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Posted by manowar on December 22, 2001, at 14:29:21
In reply to Provigil Olmifon (adrafinil) vs Stims, posted by IsoM on December 22, 2001, at 13:36:58
> I don't have social phobia but do HATE being around people when depressed - I don't particularily like people then.
>
> But in using adrafinil & previously Ritalin & Dexedrine, adrafinil wins hands down for me. I never would've realised how good it was if I hadn't tried it. It didn't just help my problem staying awake but a number of other things bugging me that I'd never expected it to affect.That's great to hear! I just started taking Adrafinil today. What is your doseage? How long have you been taking it?
Posted by IsoM on December 22, 2001, at 16:12:33
In reply to Re: Provigil Olmifon (adrafinil) vs Stims » IsoM, posted by manowar on December 22, 2001, at 14:29:21
I've been taking it for a little over one month - there's 40 tabs in a package & I initially started on one/day just to see if there were side-effects or any problems. I believe in caution.
After a couple of weeks on it & noticing some improvements, I went to 1 1/2 tabs/day. I'm not trying to get real energetic but to mostly stop the milder symptoms of narcolepsy I have - to help me stay awake & focused. So I'm quite happy with just the 1 1/2 tablet a day (300mg). But all the other benefits are like icing on the cake. I could honestly see myself being psychologically dependent on it - not physically. I didn't know what it's like to feel normal till now. For me, alert & focused always meant either hyper or wired - calm & relaxed meant falling asleep. Adrafinil makes me both calm, relaxed & mellow while still being totally alert & focused. I didn't believe it possible! And I've noticed an elevation in my general mood - peaceful, gentle, emotionally loving, & mellow. PLUS I'm quietly feeling motivated now. No get-up-and-accomplish-great-things type fiery motivation, just a quiet go-happily-about-my-business motivation. I don't feel like lying in bed doing nothing.
Trouble is I screwed up the ordering (just ordered one package the first time) & have run out for a week now. I am eagerly awaiting my order to come in next week. I really miss the difference.
I'm not quite as tired yet as before, so the benefits stay awhile & don't disappear immediately like stims do, but I'm getting scatter-brained again. Two of my sons always said I made the perfect absent-minded professor for shows, except I'm female. (Oh well, the stereotype should be changed, hey?)
What I am REALLY relieved to find about stopping for a while is that it doesn't have any nasty withdrawal effects like so many other meds do!
Sorry for such a long posting - but I've always had a tendency to run off at the mouth & tell things in greater detail than anyone ever wanted to know. :)
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> That's great to hear! I just started taking Adrafinil today. What is your doseage? How long have you been taking it?
Posted by 3 Beer Effect on December 23, 2001, at 23:13:35
In reply to Re: Social phobia topic » geno, posted by kregpark@yahoo.com on December 22, 2001, at 2:29:28
> I was on Dexedrine 5 mg in morning & 5 mg at night for a month. It makes it easier to talk to people (social disinhibitor) and you talk much more than if you weren't taking it. Ironically, you would think it would cause more anxiety so you wouldn't be able to talk to people, but at low doses (5 mg dex or 10 mg Adderall) it causes a well-being euphoria "I am the sh*t" feeling instead of anxiety. Good confidence booster.
Adderall also has similar social effects but is only half as strong as dexedrine.
I took ritalin for a long time and it made me act weird around people. I don't think it is a good drug for social disinhibition. It tends to make you "nerdy" and talk about stuff that blonde sorority girls you want to talk to don't understand & then they think your a dork.
Not so with Dexedrine or Adderall, those are both a good pre-party drug in low doses, but too high a dose might may you paranoid.Also, good for hangovers but not as good as cocaine for hangovers (but way cheaper!)
So anyone who has both ADD & Social Phobia, I would recommend Dexedrine or Adderall instead of Ritalin. But watch out for outrageous weight loss. I am a skinny tall guy & lost 1 pound bodyweight per day- food is kind of gross when you are wired on amphetamines. There should be a law that all fat women should have to take Dexedrine one hour before every meal and whola!- No more fat women!!!!!!
