Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 47742

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Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by Trish Baker on October 30, 2000, at 1:23:53

I took Anafranil in the past for OCD and it did wonders for me. However, I had a relapse of my OCD after a lot of stress and quit taking it several years ago. Since then, I've tried a multitude of SSRI's, some okay, others bad. I'm currently on Celexa 30mg and Klonopin 1mg. Can one supplement Anafranil with Celexa or is it best just to be on one or the other. If I can supplement, do you usually take a minimum dose of each?

Thanks,

Trish

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by Maniz on October 30, 2000, at 10:58:03

In reply to Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by Trish Baker on October 30, 2000, at 1:23:53

Hi,

Just speculation.

I do not know if Celexa is a serotonin reuptake inhibitor which I think is the class of AD used for OCD.

Adrafinil is a alpha-1 adrenergic agonist (at least this is what I read as an explanation for its effect).

The AD Wellbutrin has noradrenaline reuptake inhibition effect besides serotonin (I am just using my memory,I am sure about NA but not Serotonin).

So if Adrafinil (I wonder what the chem name is) worked for you maybe Wellbutrin makes a better AD for you.

Just a thought, you should check.

I do not understand how a stimulant (like Adrafinil) has a calming effect. Some people report a calming effect from a mild stimulant like DMAE.

Have you ever tried DMAE (dimethylaminoethanol)?. It is a very safe an cheap amino acid available at any vitamin store which has a reported use for many ailments including ADD and OCD.
DMAE is a cholinergic (acetylcholine precursor). DMAE worked for people with low MAO (it seems some forms of depression are related to low MAO).


I also found this about adrenergics here http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/BrainChem.html

The Alfa-1-receptors stimulate the conversion of liver molecules to sugar molecules (glucogenolysis), resulting in more glucose in the blood. Alpha-1 also stimulates the consumption of oxygen (O2) by the cells and stimulates the conversion of fatty acid in blood to energy. All of these alpha-1 items result in more energy for the person. If the alpha-1 receptors are clogged (e.g. by a pesky heavy metal molecule), one would feel fatigued. The following things can clog NA alpha-1 receptors: antagonist drugs, lead, mercury, cadmium, sulfur-toxins, over 70,000 manmade chemicals, and several natural toxins.

Maybe another product than Adrafinil can have similar effects.


> I took Anafranil in the past for OCD and it did wonders for me. However, I had a relapse of my OCD after a lot of stress and quit taking it several years ago. Since then, I've tried a multitude of SSRI's, some okay, others bad. I'm currently on Celexa 30mg and Klonopin 1mg. Can one supplement Anafranil with Celexa or is it best just to be on one or the other. If I can supplement, do you usually take a minimum dose of each?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Trish

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by R.Anne on October 30, 2000, at 20:40:28

In reply to Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by Trish Baker on October 30, 2000, at 1:23:53

> I took Anafranil in the past for OCD and it did wonders for me. However, I had a relapse of my OCD after a lot of stress and quit taking it several years ago. Since then, I've tried a multitude of SSRI's, some okay, others bad. I'm currently on Celexa 30mg and Klonopin 1mg. Can one supplement Anafranil with Celexa or is it best just to be on one or the other. If I can supplement, do you usually take a minimum dose of each?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Trish

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I am on an SSRI (Paxil) and another antidepressant (Effexor XR) and it seems to be okay so far. My doctor approved them, of course. I tried Anafranil for my OCD and it did not work and there were very bad side effects. But if it worked well for you why not go back to it? I would talk it over with your doctor. I know OCD is a BEAR! I say whatever works (as long as it is safe)is okay. You can also look up drug interactions between the 2 drugs at http://www.drkoop.com It's very easy to do there! Good luck.

 

sorry Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by Maniz on October 30, 2000, at 21:01:08

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by R.Anne on October 30, 2000, at 20:40:28

Hi,

I am sorry, I confused anafranil with adrafinil.

I know the difference, but it seems these days I am very interested in adrafinil.

