 22:25:44

>
> > What convinced me it was safe was talking to others offline who have actually had ECT. And
>
> where did you meet other patients in Real Life (tm) .... i find most non-internet savy patients to be lacking self-awareness and aggressiveness...

Different places. An offline real world support group I go to sometimes. Met a few people there who had ECT. I know a woman here in NC who had it three times and recently met her offline and she didnt seem fucked up at all. Not one bit. She seemed very together mentally and like I said, she had ECT three times. And she had it back in the sixties, even though she did admit to me she has huge memory blocks from the sixties era ECT's. She also saw people getting insulin shock treatment in the sixties when she was getting ECT. Scary.

Finally, I met some people at Duke psychiatry who had it. Some of them return once a month to get shocked outpatient for maintence and swear by it. Of course Duke has one of the best ECT units in North America.

>
> > IN the old version of ECT, when it developed its evil reputation, patients were not artificially oxygenated and tended to hold their breath for minutes at a time during the seizure.
>
> ... yeah my father is very seriously fucked up... i mean ultraradian type I bipolar (cycles several times a day) ... narcissistic aggressive intermittant explosive rage several times a day... but he would never consider getting help because when he had ECT they didn't bother to wait for the anaesthetic to take effect... and apparently being awake and not being able to breathe for 2 min is quite horrible... i'm like "dude, why don't you take lamictal or valporate instead of your 1960s antipsychotic, which doesn't work well and has major side effects" but he is terrified of letting his doc have even the slightest hint their might be a problem in case he ends up getting ECT again....
>
> > However with the modern form of ECT, all of your bodily functions are closely monitored via machines and you are artificially oxygenated.
>
> didn't they have that technology in the 60s?

nah, they didnt have shit in the sixties. They didnt know MAOIs could cause hypertensive crisises back then. They didnt even have an MAOI diet back then. They were still doing lobotomies and insulin shock in the sixties and still believed in Freud. Back then if you got depression or schizophrenia they thought it was cause you were raised shitty and blamed it on you and your family...Freud crap. Back then nobody gave a flying fuck about the mentally ill. They were still using ECT back in the sixties for "behavioral control" and didnt restrict its use for just severe mood disorders like they do now.

Torrey Fuller was the guy who came up with the idea that schizophrenia is a brain disease in the early seventies. And that was the beginning of the end of the Freudians, thank God.

>
> >of oxygen to your brain even during the grand mal seizure. This prevents the oxygen deprivation induced brain damage which occurred in the primitive forms of ECT used in the forties,
>
> hmmmmm... do epileptics stop breathing when they have seizures too?

I dont know the answer to that question.

>
> > Reading about ECT convinced me the modern form of it, providing it is done correctly and you are properly oxygenated is safe. Definitely safer than MAOIs. Even though Im on Parnate, I still view ECT as medically safer than MAOI therapy.
>
> hey if other people go without oxygen for minutes and still come out alright i'm sure we'd do alright...
>

yeah, but you dont want to hold your breath more than a minute. I feel uncomfortable as hell holding my breath thirty seconds. Two minutes and you get brain damage. Trust me, one of the most important things in safe, successful ECT is being properly oxygenated the entire time.

 

Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 29, 2002, at 23:32:23

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! LostBoyinNC1, posted by Bob on July 29, 2002, at 22:39:02

>
> >
> > Reading about ECT convinced me the modern form of it, providing it is done correctly and you are properly oxygenated is safe. Definitely safer than MAOIs. Even though Im on Parnate, I still view ECT as medically safer than MAOI therapy.
> >
>
> If ECT is so safe, then why is the medical establishment not advocating ECT right of the bat for many patients and forgoing drugs altogether. Why can't people just get ECT treatments at regular intervals for the rest of their lives and forget about drugs? Seems like that would be a viable option if the treatment was that safe, but I just don't hear about it being done.