Posted by kregpark@yahoo.com on December 24, 2001, at 2:06:06
In reply to Dexedrine 5 mg 2x per day good social disinhibitor, posted by 3 Beer Effect on December 23, 2001, at 23:13:35
1 question:
With Dexedrine working so well for you, why did you stop after just 1 month?
kp
> I was on Dexedrine 5 mg in morning & 5 mg at night for a month. It makes it easier to talk to people (social disinhibitor) and you talk much more than if you weren't taking it. Ironically, you would think it would cause more anxiety so you wouldn't be able to talk to people, but at low doses (5 mg dex or 10 mg Adderall) it causes a well-being euphoria "I am the sh*t" feeling instead of anxiety. Good confidence booster.
>
> Adderall also has similar social effects but is only half as strong as dexedrine.
>
> I took ritalin for a long time and it made me act weird around people. I don't think it is a good drug for social disinhibition. It tends to make you "nerdy" and talk about stuff that blonde sorority girls you want to talk to don't understand & then they think your a dork.
> Not so with Dexedrine or Adderall, those are both a good pre-party drug in low doses, but too high a dose might may you paranoid.
>
> Also, good for hangovers but not as good as cocaine for hangovers (but way cheaper!)
>
> So anyone who has both ADD & Social Phobia, I would recommend Dexedrine or Adderall instead of Ritalin. But watch out for outrageous weight loss. I am a skinny tall guy & lost 1 pound bodyweight per day- food is kind of gross when you are wired on amphetamines. There should be a law that all fat women should have to take Dexedrine one hour before every meal and whola!- No more fat women!!!!!!
Posted by manowar on December 24, 2001, at 10:16:24
In reply to Olmifon (adrafinil) » manowar, posted by IsoM on December 22, 2001, at 16:12:33
Please, don't be sorry for long postings; I enjoy reading them. I did the same thing you did; I ordered the small box of 40. I hate ordering in such small quantities, but it's better than wasting money on meds you'll never use (I could start a small pharmacy with all the disbanded meds I have in my med drawer). I haven't noticed any benefit yet from the Adrafinil, but I've only been taking it for a few days. I'm going to order the big box this time. My pdoc took my off the pstims last week, because they weren't helping me at all (I was in a very bad way w/out a mood stabilizer). I'm happy to say that he put me back on my Klonipin, which seems to calm my brain.
I guess the next order of business is to find me a good AD. I'm going to ask him about Modafinil. I'm surprised that he's never mentioned that drug before, being that he specializes in ADD.
It would be heaven to find a drug that conquered depression and ADD at the same time, wouldn't it?
Merry Christmas,Tim
> I've been taking it for a little over one month - there's 40 tabs in a package & I initially started on one/day just to see if there were side-effects or any problems. I believe in caution.
>
> After a couple of weeks on it & noticing some improvements, I went to 1 1/2 tabs/day. I'm not trying to get real energetic but to mostly stop the milder symptoms of narcolepsy I have - to help me stay awake & focused. So I'm quite happy with just the 1 1/2 tablet a day (300mg). But all the other benefits are like icing on the cake. I could honestly see myself being psychologically dependent on it - not physically. I didn't know what it's like to feel normal till now. For me, alert & focused always meant either hyper or wired - calm & relaxed meant falling asleep. Adrafinil makes me both calm, relaxed & mellow while still being totally alert & focused. I didn't believe it possible! And I've noticed an elevation in my general mood - peaceful, gentle, emotionally loving, & mellow. PLUS I'm quietly feeling motivated now. No get-up-and-accomplish-great-things type fiery motivation, just a quiet go-happily-about-my-business motivation. I don't feel like lying in bed doing nothing.
>
> Trouble is I screwed up the ordering (just ordered one package the first time) & have run out for a week now. I am eagerly awaiting my order to come in next week. I really miss the difference.
>
> I'm not quite as tired yet as before, so the benefits stay awhile & don't disappear immediately like stims do, but I'm getting scatter-brained again. Two of my sons always said I made the perfect absent-minded professor for shows, except I'm female. (Oh well, the stereotype should be changed, hey?)
>
> What I am REALLY relieved to find about stopping for a while is that it doesn't have any nasty withdrawal effects like so many other meds do!
>
> Sorry for such a long posting - but I've always had a tendency to run off at the mouth & tell things in greater detail than anyone ever wanted to know. :)
>
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> > That's great to hear! I just started taking Adrafinil today. What is your doseage? How long have you been taking it?