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD? » Trish Baker

Posted by Cam W. on October 31, 2000, at 6:56:22

In reply to Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by Trish Baker on October 30, 2000, at 1:23:53

Trish - Anafranil™ (clomipramine) is a TCA with very strong serotonin reuptake (SR) blocking activity relative to it's norepinephrine reuptake (NR) activity. In fact clomipramine is almost a SSRI, except it does have some extra side effects (eg cardiotoxic properties, dry mouth, drowsiness, etc) that SSRIs lack, due to binding to alpha-1 adrenergic an cholinergic/muscarinic receptors (albeit less so than many other TCAs).

Clomipramine is similar to Paxil in binding affinities to SR and NR. Serotonergic antidepressants seem to work well in cases of OCD (as well as panic, social phobia, & PTSD). The problem with SRI drugs in OCD is that they can take a long time to work (eg 26 weeks to see a 50% reduction in obsessions and/or compulsions). Most people give up way too soon (actually, a couple of tears ago, I would probably have said to abandon a drug that seemed marginally work for OCD symptoms, but I have seen more than one person have these delayed results.

In theory Celexa™ (citalopram) should work for OCD, but before combining it with Anafranil, maybe ask your doc about increasing the Celexa dose, first. Ask your doc what he/she feels more comfortable doing.

Relapse of OCD symptoms after stress is common. Perhaps some sort of psychotherapy to deal with the added stress can help the Celexa work better. Again, ask your doc.

Hope this helps - Cam

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by Judy on October 31, 2000, at 8:50:45

In reply to Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by Trish Baker on October 30, 2000, at 1:23:53

Trish - if any drug is 'better than' another, it's because it works better for you. I've also found that a drug that worked well at one time, might not provide any benefit at all if you take it months or years later.

My daughter has debilitating OCD and was first prescribed Anafranil, which is supposedly the 'industry standard' for OCD. It did nothing but make her sleep and gain weight. After some futile trials on SSRI's she was given Zoloft and she is thriving on it.

No advice here really except to say don't ever rule anything out because you never know what might work for you. If your doctor has approved supplementing Anafranil with Celexa - give it a shot. Good luck.

Judy

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by Trish Baker on June 3, 2001, at 15:42:28

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by R.Anne on October 30, 2000, at 20:40:28

> >

Hi again, I started back on Anafranil; 25mg first week, now up to 50mg last 4 days; and still taking 20 mg. of Celexa and 1 mg of Klonopin. It's odd though, it seems my OCD or anxiety is quite a bit worse. I remember someone telling me one time that it can get worse at first until the meds start kicking in. In fact, they said this might be a good sign that it would work or me. My Dr. said I could go off the Celexa after being on Anafranil 50mg two weeks but I'm afraid to as I then won't know which is doing what. Has anyone experienced this, Anafranil making them feel worse at first, then possibly better later? Please respond, I'm feeling kinda hopeless!

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD? » Trish Baker

Posted by Cam W. on June 3, 2001, at 15:58:18

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by Trish Baker on June 3, 2001, at 15:42:28

Trish - You should be able to go off the Celexa after two weeks. Much of the increase in OCD symptoms should have begun to resolve by then. In my opinion, I have seen better results with Anaranil™ (clomipramine) than Celexa™ (citalopram) in OCD, so far. I have also seen some people respond to Celexa, but usually with a number of other meds (usually for comorbid disorders like depression, anxiety, or psychotic features with the OCD).

There is still room to raise the Anafranil, but the symptoms of OCD can be stubborn and take a long time to resolve significantly. I have seen if take 3 to 6 months to get good results from Anafranil, but I believe that it can take that long with SSRIs, as well.

