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Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft BarbaraCat

Posted by oona on April 7, 2002, at 17:16:04

In reply to Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft oona, posted by BarbaraCat on March 29, 2002, at 1:14:41

Barbara,
Did I ever answere this?

" When you say institutionalized from 15 to 17, do you mean agewise, or that many years?"

It was when I was 15 1/2 to 17 1/2. Almost 2 years.

I was just reviewing these old posts about Zoloft withdrawal and I see more questions than I do answers.

Do you know if the Wellbutrin 150 SR does the same stuff that the Zoloft does??? I am not very knowledeable about Seratonin etc. SO are WB and Zoloft both for Anti depression or anxiety?

It has been almost 3 weks off the zoloft and I am still having symptoms and don't know if it is zoloft withdrawal or getting used to the WB???
Has anyone ever sufferred damage from coming off the zoloft or are we all just doomed.

I would love to get all the docs together and make them take some of this crap they give us and then take it from them cold turkey so they could experience all this and stop patronizing us when we ask about the withdrawal symptoms.

Just complaining, can't complain around the house anymore because my husband is getting tired of it and says I am always sick. Maybe I am always sick because of the meds??

Well, thanks for the support.


> Ah, yes I think I remember the 60's. I thank God for psychedelics as well because they introduced me to the possibility of a higher minded, more spirit oriented way of living. I've always kept those ideals. However, I also was self-medicating with way too much methadrine at that time, as well as anything else I could get my hands on. Oh well, those were the times I guess.
>
> I too was abused as a child and there are studies showing that the structure of the brain gets changed as a result of early trauma. But I think there's always hope and healing. I have to say now that I'm feeling so much better that all those experiences made me a much stronger and more compassionate person and I don't have too many regrets. I only hope that eventually I learn how to not worry so much when I'm having a bad episode. I want very much to learn trust in this lifetime. That's difficult when fear and trauma were constant companions as a child.
>
> I hope you do start a journal, at least. It sounds like your life was very 'interesting'. When you say institutionalized from 15 to 17, do you mean agewise, or that many years?
>
> If the Wellbutrin doesn't work, try not to be too discouraged. Ask the folks here on this board for advice, their experiences, anything you want to know. I've found the combined knowledge and experience here to be very powerful. All the best to you. - Barbara
>
> > Barbara,
> > Thanks for your reply. It has been a long time since I spoke with anyone regarding these problems. I will probably start seeing a psych doc or someone now that I have insurance again.
> >
> > I have had problems all my life, child abuse mentally, physically and sexually. Hospitalized in state hosp. from 15 years to 17, (the whole bit, isolation, drugged, straigt jackets, and some wierd drug I think is called paraldahyde or something like that. They used to inject you with it when you started acting out so it would knock you out and you woke up either in isolation or strapped down, depending on how bad you acted. After that period I was in and out of psych wards for awhile.
> >
> > Thank god for the sixties, I think the LSD liberated me from the melaril/thorazine/librium. Of course I had to step out of the sixties and after many lifetimes, 2 husbands, 3 children, here it is, 2002.
> >
> > If I was a writer, I would write a book about all of this but then who would be interested?? At least it would be therapeautic or cleansing.
> >
> > I guess looking back at all this, the zoloft did help for awhile and I am thankful for that. I remember about 6 months on Zoloft, I thought, wow this is what is like to be normal!
> >
> > So now onto the next step, Wellbutrin then hopefully, work into a health regime that will allow me to be drug free.
> >
> > thanks again....oona..
> >
> > > Dear Oona,
> > >
> > > I hear you, loud and clear. I especially relate to the part about 'what if we coudn't get our drugs if a war broke out, etc.'. I often think about that, but figure that in a situation like that, we'd do whatever it takes to get through. We'd never miss the meds because we'd be so busy handling life and before you know it, poof, we'd be clear of them. It's amazing what we can handle if pressed to the ground, depressed or not, if we're committed to staying among the living.
> > >
> > > I know about Youngliving and like their philosophy about using natural essences and oils therapeutically. I'm also very much interested in natural healing and have been studying one form or another for about 30 years - yoga, meditation, herbs, etc. I use alot of nutritional support and it helps, I've not yet found the perfect combination that will let me stop taking my medications.
> > >
> > > I haven't able to permanently call it quits with antidepressants and I've tried to taper off many times. In fact, I've been off them completely for 6-8 months at a time several times. I've always had to go back on them because I'd get blitzed out by the very severe stress I was experiencing in my life, money, jobs, so on and so forth. I'd start to unravel and lose it, crying constantly and becoming very fearful and sleepless. So I'd go back onto AD's and be very grateful for them. They've always helped and at this point I'm resigned to having to take them.
> > >
> > > IF anything happens and my supply runs out, I'll probably hole myself up somewhere and scream and gnash my teeth for a few months, hoping that the drug wears off and my neurotramitters get back to a normal state. I don't know anymore if I need the meds because I started them in the first place, or if my chemistry really needs them. My plan is to take my current regiment, Remeron, lithium and klonopin, in order to really get my life in sync, get a good healthy regimen stabilized and then try to reduce again. I'm not working in a high stress environment any more so I'm hoping that my more peaceful lifestyle will prevent any relapses. I simply cannot handle stress, especially stupid unnecessary stress.
> > >
> > > I would most definitely ask your doctor for an anti-anxiety med. Klonopin works well for me because it doesn't space me out at all. I also take Ambien to sleep at night. Again, if you can go without it's always better so that you don't have to deal with yet another drug to wean off, however, most benzos would be much safer and more effective than the Tylenol PM you're relying on. You have to be concerned about kidney problems with Tylenol.
> > >
> > > Your comment about worrying about what might happen is a clear indication that you're suffering from worry and anxiety. In my experience, if this disorder (anxiety) is not first taken care of, the anxiety will break through the antidepressant and render the med ineffective. Many of us here on this board use ADs along with some kind of mood stabilizer and have been getting better results than with ADs alone. Good luck to you and keep in touch. - Barbara

 

Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft oona

Posted by BarbaraCat on April 7, 2002, at 20:08:30

In reply to Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft BarbaraCat, posted by oona on April 7, 2002, at 17:16:04

Hi Oona, Good to hear from you. In answer to your questions:

> Do you know if the Wellbutrin 150 SR does the same stuff that the Zoloft does???