Posted by 3 Beer Effect on December 24, 2001, at 14:30:17
In reply to Re: Dexedrine 5 mg 2x per day good social disinhib » 3 Beer Effect, posted by kregpark@yahoo.com on December 24, 2001, at 2:06:06
>My doctor took them away because I overdosed on Soma pain pills & ended up in the hospital. (I only meant to take 3 but I guess I blacked out & ended up taking 11.)
1 question:
>
> With Dexedrine working so well for you, why did you stop after just 1 month?
>
> kp
>
> http://www.socialfear.com/
>
>
> > I was on Dexedrine 5 mg in morning & 5 mg at night for a month. It makes it easier to talk to people (social disinhibitor) and you talk much more than if you weren't taking it. Ironically, you would think it would cause more anxiety so you wouldn't be able to talk to people, but at low doses (5 mg dex or 10 mg Adderall) it causes a well-being euphoria "I am the sh*t" feeling instead of anxiety. Good confidence booster.
> >
> > Adderall also has similar social effects but is only half as strong as dexedrine.
> >
> > I took ritalin for a long time and it made me act weird around people. I don't think it is a good drug for social disinhibition. It tends to make you "nerdy" and talk about stuff that blonde sorority girls you want to talk to don't understand & then they think your a dork.
> > Not so with Dexedrine or Adderall, those are both a good pre-party drug in low doses, but too high a dose might may you paranoid.
> >
> > Also, good for hangovers but not as good as cocaine for hangovers (but way cheaper!)
> >
> > So anyone who has both ADD & Social Phobia, I would recommend Dexedrine or Adderall instead of Ritalin. But watch out for outrageous weight loss. I am a skinny tall guy & lost 1 pound bodyweight per day- food is kind of gross when you are wired on amphetamines. There should be a law that all fat women should have to take Dexedrine one hour before every meal and whola!- No more fat women!!!!!!
Posted by IsoM on December 25, 2001, at 0:31:53
In reply to Re: Olmifon (adrafinil) » IsoM, posted by manowar on December 24, 2001, at 10:16:24
I can't say whether the adrafinil would eliminate my depression completely. I also take Celexa which works pretty good for me - no side-effects either - but doesn't give me motivation. In Canada & the States, I think Provigil (modafinil) is just used for narcolepsy & maybe doctors don't have any North American studies supporting it for depression. It's used for depression in Europe, I read, as well as other problems.
When I was young, I always envied kids who had drive & ambition. I never knew the reason why I didn't have any drive like they did. I had plenty of smarts & aspirations, but never seemed to have the drive to make it materialise & I'm not lazy. I think I understand myself now.
Be patient with waiting for effects. Placebo effects just don't work with me. Even if my hopes have been real high with a drug & I completely expected it to work, if it wasn't effective chemically & physically for me, nothing happened. It took about a week for me to start noticing subtle differences & I wasn't even sure I might not be imaging it. It wasn't until the first package was finished that I knew for a CERTAINTY that it worked great. You may need more than 1 1/2 pills (300mg) that works for me.
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> Please, don't be sorry for long postings; I enjoy reading them. I did the same thing you did; I ordered the small box of 40. I hate ordering in such small quantities, but it's better than wasting money on meds you'll never use (I could start a small pharmacy with all the disbanded meds I have in my med drawer). I haven't noticed any benefit yet from the Adrafinil, but I've only been taking it for a few days. I'm going to order the big box this time. My pdoc took my off the pstims last week, because they weren't helping me at all (I was in a very bad way w/out a mood stabilizer). I'm happy to say that he put me back on my Klonipin, which seems to calm my brain.
>
> I guess the next order of business is to find me a good AD. I'm going to ask him about Modafinil. I'm surprised that he's never mentioned that drug before, being that he specializes in ADD.
>
> It would be heaven to find a drug that conquered depression and ADD at the same time, wouldn't it?
> Merry Christmas,
>
> Tim
>
>
> > I've been taking it for a little over one month - there's 40 tabs in a package & I initially started on one/day just to see if there were side-effects or any problems. I believe in caution.