Well, honestly a lot of the medical establishment is terrified of ECT just like the general public is. Just like you are terrified of it. I have known psychiatrits who acted scared of it. Most psychiatrists dont do ECT, probably some of that is cause they are chickenshit. Its probably too medical, too involved for a lot of psychiatists. And actually, my family doctor...totally nonconnected in anyway to the mental health field or ECT, he raves about ECT. He told me the reason its not used as a first or second line treatment for depression is mainly stigma. Basically you cant talk people into it cause they are scared of it. They watched One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest and thats it...no ECT for them ever.

>
> Why are you taking an MAOI, if you believe ECT is a better option?

Well I actually wanted ECT two months ago but my Pdoc specifically said he thought I had a better chance of responding to an MAOI cause he says I have an "atypical depression." Whatever that is. But trust me, if the Parnate does not pan out I will be getting ECT done.
>
>

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king ross

Posted by vince on July 29, 2002, at 23:41:13

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king, posted by ross on July 28, 2002, at 23:22:53

>...i am a bodybuilder also. it will take some time and i mean about a good month or more to adjust to the MAO. some people just do not get the side effects and some do. if you take Nardil your BP is going to drop in the beg of treatment. as for protein do not and i say do not use any WHEY isolates or ION exchange whey. dont use any protein powders or bars period. they contain alot of tyramine and will definatly send you into a hypertensive crisis. i know it sucks because its so needed to grow fast but protein powders are out.
> the diet is very easy as long as you are careful.
> ...
> good luck and ask me any questions
> ross

Do you think it would be a bad idea to go on a low carb diet as long as you don't use protien powders, aged cheeze & meats ?

Vince

 

Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by ayrity on July 30, 2002, at 0:37:32

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 29, 2002, at 23:32:23

> Well I actually wanted ECT two months ago but my Pdoc specifically said he thought I had a better chance of responding to an MAOI cause he says I have an "atypical depression." Whatever that is. But trust me, if the Parnate does not pan out I will be getting ECT done.
> >

Hi:
I have atypical depression, too. People with atypical depression have some charateristic symptoms (which can vary from person to person: such as hypersomnia (definitely me); fatigue (extreme for me); a weighty feeling called "leaden paralysis" (yup, got that); eating alot; mood reactivity (a big part of the definition; the ability to experience moments of enjoyment and non-depression however brief). I'm sure I'm missing some things. You might want to check out this link, which has some good articles on atypical depression, and depression in general:

http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.html

 

Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by cybercafe on July 30, 2002, at 0:38:55

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 29, 2002, at 23:25:15

>and your family...Freud crap. Back then nobody gave a flying fuck about the mentally ill. They

... was it just within the psychiatric community that no one cared about the mentally ill, or within all of society as a whole?

>idea that schizophrenia is a brain disease in the early seventies. And that was the beginning

yeah people are kind of stupid... or ... over-stimulated to the point where they're not interested in thinking.... and completely lacking self-awareness...

... i still cannot believe that people do not believe in .... or even consider... determinism...

... you'd think you could pull out an IQ test with a score above 150 and say "guess what, i'm smarter than you, so maybe you could temporarily open your mind to the possibility that you don't know everything" ....

... but ultimately it becomes easier to reply to "depression is a weakness" with "oh yeah? and what about a concussion?" ... Ha! it's all in your head mate

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king

Posted by cybercafe on July 30, 2002, at 0:40:52

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king ross, posted by vince on July 29, 2002, at 23:41:13

> Do you think it would be a bad idea to go on a low carb diet as long as you don't use protien powders, aged cheeze & meats ?

... don't see how it could hurt you... except by cutting out essential foodstuffs

 

Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by cybercafe on July 30, 2002, at 0:42:56

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by ayrity on July 30, 2002, at 0:37:32

called "leaden paralysis" (yup, got that); eating

i could never figure out exactly what leaden paralysis is... "heavy limbs", what does that feel like? ... i consider mine.. my desire not to move my limbs... more because of a lack of energy in general.... i suppose leaden paralysis means you feel you have lots of energy, for everything except moving your limbs?