No, not really. Wellbutrin acts on a different mechanism/chemical in the brain - more dopamine and norepinephrine, which are activating, than serotonin, which is more sedating (or can be, but not always). In fact, there is the exact same drug as Wellbutrin called Zyban that's used to wean people off cigarettes, the theory being that the reward and pleasure centers in the brain are stimulated by the drug and that helps people kick the nicotine habit. I guess the same theory holds that these pleasure and reward centers will get activated long enough to kick a person out of the depths of depression and despair. It seems to work for some people. I didn't have much luck with it. It all depends on how you are wired and that drug didn't fix my bad wiring.

>I am not very knowledeable about Seratonin etc. SO are WB and Zoloft both for Anti depression or anxiety?

They are both antidepressants, but once the depression is under control the anxiety is usually minimized because your thinking is less black and white and more optimistic as the disease lessens it's hold. If the anxiety persists you probably need to discuss it with your doc and have a antianxiety med in addition. That's what I finally ended up with after many many years. I should have done that long ago since it's the mismanagement of my unusually stressful life that plunges me into overwhelm, despair and depression.
>
> It has been almost 3 weks off the zoloft and I am still having symptoms and don't know if it is zoloft withdrawal or getting used to the WB???

Three weeks isn't very long, really, it isn't when you're coming off and starting another med. It can take a good 12 weeks until you feel fully stable, but generally start looking at 6 for noticeable improvement.

VERY IMPORTANT:
Are you getting sufficient sleep(7-9 hours)? Taking 50-100 mg daily of B vitamins? Calcium and magnesium (1000 mg)? (along with a good balanced women's multi-vitamin) 8-10 glasses of filtered water daily? 20-30 minutes of walking? Eating balanced wholesome meals? Had your thyoid checked? If you're not doing ALL of these things then no matter how many psychiatric meds you're taking, you're wasting your time and money.

> Has anyone ever sufferred damage from coming off the zoloft or are we all just doomed.

There are some stories about people having backlashes of violence when they've abruptly stopped SSRI's, but I haven't heard of any permanent damage as far as singed receptors or anything like that. It's too soon to tell since these things haven't been around that long. One good piece of news thats come about just lately is that lithium, an old standard for manic depression, has been shown to actually grow new branches in the neurons of the brains - contributing to the brain's 'plasticity'. It's actually healthy for the brain and people have started taking it in small doses for it's neuro protective properties even though there's nothing wrong with them neurologically.

Some studies have said that some of these SSRI's show some promise in resetting part of the brain that gets stuck in fear, like healing a broken record that keeps playing the same old scary part over and over and smooths over the scratch so it can move on to other grooves in the record, so to speak. So I wouldn't worry too much about permanent damage. I believe that dwelling on something too much gives it more power than it should have and might even create a situation that might not have even existed, you know what it mean?
>
> Just complaining, can't complain around the house anymore because my husband is getting tired of it and says I am always sick. Maybe I am always sick because of the meds??
>
That could be. You are sick and there's no doubt about it. Depression is a whole body thing, not just the mind. Add the insult of the weirdness of the meds effects and, well, it's a challenge to any relationship. Unless he's felt as down in the dirt lower than a snake's belly full of misery then it's hard for anyone to imagine the kind of agony we go through day after day year after year. I'd strongly suggest finding another source to confide your worst feelings in. It's too much to expect your spouse to deal with. For one thing, most men feel real frustrated because they want to 'fix' it and when they can't they feel impotent and resentful towards you. Plus, it's really no fun to be around someone who is pointing out all the nasty evil depressing sides to life. Unfortunate but true. It's OK for our mates to see us weak and fearful and hopeless but those times MUST be balanced out by just as many if not more of the strong, capable, prideful things. It just works that way. I have truly found that getting myself to a place where I could drag myself into a pair of walking pants, shoes and shirt and then hoisting myself around the block and doing this a few times would perform a miracle by day 7, no matter how awful I felt. Well, keep coming back here. We've been where you're at and all care. - Barbara
>
>
> > Ah, yes I think I remember the 60's. I thank God for psychedelics as well because they introduced me to the possibility of a higher minded, more spirit oriented way of living. I've always kept those ideals. However, I also was self-medicating with way too much methadrine at that time, as well as anything else I could get my hands on. Oh well, those were the times I guess.
> >
> > I too was abused as a child and there are studies showing that the structure of the brain gets changed as a result of early trauma. But I think there's always hope and healing. I have to say now that I'm feeling so much better that all those experiences made me a much stronger and more compassionate person and I don't have too many regrets. I only hope that eventually I learn how to not worry so much when I'm having a bad episode. I want very much to learn trust in this lifetime. That's difficult when fear and trauma were constant companions as a child.
> >
> > I hope you do start a journal, at least. It sounds like your life was very 'interesting'. When you say institutionalized from 15 to 17, do you mean agewise, or that many years?
> >
> > If the Wellbutrin doesn't work, try not to be too discouraged. Ask the folks here on this board for advice, their experiences, anything you want to know. I've found the combined knowledge and experience here to be very powerful. All the best to you. - Barbara
> >
> > > Barbara,
> > > Thanks for your reply. It has been a long time since I spoke with anyone regarding these problems. I will probably start seeing a psych doc or someone now that I have insurance again.
> > >
> > > I have had problems all my life, child abuse mentally, physically and sexually. Hospitalized in state hosp. from 15 years to 17, (the whole bit, isolation, drugged, straigt jackets, and some wierd drug I think is called paraldahyde or something like that. They used to inject you with it when you started acting out so it would knock you out and you woke up either in isolation or strapped down, depending on how bad you acted. After that period I was in and out of psych wards for awhile.
> > >
> > > Thank god for the sixties, I think the LSD liberated me from the melaril/thorazine/librium. Of course I had to step out of the sixties and after many lifetimes, 2 husbands, 3 children, here it is, 2002.
> > >
> > > If I was a writer, I would write a book about all of this but then who would be interested?? At least it would be therapeautic or cleansing.
> > >
> > > I guess looking back at all this, the zoloft did help for awhile and I am thankful for that. I remember about 6 months on Zoloft, I thought, wow this is what is like to be normal!
> > >
> > > So now onto the next step, Wellbutrin then hopefully, work into a health regime that will allow me to be drug free.
> > >
> > > thanks again....oona..
> > >
> > > > Dear Oona,
> > > >
> > > > I hear you, loud and clear. I especially relate to the part about 'what if we coudn't get our drugs if a war broke out, etc.'. I often think about that, but figure that in a situation like that, we'd do whatever it takes to get through. We'd never miss the meds because we'd be so busy handling life and before you know it, poof, we'd be clear of them. It's amazing what we can handle if pressed to the ground, depressed or not, if we're committed to staying among the living.
> > > >
> > > > I know about Youngliving and like their philosophy about using natural essences and oils therapeutically. I'm also very much interested in natural healing and have been studying one form or another for about 30 years - yoga, meditation, herbs, etc. I use alot of nutritional support and it helps, I've not yet found the perfect combination that will let me stop taking my medications.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't able to permanently call it quits with antidepressants and I've tried to taper off many times. In fact, I've been off them completely for 6-8 months at a time several times. I've always had to go back on them because I'd get blitzed out by the very severe stress I was experiencing in my life, money, jobs, so on and so forth. I'd start to unravel and lose it, crying constantly and becoming very fearful and sleepless. So I'd go back onto AD's and be very grateful for them. They've always helped and at this point I'm resigned to having to take them.
> > > >
> > > > IF anything happens and my supply runs out, I'll probably hole myself up somewhere and scream and gnash my teeth for a few months, hoping that the drug wears off and my neurotramitters get back to a normal state. I don't know anymore if I need the meds because I started them in the first place, or if my chemistry really needs them. My plan is to take my current regiment, Remeron, lithium and klonopin, in order to really get my life in sync, get a good healthy regimen stabilized and then try to reduce again. I'm not working in a high stress environment any more so I'm hoping that my more peaceful lifestyle will prevent any relapses. I simply cannot handle stress, especially stupid unnecessary stress.
> > > >
> > > > I would most definitely ask your doctor for an anti-anxiety med. Klonopin works well for me because it doesn't space me out at all. I also take Ambien to sleep at night. Again, if you can go without it's always better so that you don't have to deal with yet another drug to wean off, however, most benzos would be much safer and more effective than the Tylenol PM you're relying on. You have to be concerned about kidney problems with Tylenol.
> > > >
> > > > Your comment about worrying about what might happen is a clear indication that you're suffering from worry and anxiety. In my experience, if this disorder (anxiety) is not first taken care of, the anxiety will break through the antidepressant and render the med ineffective. Many of us here on this board use ADs along with some kind of mood stabilizer and have been getting better results than with ADs alone. Good luck to you and keep in touch. - Barbara