> >
> > After a couple of weeks on it & noticing some improvements, I went to 1 1/2 tabs/day. I'm not trying to get real energetic but to mostly stop the milder symptoms of narcolepsy I have - to help me stay awake & focused. So I'm quite happy with just the 1 1/2 tablet a day (300mg). But all the other benefits are like icing on the cake. I could honestly see myself being psychologically dependent on it - not physically. I didn't know what it's like to feel normal till now. For me, alert & focused always meant either hyper or wired - calm & relaxed meant falling asleep. Adrafinil makes me both calm, relaxed & mellow while still being totally alert & focused. I didn't believe it possible! And I've noticed an elevation in my general mood - peaceful, gentle, emotionally loving, & mellow. PLUS I'm quietly feeling motivated now. No get-up-and-accomplish-great-things type fiery motivation, just a quiet go-happily-about-my-business motivation. I don't feel like lying in bed doing nothing.
> >
> > Trouble is I screwed up the ordering (just ordered one package the first time) & have run out for a week now. I am eagerly awaiting my order to come in next week. I really miss the difference.
> >
> > I'm not quite as tired yet as before, so the benefits stay awhile & don't disappear immediately like stims do, but I'm getting scatter-brained again. Two of my sons always said I made the perfect absent-minded professor for shows, except I'm female. (Oh well, the stereotype should be changed, hey?)
> >
> > What I am REALLY relieved to find about stopping for a while is that it doesn't have any nasty withdrawal effects like so many other meds do!
> >
> > Sorry for such a long posting - but I've always had a tendency to run off at the mouth & tell things in greater detail than anyone ever wanted to know. :)
> >
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> > > That's great to hear! I just started taking Adrafinil today. What is your doseage? How long have you been taking it?
Posted by Collette1 on December 31, 2001, at 16:30:33
In reply to Re: Olmifon (adrafinil) » manowar, posted by IsoM on December 25, 2001, at 0:31:53
I want to be in this thread. I will be starting a trial of Provigal within the next few days. I also have a supply of adrafinil, but my pdoc want me to start with Provigil(samples) to see how it affects me. I am not totally sure why, but it might be because he is familiar with Provigil. If it works, he is not opposed to my trying adrafinil to see if it is as effective (It's WAY cheaper!)Collette
Posted by IsoM on December 31, 2001, at 16:49:49
In reply to Re: Olmifon (adrafinil), posted by Collette1 on December 31, 2001, at 16:30:33
Posted by Collette1 on January 3, 2002, at 11:06:07
In reply to Re: Olmifon (adrafinil), posted by Collette1 on December 31, 2001, at 16:30:33
> I want to be in this thread. I will be starting a trial of Provigal within the next few days. I also have a supply of adrafinil, but my pdoc want me to start with Provigil(samples) to see how it affects me. I am not totally sure why, but it might be because he is familiar with Provigil. If it works, he is not opposed to my trying adrafinil to see if it is as effective (It's WAY cheaper!)Collette
Ok, hear is my update. I started Provigil 3 days ago. My Pdoc gave me 200mg tablets and told me to take in the AM before food. I made a mistake and took the first one about 1-2 hours AFTER I had eaten. Didn't feel anything special on that day. The 2nd day I had some nausea and otherwise, not much effect yet. Today, I feel lousy. I can't even tell if I am hungry or have no appetite because of the nausea. I did a major search here and have come to the conclusion that: I need to start at a much lower dose( I'm thinking 50mg) and/or I need to take this pill with food. Does anyone have any advice for me? Actually, what I FEEL like doing is not taking any more of this at all! I will appreciate any input. Thanks, Collette
Posted by Rick on January 3, 2002, at 12:32:29
In reply to started trial of Provigil...help??, posted by Collette1 on January 3, 2002, at 11:06:07
What other psychotropic or non-psychotropic meds and/or supplements are you taking the Provigil with? That can make a difference -- not that I can give you any specific rundown of what works, other than my own experience. For me Provigil's been a great help from day one with combined Serzone and Klonopin, at 100 mg/day first thing in the morning, with an occasional spike to 200 (but I don't stay at that level for more than a few days, otherwise I get a bit wired). A few things I've noticed: 1) An initial euphoria effect that wears off after a few days 2) Brief, occasional poop-out days 3) Also, works well when I take it with Klonopin *without* the Serzone (curently experimenting with that), but in that case seems to raise my blood pressure and heart rate some, especially at the higher dose 4) The nootropic memory-enhancing claim doesn't seem to apply in my case, especially when I'm taking Serzone. (Despite its reputation, low-dose Klonopin doesn't seem to have a significant amnesic effect for me)
Most importantly, Provigil makes a BIG addition to my social phobia treatment. Since taking it, I've had several comments about how I seem so much more confident and self-assured (not always in thsoe words, of course). And this has all happened *after* Klonopin had already done so much to treat my basic fear of social interaction.