Hang in there and keep us posted on your progress. Good luck - Cam

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by medeena k on June 4, 2001, at 23:17:37

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by Trish Baker on June 3, 2001, at 15:42:28

> > >
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> Hi again, I started back on Anafranil; 25mg first week, now up to 50mg last 4 days; and still taking 20 mg. of Celexa and 1 mg of Klonopin. It's odd though, it seems my OCD or anxiety is quite a bit worse. I remember someone telling me one time that it can get worse at first until the meds start kicking in. In fact, they said this might be a good sign that it would work or me. My Dr. said I could go off the Celexa after being on Anafranil 50mg two weeks but I'm afraid to as I then won't know which is doing what. Has anyone experienced this, Anafranil making them feel worse at first, then possibly better later? Please respond, I'm feeling kinda hopeless!

hello,

i have a bad case of OCD myself. was taking anafranil for a long time. at first, it seemed to help me a lot, but as time wore on, it wasn't quite doin' the trick. as i upped the dosage, strangly, it got worse. then i switched to paxil, which did not help too much for the OCD, so again, i had to stop that. am now taking effexor, 37.5mg to start.
hopefully, this will help.

 

Cam or someone......I feel worse!

Posted by Trish Baker on June 15, 2001, at 19:28:04

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by Trish Baker on June 3, 2001, at 15:42:28

> > >
>
> Hi again, three weeks later and I feel worse than I did on Celexa........I'm on 50 mg for the past three weeks and just upped it to 75mg today. I know it takes time but could part of this feeling worse be related to Celexa withdrawl??? It's been 2 and 1/2 weeks since I took it. Just need some encouragement.

 

Re: Cam or someone......I feel worse! » Trish Baker

Posted by Cam W. on June 15, 2001, at 23:36:44

In reply to Cam or someone......I feel worse!, posted by Trish Baker on June 15, 2001, at 19:28:04

Trish - I would suspect that the symptoms are more related to the start-up side effects of the Anafranil, than to withdrawl effects of Celexa. You shouldn't be having the serotonin withdrawl effects because you are getting serotonin reuptake receptor inhibition with the Anafranil, which is what Celexa does, as well.

The start-up side effects of Anafranil are similar to the SSRIs (like Celexa), but there are also a few more because of some blockade other receptors (alpha -adrenergic, mucarinic/cholinergic, etc). Every time you increase the dose, you may get some more of these start-up side effects. It is after being on a stable dose of Anafranil for 2 or 3 weeks, that these side effects go away.

You do have to build the dose of Anafranil slowly, though, because your body does need to get use to the effects (and side effects) of the drug, slowly. If you started at the target dose of Anafranil (sometimes up to 300mg daily, but usually between 150mg and 200mg) the start-up side effects would be much, much worse than what you are experiencing now.

So, sit back and try to relax, and realize that these symptoms will eventually go away, once you've reached the dosing level that your doc wants you to. Easy to say, but not easy to live with. You've come this far, so try and stick it out for a few more weeks. Be sure to tell your doc about the side effects; I am sure he/she will say that they are normal at the start of treatment with Anafranil.

I hope that this is of some help. - Cam

 

Re: Cam or someone......I feel worse! » Trish Baker

Posted by SalArmy4me on June 16, 2001, at 9:57:55

In reply to Cam or someone......I feel worse!, posted by Trish Baker on June 15, 2001, at 19:28:04

If the anticholinergic side-effects get too bad (dry mouth, urinary retention, profuse sweating), you could always have your doctor prescribe Urecholine, a cholinergic medication with no side-effects.

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by Trish Baker on June 29, 2001, at 4:18:44

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD? » Trish Baker, posted by Cam W. on October 31, 2000, at 6:56:22

First, thanks everyone for posting so promptly and supporting this transition I'm going through. It's been about a month (?) I've been on Anafranil and it still doesn't seem to be working as well as Celexa which was inadequate in itself, but I'm hanging in there hoping in the long run it will work as it once did and I can be in remission again. I still feel 'antsy' at 75mg which I have been on for a week and a half but am sleeping really well. It's strange but I use to go up to 150mg with ease and none of these side effects, maybe it was just youth. Celexa did make me feel somewhat 'manic' and I would get things done in one day that most people wouldn't in a week, which I realize now was unhealthy. Now I'm more satisfied with staying in bed late and going to bed early. Or maybe that's depression. Is Anafranil as good for depression as the SSRI's? Oh well, just venting, my husband can't keep up with my symptoms and I know you guys will understand. Post if you'd like, I would sure appreciate it! Thanks, Trish

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by bones on September 27, 2001, at 20:06:50

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by Trish Baker on June 29, 2001, at 4:18:44

Hi Trish: I haven't visited Psycobabble for over a year now. My OCD has flared up again and prompted my visit.

