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Posted by JDavid on December 21, 2001, at 10:56:45
Hi,
I've red something about this substance given from an herb and used like an activant and stimulant.
Any information about it?
Any experience about its use?
Therapic effects and side effects?
What dosage?
Thanks very much for your share and help!
David
Posted by IsoM on December 21, 2001, at 15:46:23
In reply to EPHEDRINE: What it is used for?, posted by JDavid on December 21, 2001, at 10:56:45
I know a couple of people only who have used this herbal supplement without any real problems. I'm expecting problems to arise with one as he combines it with large of amounts of coffee to stay awake for work. Not a good idea!!
Here's a link to read more about. Admittedly, it doesn't take a positive view of its use, but neither do I, but it IS factual.
http://www.ephedrine-ephedra.com/pages/what_is_ephedrine_1234.html
> Hi,
> I've red something about this substance given from an herb and used like an activant and stimulant.
> Any information about it?
> Any experience about its use?
> Therapic effects and side effects?
> What dosage?
> Thanks very much for your share and help!
> David
Posted by JGalt on December 21, 2001, at 16:10:32
In reply to EPHEDRINE: What it is used for?, posted by JDavid on December 21, 2001, at 10:56:45
> Any information about it?
Its an adregenic agonist type stimulant.
> Any experience about its use?
Works great as a decongestant, is nice as a stimulant though it should not be used in ppl w/ heart trouble or excessive anxiety. It does produce a significant amount of tolerance to its effects as well (caused by beta-2 downregulation). Its present in many over the counter cold remedies, as well as all those fat loss products that advertise "a burst of energy and appetite suppression causing you to burn more fat". It is an appetite suppresant. Many bodybuilders use it to loose fat as well because it tends to spare muscle tissue in favor of allowing fat to be used for energy. Seems to help w/ attention for me as well. I like it if you couldn't tell...I've come off it for weeks at a time and still tend to be more tired/fatigued/depressed than when I was on it.
> Therapic effects and side effects?
See above...side effects are primarily excessive stimulation, trachardyia, anxiety, irritability (at high doses) and withdraw symptoms (like most stimulants, you should taper it off when you decide to come off of it).
> What dosage?
Average dose is about 25mgs 2-3 times daily...maximum recommended dose is 125mg's (for once I agree w/ the FDA on this, at dosages higher than that the sides just become worse w/o increasing stimulation or causing a mood elevating effect). Don't take it if you have insomnia...or at least don't take it w/i 7 hrs of going to bed if you do.
JGalt
Posted by 3 Beer Effect on December 22, 2001, at 12:40:22
In reply to EPHEDRINE: What it is used for?, posted by JDavid on December 21, 2001, at 10:56:45
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ephedrine/ephedrine.shtml
The above link should give you some good info. You should know that there are 3 types of ephedrine. Ephedra (Ma Huang) is an herb that contains ephedrine alkaloids in it-not recommended. Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant used in cold medicines & has virtually no stimulant properties & therefore is probably a waste of time for you unless you have a cold.
The ephedrine that you want if you are looking for a stimulant is either ephedrine hydrochloride or ephedrine sulfate. This is synthetic ephedrine & is much safer than herbal Ephedra, Metabolife etc. since the quality controls are much better with 'synthetic' ephedrine. It also has stronger stimulant properties than Ephedra (Ma Huang).
Synthetic ephedrine is available in only 3 sources. Bronkaid Asthma tablets (25 mg ephedrine sulfate per tablet), Primatene Asthma tablets (12.5 mg ephedrine sulfate per tablet), Mini Two Way Action tablets (not the herbal mini-thins) (12.5 mg ephedrine hydrochloride per tablet).
Mini Two Way Action tablets are the strongest since ephedrine hydrochloride is slightly stronger than the ephedrine sulfate in Bronkaid & Primatene. I highly recommend to you Bronkaid Asthma tablets because of higher quality control & because they are available at every grocery & drug store while Mini two ways are only available at truck stops & dingy convenience stores in bad neighborhoods.
Synthetic ephedrine is always sold with an expectorant called Guaifenesin in it. Don't worry though, this ingredient doesn't do much of anything at all, is very safe, & it is in there primarily because it makes it impossible for criminals to manufacture methamphetamine from ephedrine tablets.
You should never take more than 100 mg in a 24 hour period. Ephedrine raises blood pressure & heart rate dramatically (more than amphetamines).
I found that 2 Bronkaid tablets (50 mg ephedrine) & one No Doz or Vivarin (Caffeine 200 mg) works very well as a stimulant to help you get up for work, & enables you to get more work done. Also, if you take this combination one hour before both breakfast & lunch, it is an excellent thermogenic weight loss medication. Do not take ephedrine after 2 pm or you will experience insomnia. If this combo feels to "speedy" to you then just take one 25 mg Bronkaid tablet instead of two.
Tolerance does build fast to ephedrine though. If you can get a prescription from your doctor for dexedrine, or adderall, or ritalin (all of which are attention deficit disorder & obesity medications) I would recommend those over ephedrine since they are much more effective & safer (less blood pressure increase).
Ephedrine or Ephedra (Ma Huang) therapeutic effects: Dry mouth, dry throat, decongestant, dries up excess phlegm, mucous in throat, relaxes chest muscle for easier breathing for asthmatics.
Ephedrine & Ephedrine (Ma Huang) Side Effects: rise in blood pressure, rapid heart beat, heart palpitations, nervousness, insomnia, "speed" feeling, loss of appetite, weight loss.
> Hi,
> I've red something about this substance given from an herb and used like an activant and stimulant.
> Any information about it?
> Any experience about its use?
> Therapic effects and side effects?
> What dosage?
> Thanks very much for your share and help!
> David
Posted by jay on December 23, 2001, at 2:37:34
In reply to EPHEDRINE: What it is used for?, posted by JDavid on December 21, 2001, at 10:56:45
I would caution against the use of this herb, in particular even if you are even mildly anxious, or especially if you have panic disorder or bipolar disorder.
I have a textbook case of Bipolar II, and this stuff sent me on a very wild and horrible dysphoric mania. It was quite close to rage. I can't even take the drug form, psuedoephedrine, (Psuedophed, and I believe Bronkaid).
Jay
> Hi,
> I've red something about this substance given from an herb and used like an activant and stimulant.
> Any information about it?
> Any experience about its use?
> Therapic effects and side effects?
> What dosage?
> Thanks very much for your share and help!
> David
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