Depending on your weight and med sensitivity, maybe 50 mg *would* make more sense to try, at least as a start. And again, it can make a big difference re what else, if anything, you're taking. (For all I know, without the Klonopin Provigil could make me MORE anxious.) It may not be for you, but consider the factors I others mention, and give it a fair trial.
Good Luck,
Rick> > I want to be in this thread. I will be starting a trial of Provigal within the next few days. I also have a supply of adrafinil, but my pdoc want me to start with Provigil(samples) to see how it affects me. I am not totally sure why, but it might be because he is familiar with Provigil. If it works, he is not opposed to my trying adrafinil to see if it is as effective (It's WAY cheaper!)Collette
>
> Ok, hear is my update. I started Provigil 3 days ago. My Pdoc gave me 200mg tablets and told me to take in the AM before food. I made a mistake and took the first one about 1-2 hours AFTER I had eaten. Didn't feel anything special on that day. The 2nd day I had some nausea and otherwise, not much effect yet. Today, I feel lousy. I can't even tell if I am hungry or have no appetite because of the nausea. I did a major search here and have come to the conclusion that: I need to start at a much lower dose( I'm thinking 50mg) and/or I need to take this pill with food. Does anyone have any advice for me? Actually, what I FEEL like doing is not taking any more of this at all! I will appreciate any input. Thanks, Collette
Posted by IsoM on January 3, 2002, at 14:12:47
In reply to started trial of Provigil...help??, posted by Collette1 on January 3, 2002, at 11:06:07
hi Collette. I feel a certain responsibility to someone when I mention how good a med works for me & they end up with side-effects instead.
I did a search about Provigil & nausea and found on Sleep.net forums some comments from other users of Provigil. Many had no nausea at all, but for those who did, it seems that the nausea fades. A few have had nausea off & on for a long time, & one user had felt just awful on Provigil, not just nausea but headaches, sleeplessness, sore throat, the works - to the point where she discontinued it.
I know I have a hard time putting up with nausea from meds - no tolerance for nausea. I stuck with Prozac for 5-6 weeks waiting for it to work. I had nausea the whole time & no benefits, so I quit it. When I tried Zoloft, I always threw up less than an hour after taking it. I could see the dissolved pill remains, so that was out for me.
If you think you can manage the nausea for a while, give it a try to see if it fades. I never take any pills first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Water on an empty stomach in the morning gives me cramps & nausea. I drink "baby" tea - hot, sweet, & lots of milk in it. It's the first thing I drink in the morning & I take my meds with it. See if taking your meds first thing in the morn with a warm, sweet drink helps (unless warm sweet drinks make you sick!). I don't eat for a half-hour to hour afterwards.
Seeing I take adrafinil rather than modafinil, I don't know if there'd be differences but I don't think so. One person in Sleep.net said the nausea lasted about a month before it faded away.
