Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 64056

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Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California

Posted by shelliR on May 23, 2001, at 23:13:58

Re: Paxil withdrawal lawsuit ("Nguyen & Farber v SmithKline). This post is not about the merits of the case, but I am curious if anyone knows why just Paxil was chosen as the target drug in this law suit (for lack of withdrawal warnings) over other possible choices like effexor or others?

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California shelliR

Posted by judy1 on May 23, 2001, at 23:23:38

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California , posted by shelliR on May 23, 2001, at 23:13:58

Shelli,
My shrink is part of this lawsuit- my understanding is that the withdrawal symptoms (which have been quite debilitating in many people) were never disclosed and that the pharm. co. was aware of them. It is also heavily advertised for panic attacks and some of his patients experienced their first pa's when starting this drug. Hope this helps- judy

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California judy1

Posted by shelliR on May 24, 2001, at 0:22:30

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California shelliR, posted by judy1 on May 23, 2001, at 23:23:38

> Shelli,
> My shrink is part of this lawsuit- my understanding is that the withdrawal symptoms (which have been quite debilitating in many people) were never disclosed and that the pharm. co. was aware of them. It is also heavily advertised for panic attacks and some of his patients experienced their first pa's when starting this drug. Hope this helps- judy

Hi Judi. I understand the lawsuit, but was just wondering why just Paxil, since there are so many drugs with the same withdrawal symptoms. Perhaps Paxil is just the first, and depending on the outcome, effexor and other drugs suits are waiting right behind. I know that Paxil has been out longer, so maybe that's why it's the first to be sued.

The lawsuit, as written, is really fascinating to read, I think.

Shelli

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California

Posted by SLS on May 24, 2001, at 8:29:06

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California judy1, posted by shelliR on May 24, 2001, at 0:22:30

> > Shelli,
> > My shrink is part of this lawsuit- my understanding is that the withdrawal symptoms (which have been quite debilitating in many people) were never disclosed and that the pharm. co. was aware of them. It is also heavily advertised for panic attacks and some of his patients experienced their first pa's when starting this drug. Hope this helps- judy
>
> Hi Judi. I understand the lawsuit, but was just wondering why just Paxil, since there are so many drugs with the same withdrawal symptoms. Perhaps Paxil is just the first, and depending on the outcome, effexor and other drugs suits are waiting right behind. I know that Paxil has been out longer, so maybe that's why it's the first to be sued.
>
> The lawsuit, as written, is really fascinating to read, I think.
>
> Shelli


Of the SSRIs, Paxil is the most likely to produce intense withdrawal symptoms, probably because of its having the shortest half-life.

Shelli, where did you get a copy of the lawsuit?

Thanks.


- Scott

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California

Posted by lissy on May 24, 2001, at 8:48:03

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California , posted by SLS on May 24, 2001, at 8:29:06

> > > Shelli,
> > > My shrink is part of this lawsuit- my understanding is that the withdrawal symptoms (which have been quite debilitating in many people) were never disclosed and that the pharm. co. was aware of them. It is also heavily advertised for panic attacks and some of his patients experienced their first pa's when starting this drug. Hope this helps- judy
> >
> > Hi Judi. I understand the lawsuit, but was just wondering why just Paxil, since there are so many drugs with the same withdrawal symptoms. Perhaps Paxil is just the first, and depending on the outcome, effexor and other drugs suits are waiting right behind. I know that Paxil has been out longer, so maybe that's why it's the first to be sued.
> >
> > The lawsuit, as written, is really fascinating to read, I think.
> >
> > Shelli
>
> I was on Paxil and Effexor and though I had withdrawals w/both the Effexor was the most horrible! I do wish someone would bring on a lawsuit against paxil for the weight gain. I have been off it a year now and I still cannot get back to normal it is like it has permanently altered my metabolism!
> Of the SSRIs, Paxil is the most likely to produce intense withdrawal symptoms, probably because of its having the shortest half-life.
>
> Shelli, where did you get a copy of the lawsuit?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> - Scott

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California SLS

Posted by shelliR on May 24, 2001, at 11:03:38

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California , posted by SLS on May 24, 2001, at 8:29:06

> Of the SSRIs, Paxil is the most likely to produce intense withdrawal symptoms, probably because of its having the shortest half-life.