 

Re: MAOI Wowie!

Posted by ayrity on July 30, 2002, at 1:21:55

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by cybercafe on July 30, 2002, at 0:42:56

> i could never figure out exactly what leaden paralysis is... "heavy limbs", what does that feel like? ...

It's not heavy limbs. For me, it's a feeling of extreme fatigue coupled with the uncomfortable feeling of pressure or a heavy weight at the back of my head, neck and shoulders. Some days I feel like I'm literally dragging my self around, like I'm moving through molasses or something slowing me down, that something is physically pressing down upon me. It's not just mood, it's a very physical and tangible feeling. This weighty feeling is just about the only thing that has improved since starting Parnate (though the overall fatigue is not much better, just less "weighty" if that makes sense).

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! klonopin!!!

Posted by Jackd on July 30, 2002, at 12:33:46

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! klonopin!!!, posted by cybercafe on July 29, 2002, at 22:27:45

"Antimyoclonic action of clonazepam: the role of serotonin.

Chung Hwang E, Van Woert MH.

Clonazepam (5-(2-chlorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-7-nitro 2H-1,4 benzodiazepin-2-one) (2 mg/kg) reduced a p,p'-DDT-induced myoclonus in mice by 50%. This antimyoclonic action of clonazepam was counteracted by the serotonin (5-HT) receptor blockers methysergide, metergoline and cinnanserin and potentiated by the 5-HT uptake inhibitors fluoxetine and chlorimipramine. Clonazepam (4 mg/kg) reduced plasma tryptophan by 27%, but had no effect on brain tryptopham, 5-HT, 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid, 5-HT synthesis and 3H-5-HT receptor binding. Clonazepam (10(-5) M) inhibited brain synaptosomal 3H-5-HT uptake by 23% and increased 3H-5-HT release by 24%. However, 2-8 mg/kg of clonazepam administered intraperitoneally had no effect on 5-HT uptake or release. gamma-Aminobutyric acid (GABA) agonists (muscimol, acetylenic GABA, amino-oxyacetic acid) and the GABA antagonists bicuculline and isoniazid had no effect on p,p'-DDT-induced myoclonus. Furthermore, bicuculline did not counteract the antimyoclonic effect of clonazepam. We suggest that the antimyoclonic action of clonazepam is mediated by enhancement of serotonergic rather than GABAergic neurotransmission."

PMID: 520416 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Re: blocked for 4 weeks LostBoyinNC1

Posted by Dr. Bob on July 31, 2002, at 8:23:39

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 29, 2002, at 23:32:23

> I know a woman here in NC who had it three times and recently met her offline and she didnt seem fucked up at all.
>
> they didnt have shit in the sixties.

> a lot of the medical establishment is terrified of ECT just like the general public is. Just like you are terrified of it.

Please don't use language that could offend others. Or jump to conclusions about others.

Bob

PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration, thanks.

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king

Posted by Mickapoo on January 10, 2009, at 14:15:13

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king, posted by ross on July 28, 2002, at 23:22:53

>...as for protein do not and i say do not use >any WHEY isolates or ION exchange whey. dont use >any protein powders or bars period. they contain >alot of tyramine and will definatly send you >into a hypertensive crisis. i know it sucks >because its so needed to grow fast but protein >powders are out.
....................................................

I'm not sure if because this is an old post this is outdated information, but I have protein shakes daily, and haven't had any negative effects whatsoever. I know this post is old, but if someone searches and finds this post, I just wanted to put in another experience!

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king Mickapoo

Posted by Vincent_QC on January 13, 2009, at 5:56:40

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king, posted by Mickapoo on January 10, 2009, at 14:15:13

> >...as for protein do not and i say do not use >any WHEY isolates or ION exchange whey. dont use >any protein powders or bars period. they contain >alot of tyramine and will definatly send you >into a hypertensive crisis. i know it sucks >because its so needed to grow fast but protein >powders are out.
> ....................................................
>
> I'm not sure if because this is an old post this is outdated information, but I have protein shakes daily, and haven't had any negative effects whatsoever. I know this post is old, but if someone searches and finds this post, I just wanted to put in another experience!