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> > I want to be in this thread. I will be starting a trial of Provigal within the next few days. I also have a supply of adrafinil, but my pdoc want me to start with Provigil(samples) to see how it affects me. I am not totally sure why, but it might be because he is familiar with Provigil. If it works, he is not opposed to my trying adrafinil to see if it is as effective (It's WAY cheaper!)Collette
>
> Ok, hear is my update. I started Provigil 3 days ago. My Pdoc gave me 200mg tablets and told me to take in the AM before food. I made a mistake and took the first one about 1-2 hours AFTER I had eaten. Didn't feel anything special on that day. The 2nd day I had some nausea and otherwise, not much effect yet. Today, I feel lousy. I can't even tell if I am hungry or have no appetite because of the nausea. I did a major search here and have come to the conclusion that: I need to start at a much lower dose( I'm thinking 50mg) and/or I need to take this pill with food. Does anyone have any advice for me? Actually, what I FEEL like doing is not taking any more of this at all! I will appreciate any input. Thanks, Collette
Posted by Collette1 on January 3, 2002, at 15:09:49
In reply to Maybe some hints for Provigil?? » Collette1, posted by IsoM on January 3, 2002, at 14:12:47
Thanks for the responses. I must add that it is now evening and I have spent the day getting progressively sicker and now have a VERY painful sore throat and sinus infection. I think this illness is IN NO WAY a "side effect" but it may have made the pill reaction seem much worse! I am going to stop for a few days since I just started, and when I start my trial again, I will try 50 mgs and drink *my* sweet coffee with milk first! I'll be back to report at that time. Collette
Posted by IsoM on January 3, 2002, at 15:26:43
In reply to an Update update..., posted by Collette1 on January 3, 2002, at 15:09:49
Collette, just a note. Keep track of whether you seem to get sicker (infections) on Provigil. Some people feel their immune system becomes weaker. I've got one thing going for me at least - I never get sick. You can have a flu & sneeze in my face & I won't get sick. I only got pneumonia under the great stress of my marriage breakup & a son wanting to commit suicide. But others find they get sick easier on Provigil. Maybe some extra vitamins may help.
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> Thanks for the responses. I must add that it is now evening and I have spent the day getting progressively sicker and now have a VERY painful sore throat and sinus infection. I think this illness is IN NO WAY a "side effect" but it may have made the pill reaction seem much worse! I am going to stop for a few days since I just started, and when I start my trial again, I will try 50 mgs and drink *my* sweet coffee with milk first! I'll be back to report at that time. Collette
Posted by manowar on January 3, 2002, at 16:21:30
In reply to Re: an Update update..., posted by IsoM on January 3, 2002, at 15:26:43
I would just like to say that I'm very happy to be off the typical pstims. I just started 300 mg of Modafinil yest, and I've been taking Adrafinil before that for about 1 1/2 weeks.
I'll tell you why I don't like the normal pstims: The effect of the drugs is so immediate, and its like if I did something creative, I didn't take credit for it-- I thought it was the drug. I don't like psychological dependence, and now I know why pdocs are very reluctant to use typical pstims.
I hope the Modafinil works; I need to give it time.
Posted by IsoM on January 3, 2002, at 16:34:52
In reply to Provigil-Modafinil-Adrafinil, posted by manowar on January 3, 2002, at 16:21:30
Keep us up-dated on how you find it working, please. I know how well it works for me but want to hear from others. My wonder drug isn't necessarily other's wonder drug.
Did you feel an immediate effect, manowar? Cause I know it took about a week for me to notice anything. Many said the first dose gave them a lift, but not me.
I know what you mean about other stims. I can feel my mood rise & then drop as it wears off. I want to feel normal all the time, not like a sine wave.
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> I would just like to say that I'm very happy to be off the typical pstims. I just started 300 mg of Modafinil yest, and I've been taking Adrafinil before that for about 1 1/2 weeks.
>
> I'll tell you why I don't like the normal pstims: The effect of the drugs is so immediate, and its like if I did something creative, I didn't take credit for it-- I thought it was the drug. I don't like psychological dependence, and now I know why pdocs are very reluctant to use typical pstims.
>
> I hope the Modafinil works; I need to give it time.
Posted by manowar on January 3, 2002, at 20:12:52
In reply to Re: Provigil-Modafinil-Adrafinil? » manowar, posted by IsoM on January 3, 2002, at 16:34:52
Hello IsoM,
> Keep us up-dated on how you find it working, please. I know how well it works for me but want to hear from others. My wonder drug isn't necessarily other's wonder drug.
>
> Did you feel an immediate effect, manowar? Cause I know it took about a week for me to notice anything. Many said the first dose gave them a lift, but not me.Not at all. I felt nothing, and still don't.
