Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 106385

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GHB vs ALCOHOL

Posted by geno on May 14, 2002, at 16:48:29

This is a subject that iv been reading up on. Im going to give you all some of my litature of what i read:

GHB and Alcohol are similar but different in many ways. They are both CNS depressants. GHB and alcohol both hit neurtransmitters seratonin, dopamine, gaba, acytylcoholine. GHB is metablolized by sussinic acid via Krebs cycle. THis is non toxic effect via kidneys liver. Alchol is metabolized by acytlhyde, a nerve irratant and very toxic to liver and kidneys.

GHB and alcohol both increase seratonin levels, ALTHOUGH alcohol depletes seratonin. GHB does not.

ALcohol releases dopamine in the brain, where ghb Suppresses dopamine temporarily, causing a buildup of dopamine, then is released when ghb wears off.

GHB and Alcohol both increase gaba. This is why both substances relax one and feel more social and less anxiety.

GHB increases acetylcholine in the brain, where alcohol deplete such, which is responsible for memeory and thinking.

GHB also releases a substance called oxytocin which is responsible for social states. Alcohol does not.

Alcohol causes depression, and due to the process which the body metablolized alchol, its a nerve irritant and lowering of seratonin, this is why people who are drunk want to fight, get aggressive and such. When a user is under the influence of ghb, there more happy, calm, peaceful, more effectionate, caring, almost like a love for life.

Both alcohol and ghb combined is a no no. Both decrease the respiratory system, and in large amounts can cause respiratory failure, cause ones gag reflexed to fail, and ending up choking on there own puke.

GHB has a very high dose response curve, meaning just a bit more of a dose, causes one to fall into a deep sleep, which is rem sleep. alcohol inhibits rem sleep and causes one to wake up unrefreashed, where a ghb user wakes up very alert and refreshed.

ghb will be a perscirbed drug soon called xyrem for narcolepsy/catypelepsy. people suffering from such illnesses, cannot achieve proper rem sleep, or stage 5 dream sleep. i noticed when i fall aleep from ghb, i dream very very vivid, moresoe nightmares, then wake up suddenly due to the dopamine rebound effect.

i feel ghb is not a good antidepressant due to the dopamine rebound effect, and a very short half life (30minutes) requiring repeated dosing.

also frequent use of ghb, causes too much dopamine to be stored and released, causing anxiety, panic, schizo like symtoms.

Though i feel ghb is very very usefull in people suffering from extreme depressed states where suicide is a factor, or acute panic attacks.

geno

 

Re: GHB vs ALCOHOL

Posted by jonh kimble on May 14, 2002, at 22:45:47

In reply to GHB vs ALCOHOL, posted by geno on May 14, 2002, at 16:48:29

yes, ive heard good things about ghb. i thought i even heard that it is naturally in the body. do you build up a tolerance to it? any chance a p doc would prescribe it as a sleep aid for a non narcoleptic? i have a terrible time falling asleep every night, and its so hard to get out of bed in the morning that i feel like absolutely nothing is more important than sleeping more. sounds like ghb could help with this.

jon

 

Re: GHB vs ALCOHOL

Posted by geno on May 15, 2002, at 15:33:35

In reply to Re: GHB vs ALCOHOL, posted by jonh kimble on May 14, 2002, at 22:45:47

Well, i use gbl, which turns to ghb in the body. Also gbl is legal in my state, but ghb is illegal. Florida its illegal, and some other states.
Anyway, yes there i beleive is .6ml of ghb in the body. Its naturally occurring, so when you consume ghb, it just raises the level. For sleep, if not abused, i will put you into a deep rem sleep, but only for like 4 hrs, and you will reawake, feeling quite refreshed, needing another dose or 2. I dont use g for sleep, only for power naps. I only get 1-2 hrs of 3ml of gbl.
No tolerance for me. The same amount hits me the same as it did 2 yrs ago, but you have to watch because you get very euphoric from it. this may cause you do dose up in the day night, and end up using 24.7 like i did for 2 yrs, and then your sleep will be all messed up.
Plus ghb is a schedule 1 drug, same as cocaine and heroin so careful on that. better off using gbl ordered via chemical company. small amounts say 250 500ml. Its a federal schedule chemical, but the feds wont bother anyone unless there purchasing more than 1 liter, because then it looks like you using it to sell or make ghb. DONT every order gbl and sodium hydroxide, then if your shipment get seized, they can bang you for intent to make ghb.

anyway, i feel g has some uses in pschiatry. Much safer than alot of medications.

have any questions feel free to ask. I call it the most natural mood enhancer.

geno

 

Re: GHB vs ALCOHOL.geno

Posted by skills on May 16, 2002, at 4:00:32

In reply to Re: GHB vs ALCOHOL, posted by geno on May 15, 2002, at 15:33:35

Sounds like the perfect remedy for my unceasing sleep trouble. the only way i get to sleep is using 2.5 mg of rohypnol. could i get ghl in the u.k.. thanks geno.

 

Re: GHB vs ALCOHOL.geno

Posted by geno on May 16, 2002, at 16:55:09

In reply to Re: GHB vs ALCOHOL.geno, posted by skills on May 16, 2002, at 4:00:32

Stay away from roofies. Now thats the original "date rape" drug. Now ghb is. Well i dont wanna get into that. Basically, its not the drug who rapes you. its the pervert behind it.
Anyway, GBL, can be ordered via chemical sites. I do not want to post anyof this on here. You can email me, but i dont wanna give out this info, gbl is illegal in the usa.
GBl puts you into deep rem sleep. BUT you wont sleep long. like 2 hrs or so. needing more when you reawake. Addiction could come on to, due to the euphoria it gives you.

Roofies, which is a benzo, does not improve rem sleep. it disturbes it. Try Remeron, or ambien for a good nights sleep.

geno

 

Re: GHB vs ALCOHOL.geno

Posted by djmmm on May 16, 2002, at 19:01:45

In reply to Re: GHB vs ALCOHOL.geno, posted by geno on May 16, 2002, at 16:55:09

I believe GHB is a metabolite of GABA...

Try searching for Tranquili-G, it contains 4-pentanolide (a legal precursor) which converts to 4-methyl-GHB.


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