 

Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft BarbaraCat

Posted by oona on April 9, 2002, at 0:18:19

In reply to Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft oona, posted by BarbaraCat on April 7, 2002, at 20:08:30

Thanks Barbara for your info.

I see my med doc tommorow (or his nurse pract. if he is to busy) so I will ask about the anti-anxiety meds. Woke up with fever, body aches and muscle pain, so maybe really "sick". Or is this one of the side presents of new WB or Zoloft withdrawal.

I do exercise, drink lots of water, had my thyroid checked but have been lax lately with the vitamins.

Will probably see a nutritionist as I also have stomach problems that they can not identify (maybe IBS, maybe diverticuloses, also sensitive to some foods and also milk intolerant) This one is funny (peculiar) as my doc gave me a med for my stomach to ease the diarhea and cramping and the med had lactose in it so it made me gassy and sick. ( I will have to read the info on the meds they give you ) The doc had no idea, I wonder if they read the materials the drug salesmen leave with the free samples? Maybe the people on this board should get together and advise the docs on meds and get paid for it instead of giving them all this free information.
Ha ha.

 

Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft oona

Posted by BarbaraCat on April 9, 2002, at 1:22:43

In reply to Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft BarbaraCat, posted by oona on April 9, 2002, at 0:18:19

My personal feeling is that going to see a good naturopath is probably going to save a whole lot of time, money, and pain in the ass factor when it comes to diagnosing stuff like what you're describing. It could be something like gluten sensitivity or some other dietary thing. I don't think there's anything herbal or nutritional by itself that can handle a serious case of clinical depression. But when other things go wrong, most doctors don't seem to have the time to take the whole person into account and just pile on the pills to patch up the parts. Our poor livers are toxic waste sites so it's no wonder we don't feel so good. Well, good luck with your doc and I hope you check out that nurtritionist.

P.S. You have a point on your last comment. I wonder how many pdocs read this board? - BCat

 

Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft BarbaraCat

Posted by oona on April 10, 2002, at 7:32:46

In reply to Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft oona, posted by BarbaraCat on April 9, 2002, at 1:22:43

I forgot to ask about anti anxiety drug at my docs yesterday, so I will ask next thursday. Have to go in again cuz my blood presssure was sky high. They think it is because of the WB as I also feel like I am speeding and my heart felt like it was pounding. She listened to my heart and it was fine? You mentioned coffee, does that affect the WB? I am only taking one cup today and will try to quit.
oona

> My personal feeling is that going to see a good naturopath is probably going to save a whole lot of time, money, and pain in the ass factor when it comes to diagnosing stuff like what you're describing. It could be something like gluten sensitivity or some other dietary thing. I don't think there's anything herbal or nutritional by itself that can handle a serious case of clinical depression. But when other things go wrong, most doctors don't seem to have the time to take the whole person into account and just pile on the pills to patch up the parts. Our poor livers are toxic waste sites so it's no wonder we don't feel so good. Well, good luck with your doc and I hope you check out that nurtritionist.
>
> P.S. You have a point on your last comment. I wonder how many pdocs read this board? - BCat

 

Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft

Posted by BarbaraCat on April 10, 2002, at 11:50:40

In reply to Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft BarbaraCat, posted by oona on April 10, 2002, at 7:32:46

One cup a day doesn't sound like too much, but you know your body's limits on such things. If you're overweight, that can send your blood pressure up, as can anxiety. WB is also known to speed up bp. These are things you have to discuss with your doc. Doesn't sound like you had enough time at your visit.