When I took the Adrafinil I felt no side effects, but I didn't seem to experience any noticeable change in mood either. I guess for me it has to build up in my system. Funny thing is, I've been more vigilant over the last week. I mean it's hard to explain. It's like I don't mind doing the dishes, cleaning the bathroom, cooking dinner--generally functioning like a normal human being. My cognitive abilities have increased dramatically, for sure. Give me a couple more weeks, and I'll be able to give you a more definitive answer whether the drug is working or not. I might just be on a positive mood swing, and it may have nothing to do with the Adrafinil/Provigil. But I'm very optimistic at this point. I use the Burns Depression Index twice a week to chart my moods. For the last week and a half I've been in complete remission!(Doesn't this post sound much like your post to me about 2-3 weeks ago:))
> I know what you mean about other stims. I can feel my mood rise & then drop as it wears off. I want to feel normal all the time, not like a sine wave.That's a good one. I remember depending on pills throughout the day to help my mood; what a drag. I like the typical AD effect much better. I feel less like a druggy.
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> > I would just like to say that I'm very happy to be off the typical pstims. I just started 300 mg of Modafinil yest, and I've been taking Adrafinil before that for about 1 1/2 weeks.
> >
> > I'll tell you why I don't like the normal pstims: The effect of the drugs is so immediate, and its like if I did something creative, I didn't take credit for it-- I thought it was the drug. I don't like psychological dependence, and now I know why pdocs are very reluctant to use typical pstims.
> >
> > I hope the Modafinil works; I need to give it time.--Tim
Posted by JGalt on January 4, 2002, at 0:29:44
In reply to Re: an Update update..., posted by IsoM on January 3, 2002, at 15:26:43
> Collette, just a note. Keep track of whether you seem to get sicker (infections) on Provigil. Some people feel their immune system becomes weaker. I've got one thing going for me at least - I never get sick. You can have a flu & sneeze in my face & I won't get sick. I only got pneumonia under the great stress of my marriage breakup & a son wanting to commit suicide. But others find they get sick easier on Provigil. Maybe some extra vitamins may help. > >
IsoM, I realize this is almost completely off topic but can you attribute anything to your immunity. I don't seem to get much either, except occasional sinus infections and a chronically congested nose/throat. I still catch colds every once in a while, though most drug stores have that nose spray (Zicort or something along those lines) that has been proven to make them go away faster...works for me. I also take vit. c, vit. e, and all the B's. What do you recommend?
JGalt
Posted by IsoM on January 4, 2002, at 1:31:53
In reply to Re: Provigil-Modafinil-Adrafinil? » IsoM, posted by manowar on January 3, 2002, at 20:12:52
< ....Funny thing is, I've been more vigilant over the last week. I mean it's hard to explain. It's like I don't mind doing the dishes, cleaning the bathroom, cooking dinner--generally functioning like a normal human being. My cognitive abilities have increased dramatically, for sure.
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Yes, your post sounds much like mine did. I'm so glad for you! All the ordinary humdrum things became enjoyable to do. And it feels like I really have a brain again. I've got an IQ way up there (no boasting, just stating facts) but a lot of good it did me when I couldn't seem to remember what I was even thinking about, or would be in the middle of a sentence & wonder what I was talking about.
My Mom told me when I was little, I was always singing. I do remember my brothers asking her to make me shut up. I wasn't even conscious of starting again, but lately, I'd find myself working at something & quietly singing or humming to myself. It's a sign of the improvement in my mood.
Posted by IsoM on January 4, 2002, at 1:40:37
In reply to Re: an Update update... IsoM, posted by JGalt on January 4, 2002, at 0:29:44
I don't mind telling you, John, but why not e-mail me & I'll explain more. It's not some special brand of vitamins/minerals/herbs or anything like that, but I hate explaining much more here as it may sound like I'm some sort of nut to others. I can't even be sure if what I think may be the cause is actually the reason but what I've read suggests that it may be.
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> IsoM, I realize this is almost completely off topic but can you attribute anything to your immunity. I don't seem to get much either, except occasional sinus infections and a chronically congested nose/throat. I still catch colds every once in a while, though most drug stores have that nose spray (Zicort or something along those lines) that has been proven to make them go away faster...works for me. I also take vit. c, vit. e, and all the B's. What do you recommend?