Hi Mick !
Seem like an old post...Anyway, I have protein shakes everyday, the one with a booster in it "Six Star"...not because it's a good brand, but because it's often in discount at the drugstore...and I never had any hypertensive crisis...I use it for "diet" purpose (With Potassium supplements and salt to prevent low blood pressure...), I don't use them as a muscles growing...so I can have more than 100 grams of whey protein each day without any problems.

In fact, my blood pressure tend to be lower with protein shake. I also ask several professionnals about the question, all answer NO and don't eat whey protein with a maoi, but they was wrong...

So I think it's a "try" and see approach with the protein shake, since we are all made on the same model and our bodie react all differently...(Sorry for the english mistakes...).

I find the diet to be somewhat outdated and not very friendly... IS it suppose to make people more overstress or what?...

I respect the diet list just for the "cheese", the old ones, I eat tons of fresh mozzarella or cheedar without any problem at all. I never eat a "soup" at the restaurant since they add a lot of "suspect powder" inside like "Bovril" or everything with a false "meat" taste" inside...I avoid fava beans (DA increase), for the rest I eat all the others things on the list without any problems at all (coffee, chocolate, sausage, yogourt, sour cream...and the list goes on...).

I don't want a reply with a message saying that I play with my life please...I have my own blood pressure machine, I do a "TEST" for every item on the "avoid" list...and I tend to do only spontaneous hypertensives crisis not related to food, and just since i'm on the Parnate...on the Nardil I had a to LOW blood pressure and I never nad any hypertensive crisis from food on the Nardil, even spontaneous crisis...

So that's it...30mg/day Parnate...and last year 90mg/day Nardil without any problem at all for the food interraction.

That's only my point of view...I ask before the question here, it was one of my first post I think...because I didn't want to take any chance...but now that i'm more confident with the MAOI's in general and the fact that I have an "antidote" in a form of pill (Nefipedine), I think that I can do my own experiences and do my proper list of food to avoid.

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king

Posted by Cseagraves on January 13, 2009, at 19:29:15

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king Mickapoo, posted by Vincent_QC on January 13, 2009, at 5:56:40

I just wanted to comment on this. I think you just need to read the labels on some whey proteins. Some inlcude amino acids in their formulas and some don't. I guess if they include the amino tyrosine, which seems to be the problem with our bodies converting to tyramine, then you might want to avoid them if you are taking parnate.

Just my thought!

Courtney

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king Cseagraves

Posted by sissy35 on January 13, 2009, at 19:50:08

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king, posted by Cseagraves on January 13, 2009, at 19:29:15

I would like to add one little warning. I was on nardil for 20yrs so I do have a little experience. You can eat forbidden foods for a while and then bang it can affect you. I am unsure why this happens,but it does. So try to be careful.

Just looking out for you
Sissy35

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king Cseagraves

Posted by Mickapoo on January 14, 2009, at 22:14:23

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king, posted by Cseagraves on January 13, 2009, at 19:29:15

What about BCAA's - branch chain amino acids?

 

Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king

Posted by desolationrower on January 16, 2009, at 0:11:08

In reply to Re: MAOI Wowie! Nardil king, posted by Cseagraves on January 13, 2009, at 19:29:15

> I just wanted to comment on this. I think you just need to read the labels on some whey proteins. Some inlcude amino acids in their formulas and some don't. I guess if they include the amino tyrosine, which seems to be the problem with our bodies converting to tyramine, then you might want to avoid them if you are taking parnate.
>
> Just my thought!
>
> Courtney

It isn't the human body converting tyrosine to tyramine, it is bacteria doing it. if you don't have fermentingn processes like cheesmaking, the tyrosine doesn't get converted. tyrosine is a common amino acid, it is not itself something to avoid.

-d/r


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