> I forgot to ask about anti anxiety drug at my docs yesterday, so I will ask next thursday. Have to go in again cuz my blood presssure was sky high. They think it is because of the WB as I also feel like I am speeding and my heart felt like it was pounding. She listened to my heart and it was fine? You mentioned coffee, does that affect the WB? I am only taking one cup today and will try to quit.
> oona
>
> > My personal feeling is that going to see a good naturopath is probably going to save a whole lot of time, money, and pain in the ass factor when it comes to diagnosing stuff like what you're describing. It could be something like gluten sensitivity or some other dietary thing. I don't think there's anything herbal or nutritional by itself that can handle a serious case of clinical depression. But when other things go wrong, most doctors don't seem to have the time to take the whole person into account and just pile on the pills to patch up the parts. Our poor livers are toxic waste sites so it's no wonder we don't feel so good. Well, good luck with your doc and I hope you check out that nurtritionist.
> >
> > P.S. You have a point on your last comment. I wonder how many pdocs read this board? - BCat

 

Coming off zoloft-going onto WB BarbaraCat

Posted by oona on April 12, 2002, at 22:56:53

In reply to Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft, posted by BarbaraCat on April 10, 2002, at 11:50:40

It was the WB that gave me the high reading on my blood presure - combine that with Starbucks, a high stress day at work and arguing with your sig other because you are irritable behind the WB.
A good perscription for heart disease or stroke.... I am not sure why i can not follow a healthy regime when I know what is good for me and what is not. I guess it is a matter of focus and determination. I did change taking the WB in the evening instead of the morning so I won't be so jacked up at work, that did seem to help for the day, but not for the night. Have been geeting at least five hours of direct sleep and maybe another hour or so of broken sleep, so that is pretty good for me.
I am wondering if I can take the WB SR150 every other day since it is sustained release and I am so sensitive to meds. Or maybe taking the plain 100's once a day might be better. I will check with my doc on that and the other meds when I go on Thursday. I will have to remember to take a list this time since this WB seems to give you Alzhiemers.
How long have you been on Lithium? They gave it to me for a while when I was diagnosed as bi-polar but then they were not sure. I stopped taking it because I was in my born again stage and was talked into relying on the lord instead of the meds. One drug for another, worked too until I dropped out from being born again and decided to try life again...
Now that I have been full circle, I would really like to see what it is like to be off drugs. I hope I could handle it and find ways to deal with life. Of course the deep depresions are scary and since this is supposed to be physiological and maybe not completely psycho - I am not sure if I am ready to do it yet. What did humans do in the old days, Got drunk or got obsessive. My mom is 84 and if she does not stay on her Thyroid meds she really gets manic, thank god we fould a good nursing home as she would not live with any of us and frankly, we probably could not live with her. At least in the home they keep her on her thyroid meds and monitor her there. She is the happiest that I have seen her, ever.
Sorry this is so long but I tend to ramble when I am blowing off steam.... or is ramblin' another side effect of somthin'
oona

 

Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB oona

Posted by BarbaraCat on April 15, 2002, at 21:41:45

In reply to Coming off zoloft-going onto WB BarbaraCat, posted by oona on April 12, 2002, at 22:56:53

Hi Oona,
You asked about how long I've been on Lithium. Since the beginning of February and I wish I'd started years ago. After all these 25 or so years of thinking I was unipolar depressed and being treated as such, it's fairly evident now that I have all the symptoms of bipolar II. I stop responding to antidepressants after a while and increasing them makes me more depressed, I have mixed depression with anxiety, have had hypomanic phases where I spent money like I'd won the lottery (oh, if only I had a fraction of that money now!) and other tell-tale symptoms like starting grandiose schemes, not sleeping, zipping around and then - booom, crash! I also tried relying on God but the miracle cure has not yet been granted to me. I have a suspicion that God is either depressed him/herself or just sick of the whole lot of us. However, praying is still a great comfort to me. I just don't need a bunch of, ummm, fanatically inclined folk to tell me how to do it.

You also said that you think it could be mainly biological and not just psycho. Couldn't agree with you more. Although many of us, myself included, have had more than our share of traumatic childhoods or other incidents, I've come to believe that there's a basic malfunctioning going in our bio/chemical/electrical system. The methods we have right now at our disposal, like drugs and ECT are pretty crude, but it's not that long ago that doctors were applying leaches.

I'm curious, Oona, why has your doctor settled on Wellbutrin? You probably mentioned it a while back, but if you could refresh my memory? I tried it a while back and it wasn't the drug for me - made me feel too wired and didn't do much to relieve the depression. For me, and quite a few of us here on this board, adding mood stabilisers has really done the trick. I've heard some good reports about others as well, like Lamactil, but so far the Lithium has been good for me.

 

Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB

Posted by oona on April 15, 2002, at 22:16:15

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB oona, posted by BarbaraCat on April 15, 2002, at 21:41:45

> Hi Oona,
> You asked about how long I've been on Lithium. Since the beginning of February and I wish I'd started years ago. After all these 25 or so years of thinking I was unipolar depressed and being treated as such, it's fairly evident now that I have all the symptoms of bipolar II. I stop responding to antidepressants after a while and increasing them makes me more depressed, I have mixed depression with anxiety, have had hypomanic phases where I spent money like I'd won the lottery (oh, if only I had a fraction of that money now!) and other tell-tale symptoms like starting grandiose schemes, not sleeping, zipping around and then - booom, crash! I also tried relying on God but the miracle cure has not yet been granted to me. I have a suspicion that God is either depressed him/herself or just sick of the whole lot of us. However, praying is still a great comfort to me. I just don't need a bunch of, ummm, fanatically inclined folk to tell me how to do it.
>
> You also said that you think it could be mainly biological and not just psycho. Couldn't agree with you more. Although many of us, myself included, have had more than our share of traumatic childhoods or other incidents, I've come to believe that there's a basic malfunctioning going in our bio/chemical/electrical system. The methods we have right now at our disposal, like drugs and ECT are pretty crude, but it's not that long ago that doctors were applying leaches.
>
> I'm curious, Oona, why has your doctor settled on Wellbutrin? You probably mentioned it a while back, but if you could refresh my memory? I tried it a while back and it wasn't the drug for me - made me feel too wired and didn't do much to relieve the depression. For me, and quite a few of us here on this board, adding mood stabilisers has really done the trick. I've heard some good reports about others as well, like Lamactil, but so far the Lithium has been good for me.