You're right, the law suit does compare the half-life to zoloft and prozac. But with several friends and on this board, it always seems like effexor is the hardest to get off. I guess there are just more effexor users on this board than paxil users which would make sense with trd.
>

> Shelli, where did you get a copy of the lawsuit?

http://paxil.bizland.com/californialawsuit.htm


Shelli

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California

Posted by judy1 on May 24, 2001, at 11:50:13

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California judy1, posted by shelliR on May 24, 2001, at 0:22:30

Sorry, i didn't get the gist of your question the first time. There is a great deal of documentation on the withdrawal symptoms in a large patient base in California- I was questioned probably a year ago about my personal reaction. I agree it is probably the first of many to come- it's just that it is so heavily advertised as a first line treatment in panic disorder and many shrinks were seeing extreme withdrawal in their patients and were never informed or passed that info on to their patients. There's a board where people are sharing their symptoms and it's quite frightening to read. Hope you are well- judy

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California

Posted by blackjack on May 24, 2001, at 21:55:22

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California SLS, posted by shelliR on May 24, 2001, at 11:03:38

Y'know, this lawsuit would have a much better chance if they didn't keep referring to Paxil withdrawl in terms of "addiction." Paxil is not addictive. It does not produce a craving for more Paxil. It does not cause people to seek out the drug despite negative consequences. It doesn't produce a tolerence. It just has a withdrawl syndrome. While most addictive drugs have withrawl symptoms, simply having withdrawl symptoms does not make a drug addictive.

This suit's merits would be much stronger if it focussed on the possibility that SKB failed to accurately report negative side effects when they became aware of them. By talking about Paxil like it was Morphine, they are undermining their own case.

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California blackjack

Posted by judy1 on May 25, 2001, at 11:03:51

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California , posted by blackjack on May 24, 2001, at 21:55:22

Oh please, the lawsuit is making a point that in order to prevent withdrawal effects the patient HAS to go back on paxil to function. Not unlike morphine.... judy

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California blackjack

Posted by Cam W. on May 25, 2001, at 11:33:23

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California , posted by blackjack on May 24, 2001, at 21:55:22

Blackjack - I agree with you. Just let me know if anyone starts drug-seeking for Paxil or Effexor. I believe that I have a line on some samples and we could make a fortune (LOL) ;^)
- Cam

BTW - I am very interested on how this will turn out.


> Y'know, this lawsuit would have a much better chance if they didn't keep referring to Paxil withdrawl in terms of "addiction." Paxil is not addictive. It does not produce a craving for more Paxil. It does not cause people to seek out the drug despite negative consequences. It doesn't produce a tolerence. It just has a withdrawl syndrome. While most addictive drugs have withrawl symptoms, simply having withdrawl symptoms does not make a drug addictive.
>
> This suit's merits would be much stronger if it focussed on the possibility that SKB failed to accurately report negative side effects when they became aware of them. By talking about Paxil like it was Morphine, they are undermining their own case.

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California

Posted by blackjack on May 25, 2001, at 16:20:13

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California blackjack, posted by judy1 on May 25, 2001, at 11:03:51

> Oh please, the lawsuit is making a point that in order to prevent withdrawal effects the patient HAS to go back on paxil to function. Not unlike morphine.... judy

Except that once the withdrawl symptoms are gone, the person never again has craving to take Paxil. Totally unlike morphine. And they don't have to keep increasing their dosage to stave off withdrawl. Totally unlike morphine. And the symptoms can be treated by briefly adding a longer-acting drug, like Prozac, to level out the chemical changes.

The language of the lawsuit is deceptive and manipulative. It tries to make it sound like SKB knowingly introduced an abusable, addictive drug to the market without proper warnings. That just isn't the case.