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> JGalt
Posted by kregpark@yahoo.com on January 4, 2002, at 3:22:26
In reply to Re: Provigil-Modafinil-Adrafinil? » IsoM, posted by manowar on January 3, 2002, at 20:12:52
Not sure if you knew it or not but Pro"vigil" is named as such for it's "vigilance" promoting effects. I'm not certain but I think the term is even used in the PDR writeup. Anyhow - speaking of vigilance I have got to put vigilance to bed and choose to sleep!! Anybody else noticing that they're choosing not to sleep as much sometimes? :)
kregpark
p.s. amisulpride so far so good actually excellent. If it keeps up I'll post more but right now I'm just adding 12.5mg to 60Nardil+2.5Klonopin+100Provigil. For now I'm with Nardil but would like to try a switch to Eldepryl if this keeps working so well.
> Not at all. I felt nothing, and still don't.
> When I took the Adrafinil I felt no side effects, but I didn't seem to experience any noticeable change in mood either. I guess for me it has to build up in my system. Funny thing is, I've been more vigilant over the last week. I mean it's hard to explain. It's like I don't mind doing the dishes, cleaning the bathroom, cooking dinner--generally functioning like a normal human being. My cognitive abilities have increased dramatically, for sure. Give me a couple more weeks, and I'll be able to give you a more definitive answer whether the drug is working or not. I might just be on a positive mood swing, and it may have nothing to do with the Adrafinil/Provigil. But I'm very optimistic at this point. I use the Burns Depression Index twice a week to chart my moods. For the last week and a half I've been in complete remission!
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> (Doesn't this post sound much like your post to me about 2-3 weeks ago:))
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> > I know what you mean about other stims. I can feel my mood rise & then drop as it wears off. I want to feel normal all the time, not like a sine wave.
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> That's a good one. I remember depending on pills throughout the day to help my mood; what a drag. I like the typical AD effect much better. I feel less like a druggy.
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> > > I would just like to say that I'm very happy to be off the typical pstims. I just started 300 mg of Modafinil yest, and I've been taking Adrafinil before that for about 1 1/2 weeks.
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> > > I'll tell you why I don't like the normal pstims: The effect of the drugs is so immediate, and its like if I did something creative, I didn't take credit for it-- I thought it was the drug. I don't like psychological dependence, and now I know why pdocs are very reluctant to use typical pstims.
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> > > I hope the Modafinil works; I need to give it time.
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> --Tim
Posted by Hattree on January 4, 2002, at 9:41:47
In reply to Re: Provigil-Modafinil-Adrafinil? » manowar, posted by kregpark@yahoo.com on January 4, 2002, at 3:22:26
I find that I respond Modafinil more or less the same way as I respond to the more traditional stimulants. It varies from dex, adderall, and phentermine not much more than they vary among themselves. Anyone else?
Posted by Hattree on January 4, 2002, at 9:42:17
In reply to Re: Provigil-Modafinil-Adrafinil? » manowar, posted by kregpark@yahoo.com on January 4, 2002, at 3:22:26
I find that I respond Modafinil more or less the same way as I respond to the more traditional stimulants. It varies from dex, adderall, and phentermine not much more than they vary among themselves. Anyone else?
Posted by manowar on January 4, 2002, at 14:14:27
In reply to for manowar » manowar, posted by IsoM on January 4, 2002, at 1:31:53
> < ....Funny thing is, I've been more vigilant over the last week. I mean it's hard to explain. It's like I don't mind doing the dishes, cleaning the bathroom, cooking dinner--generally functioning like a normal human being. My cognitive abilities have increased dramatically, for sure.
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> Yes, your post sounds much like mine did. I'm so glad for you! All the ordinary humdrum things became enjoyable to do. And it feels like I really have a brain again. I've got an IQ way up there (no boasting, just stating facts) but a lot of good it did me when I couldn't seem to remember what I was even thinking about, or would be in the middle of a sentence & wonder what I was talking about.
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> My Mom told me when I was little, I was always singing. I do remember my brothers asking her to make me shut up. I wasn't even conscious of starting again, but lately, I'd find myself working at something & quietly singing or humming to myself. It's a sign of the improvement in my mood.
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I hope that you continue to do well. Thanks, for taking the time to share posts with me a few weeks ago concerning Adrafinil/Modafinil. I really think the Adrafinil/Modafinil have made a huge difference so far, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed:)--Tim
Posted by IsoM on January 4, 2002, at 14:27:36
In reply to I'm happy for ya. » IsoM, posted by manowar on January 4, 2002, at 14:14:27
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