Hi Barbara,
He gave me the Wellbutrin because I wanted to get off the Zoloft so I could have a sex life again, not only that, I was starting to notice that Zoloft made me not care about stuff. I tried to go back to painting and did not have the inclinition or creative energy that I once had. Maybe it is just age. I just wanted to feel "something" again, even if it means dealing with the depression again.

My mother is (I think) bi-polar. Tho she never was really diagnosed. She used to go thru "spells" where she would just sit and read, she managed to make meals and take care of us but...then she would "WAKE UP", she would get this shining glaze to her eyes, she would start running around doing stuff, like take the house apart and make the living room a dorm for the kids and make a bedroom a sitting room or take all of us away somewhere, hock anything she could find to get the money, then eventually she would crash, at which point she was hospitalized. She had shock treatments once but mostly they medicated her. This was in between the times that my father would be on binges and then he would literally crash and end up in a sanitarium. I now wonder how we all managed to get through to our adulthood in one piece.

It must run in families, I was manic for a while, manic-depressive.
Now my son is showing signs of either mainic-depression, bi-polar, or (I think he is ADD) but the docs say it is just the drugs coming out of his system. He became addicted to oxycotin and other stuff that led to heroin. I just wish I could direct him to a doctor or hospital that could get him help. He spent 30 days in rehab (for court) and I do think it helped him to be aware that "yes" I have a problem. I had to cut loose of him and let him do this on his own, but still wish I could help. He is 28 now and I guess he will have to do it the hard way.

Definitely runs in families or the tendencies. We have had so many drug, alcohol, suicide in our family running back 3 generations. (maybe more)..

Anyway, I am going to change doctors soon. The one I go to is an internist and basically an HMO type, get them in and head them out, type doc. He would probably give me anything I asked for. I am seeing his nurse pract this week and will ask her for a referral to either a pdoc or an acupuncturist that is covered by my insurance. they cover DOM in this state so maybe go that route.
I also want him to change my scrip to the 100 WB as the 150 SR is more expensive and the insurance covers the 100 cheaper. Dont know if I will have to take 100 twice a day or just 100. Anyway, if my blood pressure is still up and I am still flying by thursday, maybe they will take me off it... Then what... Not sure???

Well got to go..
oona

 

Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB oona

Posted by BarbaraCat on April 15, 2002, at 22:42:15

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB, posted by oona on April 15, 2002, at 22:16:15

Hi Oona,
I'm still chuckling about your mother herding you around the living room 'dorm'. Boy, it sounds like you got a double-whammy with your mom and dad. My dad was definitely gonzo. His whole side of the family was violently colorful crazy Polocks. One of them died in an asylum, my grandmother had her kids taken away for trying to stab my grandfather to death, my father was alternately a rage-aholic or suicidally depressed. Heck, if it weren't for the genetics, I'd still be shit out of luck with my upbringing.

OK, I understand about the WB. I had the SAME complaint when I was on Zoloft. I was taking it for 6 years at 200 to 250 mg and I was like 'oh, whatever'. Couldn't feel anything, no zest for life. Not only that, but depression was breaking through anyway. So my doctor thought that the norepinephrine would help with the zip. I honestly can't remember what the outcome was, except I don't think I liked it. But you know, I don't even remember all that well. Duh!

If you have acupuncture coverage, that's great! I don't know of many HMOs that are that liberated. I found it very helpful for a good system tonic and balancer, but alas, didn't seem to be enough to replace the ADs. Sometimes I think that after so many years on these meds I'm lucky if I have two of my own neuro-receptor sites left to rub together. I truly wish we all had a detox place to go to cause I don't know how to do it without the meds anymore.

 

Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB

Posted by maribeth on April 16, 2002, at 13:54:47

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB oona, posted by BarbaraCat on April 15, 2002, at 21:41:45

> Hi Oona,
> You asked about how long I've been on Lithium. Since the beginning of February and I wish I'd started years ago. After all these 25 or so years of thinking I was unipolar depressed and being treated as such, it's fairly evident now that I have all the symptoms of bipolar II. I stop responding to antidepressants after a while and increasing them makes me more depressed, I have mixed depression with anxiety, have had hypomanic phases where I spent money like I'd won the lottery (oh, if only I had a fraction of that money now!) and other tell-tale symptoms like starting grandiose schemes, not sleeping, zipping around and then - booom, crash! I also tried relying on God but the miracle cure has not yet been granted to me. I have a suspicion that God is either depressed him/herself or just sick of the whole lot of us. However, praying is still a great comfort to me. I just don't need a bunch of, ummm, fanatically inclined folk to tell me how to do it.
>
> You also said that you think it could be mainly biological and not just psycho. Couldn't agree with you more. Although many of us, myself included, have had more than our share of traumatic childhoods or other incidents, I've come to believe that there's a basic malfunctioning going in our bio/chemical/electrical system. The methods we have right now at our disposal, like drugs and ECT are pretty crude, but it's not that long ago that doctors were applying leaches.
>
> I'm curious, Oona, why has your doctor settled on Wellbutrin? You probably mentioned it a while back, but if you could refresh my memory? I tried it a while back and it wasn't the drug for me - made me feel too wired and didn't do much to relieve the depression. For me, and quite a few of us here on this board, adding mood stabilisers has really done the trick. I've heard some good reports about others as well, like Lamactil, but so far the Lithium has been good for me.