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California blackjack

Posted by judy1 on May 25, 2001, at 16:36:47

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California , posted by blackjack on May 25, 2001, at 16:20:13

It tries to make it sound like SKB knowingly introduced an abusable, addictive drug to the market without proper warnings. That just isn't the case.

Oh I'm sure that would NEVER happen, a pharmaceutical co. deliberately creating an addictive drug that would generate more profits- judy (a former employee of Johnson and Johnson)

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California blackjack

Posted by Diane J. on May 25, 2001, at 18:33:51

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California , posted by blackjack on May 24, 2001, at 21:55:22

I wholeheartedly agree with you, blackjack. I used to take Paxil (I was once at 40mg), and I withdrew from it easily.

Now, as for Effexor, that's another story!

> Y'know, this lawsuit would have a much better chance if they didn't keep referring to Paxil withdrawl in terms of "addiction." Paxil is not addictive. It does not produce a craving for more Paxil. It does not cause people to seek out the drug despite negative consequences. It doesn't produce a tolerence. It just has a withdrawl syndrome. While most addictive drugs have withrawl symptoms, simply having withdrawl symptoms does not make a drug addictive.
>
> This suit's merits would be much stronger if it focussed on the possibility that SKB failed to accurately report negative side effects when they became aware of them. By talking about Paxil like it was Morphine, they are undermining their own case.

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California

Posted by lrc on May 25, 2001, at 18:58:39

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California blackjack, posted by Diane J. on May 25, 2001, at 18:33:51

> I wholeheartedly agree with you, blackjack. I used to take Paxil (I was once at 40mg), and I withdrew from it easily.
>
> Now, as for Effexor, that's another story!
>
> > Y'know, this lawsuit would have a much better chance if they didn't keep referring to Paxil withdrawl in terms of "addiction." Paxil is not addictive. It does not produce a craving for more Paxil. It does not cause people to seek out the drug despite negative consequences. It doesn't produce a tolerence. It just has a withdrawl syndrome. While most addictive drugs have withrawl symptoms, simply having withdrawl symptoms does not make a drug addictive.
> >
> > This suit's merits would be much stronger if it focussed on the possibility that SKB failed to accurately report negative side effects when they became aware of them. By talking about Paxil like it was Morphine, they are undermining their own case.

I'm just not sure. I'm trying now to get off of Paxil and I have a very strong urge to take more while cutting back. I certainly can't just get off of it like others. The symptoms are too bad.

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California

Posted by blackjack on May 28, 2001, at 16:39:57

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California blackjack, posted by judy1 on May 25, 2001, at 16:36:47

> Oh I'm sure that would NEVER happen, a pharmaceutical co. deliberately creating an addictive drug that would generate more profits- judy (a former employee of Johnson and Johnson)

I'm not saying it would never happen (tho it would involve tremendous liability risks if they did) but that this isn't such a case.

 

Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California

Posted by Daveman on May 28, 2001, at 23:57:58

In reply to Re: Paxil Withdrawal Lawsuit in California , posted by blackjack on May 24, 2001, at 21:55:22

Blackjack- You've hit the nail on the head. I gave the exact same opinion to someone on another board (I'm a lawyer). My understanding is that Peter Breggin is involved in this lawsuit. Anything he touches is likely to be on the hysterical side IMO.

Dave


> Y'know, this lawsuit would have a much better chance if they didn't keep referring to Paxil withdrawl in terms of "addiction." Paxil is not addictive. It does not produce a craving for more Paxil. It does not cause people to seek out the drug despite negative consequences. It doesn't produce a tolerence. It just has a withdrawl syndrome. While most addictive drugs have withrawl symptoms, simply having withdrawl symptoms does not make a drug addictive.
>
> This suit's merits would be much stronger if it focussed on the possibility that SKB failed to accurately report negative side effects when they became aware of them. By talking about Paxil like it was Morphine, they are undermining their own case.


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