I was reading through search messages for OCD and came across your "thread".

Thought I would say Hi, and ask how you are doing now. Did you stay with the Anafranil (Clomipramine)?? I hope you are feeling some cessation of your symptoms. I know how you suffer.

My OCD started up again after a very stressful few months; I had just enrolled at school full-time and was knocked over the head with OCD symptoms again. I decided to leave. Nursing is a stressful occupation; stress exacerbates my OCD ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that perhaps this is not a wise direction to go in.

As soon as I became symptomatic I started up with anafranil. It made my symptoms much worse!! So after 10 days I thought, the hell with this ... and came off it. I had managed to get up to 75 mg. in 10 days. Now I'm wondering if I made the right move. Anafranil has worked really well for me in the past. (That's why I'm hoping it eventually kicked in for you.) It almost acted like a wall between my obsessive thoughts and my brain. I felt protected. What a wonderful feeling, to be free of harassment.

What do you think about OCD ... I still have difficulty believing that there's a physiological cause. No matter what all of the medical research claims. Funny isn't it. I've had it since I was 15 years old, and have worked very hard with my own behavioural techniques to find relief. I must say ... with a lot of success. Whenever I go through a new "bout" I feel hopeless again. Like the symptoms will never cease.

I find it very difficult writing in this box, because I can never review my writing.

Anyway ... I am babbling. My husband wants to come on his computer.

I felt for you after reading your message, and thought I would say hello.

Let me know how you are doing now!

Take care.


 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by Trish Baker on September 27, 2001, at 20:56:08

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by bones on September 27, 2001, at 20:06:50

- > Hi Trish: I haven't visited Psycobabble for over a year now. My OCD has flared up again and prompted my visit.
>
> I was reading through search messages for OCD and came across your "thread".
>
> Thought I would say Hi, and ask how you are doing now. Did you stay with the Anafranil (Clomipramine)?? I hope you are feeling some cessation of your symptoms. I know how you suffer.
>
> My OCD started up again after a very stressful few months; I had just enrolled at school full-time and was knocked over the head with OCD symptoms again. I decided to leave. Nursing is a stressful occupation; stress exacerbates my OCD ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that perhaps this is not a wise direction to go in.
>
> As soon as I became symptomatic I started up with anafranil. It made my symptoms much worse!! So after 10 days I thought, the hell with this ... and came off it. I had managed to get up to 75 mg. in 10 days. Now I'm wondering if I made the right move. Anafranil has worked really well for me in the past. (That's why I'm hoping it eventually kicked in for you.) It almost acted like a wall between my obsessive thoughts and my brain. I felt protected. What a wonderful feeling, to be free of harassment.
>
> What do you think about OCD ... I still have difficulty believing that there's a physiological cause. No matter what all of the medical research claims. Funny isn't it. I've had it since I was 15 years old, and have worked very hard with my own behavioural techniques to find relief. I must say ... with a lot of success. Whenever I go through a new "bout" I feel hopeless again. Like the symptoms will never cease.
>
> I find it very difficult writing in this box, because I can never review my writing.
>
> Anyway ... I am babbling. My husband wants to come on his computer.
>
> I felt for you after reading your message, and thought I would say hello.
>
> Let me know how you are doing now!
>
> Take care.