Hi Oona and BarbaraCat--
Oh my are you singing my song! The genetics part Although my mother never acted out quite in the way yours did she was a "pip" in her own right!! She never took anything medication-wise when she was at her worst, but she was hospitalized as a young adult and had "shock treatments". This was all before I was born. Funniest thing -- she got herself on "speed" (diet pills) when I was in highschool and she worked for a doc. Man was she ever easy to live with then (ADD??)! Me, I'm on Topamax, Seroquel, and lately off Effexor and onto Celexa. The Celexa is a little better than the Effexor was as far as letting me "Feel". I too am hoping to start Wellbutrin in a couple of weeks. Glad to hear you mention the regular, I think I would prefer that. I was put on the SR once a couple of years back and went psycotic. My pdock thinks I'll be ok on a low dose with the Seroquel to "cover" me. I am also ADD. Lets hear it for genetics --my family history goes back at least FOUR generations! Maribeth

 

Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB maribeth

Posted by oona on April 16, 2002, at 22:09:22

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB, posted by maribeth on April 16, 2002, at 13:54:47

> > Hi Oona,
> > You asked about how long I've been on Lithium. Since the beginning of February and I wish I'd started years ago. After all these 25 or so years of thinking I was unipolar depressed and being treated as such, it's fairly evident now that I have all the symptoms of bipolar II. I stop responding to antidepressants after a while and increasing them makes me more depressed, I have mixed depression with anxiety, have had hypomanic phases where I spent money like I'd won the lottery (oh, if only I had a fraction of that money now!) and other tell-tale symptoms like starting grandiose schemes, not sleeping, zipping around and then - booom, crash! I also tried relying on God but the miracle cure has not yet been granted to me. I have a suspicion that God is either depressed him/herself or just sick of the whole lot of us. However, praying is still a great comfort to me. I just don't need a bunch of, ummm, fanatically inclined folk to tell me how to do it.
> >
> > You also said that you think it could be mainly biological and not just psycho. Couldn't agree with you more. Although many of us, myself included, have had more than our share of traumatic childhoods or other incidents, I've come to believe that there's a basic malfunctioning going in our bio/chemical/electrical system. The methods we have right now at our disposal, like drugs and ECT are pretty crude, but it's not that long ago that doctors were applying leaches.
> >
> > I'm curious, Oona, why has your doctor settled on Wellbutrin? You probably mentioned it a while back, but if you could refresh my memory? I tried it a while back and it wasn't the drug for me - made me feel too wired and didn't do much to relieve the depression. For me, and quite a few of us here on this board, adding mood stabilisers has really done the trick. I've heard some good reports about others as well, like Lamactil, but so far the Lithium has been good for me.
>
> Hi Oona and BarbaraCat--
> Oh my are you singing my song! The genetics part Although my mother never acted out quite in the way yours did she was a "pip" in her own right!! She never took anything medication-wise when she was at her worst, but she was hospitalized as a young adult and had "shock treatments". This was all before I was born. Funniest thing -- she got herself on "speed" (diet pills) when I was in highschool and she worked for a doc. Man was she ever easy to live with then (ADD??)! Me, I'm on Topamax, Seroquel, and lately off Effexor and onto Celexa. The Celexa is a little better than the Effexor was as far as letting me "Feel". I too am hoping to start Wellbutrin in a couple of weeks. Glad to hear you mention the regular, I think I would prefer that. I was put on the SR once a couple of years back and went psycotic. My pdock thinks I'll be ok on a low dose with the Seroquel to "cover" me. I am also ADD. Lets hear it for genetics --my family history goes back at least FOUR generations! Maribeth


Good luck Maribeth with the Wellbutrin, Also, I saw on some show on TV that Shock Treatments are coming back in style.. Maybe we have a chance!! ha..

Anyway, I hope to be put on the 100's after Thursday. The SR makes my brain feel like it is fried, maybe it is.. They want me to wait another 2 weeks to see if I calm down a little. I mentioned on the phone today about the mood stabilizers or anit anxiety meds and I dont think they had a clue. She said she did not want me on any other meds until I have completed six weeks on WB. Also, said she would research it and let me know on Thursday. I was going to tell her to read these boards if she needed more info...

One good thing is that I ran out of Tylenol PM, dont have any sleeping pills of any kind and no money till Friday, sooo last night I made a really strong pot of chamomile/mint tea and I slept pretty good. I will try it again tonight as I dont have any other options. Mind over matter...

Peace

 

Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB maribeth

Posted by BarbaraCat on April 17, 2002, at 0:10:07

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB, posted by maribeth on April 16, 2002, at 13:54:47

Yep, those diet pills/speed sure made me feel quite tranquil and mellow when I was popping them back in high school and college. Little did I know I was self-medicating a life-long mood disorder. It's incredible that the gene pool keeps replicating it's crazy offspring.

You say you're on Topamax. Just curious why? I am also, mainly because I was packing on the pudge from both the Remeron and the lithium. So far I haven't noticed anything (am on 75 mg.) except to feel a bit more anxious and restless. I don't think I like the feeling all that much. Well, keep in touch. - Barbara

 

Re: OTC Sleepies

Posted by BarbaraCat on April 17, 2002, at 0:23:48

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft-going onto WB maribeth, posted by oona on April 16, 2002, at 22:09:22

Hi Oona,
Have you ever tried melatonin for sleep? It works pretty good for me and is fairly cheap, especially if you have access to Costco. Also, I was told by a doctor that good old benedryl is one of the safest and most effective sleepers around and he prescribes it before anything else. You can get it or it's generic over the counter for about $2 and if it's going to work it'll knock you out. Unfortunately it also can feel like a truck ran over you when trying to wake up. Then there are some people who get a buzz off it.

Sometimes my insomnia just doesn't want to budge and I can take a maxi dose of ambien, klonopin, herbs, teas, and still lie there boinging off the walls. Just that chemistry thing.

> One good thing is that I ran out of Tylenol PM, dont have any sleeping pills of any kind and no money till Friday, sooo last night I made a really strong pot of chamomile/mint tea and I slept pretty good. I will try it again tonight as I dont have any other options. Mind over matter...
>
> Peace

 

Re: OTC Sleepies

Posted by oona on April 17, 2002, at 7:11:38

In reply to Re: OTC Sleepies, posted by BarbaraCat on April 17, 2002, at 0:23:48

I would rather not take anything to sleep if possible. I have been taking the benedryl as Tylenol PM or plain benedryl for 7 years. Did try melatonin for awhile but it did not work very well for me. I know there is a mixture of herbs with valerian and skullcap that I have not taken yet. The valerian caps are nasty, smell like old sneakers.

I slept ok last night, woke up three or four times times with allergy and post nasal drip - guess the benadryl would be good with that also...
oona

 

Re: OTC Sleepies oona

Posted by BarbaraCat on April 17, 2002, at 10:38:21

In reply to Re: OTC Sleepies, posted by oona on April 17, 2002, at 7:11:38

Another one I forgot to mention is Calms Forte made by Hyland Formulations which you can get at a health food store. It works very well, is gentle, no hangover, and feels like it has a cumulative restoring effect. I forgot about it until now and am going to go out and get some today. It has homeopathics as well as herbs that lull you into a natural relaxed state instead of knocking your lights out.

Regarding the allergy stuff, I finally got a prescription for Flonase nasal spray from my doctor which works wonders. I've developed allergies to cats over the years (a disaster since they are our babies and no less than 4 of our 8 sleep with us). It had contributed to my sleep apnea over the years (waking up constantly from not breathing). I've resisted a cortisone-based spray sort of thing for years but it has worked wonders. I also sing and can now actually sustain an open throated sound instead of a croak.

> I would rather not take anything to sleep if possible. I have been taking the benedryl as Tylenol PM or plain benedryl for 7 years. Did try melatonin for awhile but it did not work very well for me. I know there is a mixture of herbs with valerian and skullcap that I have not taken yet. The valerian caps are nasty, smell like old sneakers.
>
> I slept ok last night, woke up three or four times times with allergy and post nasal drip - guess the benadryl would be good with that also...
> oona

 

Coming off zoloft

Posted by cvb on July 18, 2002, at 14:41:57

In reply to Coming off zoloft-going onto WB BarbaraCat, posted by oona on April 12, 2002, at 22:56:53

Wow, I've been feeling a bit dizzy lately and it just occured to me that it might be because I stopped taking zoloft about four weeks ago, after having been on anywhere from 50-150 mg a day for at least six years. I guess I'm glad I didn't stumble on this list sooner or I may have frightened myself into not stopping. I did have some pretty severe headaches the first week off, but never made the connection ... and this occasional dizziness is a bit worrisome, but it sounds as if overall I've had a much easier time of it than most. I thought I'd stop because I had a month off of work and I didn't want to think about it (and I wanted to enjoy laying in the sun without the usual extra crispy results of having zoloft in the blood stream). Now I'm getting ready to go back to work, but I'm wondering if I should just forget about the zoloft since I seem to be fine and hopefully the withdrawal symptoms are dwindling away. I suppose I should talk to my doctor about it, but I prefer the self-medication supervision method.

 

Re: Coming off zoloft cvb

Posted by BarbaraCat on July 18, 2002, at 23:42:27

In reply to Coming off zoloft, posted by cvb on July 18, 2002, at 14:41:57

Did you just stop cold turkey? That's pretty rough on the system. You may be fortunate and suffer nothing more than dizziness and some rebound anger/anxiety, but if you suddenly feel like a homicidal maniac, remember, it's just zoloft withdrawal. Dizziness is real common, as is a 'swoopy' feeling, like an elevator going sideways. Little electric shock feelings are also typical. It takes a few months before they subside. In the meantime, alot of folks take benzos to cope with the anxiety until things feel better. I don't want to put any scary thoughts in your head but please put notes up all around your house "It's Only the Zoloft!" Otherwise you'll probably forget. I punched a hole through the wall rather than my husband one crazy post Zoloft day. Broke a large limb off a tree another day. Whew! and I'm a very peace loving gal. Take care, kiddo, and keep in touch. Oh, and you might want to rethink going back to work without letting your doctor know. No, really.

> Wow, I've been feeling a bit dizzy lately and it just occured to me that it might be because I stopped taking zoloft about four weeks ago, after having been on anywhere from 50-150 mg a day for at least six years. I guess I'm glad I didn't stumble on this list sooner or I may have frightened myself into not stopping. I did have some pretty severe headaches the first week off, but never made the connection ... and this occasional dizziness is a bit worrisome, but it sounds as if overall I've had a much easier time of it than most. I thought I'd stop because I had a month off of work and I didn't want to think about it (and I wanted to enjoy laying in the sun without the usual extra crispy results of having zoloft in the blood stream). Now I'm getting ready to go back to work, but I'm wondering if I should just forget about the zoloft since I seem to be fine and hopefully the withdrawal symptoms are dwindling away. I suppose I should talk to my doctor about it, but I prefer the self-medication supervision method.

 

Re: Coming off zoloft

Posted by cvb on July 19, 2002, at 0:52:02

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft cvb, posted by BarbaraCat on July 18, 2002, at 23:42:27

Hmm, I haven't really felt at all anxious, or experienced the electric shock sensation a lot of people refer to. The "swoopy" feeling is definitely where I'm at though, perfect description! Has anyone else gone for a significant period of time (4 weeks) without really having many symptoms of withdrawal and then started experiencing them later? I was feeling perhaps this is as bad as it's going to get and maybe I'm just really lucky considering I was unaware that I was being a little kooky in doing the cold turkey thing. My PCP has never been overly-interested in my meds, I did tell my counselor that I was thinking of going off them though. Of course, I haven't seen her since I stopped -- she's been on vacation too! Perhaps I will start feeling anxious when I start my new job next week, I haven't really had anything tangible to be anxious over since I stopped taking the zoloft, and the intangibles haven't snuck up on me yet! Thanks for your feedback though, I'll try to keep my wits about me!

 

Re: Coming off zoloft cvb

Posted by BarbaraCat on July 19, 2002, at 1:24:25

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft, posted by cvb on July 19, 2002, at 0:52:02

I'm glad you responded. I was starting to feel bad about being a scare monger. I'm pretty delicately wired so my experience is probably not the norm. Hopefully you'll sail through it with only some strange physical sensations. When my husband came off Zoloft (he tapered off over 2 months) he rather liked the swoopies, reminded him of his reckless youth.