Hi, I"m glad you posted. I am feeling quite a bit of relief but have to go really slow with upping my dosage. I felt quite a bit worse every time I upped the dose and had to give it a month or so before my body adjusted and I felt better. It is definately the med for me but I can't stand the side effect I have of weight gain as I am obsessive about my weight as well. I, like you, felt unsure that this disease was physiologically rooted until my niece began having symptoms last year. I pray hers does not develop into full blown OCD. I do however strongly believe that our environment while growing up can make or break the way we learn to handle this disease. Stress is the trigger for me as well. If I get sick, if I watch to much news on T.V. (especially now), if I start a new job, and the latest, getting married and having a baby. I'm looking into hormone therapy now as I am in the perimenopause stage and it is really exacerbating my symptoms. Prayer and working on my faith is also really important. But hang in there, if it worked great before, it will again. Going to 75mg in 10 days is too fast in my opinion. I would wait a good two or three weeks at least before upping it 25mg. I need to make the jump to 125 but am putting it off for awhile, dreading the initial increase in symptoms. I'm sure you probably know to watch your sugar and caffiene intake. Diet really affects my symptoms sa well. Let me know how you're doing.

Trish
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Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD? » bones

Posted by SalArmy4me on September 28, 2001, at 0:59:36

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by bones on September 27, 2001, at 20:06:50

Have you tried any SSRI's? There's no evidence suggesting that clomipramine is any better than the SSRI's for OCD.

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD? » SalArmy4me

Posted by SLS on September 28, 2001, at 11:08:01

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD? » bones, posted by SalArmy4me on September 28, 2001, at 0:59:36

> Have you tried any SSRI's? There's no evidence suggesting that clomipramine is any better than the SSRI's for OCD.

Hi Sal.

Anafranil (clomipramine) is considered by many clinicians to be the "big gun" for OCD. It has more side effects than the SSRIs, but it should never be forgotten when treating difficult cases. MAOIs also have utility in treating OCD.


- Scott

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by bones on September 29, 2001, at 7:49:34

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by Trish Baker on September 27, 2001, at 20:56:08

Hi Trish: I'm glad that the Anafranil is working for you. I know weight gain is difficult to deal with; but think of the alternative! Amazing enough - weight gain wasn't a side effect with me when on Anafranil. But typically what I would do would be to go on a high dose and come down to a much lower dose after symptoms had subsided. Perhaps not a good thing to do, but it seemed to work for me.

I was reading through the other messages from Mich and Scott. (Thanks guys!) Anafranil has always worked well for me in the past, and I did try other SSRI's - but at very small doseages. I found my tolerance of SSRI's even less than the tricyclic's - perhaps because I was expecting no side effects. Whenever I even upped to 20 mg. of Prozac, I felt like I was hit over the head with a plank! Anafranil does wipe you out at the beginning - but the side effects cease - even that wonderful dry mouth.

I'm still off of medication - waiting until next week when I revist my Doctor. I know all of the alternatives - have been on most of them. I suppose I'm somewhat "non-compliant" as I go on and come off - go on and come off.

On Wednesday night I took a Tyleonol 3 plus a regular tylenol. Codeine really does have an amazing effect on this illness - I've felt great for the last couple of days. Sleeping well - feeling "normal". (That's a good feeling!!) Not in a habit of doing this - who wants to become addicted to narcotics.

Anyway - I'm babbling (on "babble") again!!

Glad you're feeling better. Do you go to any behaviour therapy group?? When my symptoms reared their ugly head again, I immediately phoned the closest "center" in the city (Toronto). I registerd with it about a year and a half ago. Massive amounts of questions/inteviewing. (Specimen "A".) They advised (as they did last time), that there would be a waiting time of 6 months. Ususally in 6 months I'm feeling better and am kind of reluctant to resurrect symptoms again. I suppose I should.

My faith is a bit of a troublesome area with my OCD. (Actually right now I suppose, I'm a little bit mad at God.) It helps and hinders my progress. Nothing to do with God in his/her goodness - more to do with deep rooted superstitions/fears that my OCD exacerbates. The Doctor I visited suggested I get counselling at my church; probably a good idea. Focus on God's love - meditate and bathe in it.