One suggestion that you may want to relate to your doc is this - zoloft has a short half life, about a day, whereas Prozac has a very long half life, about 2 weeks. Some doctors will prescribe a short course of Prozac, one every week, then 1 every two weeks, then 1 every 3 weeks, etc. This can smooth out the transition if it starts getting bumpy, without loading up your system with alot of chemicals. Four weeks is a long enough time to be experiencing the effects of coming off, but is by no means long enough to have it over with. Be especially good to yourself and get a ton of exercise and sleep, drink lots of water, take good vitamins/minerals, especially magnesium, and stay away from alcohol if possible. Be a squeaky clean machine. This may be all you need to have an easy time, and hey, what a great excuse to get disgustingly healthy. Cheers! - Barbara

> Hmm, I haven't really felt at all anxious, or experienced the electric shock sensation a lot of people refer to. The "swoopy" feeling is definitely where I'm at though, perfect description! Has anyone else gone for a significant period of time (4 weeks) without really having many symptoms of withdrawal and then started experiencing them later? I was feeling perhaps this is as bad as it's going to get and maybe I'm just really lucky considering I was unaware that I was being a little kooky in doing the cold turkey thing. My PCP has never been overly-interested in my meds, I did tell my counselor that I was thinking of going off them though. Of course, I haven't seen her since I stopped -- she's been on vacation too! Perhaps I will start feeling anxious when I start my new job next week, I haven't really had anything tangible to be anxious over since I stopped taking the zoloft, and the intangibles haven't snuck up on me yet! Thanks for your feedback though, I'll try to keep my wits about me!

 

Re: Coming off zoloft cvb

Posted by Rach on July 19, 2002, at 13:17:30

In reply to Coming off zoloft, posted by cvb on July 18, 2002, at 14:41:57

> I did have some pretty severe headaches the first week off, but never made the connection ... Now I'm getting ready to go back to work, but I'm wondering if I should just forget about the zoloft since I seem to be fine and hopefully the withdrawal symptoms are dwindling away.

Hi cvb,
As a fellow zoloft user who has been in your position, please please please do not remain off the meds until you discuss it with your doc. I did a very similar thing and had a similar experience. I went cold turkey, had the swoops and headaches and took about a month to make the connection as to why. Then I thought that because I was feeling fine, great even, I would be able to cope without my meds.

As zoloft can take up to four weeks to even start working, in my brain's logic (who knows if its the truth) I think it would take just as long for the effects to wear off. And after that, I found it a very slow and sneaky gradual down hill slide until I was in the biggest depressed hole I had ever been in. All the work from previous was undone, and I had to start all over again dragging my arse up out of that black chasm.

So please just be very careful. You're feeling on top of the world right now, but it may not last, especially if you change something major that you are doing, like returning to work or quitting meds.

All the best,
Rachael

 

Re: Coming off zoloft

Posted by cvb on July 19, 2002, at 20:26:53

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft cvb, posted by BarbaraCat on July 19, 2002, at 1:24:25

Thanks Barbara and Rachael, for your words of experience. After another pretty "swoopy" day, I did call my counselor and make an appointment for next week, and told her about the cold turkey med thing. I'll also have health insurance again starting Monday, so I can make an appointment with my PCP as well and discuss this with her. I just feel glad to know WHY I've been so dizzy, now I can be much more vigilant about what's going on with my body. I don't suppose I'd last long in a new job if these dizzy days keep up, so I'll have to make some decisions about what's next for me. Thanks again for giving me some good tips based on your experiences.

 

Re: Coming off zoloft Rach

Posted by BarbaraCat on July 19, 2002, at 21:36:55

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft cvb, posted by Rach on July 19, 2002, at 13:17:30

Hi Rach,
I've been there, oh, I've been there as well. It is a sneaky progression downhill. By the time you've really hit the skids it's almost long enough that you've forgotten about stopping the meds. Life just sucks and it doesn't even matter that it's due to severe neuotransmitter brain hell. It's bad enough being depressed enough to take ADs in the first place. Being depressed with even less receptors and little serotonin floating around is ghastly.

I've been taking zoloft, prozac, celexa, paxil, with zoloft being the longest at around 8 years. I've weaned off them probably 6 times over my 20 year history with ADs. Even going very slowly it's still extremely rough. I've heard that the lag time both before and after have to do with the growth or 'death' of the serotonin receptors. The growing back is a long term process, some even theorize they never completely do and one ends up dependent upon these meds. Who knows what's really going on? I do know that I've never been able to stay off them for longer than 6 months and probably will never know whether that's because I'm 'hooked' or because I really need them.

Well, we'll see. I'm currently in the ramp down stage with Remeron, intending to be fully off my 75mg in about 6 months. Already after 2 weeks at a smidgen lower I'm feeling it. And dang, I've also given up drinking which is seeming like a masochistic idea about now.

 

Re: Coming off zoloft BarbaraCat

Posted by Rach on July 19, 2002, at 22:44:37

In reply to Re: Coming off zoloft Rach, posted by BarbaraCat on July 19, 2002, at 21:36:55

Gosh, be very careful. Keep your wits about you, maybe keep a diary of how you are feeling so that you can recognise easily if you've gone too far; put your body through too much. As we've both expressed, the last thing you want is to end up in a crumpled heap again.

Best of luck, you know we're here if you need to scream.
Rachael

 

Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft

Posted by bigbluez on January 9, 2003, at 13:12:16

In reply to Re: withdrawal symptoms coming off zoloft, posted by F Cardin on August 26, 2000, at 23:02:18

My doctor prescribed zoloft saying, "I WOULD FEEL BETTER". Well, he didn't tell me about the withdrawl side effects I would experience.I thought I was dying. I was constantly dizzy, had extreme nausea, and wanted to sleep through it all. Which was impossible since I had to care for my baby boy. I was put on zoloft because after I had my son, my hormones went crazy. Yes, the zoloft did help me through that rough time, but for God's sake doctors need to tell their patients about EVERY POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECT!!!!!


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