Take care Trish. Tell me a little about yourself. You mention experiencing symptoms at a young age. Was your childhood - stable - relatively happy. Mine was.

 

Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?

Posted by Trish Baker on September 29, 2001, at 19:22:09

In reply to Re: Cam or anyone, Anafranil better for OCD?, posted by bones on September 29, 2001, at 7:49:34

> Hi Trish: I'm glad that the Anafranil is working for you. I know weight gain is difficult to deal with; but think of the alternative! Amazing enough - weight gain wasn't a side effect with me when on Anafranil. But typically what I would do would be to go on a high dose and come down to a much lower dose after symptoms had subsided. Perhaps not a good thing to do, but it seemed to work for me.
>
> I was reading through the other messages from Mich and Scott. (Thanks guys!) Anafranil has always worked well for me in the past, and I did try other SSRI's - but at very small doseages. I found my tolerance of SSRI's even less than the tricyclic's - perhaps because I was expecting no side effects. Whenever I even upped to 20 mg. of Prozac, I felt like I was hit over the head with a plank! Anafranil does wipe you out at the beginning - but the side effects cease - even that wonderful dry mouth.
>
> I'm still off of medication - waiting until next week when I revist my Doctor. I know all of the alternatives - have been on most of them. I suppose I'm somewhat "non-compliant" as I go on and come off - go on and come off.
>
> On Wednesday night I took a Tyleonol 3 plus a regular tylenol. Codeine really does have an amazing effect on this illness - I've felt great for the last couple of days. Sleeping well - feeling "normal". (That's a good feeling!!) Not in a habit of doing this - who wants to become addicted to narcotics.
>
> Anyway - I'm babbling (on "babble") again!!
>
> Glad you're feeling better. Do you go to any behaviour therapy group?? When my symptoms reared their ugly head again, I immediately phoned the closest "center" in the city (Toronto). I registerd with it about a year and a half ago. Massive amounts of questions/inteviewing. (Specimen "A".) They advised (as they did last time), that there would be a waiting time of 6 months. Ususally in 6 months I'm feeling better and am kind of reluctant to resurrect symptoms again. I suppose I should.
>
> My faith is a bit of a troublesome area with my OCD. (Actually right now I suppose, I'm a little bit mad at God.) It helps and hinders my progress. Nothing to do with God in his/her goodness - more to do with deep rooted superstitions/fears that my OCD exacerbates. The Doctor I visited suggested I get counselling at my church; probably a good idea. Focus on God's love - meditate and bathe in it.
>
> Take care Trish. Tell me a little about yourself. You mention experiencing symptoms at a young age. Was your childhood - stable - relatively happy. Mine was.

Hi, thanks for posting. It's always comforting to know we're not alone. My symptoms are better but not good enough. Possibly I need to go higher on my dosage and deal with the weight gain and then taper off some. What dosage do you go up to in order to feel good and how long do you stay on it?

My childhood was not as bad as some others but there was some various types of abuse there. My symptoms started when I was 5 with cleanliness. My parents probably thought it was great! But I would go years without a bad bout of OCD and wham, a major stressor would set it off like my parents divorce, moving away from home after college, marriage, baby, etc. I self medicated many years with alcohol and I guess you could say that was my obsession for many years. Now I'm trying to stay sober but it gets difficult when my symptoms get bad. But, on the flip side, having an active 21 month old doesn't give you too much time to obsess about negative things. I really believe that someone's negative experiences in childhood can certainly exacerbate OCD symptoms but I strongly believe it is heredity or some other form of brain chemical imbalance. I don't know of any behavior therapy groups around here for OCD but I would certainly like to find one. I live in a pretty small town. It sounds like it has helped you in the past quite a bit. I hope you are able to get into the group soon so that when you do start your meds, it will help until they kick in. Well, time for some alone time for 'MOM'. I hope to hear from you guys again. Trish


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